1998/01/12 22:33
kundalini-l-d Digest V98 #36
kundalini-l-d Digest Volume 98 : Issue 36
Today's Topics:
Re: Kundalini as incidental (was RE: [ Kurt Keutzer <keutzerATnospameecs.berkeley ]
Re: Energy Flow Query [ SchrLL <SchrLLATnospamaol.com> ]
Re: genuine or delusion [ SchrLL <SchrLLATnospamaol.com> ]
Re: Awakening and Synchronicity [ sassiATnospamworldnet.att.net (Jack) ]
Re: Unidentified subject! [ sassiATnospamworldnet.att.net (Jack) ]
Re: genuine or delusion [ sassiATnospamworldnet.att.net (Jack) ]
Re: understanding [ Harsha1MTM <Harsha1MTMATnospamaol.com> ]
Re: Biofeedback [ SchrLL <SchrLLATnospamaol.com> ]
RE: Illustrations & Charts URL [ sassiATnospamworldnet.att.net (Jack) ]
Re: genuine or delusional [ SchrLL <SchrLLATnospamaol.com> ]
Re: understanding [ Peswani <peswaniATnospamgiaspn01.vsnl.net. ]
plain English, for plain people? [ mart <martATnospamidsc.gov.eg> ]
Re: Kundalini as incidental (was RE: [ anandajyoti <anandajyotiATnospamgeocities. ]
Re: Clarification on Some Fundamenta [ Peswani <peswaniATnospamgiaspn01.vsnl.net. ]
Re: Loved! [ Peswani <peswaniATnospamgiaspn01.vsnl.net. ]
Re: AutoPost from Kundalini Resource [ Gloria Greco <lodpressATnospamintercomm.co ]
Date: Mon, 12 Jan 1998 19:28:35 -0800
From: Kurt Keutzer <keutzerATnospameecs.berkeley.edu>
To: "Harsh K. Luthar" <hlutharATnospambryant.edu>
CC: hlutharATnospamkeynes.bryant.edu,
"lodpressATnospamintercomm.com" <lodpressATnospamintercomm.com>,
Gene Kieffer <gkiefferATnospamnetaxis.com>,
"heartzenATnospamlistserv.servtech.com" <heartzenATnospamlistserv.servtech.com>,
"kundalini-lATnospamexecpc.com" <kundalini-lATnospamexecpc.com>,
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Subject: Re: Kundalini as incidental (was RE: Genius)
Message-ID: <34BADF63.276EC50CATnospameecs.berkeley.edu>
> Kurt's simple question to Harsha was:
> > Is arousing kundalini (directly or indirectly) an essential
> > cause of *kaivalya* nirvikalpa samadhi, in your view, or not?
>
> Dear Kurt, I have addressed that issue at some length both in our
> personal posts and also on the list. Still you may not have gotten a
> clear answer. Think about the following: The very brilliance and high
> intelligence that powerfully focuses one's attention and allows one to
> disect concepts can also keep one from seeing the whole picture. You ask
> me questions which have underlying epistemological and ontological
> assumptions which you may not be aware of. If a question is asked within
> one paradigm, it is possible that the answer may lie in another. That
> does not mean I am not answering your questions. And I will answer them
> again. But before I do, there is no harm in thinking about what the
> underlying assumptions are and in which view of Reality the questions
> are being framed in. If you understand the fundamental nature of your
> questions, the answers will make more sense.
Kurt replies:Wouldn't it be easier to just answer? I respect you as well Harsha, but
I'm not looking for a ``dharma mondo'' on the web.
Here are a variety of alternatives -they represent my underlying assumptions:
1) kundalini has no relationship with enlightenment (kaivalya nirvikalpa samadhi -if
you prefer) (e.g. like thunder and a turtle surfacing - the two may appear related but
are simply coincidental).
2) kundalini is correlated with but not an essential cause of enlightenment. (e.g. like
geese often come to a lake, but the lake does not depend on the geese)
3) kundalini is an essential cause of earlier stages of enlightenment, but in the final
stages another cause must be introduced (e.g. like water is necessary for making the
clay for porcelain, but the clay must be fired before it is porcelain
4) kundalini is one of the essential final causes but there are other essential final
causes that must be present. (like Hydrogen and Oxygen are both essentially necessary
for water.)
5) kundalini shakti is the primary cause of enlightenment. The entire process of
enlightenment occurs within it. It starts as the universal para-shakti, apparently
devolves into cit-shakti then to prana-shakti, then apparently evolves to cit-shakti
and to para-shakti, but all the time it is shakti. (e.g. like water which remains H20
whether it is ice, water or gas).
