1998/01/13 15:16
kundalini-l-d Digest V98 #39
kundalini-l-d Digest Volume 98 : Issue 39
Today's Topics:
Re: Clarification on Some Fundamenta [ Gloria Greco <lodpressATnospamintercomm.co ]
Re: Kundalini as incidental (was RE: [ Gloria Greco <lodpressATnospamintercomm.co ]
Re: HRTZEN: Re: WAS Energies/Detachm [ Gloria Greco <lodpressATnospamintercomm.co ]
HERE (poem) [ Ann Morrison Fisher <annfisherATnospamstic ]
Re: plain English, for plain people? [ Gloria Greco <lodpressATnospamintercomm.co ]
To Recreate Eden (was genuine or del [ Ann Morrison Fisher <annfisherATnospamstic ]
Re: HRTZEN: Re: WAS Energies/Detachm [ Gloria Greco <lodpressATnospamintercomm.co ]
Re: WAS Energies/Detachment IS?? [ Gloria Greco <lodpressATnospamintercomm.co ]
Re: WAS Energies/Detachment IS?? [ David Bozzi <david.bozziATnospamsnet.net> ]
Re: plain English, for plain people? [ Solar Lion <gtaATnospamcwnet.com> ]
Re: Clarification on Some Fundamenta [ Gloria Greco <lodpressATnospamintercomm.co ]
Date: Tue, 13 Jan 1998 11:41:21 +0100
From: Gloria Greco <lodpressATnospamintercomm.com>
To: anandajyoti <anandajyotiATnospamgeocities.com>
CC: "heartzenATnospamlistserv.servtech.com" <heartzenATnospamlistserv.servtech.com>,
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Subject: Re: Clarification on Some Fundamentals Invited
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anandajyoti wrote:
>
> Two, also through the ego, emotions, and the spirit.
> Can all type of feelings touch the heart?
> Or do all feelings generate or emerge from our ego?
> How would one diffrentiate its source as to where the feelings are
> emerging from?
> Any comments or suggestions are welcome on the list, as there are many
> on the list who are so well versed on it.
>
> Anandajyoti
> http://www.geocities.com/Athens/Forum/6782
Gloria here;
There is a great difference between the frequency that rises from the
heart and that of the solar plexus. The really great way to identify it
is that from the solar plexus what comes is focused on I, me, mine, it
naturally thinks and communicates on this frequency so whatever comes
through as feelings are charged with deep belief, deep feeling and
feelings of being right and needing and wanting to control. There is
also the need and want to achieve success in the world because this is
all that is known.
The heart is different in that once entering into the light of truth,
and the knowing that everything in the world is appearance instead of
fact, it all of a sudden takes on really new meaning to the soul. Now,
what is experienced is soul memory, soul learning, soul knowing, and
because of this it is no longer that ego control feeling of I, rather
now it is the I of understanding and surrender. Once the soul stirrs in
the heart, he/she naturally witnesses his own coming and goings into the
body. This changes everything, because it use to identify with the body,
only now it identifies with soul/spirit and can quite sincerely say, I
am more then a body, I am more then anything that I ever thought or
believed, I am That in which I Am.
Once one becomes centered in the heart and kundalini is active, it is an
automatic flow to go there, why? Because it is the center of light and
knowing, to enter into the soul knowing and memories of how life
manifests is what the soul hungers for. It is no longer the desire to
gain knowledge of the world, rather there is a deep instinctive need to
know God. And the God of love lives in the heart. Feelings of bliss and
rapture arise from this knowing, also security, surrender, relief, and
great peace enters into the soul/spirit body life. And, from this point
on the basic truth has been revealed, what comes next requires
purification, grace, and more of the same total surrender, trust and
love for God above all else.
--
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Gloria Joy Greco
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Date: Tue, 13 Jan 1998 12:10:57 +0100
From: Gloria Greco <lodpressATnospamintercomm.com>
To: anandajyoti <anandajyotiATnospamgeocities.com>
CC: "heartzenATnospamlistserv.servtech.com" <heartzenATnospamlistserv.servtech.com>,
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Subject: Re: Kundalini as incidental (was RE: Genius)
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Gloria: You put this beautifully and it is so correct, it is natural to
move into the heart once we begin to really connect up to those
spiritual memories floating about inside.
