1998/01/13 13:53
kundalini-l-d Digest V98 #37
kundalini-l-d Digest Volume 98 : Issue 37
Today's Topics:
Re: Sex and "K" [ Gloria Greco <lodpressATnospamintercomm.co ]
Re: Kundalini awakened? (was sushumn [ Gloria Greco <lodpressATnospamintercomm.co ]
Re: Kundalini as incidental (was RE: [ Gloria Greco <lodpressATnospamintercomm.co ]
Re: shaktipat, obligations, connecti [ Gloria Greco <lodpressATnospamintercomm.co ]
Re: shaktipat, obligations, connecti [ Gloria Greco <lodpressATnospamintercomm.co ]
Re: WAS Energies/Detachment IS?? [ Gloria Greco <lodpressATnospamintercomm.co ]
Re: WAS Energies/Detachment IS?? [ Gloria Greco <lodpressATnospamintercomm.co ]
Re: genuine or delusional [ Mystress Angelique Serpent <mistres ]
Gradual awakening [ Afperry <AfperryATnospamaol.com> ]
Date: Mon, 12 Jan 1998 19:56:05 +0100
From: Gloria Greco <lodpressATnospamintercomm.com>
To: Danielle R Dumont <jacinthaATnospamjuno.com>
CC: kundalini-lATnospamexecpc.com
Subject: Re: Sex and "K"
Message-ID: <34BA6742.5228ATnospamintercomm.com>
Danielle R Dumont wrote:
>
> Hello Everyone
>
> I know there is a Kundalini that is more helpful in regards to sexual
> questions but I don't feel as though I belong there as of yet, so....
>
> I was wondering if somehow the "K" energy would intentionally place a
> person in
> a position in their life that required abstinence in order for the "K"
> energy to begin
> to manifest itself (or perhaps for a purification?) I find myself in
> this position. I am married but it seems to be a non-sexual union. As
> time goes by my desire decreases and I try and channel any leftover
> sexual energy into other things - like
> yoga, work. etc.
>
> don't get me wrong - I am a sexual being and I miss the closeness that a
> sexual union brings but it just isn't happening here and I am wondering
> if its for a divine reason.
>
> Jacintha
Hi Jacintha,
If you are married and it is happening naturally and isn't a problem
for either you or your husband, then just let it be and flow with it.
Sometimes it just isn't something that is in the flow in which case I
would say there is a very good reason for it, when you live in the
moment and you are working at focusing your life on your spiritual
journey, many things change. It doesn't mean that it won't change again
and you will be back in your normal relationship mode, but if it just
isn't happening, don't worry. Just be and be happy. Gloria
>
>
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Date: Mon, 12 Jan 1998 20:03:56 +0100
From: Gloria Greco <lodpressATnospamintercomm.com>
To: Kurt Keutzer <keutzerATnospameecs.berkeley.edu>
CC: kundalini-lATnospamlists.execpc.com, kundalini-l-dATnospamlists.execpc.com,
heartzenATnospamlistserv.servtech.com
Subject: Re: Kundalini awakened? (was sushumnameter)
Message-ID: <34BA6918.6301ATnospamintercomm.com>
Kurt Keutzer wrote:
>
> Gene Kieffer wrote:
> >
>
> > Nobody has yet come up with an response to my question of a week ago,
> > which is this: "How can one determine whether he/she is self-deluded or
> > has actually experienced a genuine awakening?"
Gloria:
What is the answer you are looking for, you seem to throw out the ones
that are offered, so you tell us?
> >
> Kurt says:
> To answer the question directly - ask someone (e.g. a guru) who is sensitive to the movements of kundalini if one's kundalini
> is awakened. There is the issue of what kind of individual constitutes such an authority and how does one find one but this is
> the only real test that we have today.
>
> I have had trouble catching up with the threads but I believe your intent may be to indicate that this is where a scientific
> basis might help. I agree to some extent but not entirely. There are many people who are walking around today who have had
> their kundalini experience validated and still show no apparent signs of spiritual progress. Why? It is impossible to
> generatlize but it appears that although kundalini is powerful, some still manage to accumulate more obscurations than
> kundalini is able to eliminate.