With Kind Regards,
Kurt
Date: Mon, 12 Jan 1998 22:31:49 EST
From: SchrLL <SchrLLATnospamaol.com>
To: smacraeATnospamcamtech.net.au
Cc: kundalini-lATnospamexecpc.com
Subject: Re: Energy Flow Query
Message-ID: <e4b1e2b4.34bae028ATnospamaol.com>
In a message dated 98-01-11 19:08:10 EST, you write:
> s I always do. The water always flows in a clockwise
> direction down the drain. Today the water started flowing in a very
> rythmic
> backwards and forward motion and then switched to clockwise. After a minute
> it
> folded in on itself and then started again in an anti clockwise direction.
> After another minute it folded in on itself again and switched direction.
> This
> kept happening until the water had drained away.
ATnospam->->--
There are some who say the magnetic poles are shifting! I have been listening
to Art Bell and while some things sound really bizarre, those people are not
stupid people any more than we are. What you are saying sounds like it really
is happening! Are you a member of the dowsers? They have a large organization.
Love and Light, Linda
Date: Mon, 12 Jan 1998 22:44:09 EST
From: SchrLL <SchrLLATnospamaol.com>
To: mistressATnospamdomin8rex.com
Cc: kundalini-lATnospamexecpc.com
Subject: Re: genuine or delusion
Message-ID: <30338339.34bae30aATnospamaol.com>
In a message dated 98-01-11 20:03:30 EST, you write:
> and folks can "smell" it, and they react to it,
I am not up on the smell thing, but I know from experience that the energy is
detectable by others because they feel it. Some people get frightened because
it makes them feel! Others get turned on, while others feel love or
sensuality. Some get very scaired and think it is the devil and others get
high and think it is the Holy Spirit.
I just try to stay centered and in my heart.
Love and Light, Linda
Date: Tue, 13 Jan 1998 03:58:34 GMT
From: sassiATnospamworldnet.att.net (Jack)
To: kundalini-lATnospamexecpc.com
Subject: Re: Awakening and Synchronicity
Message-ID: <34cee668.41035582ATnospammailhost.worldnet.att.net>
When I had my first recognizable experience with the awakening of
Kundalini, I also had numerous experiences with synchronicity
(meaningful coincidence).
.when you begin to connect with this larger awareness..you will notice
more what is really happening and thus *see* the synchronicity more.
In actuality..it was/is always happening
I also noticed this but the time between a & b was a lot shorter than
usual. In other words, I would read something in the morning and links
would form for the rest of the day.
for instance : the only television I watch is Millenium and
occasionally the learning channel. shortly after my awakening I was
surfing the web looking for sites pertaining to K. One site I came
across about synchronicity and the # 23. That evening during the
Millenium program there were 6 direct synchronous events, including
the commercials one which featured Michael Jordan #23. By the end of
the program I was ROTFLMAO. It was just too much !
Jack
Date: Tue, 13 Jan 1998 03:58:45 GMT
From: sassiATnospamworldnet.att.net (Jack)
To: kundalini-lATnospamexecpc.com
Subject: Re: Unidentified subject!
Message-ID: <34d0e672.41046156ATnospammailhost.worldnet.att.net>
That's it! Thank you Jack!
I found yesterday when I sat in meditation it was amazingly deep and
when the others wanted to quit at an hour, I wanted more. So later I
sat again, and while it didn't remove the sexuality, it integrated it
somehow, so it didn't keep coming out as desire!
eggxactly ! And after awhile you'll wonder where all the energy is
going. At that point you'll realize that people are looking at you in
a new light and you will know then where it went.
Ciao
Jack
Date: Tue, 13 Jan 1998 04:00:44 GMT
From: sassiATnospamworldnet.att.net (Jack)
To: kundalini-lATnospamexecpc.com
Subject: Re: genuine or delusion
Message-ID: <34d2e6bf.41122404ATnospammailhost.worldnet.att.net>
and folks can "smell" it, and they react to it,
I am not up on the smell thing, but I know from experience that the
energy is
detectable by others because they feel it. Some people get frightened
because
it makes them feel! Others get turned on, while others feel love or
sensuality. Some get very scaired and think it is the devil and others
get
high and think it is the Holy Spirit.
I just try to stay centered and in my heart.
Love and Light, Linda
Yup. And it smells like Roses to some and Sandalwood to others.