I do believe that my focus spiritually was so stong, which was
something I came in with because it certainly wasn't the norm in the
town I grew up in.
When there is a draw spiritually it is almost a given that some things
are going to transpire, at least this is my experience. And, the
awakening in the heart came first, which was eye to eye with Christ and
then full blown kundalini shortly after which manifested with the third
eye touch from a master in a vision just days after the first
awakening. However, I had been having kundalini for many years as a
child I just didn't know what it was.
> > Anandajyoti writes;
>
> Kundalini, in my experience is the energy present in each one of us, and it operates
> throughout our life time, primarily in base chakra, the sex chakra, and the solar plexus.
> Without its activation in the three chakras, we would not have fear of existence, no sexual
> impulses for the propagation of the species, and no power to dominate others. On the other
> hand through awareness, intelligence and understanding , all humans are capable to turn the
> effects of fear into courage, lust into real love, and power of domination to compassion
> for all and creative expressions.. When this awareness is put in practice, consciously,
> through our thoughts , speech and action, the Kundalini opens up the heart chakra, even
> for a limited period of time., varying in its intensity and expression. This awareness is
> the real baptism, which we all must go through, if we so aspire, according to our
> individual needs and inclinations. There are many pictures of Christ, with an open heart.
> This is what it means to me. Others may differ with my opinion.
>
> Those who have the desire to further the effects of this energy in the heart, throat, third
> eye or the crown chakras, can do it through their own aspirations.
> On the other hand many millions, get the Kundalini Energy activated at chakras higher than
> the solar plexus, at different times in their life time. Many become aware of it, many
> allude this movement to something physical. Why the Kundalini does become active in chakras
> higher than the solar plexus, on its own, no one can surely pinpoint. But is does happen ,
> which is the experience of many. How or why still remains an enigma.
> Some say, philosophically, that it is Karma, it is the result of our evolution,
> yet others may say they are born with it, some say because the Holy Spirit wanted it to be
> so, or pure grace.. All of these intellectual or philosophic answers are possible, due to
> individual perceptions.
> It is only when one experiences this flow of the energy through some practice, either
> meditation, or yogic postures, breathing exercises, contemplation, prayer, whatever may be
> the method employed, then surely one can experience the movement in the higher chakras.
> The effects of the energy acting on the higher chakras may last from few minutes to hours,
> days, weeks or even months.
> But as we are all still in the body, the energy, comes down again to the base, for the
> maintenance of the body. Many may already be aware that Kundalini also produces a lot of
> internal heat. All bodies, in the physical, may not be tuned enough to sustain the effects
> of this heat. This is also a possibility.
>
> The practices if done regularly helps us in enhancing our awareness, of the movement of
> this energy.
> Most people are not able to force the energy to remain at the higher chakras, and this
> energy sort of has a volition of its own.
> It could be possible, that if the individual volition and the volition of the Kundalini
> merged together, and acted as one, then the scenario changes completely. This is when it
> can be said, that one experiences the Oneness.
>
> This experience may be short-lived or may remain for a period of time.
> But the experience itself remains embedded in our memory, which is retrievable at will,
> through contemplation or meditation, till another Kundalini generated upsurge occurs.
> It is like having a very tasty cheesecake , really experiencing it while eating it, and at
> other times having the taste of it from memory. The memory of it does not give us the
> thrill of the actual experience, though. ruminating it is possible.
> This brings another definition for meditation, ot is remembrance of the experience.
>
> So I would infer that Kundalini is one medium for Nirvikalpa Samadhi, the awareness of
> Nirvikalpa Samadhi may not be contingent on the Kundalini, but Kundalini does have the
> movement towards the crown chakra for Nirvikalpa Samadhi. So I cannot agree that Kundalini
> is coincidental. My answer would be, we don't know yet.
>
> The bottom line, to me that while still in the body, how do we as individuals live our
> lives from the understanding or the experience of the Kundalini. Has it been able to
> transform our perspectives, aspirations, our thinking , speaking, and action , how we
> relate to ourselves and others, and what we as individuals have done to alleviate our state
> our consciousness from the physical, emotional, mental to the spiritual? That is a
> question, I think, we all need to ask ourselves!