>
>
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Date: Mon, 12 Jan 1998 19:59:00 +0100
From: Gloria Greco <lodpressATnospamintercomm.com>
To: TGarland <TGarlandATnospamVIPMail.com>
CC: "'Kurt Keutzer'" <keutzerATnospameecs.berkeley.edu>,
"kundalini-lATnospamexecpc.com" <kundalini-lATnospamexecpc.com>
Subject: Re: Kundalini as incidental (was RE: Genius)
Message-ID: <34BA67F0.1212ATnospamintercomm.com>
TGarland wrote:
>
> [TGarland] As a Buddhist practitioner who is struggling with a K awakening. I cannot tell you how valuable I find the discussions between Harsha, you, Gloria, Gloria, Susan and the others who join in. I am on the K list for advice on how to deal with symptoms, but I also need the bigger picture, and that is what the theoretical conversations provide.
>
> I get a good feeling knowing that folks on list list have "lived through" K awakening and are now able to focus on what really matters!
> Teresa
Hi Teresa,
Feel free to jump into the conversation whenever spirit moves you, there
is no right or wrong here, everything has purpose and like a huge
spinning wheel we bring in the jewels that make it shine. Love to you.
Gloria
>
>
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Date: Mon, 12 Jan 1998 21:15:05 +0100
From: Gloria Greco <lodpressATnospamintercomm.com>
To: Kurt Keutzer <keutzerATnospameecs.berkeley.edu>
CC: kundalini-lATnospamlists.execpc.com, kundalini-l-dATnospamlists.execpc.com,
heartzenATnospamlistserv.servtech.com
Subject: Re: shaktipat, obligations, connections
Message-ID: <34BA79C2.4250ATnospamintercomm.com>
Kurt Keutzer wrote:
>
> > Blythe asks:
>
> > Good morning list. I have some questions to lay before all of you. What are
> > the implications of receiving shaktipat from someone? What obligations are
> > accepted by the person receiving shaktipat? Do they differ according to what
> > the giver and the receiver expect?
> > It seems like there might be a difference between the ripple effect of
> > shaktipat received when I read the Mystress's grounding meditation, or when
> > my 'loose cannon' friend touched my forehead during meditation and I was
> > almost knocked off the chair, and a more formal initiation of the sort
> > offered by some Hindu traditions. I am pulled toward accepting such an
> > initiation, but not if it means giving up where I walk in order to walk
> > where someone else feels it is appropriate. I don't hear anyone involved
> > saying this will happen, but I will then be connected to a particular
> > lineage, and I don't know what all that means.
> > With the energy gifts from the Mystress, it means that I can reach out and
> > say 'hello' to her spirit and feel the connection made. With the energy gift
> > from my friend, it means that I have to stay very grounded and guarded when
> > I am near him, or all sorts of out of whack things occur, with no sense of
> > of it being safe.
> >
>
> Kurt replies:
> There are a wide variety of phenomenon that are lumped under the name of shaktipat. Some people refer to an individual (the initiator) merely conveying a little energy or prana to the recipient (the initiate) as shaktipat. At the other extreme some, such as Swami Rama and Pandit Tiruganit (sp?) won't accept anything less than the
> imparting of samadhi. Personally I believe the deepest shaktipat the initiator awakens each cakra in your subtle body.
>
> So I think there are two parts to your question: 1) What is your responsibility to the individual that imparts shaktipat to you. That depends on the teacher and their tradition. In some traditions you should be willing to lay down your life for that teacher. In others you can hardly be expected to recognize each other on the street.
> If you wonder - ask your initiator.
>
> The tougher question is: 2) What connection have you created between yourself and your initiator? I haven't quite figured out this cyber-initation via web site stuff so I can't comment on that. Ordinarily, when the initiation is done personally whether you have simply received some ``energy'' from an initiator or whether they have
> fully altered your subtle body, I believe you have created a strong link between yourself and the initiator. We create these energetic links all the time unconsciously. Ever wonder why ``breaking up is hard to do!''. So depending on the power of the teacher and your openness this link may be stronger or weaker - but it's sure to be
> a link. I wrote a number of different things on shaktipat in my siddha-mahayoga faq that you can find at the kundalini gateway and on spirit web. Check it out and tell me if you think it makes sense.