Jack
Date: Mon, 12 Jan 1998 23:02:14 EST
From: Harsha1MTM <Harsha1MTMATnospamaol.com>
To: peswaniATnospamgiaspn01.vsnl.net.in, hlutharATnospambryant.edu
Cc: kundalini-lATnospamexecpc.com,
heartzenATnospamlistserv.servtech.com (heartzenATnospamlistserv.servtech.com)
Subject: Re: understanding
Message-ID: <2512f19a.34bae747ATnospamaol.com>
In a message dated 98-01-12 01:08:20 EST, peswaniATnospamgiaspn01.vsnl.net.in writes:
Peshwani wrote<< Moksh is going back to Shiva.
Nirvan is going ahead to Shakti. Moksh is what Harsha is slowly and
blissfully getting from Ramana Maharishi. Nirvan is what Shahanshah is
slowly and surely getting thro pain and samta.
>>
Harsha writes: Dear Peshwani, I am very sorry about the pain you are
experiencing on your way to Nirvana. Believe me Moksha is no joy ride either.
The stories that I could tell would make even Kurt Keutzer weep. It becomes
difficult for me to critique anyone knowing they are in pain so now if you
have the upper hand. Still I have to say that while Moksha and Nirvana have
differing connotations they imply the exact same thing: Pure Non-Dual
Awareness.
Peshwani wrote: I read Voice of Silence by Theosophical Society, which
mentioned that this path is only meant for Bodhisattvas via Nirvan to Buddha.
Harsha writes: Dear Peshwani: Annie Besant and that whole Theosophical crowd
did one good thing and that was to bring up Krishnamurti. Krishnamurti at a
very critical time rejected the whole Theosophical approach and went solo. A
wise man indeed. There was a good reason for that. I am sure John Bill
Beaudine, who used to go hear Krishnamurti could fill us in even better. I
find the views of Theosophical society to be inconsistent with traditional
Yogic and Vedantic Understanding. I also question their understanding of the
Kundalini System and the Chakras as expounded by one of their cofounders-
Mr. Leadbeater (spelling?).
Finally Dear Peshwani, I wish you well. I do think you are on intellectual
overload. That is not always a good thing, but to each their own. Best wishes
on your meditations.
Harsha
Date: Mon, 12 Jan 1998 23:17:10 EST
From: SchrLL <SchrLLATnospamaol.com>
To: sassiATnospamWORLDNET.ATT.NET
Cc: kundalini-lATnospamexecpc.com
Subject: Re: Biofeedback
Message-ID: <4aaf6aca.34baeac6ATnospamaol.com>
In a message dated 98-01-11 22:44:57 EST, you write:
>
> Sometimes I think that the docs have no explanation for something,
> keep running tests hoping something will show up or that the first
> time the machine was broken or something. When the tests keep coming
> up negative they actually get pissed off. It's really funny to see.
>
ATnospam->->--
This happened to me too. The machine operator thought the machine was broken,
twice! Two different machines and two different operators. The needle went up,
off the chart when my Bliss Blitz started. All I had to do was begin my
meditation and think of my bliss and off it would go. * "Since then some
researchers have measured this enegy in some meditators and found that there
is a higher frequency range of 350 to 500 HZ. Normal EEG readings of the brain
are usually within the 0 to 50 HZ range."
* from "Loved by the Light" by Linda Schreiber
Date: Tue, 13 Jan 1998 04:27:11 GMT
From: sassiATnospamworldnet.att.net (Jack)
To: kundalini-lATnospamexecpc.com
Subject: RE: Illustrations & Charts URL
Message-ID: <34d3ece8.42700342ATnospammailhost.worldnet.att.net>
Some excellent charts at :
http://www.spiritweb.org/Spirit/image-gallery-illustrations.html
Date: Mon, 12 Jan 1998 23:35:54 EST
From: SchrLL <SchrLLATnospamaol.com>
To: mistressATnospamdomin8rex.com
Cc: kundalini-lATnospamexecpc.com
Subject: Re: genuine or delusional
Message-ID: <4f1e1d52.34baef2bATnospamaol.com>
In a message dated 98-01-12 01:26:14 EST, you write:
> Some things, I never checked out, to discover a difference. I thought
> everybody had a light in their head that came on when they were trying to
> go to sleep. I had been playing a game with myself to make it brighter,
> since I was a toddler. I didn't know to connect the game with the
> incredibly odd dreams and nightmares I had as a child. I prayed for them to
> end, and they did.
>
> Recently I figured out that I was shamanic journeying into the
> dreamtime.. scary stuff for a little kid. I had two dreams that I
> recognized, were events from the future: I journeyed into my adult self. I
> could understand very little of the dreams, a child suddenly looking out
> through adult eyes, at the changed world of the future... but the images
> stayed with me. I felt that they were important, sent for a reason.