>
> Anandajyoti
> http://www.geocities.com/Athens/Forum/6782
--
Enter The Silence to Know God ... and... accept life as the teacher.
Gloria Joy Greco
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Date: Tue, 13 Jan 1998 12:21:54 +0100
From: Gloria Greco <lodpressATnospamintercomm.com>
To: anandajyoti <anandajyotiATnospamgeocities.com>
CC: Teresa <TGarlandATnospamVIPMail.com>, Gloria Lee <samyanaATnospamhotmail.com>,
Kundalini-lATnospamexecpc.com, heartzenATnospamlistserv.servtech.com
Subject: Re: HRTZEN: Re: WAS Energies/Detachment IS??
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anandajyoti wrote:
>
> > >
> > > Gloria Greco here again:
> > > A dear friend of mine had Liver Cancer, I didn't know she had it until about three years ago now. ........
> > >..... Barbara I'm going to give you
> > > direct access to my energy, whenever you need help you have my
> > > permission to connect up to me, what you do with this light...holy
> > > spirit power is between you and God. (I don't interfere with soul decisions or manipulate for healing it is totally up to God how that plays down) This can be used for healing if.......
> > >
> > >Barbara lived until three months ago, ....... but that her
> > > body was in pain so they had to give her morphine.
> > >She lived everyday no matter what, and she lived this through detachment.
> > ..........As Barbara detached from the pain, she literally moved into a higher
> > > place in the brain .......
> > >She had to surrender to what was, and in so doing so she was totally lifted out of the place that was really hell for her at the time when we got together. Detachment is what she mastered, ....
>
> Gloria, this reminds me of my dad who passed away in 1984, April 20.
> He was diagnosed of tongue cancer, in New Jersey, at my sister's place, in November 1983. From February 1984 onwards he could not talk as it was very painful. The specialists in New Jersey, wanted to amputate his tongue , which he did not go for. He was spoon fed by my sister and brother-in law, during that time. He was also offered morphine but he refused that too, later on.
> In late January , after speaking to him , I wrote him a letter, and asked him to surrender to God, which I am sure he did, and I also prayed for his remission of painful living, and allowed the Divine to take its own course. and after a week or so he was no more in pain, when he refuse the morphine. and used to sleep peacefully a lot.
> In Mid March 1984, we chatted briefly on the phone, when he told me the visions of Saints he had experienced come to soothe him from time to time.
> Then in mid April, my sister informed, that he has expressed his desire , in writing, that he wished to return back to his room in the house, in Calcutta, where he had made a shrine of his own.
> This was arranged , my brother-in law from Chicago accompanied him for the flight home. On the way he had no trouble at all, no pain, and he wrote down his visions in a scratch pad, which he asked my brother-in law to give to me.
> I still have, in which he had written, that the whole interior of the plane was flooded in soothing light, then a white robed, bearded person , quite tall and slender appeared, to him, and asked him to be at peace with himself, and stroked his head. He was very happy, and alluded that it was Jesus, who came to soothe him.
>
> On arrival, he went to his shrine room, and lay down to rest, after an hour my uncle went to see him, and found that LIFE had gone out of the body.
>
> Now think of it, my dad , born a Hindu, lived a Hindu, died and cremated a Hindu, had the touch of Christ.; He was not baptized or taken the holy sacrament. So, I guess , he was not condemned, as many believe that unless you accept Christ as your saviour, you are condemned eternally in hell.
> To them I would say they are already in hell. I am digressing here. Sorry.
> All this happened, due to his total surrender and detachment as you say. In Sanskrit the word we use is "Saranagatahah" in nearest English it would mean self-abnegation. In our tradition, it means a combination, of trust, surrender, devotion, sincerity, detachment, dependent solely on the will of the Divine, all combined. There the ego has no face anymore, the small ego just steps aside, for the Divine within to emerge.
> I am sure your friend Barbara had similar experience of the Divine Communion, even while in the body. That's ineffable bliss. Is this K? Yes it is.
> So, yes detachment also strengthens through regular practice, what doesn't?
>
> Anandajyoti
>
> http://www.geocities.com/Athens/Forum/6782
--
Enter The Silence to Know God ... and... accept life as the teacher.