> Good luck,
> KUrt
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Date: Mon, 12 Jan 1998 20:06:27 +0100
From: Gloria Greco <lodpressATnospamintercomm.com>
To: Meadowart <MeadowartATnospamaol.com>
CC: merlinATnospampnn.com, kundalini-lATnospamexecpc.com
Subject: Re: shaktipat, obligations, connections
Message-ID: <34BA69AF.71FATnospamintercomm.com>
Meadowart wrote:
>
> Given that shaktipat can occur in very spontaneous situations (from a look,
> contact, or even being in the environment of enlightened beings) I don't think
> it's really a relationship of 'obligations and expectations', so much as an
> energetic boost in your spiritual growth. Some people meet a spiritual master
> once and never see them again for their entire lives, yet were transformed
> from the encounter.
Gloria:
Since shaktipat is energy, it can be given through words, even words
over the internet. Just remain open and let God do the work.
>
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Date: Mon, 12 Jan 1998 20:39:27 +0100
From: Gloria Greco <lodpressATnospamintercomm.com>
To: Gloria Lee <samyanaATnospamhotmail.com>
CC: TGarlandATnospamVIPMail.com, Kundalini-lATnospamexecpc.com,
heartzenATnospamlistserv.servtech.com
Subject: Re: WAS Energies/Detachment IS??
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Gloria Greco:
Hi Gloria Lee,
No right or wrong, detachment creates awareness of what is, it is an
instrument used metaphysically to allow spiritual energy into a
situation to transform it. When a person is totally involved in all
things, this is the normal course isn't it? Involvement means
action/reaction, and it is ongoing because one is the action and
emotions and thoughts fire out automatically. Thoughts and emotions in
fact can be so integrated into ones conscious mind that energies in a
room, either positive or negative... can start the energies working off
each other.
In detachment one is no longer the action because he/she has stepped
back to witness it, as the observer, exactly the same as meditation.
When you are learning about who you are...inside, it is necessary to
create awareness of how life manifests. One becomes aware of the subtle
energies at work that are unseen as well as those that are seen, so that
you now have the ability to undo what the ego self has created. This
process of discovery goes on not only in your day hours but at night as
well. In fact, a great deal of the exposure comes through your night
training.
So this involves recognizing the state of different levels of
experience, by becoming the observer, the same as in meditation... you
are suddenly entering the life experience from a higher dimension. You
then have the ability to understand exactly what creates life as we
experience it. Until you actually understand the process, it is
impossible to dissolve the many aspects of the experience that is self
perpetuating.
Detachment is a very important part of the awakening consciousness, it
creates the undoing of the self or the ego which allows the interior
letting go and transformation as kundalini/Holy Spirit energies work
with the evolving soul. The more the soul recognizes the play of
energies, learns to understand and read frequencies and vibrations, the
more that soul has become absorbed into the high frequencies of
Kundalini or Holy Spirit energies. In this ongoing process, one becomes
absorbed by God into union. Can you relate to this now?
Gloria Lee wrote:
>
> >
Is this implying anything is wrong with having
> feelings?? Either good or bad ones?? I do know a bit about grief. And
> detachment would not mean going numb, or not caring, or denying the pain
> of your loss. You say you are feeling the feelings, but - Exactly what
> are you trying to *give up* here, Teresa?? I feel concern for you,
> perhaps the confusion is just mine here.
> My understanding of attachment as a cause of pain and suffering is more
> along the lines of preferring certain outcomes to others..as in desiring
> only pleasant, ego-gratifying experiences, or just getting what we want,
> or possessing people and things to shore up our shaky sense of self.
> Detachment, as a form of surrender, then would be a willingness to let
> "what is" simply be whatever it is..without trying to push it away..a
> kind of acceptance and willingness to experience whatever this reality
> really is..to fully allow it and allow yourself to experience it. That
> is how we try to help with grief, anyway. It sounds like you are meaning
> that by saying you are feeling your feelings.. so what is the problem
> with having a few good ones ?? If you are slowly, but surely moving
> towards acceptance of your loss, what more can be expected?? The good
> feelings may be the sun peeking thru the clouds..isn't that ok?? My
> real concern here is that you seem to be judging yourself for how well
> you are doing..so I may as well just blurt this out... there are no
> grades given out for like Grief 101..and please do not let my questions
> be taken as evaluating if you are doing this right..its pretty much
> whatever helps you is allowed...so give yourself permission. My guess is
> this detachment word is sorta pushing my buttons at the moment.