ATnospam->->--
This could be a page from my journal. So many time people talk about the past
and reincrnation, but that has never interested me. My dreams have been of the
future, of the Light and of all things Hollograms! Lots of de ja vu and
dreams of thing which were going to happen. I believe I had so mpain and
misery as a teenager and on, because my K was blocked. When I got unblocked,
the pain left and the bliss was there in its place. I broke through and
believe me, nothing could ever make me go back. And if the UFO's are comeing
soon, let em come. I am just not too sure I want to go with them, but I am
afraid that it may be necessary. This planet has been ruined and I had hoped
it could be fixed, but now I have my doubts. Too bad. It was so beautifel. ;-(
;-( ;- Linda
Date: Tue, 13 Jan 1998 10:34:30 +0500 (GMT+0500)
From: Peswani <peswaniATnospamgiaspn01.vsnl.net.in>
To: Harsha1MTM <Harsha1MTMATnospamaol.com>
Cc: hlutharATnospambryant.edu, kundalini-lATnospamexecpc.com, heartzenATnospamlistserv.servtech.com
Subject: Re: understanding
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On Mon, 12 Jan 1998, Harsha1MTM wrote:
> In a message dated 98-01-12 01:08:20 EST, peswaniATnospamgiaspn01.vsnl.net.in writes:
>
> Peshwani wrote<< Moksh is going back to Shiva.
> Nirvan is going ahead to Shakti. Moksh is what Harsha is slowly and
> blissfully getting from Ramana Maharishi. Nirvan is what Shahanshah is
> slowly and surely getting thro pain and samta.
> >>
> Harsha writes: Dear Peshwani, I am very sorry about the pain you are
> experiencing on your way to Nirvana. Believe me Moksha is no joy ride either.
> The stories that I could tell would make even Kurt Keutzer weep. It becomes
> difficult for me to critique anyone knowing they are in pain so now if you
> have the upper hand. Still I have to say that while Moksha and Nirvana have
> differing connotations they imply the exact same thing: Pure Non-Dual
> Awareness.
>
> Harsha
>
Shahanshah..
Harsha... Do you think ,I did not feel your pain. I do.
Your reaction to my declaring that I am Shahanshah, and to Vijay that
he is enlightened without probing them deeply.
On the other hand your sending such a lovely poem expressing love for
all from a distance.
Harsha it confirms your glimpse of Sat Chit Anand and the pain of not
having that experience all the time.
This confirms your present travelling on Nirvanic path of pain and
wishing that it ends in Moksh. Some what your inner consciousness also is
teling you that you can have Moksh thro Ramana Maharishi, and he will end
your journey of pain into bliss.>
But you are not sure....
Harsha dear... listen to my explanation of difference in Moksh and
Nirvan. It is not too much intellct or theosophy. It is my direct
persistant contact with my Inner Voice for hours and hours in meditation
for last three or four years.
You might have stopped on this path, and this pain is pain of search for
answers so that you are always with Sat chit Anand and if not at least
you firmly know the path. This firmly knowing the path and daily walking
on it converts the pain int samta like it did for Shahanshah.
Many momentary experiences came to me on this path, like I have
had glimpses of Sat Chit Anand and a different one of self realisation(This
experience remained with me for more than a month). But they left more
pain and craving because of their glimpses.
I HAD THEN TO ACCEPT THAT ALL ARE ONE. I ALONE CANNOT HAVE BLISS
WHEN THEIR IS DUKKHA OR PAIN ALROUND. AND EVERY DAY MANY TIMES I SEE THIS
PAIN FLOWING IN AROUND ME. THIS IS NOT A MOMENTARY EXPERIENCE.THIS IS
REALITY.
LOVE AND ONENESS ARE NO MORE WORDS FOR ME THEY ARE ME. HARSHA YOU
ARE ME AND I AM YOU.
All my intellect tells me to accept Moksh and instant bliss, but
it is not in my hands. A Buddha has to come and bless me till then I have
to walk on this path of Bodhisattva alone and in pain but with SAMTA
Date: Tue, 13 Jan 1998 07:05:07 +0200
From: mart <martATnospamidsc.gov.eg>
To: "kundalini-lATnospamlists.execpc.com" <kundalini-lATnospamlists.execpc.com>
Subject: plain English, for plain people?
Message-ID: <34BAF603.991A9C50ATnospamidsc.gov.eg>
Without ruffling anyone's feathers, is it possible to ask for some of
the explanations to be in plain English? All the Hindu(?) terms are
making it impossible for me to read with comprehesion (so I just skip
them) so many postings. I have heard some of the terms before, but
without major research into the meanings of most of the terms, I am
lost.