Gloria Joy Greco
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Date: Tue, 13 Jan 1998 15:22:31 -0600
From: Ann Morrison Fisher <annfisherATnospamstic.net>
To: kundalini-lATnospamlists.execpc.com
Cc: heartzenATnospamlistserv.servtech.com
Subject: HERE (poem)
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Just came across a poem I wrote last summer, when the K. process was moving
into high gear:
HERE
After all the years,
the twisting in the gut,
the chest's tight pain,
the sobbing in dreams,
finally healing.
After the grief,
now that the anger
no longer burns
in the belly's fire,
finally memory.
Now I remember
the love of our youth,
not perfect, not pure,
a glory worth holding.
Finally peace.
After the fire,
the long initiation
of belly and heart,
the spirit stands clear,
finally here.
Ann Morrison Fisher
June 1997
Date: Tue, 13 Jan 1998 11:49:56 +0100
From: Gloria Greco <lodpressATnospamintercomm.com>
To: mart <martATnospamidsc.gov.eg>
CC: "kundalini-lATnospamlists.execpc.com" <kundalini-lATnospamlists.execpc.com>
Subject: Re: plain English, for plain people?
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mart wrote:
>
> Without ruffling anyone's feathers, is it possible to ask for some of
> the explanations to be in plain English? All the Hindu(?) terms are
> making it impossible for me to read with comprehesion (so I just skip
> them) so many postings. I have heard some of the terms before, but
> without major research into the meanings of most of the terms, I am
> lost.
> any postings as well.
>
> I just want to understand as much as I can about what is transpiring and
> what I can do/be to 'go with the flow'...
>
HI Fran,
I try to speak without the eastern words as much as possible, sometimes
it is difficult. At any rate put your antennas up and just stay with it,
what you need will come through. We have several people from the east on
the list, so for them these words are like us using our expressions. We
are a global village now aren't we? Gloria
>
--
Enter The Silence to Know God ... and... accept life as the teacher.
Gloria Joy Greco
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Date: Tue, 13 Jan 1998 15:36:42 -0600
From: Ann Morrison Fisher <annfisherATnospamstic.net>
To: kundalini-lATnospamlists.execpc.com
Subject: To Recreate Eden (was genuine or delusional)
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Mystress Angelique Serpent <mistressATnospamdomin8rex.com> wrote:
> Goddess moves in mysterious ways...
> The mass consciousness shift required for planetary healing....
> Kundalini has been called the most powerful
>force in the Universe. Pollution has not.
>We will recreate Eden, with the
>limitless power of our Love.
> Believe it.
An important image to spread as widely as possible, to counteract all those
images of decay and the end of the earth!
Date: Tue, 13 Jan 1998 12:38:23 +0100
From: Gloria Greco <lodpressATnospamintercomm.com>
To: anandajyoti <anandajyotiATnospamgeocities.com>
CC: Teresa <TGarlandATnospamVIPMail.com>, Gloria Lee <samyanaATnospamHOTMAIL.COM>,
Kundalini-lATnospamexecpc.com, heartzenATnospamlistserv.servtech.com
Subject: Re: HRTZEN: Re: WAS Energies/Detachment IS??
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anandajyoti wrote:
>
> All this happened, due to his total surrender and detachment as you say. In Sanskrit the word we use is "Saranagatahah" in nearest English it would mean self-abnegation. In our tradition, it means a combination, of trust, surrender, devotion, sincerity, detachment, dependent solely on the will of the Divine, all combined. There the ego has no face anymore, the small ego just steps aside, for the Divine within to emerge.
> I am sure your friend Barbara had similar experience of the Divine Communion, even while in the body. That's ineffable bliss. Is this K? Yes it is.
> So, yes detachment also strengthens through regular practice, what doesn't?
Gloria:
What a perfect word for it, how in the world does that sound...just like
it looks. Anyway, it is a combination of trust, surrender, devotion,
sincerity, detachment and totally depending on the will of God, that is
the word that I am always talking about, even more then detachment...all
of the other attributes must be present to really let go.
And, Barbara told me those last couple years were the best in her whole
life, in fact she said that at first she always felt sorry for
herself,(she lived with the cancer for over 12 years) she was only 55.