>
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Date: Mon, 12 Jan 1998 21:32:51 +0100
From: Gloria Greco <lodpressATnospamintercomm.com>
To: Teresa <TGarlandATnospamVIPMail.com>, Gloria Lee <samyanaATnospamhotmail.com>,
Kundalini-lATnospamexecpc.com
CC: heartzenATnospamlistserv.servtech.com
Subject: Re: WAS Energies/Detachment IS??
Message-ID: <34BA7DF3.7513ATnospamintercomm.com>
Gloria Greco wrote:
>
> Gloria Greco here again:
> Let me give you an example of detachment at work. A dear friend of mine
> had Liver Cancer, I didn't know she had it until about three years ago
> now. Anyway, I met her she told me about it and she told me what the
> doctor's had said. She also said I really need to get back together with
> you because I have to deal with this, and I have decided not to have
> traditional treatments, I have already outlived what I could have
> expected from it, so I am not putting myself or family through this.She
> was into the cancer at that point about 9 or ten years, which had amazed
> the doctors even then.
> Can you help me, she said? I had known Barbara from our early meditation
> meetings in the 70's when I had taught her to meditate. She came for
> maybe a year or two and then went back to college, remarried, etc.
> Anyway, I said, lets get together and see what happens. When we talked I
> could see the areas in her life that was causing her stress and pain,
> and on top of this she had a liver that was about 50 or 60% eaten away
> from Cancer, at this time she was having some pretty incredible pain.
> So, we began and it went like this, Barbara I'm going to give you
> direct access to my energy, whenever you need help you have my
> permission to connect up to me, what you do with this light...holy
> spirit power is between you and God. (I don't interfere with soul decisions or manipulate for healing it is totally up to God how that plays down) This can be used for healing if
> that is what is needed, or to help you make your transition, or to
> release you from the pain of the moment if necessary, whatever is
> needed, since your body is struggling now, we will leave it up to God as
> to how this is going to play out, but just think of me and I will be
> with you. I was and she did.
> This is what happened. Within days Barbara had no pain, nothing at all.
> She had started to meditate again, prayed daily, went to mass,
> confession, and literally turned herself over to God as she knew she was
> in preparation for whatever was to be. She had quit praying to be healed
> and now prayed to accept whatever God's Will was for her. She prayed
> that she would have the inner strength to accept and surrender in full
> to whatever was to happen in her life and that each of her children and
> her husband would have the same experience. This way they would not feel
> her being torn out of their lives.
> Barbara lived until three months ago, she literally blew people's
> minds because we went to lunch just days before she died. She was on
> hospice for about the last seven or eight months, if you know about
> hospice they come into medicate and help with the death process. Well in
> Barbara's case since she didn't feel pain they had to convince her that
> her body was in pain, she had wretching that she didn't enjoy a bit but
> she didn't have pain. They said the wretching was because the insides
> were in pain and somehow she had just disconnected from it, but that her
> body was in pain so they had to give her morphine. So she did take the
> morphine in the last months, but as she got use to it, at first it would
> just knock her out...again through detachment, she would wake up, pick
> up the phone, call me and say lets go to lunch, I want to live today.
> And I want a pastrami sandwich.
> This is the way we lived out her last months. Her husband would think
> ok, this is it and then she would wake up and say will you call Gloria
> for me and have her come over. We were connected, and she was so
> prepared for the transition that it was really beautiful, there was no
> death just moving on. The day before she died she was up picking up things in her house trying to tell Bill what he needed to do. She lived everyday no matter what, and she lived
> this through detachment. I hope this helps you understand what I'm
> saying.