But after getting back to her spiritual focus and awareness she realized
that she was blessed because nobody knew how long they had to live, but
she knew that her time had been shortened and because of this, it set
her priorities so that she knew she had to put God first, and she did.
She said she knew herself, she would never had focused on God in this
way, if it didn't happen as it did. Because she was to busy teaching
school, and doing the things she wanted to do. But the way it happened
was so special she wouldn't change it for anything in the world, because
she finally understood what life was about at the end. And she wanted to
tell everyone but somehow couldn't find the words.
The really funny part, Carol another dear friend of all of ours in the
group had been here visiting from California. Anyway, Carol had got
involved in Reiki and while visiting Barbara she told Barbara she was
focusing on her for a healing. Barbara said, Gee Carol, I really
appreciate your efforts but I have to tell you I'm way past that, I no
longer focus on God letting me stay here, instead I only focus on divine
will, I don't want to stay a moment longer then his/her will has for me.
She meant it with every fiber of her being.
Carol told me as we left that Barb had a problem... that she wasn't
open. I said, Carol, I don't think you understand what she is saying,
she is ready for whatever happens, if she has longer it is beautiful,
but if she doesn't that is wonderful because she is excited about moving
on. Carol said, Yeah, I guess.
Here is the jest, Carol died within two weeks of this meeting. And
Carol wasn't prepared, she was staying with me and had a massive stroke
to the brain. Barbara was here for her funeral. So, you see life is just
that movement, we have to go with it and live every precious moment in
the dance but always prepared to step over to the other side to
continue. I love it.
>
> http://www.geocities.com/Athens/Forum/6782
--
Enter The Silence to Know God ... and... accept life as the teacher.
Gloria Joy Greco
e-mail me at : lodpressATnospamintercomm.com and visit our homepages at:
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&
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Date: Tue, 13 Jan 1998 12:53:55 +0100
From: Gloria Greco <lodpressATnospamintercomm.com>
To: Teresa <TGarlandATnospamVIPMail.com>
CC: Gloria Lee <samyanaATnospamHOTMAIL.COM>, Kundalini-lATnospamexecpc.com,
heartzenATnospamlistserv.servtech.com
Subject: Re: WAS Energies/Detachment IS??
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Teresa wrote:
>
> That was beautiful, Gloria, thank you. I had a dream last night that I was trying to connect with "HeartZen". Finally, I did. I awoke, my body tingling with Pranic energy. I woke this morning to find your message.
>
> What you write is what I need to do.
> Teresa
HI Teresa,
I can put you on the list if you want to join in, just let me know. And
yes we did connect didn't we. Did you see the post from anandajyoti, he
told me of the word used for what I described with Barbara in eastern
terms which combines several aspects of the true letting go. It is quite
beautiful. I will have to write it down so that I can remember it.
Anyway, detachment by itself is misleading it sounds like you are
losing connection to the true beauty of life. When in fact, you enter it
on a higher level so that you become directly centered into that
unconditional love which only comes from God through the Holy Spirit.
If detachment was not caring, or becoming hard it would be totally
different, instead it is a very deep knowing or understanding that
allows you to operate in a distinct vibration of a high frequency. I
actually see Divine Will as a pure stream of energy that one must rise
to, this energy lifts and carries all of lifes problems when you enter
into it. A dear friend, Viki on the list, (Viki will you enter into the
conversation)... actually saw it when I was talking to her and she
noticed that in order for her to enter into it, she had to let go of her
thoughts, fear, everything so that she could increase her frequency
enough to surrender to it. Detachment, or the word that Anandajyoti
taught us, is the key to entering into Divine Will.
>
>:
> > >
> >
> >
--
Enter The Silence to Know God ... and... accept life as the teacher.
Gloria Joy Greco
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Date: Tue, 13 Jan 1998 17:08:39 -0500
From: David Bozzi <david.bozziATnospamsnet.net>
To: Kundalini <kundalini-lATnospamexecpc.com>
CC: TGarlandATnospamVIPMail.com
Subject: Re: WAS Energies/Detachment IS??
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Teresa wrote:
> Here is my problem: I have this fear that if I detach from the good stuff,
> it will, like grief, move quickly, and be gone.
I believe when you refer to "good stuff" you are referring to pleasure.
(any kind) And yes, pleasure is just as fleeting as pain. They are
really
both part of a single process.
> Now, if I 'cheat' and don't
> attach from it, it'll hang around just as long as I force it to. This is a
> lie, but there is not much pleasure these days.
I believe you meant to say "detach"?
You are right it is not possible to force just pleasure.
Be thankful for this, otherwise no one would ever awaken.
"Forcing" is just another way to say resistance.
This is not the art of detachment. You already are beginning to see
this.
Now accept where you are with this. Be honest with yourself and see how
this whole game we play with Ourself limits us.
I'd suggest there might be something beyond the pleasure/pain cycle that
would
satisfy you truly. Do not reach for that. It comes of Its' Own accord.
Actually It is already here. The polarity of the pleasure/pain cycle
gains strength when we try to have one without the other and this
creates
a storm. The clouds from this storm block out the Light of that which
you
truly seek.
> I'm not very willing to
> experiment with the happiness to see if it will stay for a while -- like the
> depression does.
Real happiness is different from pleasurable emotions.
> My question is: Will selectively detaching from the lousy, but not the good
> feelings (for a few months) cause me problems later? Will my habits be too
> ingrained ..
You are dealing with the very cause of habit right now.
The storm settles as you let go and allow the winds to go their route.
Then you will feel the warmth of the sun.
> or will there be some karma effect? Is it better to tough out
> the hard situation?
Bend with them. Be flexible.
> That was kind of complicated, I hope it makes sense.
It makes perfect sense.
Date: Tue, 13 Jan 1998 14:07:24 -0800
From: Solar Lion <gtaATnospamcwnet.com>
To: <kundalini-lATnospamlists.execpc.com>
Subject: Re: plain English, for plain people?
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greetings
as r.buckminster fuller once put it
"the words i use have precise meanings - i will not compromise my language
for those that will not learn those meanings"
please note english does not have concepts for a lot of the sanskit words
used in these things.
Solar Lion (Bob)
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Date: Tue, 13 Jan 1998 13:56:42 +0100
From: Gloria Greco <lodpressATnospamintercomm.com>
To: Gloria Lee <samyanaATnospamhotmail.com>
CC: anandajyotiATnospamgeocities.com, Kundalini-lATnospamexecpc.com
Subject: Re: Clarification on Some Fundamentals Invited
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Gloria Lee wrote:
>
>
> >Gloria Lee writes:
> >
> >Such a big question.. look forward to others thoughts, just a small bit
> that came to me to mention tho. it seems important to recall how we
> begin to experience anything...with regard to ego and mind..we know that
> infants are aware of emotional state of the mother even in the
> womb..presumably their ego and "thinking, logical mind" is not so well
> developed yet as to have thoughts about this awareness they
> experience..yet they are "knowing"-and "aware"
> and knowing experiences of sensory input such as sounds like mother's
> voice and the heartbeat, etc..but also somehow experiencing her
> emotional states also and this is not just sensory based, like chemicals
> alone would convey this in some physical manner??
GG:
Gloria I would relate to this deep profound knowing as the still pure
consciousness of union with God. In this state all is known, not just
the little worldly connections we take out with us, but in that pure
state of knowing the soul/spirit is in union with the soul/spirit of
God. There is no ego or mind yet, so like in deep sleep or that
superconscious sleep which we all experience, it is that absolute inner
knowing of God. This is what spirit is here to teach and it is self
remembering. It isn't until we come into the world and really play out
that first 7 years that the mind/ego is really established. So, as
little children, the purity is there and that is what we all return to
in the remembering.
These experiences and
> emotional states are being recorded and stored in the body/mind the
> infant is reacting to and with them.. THIS is all a core memory
> awareness stored in us all..prior to existence of ego awareness..thus
> emotions seem primary somehow to even our very sense of a separate self.
> Why this seems important to me..is hard to express, but I guess I would
> say that it indicates "No, all feelings do not generate or emerge from
> our ego." As a mother who has experienced this oneness feeling will
> know it can be quite heart wrenching to then experience the separation
> of the infant as it grows into separate self. Some say our longing to
> return to oneness is even born of this original infant memory..what do
> you think about that??
>
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