> As Barbara detached from the pain, she literally moved into a higher
> place in the brain where she wasn't experiencing that pain. Since she
> had let go of the fear and desire to stay no matter what, she no longer
> lived in worry or trying to hold on to what she knew. She had to
> surrender to what was, and in so doing so she was totally lifted out of the
> place that was really hell for her at the time when we got together. Detachment is what she mastered, she observed herself vomiting, she observed herself feeling sorry for herself, she observed her self crying and she observed herself thanking God for everything she had received in letting go. She lived more fully because she wasn't so personally involved in the pain and anguish of the death process, once she accepted God's Will for her she actually became excited at what she was going to experience on the other side. And we talked in detail of what that process was, she has only come to me once on the other side and it was with a huge smile on her face. She was radiant.
>This is real change and she left feeling wonderful. As did her family, they knew it was time and it was ok. This is
> transformation, it can only be done through grace and Divine Will.
>
> > Your understanding of detachment is 100% correct. I'll try to explain my
> > question. As one would expect, much of my world is numb and gray. I am
> > still new at "mindfullness", so the feelings I notice are the strong ones,
> > like depression. I have learned to look at a strong feeling and detach from
> > it. I'm getting pretty good at this. If it is a strong mood, like
> > depression, I may be in its presence (and watching it) for quite a while.
> > Detaching does not take the mood away, as you correctly stated, it just
> > removes identification. The mind and body still feel the mood. Another
> > feeling, perhaps grief, will come for a few minutes, and then leave as I
> > watch it. So you see, there is a difference in the amount of time that is
> > spent with the mood.
> >
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Date: Tue, 13 Jan 1998 01:44:26
From: Mystress Angelique Serpent <mistressATnospamdomin8rex.com>
To: SchrLL <SchrLLATnospamaol.com>
Cc: kundalini-lATnospamexecpc.com
Subject: Re: genuine or delusional
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At 23:35 12/01/98 EST, SchrLL wrote:
>In a message dated 98-01-12 01:26:14 EST, you write:
>> I could understand very little of the dreams, a child suddenly looking out
>> through adult eyes, at the changed world of the future...
> ATnospam->->--
>This could be a page from my journal. So many time people talk about the past
>and reincrnation, but that has never interested me. My dreams have been of
the
>future, of the Light and of all things Hollograms!
Yes, my first interpretation of the dream as entertainment.. I had a deja
vu from it New Years, 88.. they were testing out the laser light show in
downtown Calgary for the winter olympics. They were using opposite
skyscrapers as laser screens, and the geometric pattern of lights in the
sky made me think it was new technology, I had dreamt of..
... moving patterns on the sky, and music, but then they were replaced
with a very scary face that was not human, and people panicking.. which the
child thought an odd thing to do, at an entertainment.. then a human face
replaced it, and it said aircraft that had never been seen before were
coming and we would all get to go for a ride. We were collecting plastic
747's out of Corn Flakes, my younger bro and I, at the time... but these
ones had no wings... !
> And if the UFO's are comeing
>soon, let em come. I am just not too sure I want to go with them,
... but when it came my turn for a ride, after my adult self had been busy
calming people down and other things I found puzzling and amazing.. like,
why was my Adult self controlling her thoughts to keep them joyful,
whenever she got scared????
... and the man flying the ship (once my child self had morphed him into a
man, or it had morphed, to make me feel more comfortable.. coz it didn't
look human to start with..)..he said no ride for me, I had work to do..
that sounded too familiar to my child self, and it ws distracted with
pouting for while before it noticed the adult self seemed really happy
about it, (happy about being given work to do? This was not behavior I had
observed, in my family...) and there some talk of being given communication
devices and taking on leadership positions? I did not understand the
conversation, I gleaned this from the adult thoughts. the dream ends there,
in memory..
> but I am
>afraid that it may be necessary. This planet has been ruined and I had hoped
>it could be fixed, but now I have my doubts. Too bad. It was so beautifel.
;-(
>;-( ;- Linda
>
Don't be afraid. UFO abductions and NDE's both cause K.A.
Goddess moves in mysterious ways...
The mass consciousness shift required for planetary healing, may requre
both, on a planetary scale. Kundalini has been called the most powerful
force in the Universe. Pollution has not. We will recreate Eden, with the
limitless power of our Love.
Believe it.
Grandma Devi got the attention of the Nobel committee, because with her
guidance, folks in the ex-soviet union were using K. to heal pollution...
measurably.
(K is therefore already proven, eh, Gene?)
Science, with careful double blind studies, has proven that the power of
prayer, works to heal.. no matter what the faith, or even if the person
praying knows the person being prayed for, beyond an identification number..
Science is proving that human thoughts have real power, that they cannot
define within current physical laws.
Thru sattelite television, it is possible for humans around the world, to
focus on the same images and share the same thoughts. Thru the internet, we
are discovering that country borders do not really divide people: there is
only One of Us.
I have communed deeply with Lady Gaia, and She has not a trace of anger
at us, for the meSses we make. She is our Mother.. Unconditional Love. She
bears streach marks and dirty diapers willingly, for she sees ahead, to the
day when we reach the full flower of our "adulthood", as limitless beings
of light. When we learn to really use the toys we have created, by grace of
Goddess (TV and internet, among others..) as the powerful tools of
ascension they truly are.
Instantaneous worldwide communication is the biofeedback tool we need to
understand the limitless power of our thoughts.
Someone posted recently an article that said it has been discovered that
healers attune thier vibration to match that of the planet, when they are
doing healing. Most healers have been going thru a lot of energy cleansing,
because the vibration of the planet has been steadily increasing over the
last few years. Measurably.
Fasten your seatbelts, the Planet is preparing for Liftoff... into a
higher vibration.
We awakened folks know what too much K. feels like.. some folks know what
a too sudden awakening feels like.. if we are gonna shaktipat the planet,
best get a few unprepared folks out of the energy field, first, for their
own wellbeing. Ever hear of spontaneous human combustion? Know what causes
it? Ask yer K. Ask why it only happens to humans. Ever hear of spontaneous
sheep combustion?
And how do we get them out of the energy field of the planet? How do we
even figure out who they are, if a list of awakened folks like this cannot
even agree on a definiton for enlightenment?? For that matter, how do we
persuade the lower vibe folks to "leave the room" for awhile so some magic
can happen without them getting caught in it uncomfortably? Do we even need
to?
Goddess has it handled.
There are quite a few things we have prayed for some help with.. Goddess
provides.
Blessings, Mystress.
PS: After I wrote this I read Anandajyoti's post on "Kundalini as
incidental (was RE: Genius)" Hmmm... He wrote:
>But as we are all still in the body, the energy, comes down again to the
base, for the
>maintenance of the body. Many may already be aware that Kundalini also
produces a lot >of internal heat. All bodies, in the physical, may not be
tuned enough to sustain the >effects of this heat. This is also a possibility.
Goddess provides answers verrry quick, these days, eh?
Mystress Angelique Serpent,
Dominant Experiential Facilitator.
Website= http://www.domin8rex.com/serpent
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Date: Tue, 13 Jan 1998 10:10:18 EST
From: Afperry <AfperryATnospamaol.com>
To: Kundalini-lATnospamexecpc.com
Subject: Gradual awakening
Message-ID: <63005aa4.34bb83dcATnospamaol.com>
Dear List,
May I proffer a topic for discussion. Much attention has been focused on the
sudden awakening of kundalini and its dramatic effects, but my experience with
meditators has been that the kundalini more usually awakens gradually and
gently over an extended period of time, bringing about the same progressive
transformation that we all understand but without the flash-bang-wallop we
traditionally tend to associate with the process. Such meditators usually feel
energy currents around their bodies and the build up of inner power but
because it all takes place naturally and gradually, many will not associate
this process with kundalini awakening unless/until there is strong spinal
activity. IMO this gradual awakening should be considered the norm, initiating
a period of total inner purification (gestation perhaps?) from which will come
the eventual attainment of Divine Consciousness.
Furthermore, where kundalini does awaken suddenly (as in my own case) I
strongly suspect that this is simply taking off where we left off in our
previous lives i.e. after a period of re-capitulation and allowing for karma,
the kundalini will awaken quickly so that we may resume our interrupted
journey. This would explain its apparent suddenness and why people often feel
that they have not done anything specifically to awaken it - they did all that
last time around! It might also explain why some yogis are not aware of
kundalini arousal prior to Self-Realisation: they have not experienced the
symptoms of any sudden awakening or anything within them that cannot be
explained by the idiom of their own particular path.
With blessings,
Alan
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