Is it not possible to understand this Kundalini process without a
background in Eastern mysticism?
To some extent these same questions apply to the psycho-babble that fill
many postings as well.
I just want to understand as much as I can about what is transpiring and
what I can do/be to 'go with the flow'...
Also, thanks to the many who wrote personally in response to an earlier
posting--I failed to thank you all individually, but really appreciated
the support.
Thanks again,
Fran
Date: Mon, 12 Jan 1998 21:00:42 -0800
From: anandajyoti <anandajyotiATnospamgeocities.com>
To: "heartzenATnospamlistserv.servtech.com" <heartzenATnospamlistserv.servtech.com>,
"kundalini-lATnospamexecpc.com" <kundalini-lATnospamexecpc.com>
Subject: Re: Kundalini as incidental (was RE: Genius)
Message-ID: <34BAF4EE.8D67F8B5ATnospamgeocities.com>
Kurt Keutzer wrote:
> Here are a variety of alternatives -they represent my underlying assumptions:
> 1) kundalini has no relationship with enlightenment (kaivalya nirvikalpa samadhi -if you
> prefer)
> 2) kundalini is correlated with but not an essential cause of enlightenment. (e.g. like
> geese often come to a lake, but the lake does not depend on the geese)
> 3) kundalini is an essential cause of earlier stages of enlightenment, but in the final
> stages another cause must be introduced (e.g. like water is necessary for making the clay
> for porcelain, but the clay must be fired before it is porcelain
> 4) kundalini is one of the essential final causes but there are other essential final
> causes that must be present. (like Hydrogen and Oxygen are both essentially necessary
> for water.)
> 5) kundalini shakti is the primary cause of enlightenment. The entire process of
> enlightenment occurs within it. It starts as the universal para-shakti, apparently
> devolves into cit-shakti then to prana-shakti, then apparently evolves to cit-shakti and
> to para-shakti, but all the time it is shakti. (e.g. like water which remains H20 whether
> it is ice, water or gas).
>
> Anandajyoti writes;
Kundalini, in my experience is the energy present in each one of us, and it operates
throughout our life time, primarily in base chakra, the sex chakra, and the solar plexus.
Without its activation in the three chakras, we would not have fear of existence, no sexual
impulses for the propagation of the species, and no power to dominate others. On the other
hand through awareness, intelligence and understanding , all humans are capable to turn the
effects of fear into courage, lust into real love, and power of domination to compassion
for all and creative expressions.. When this awareness is put in practice, consciously,
through our thoughts , speech and action, the Kundalini opens up the heart chakra, even
for a limited period of time., varying in its intensity and expression. This awareness is
the real baptism, which we all must go through, if we so aspire, according to our
individual needs and inclinations. There are many pictures of Christ, with an open heart.
This is what it means to me. Others may differ with my opinion.
Those who have the desire to further the effects of this energy in the heart, throat, third
eye or the crown chakras, can do it through their own aspirations.
On the other hand many millions, get the Kundalini Energy activated at chakras higher than
the solar plexus, at different times in their life time. Many become aware of it, many
allude this movement to something physical. Why the Kundalini does become active in chakras
higher than the solar plexus, on its own, no one can surely pinpoint. But is does happen ,
which is the experience of many. How or why still remains an enigma.
Some say, philosophically, that it is Karma, it is the result of our evolution,
yet others may say they are born with it, some say because the Holy Spirit wanted it to be
so, or pure grace.. All of these intellectual or philosophic answers are possible, due to
individual perceptions.
It is only when one experiences this flow of the energy through some practice, either
meditation, or yogic postures, breathing exercises, contemplation, prayer, whatever may be
the method employed, then surely one can experience the movement in the higher chakras.
The effects of the energy acting on the higher chakras may last from few minutes to hours,
days, weeks or even months.
But as we are all still in the body, the energy, comes down again to the base, for the
maintenance of the body. Many may already be aware that Kundalini also produces a lot of
internal heat. All bodies, in the physical, may not be tuned enough to sustain the effects
of this heat. This is also a possibility.
The practices if done regularly helps us in enhancing our awareness, of the movement of
this energy.
Most people are not able to force the energy to remain at the higher chakras, and this
energy sort of has a volition of its own.
It could be possible, that if the individual volition and the volition of the Kundalini
merged together, and acted as one, then the scenario changes completely. This is when it
can be said, that one experiences the Oneness.
This experience may be short-lived or may remain for a period of time.
But the experience itself remains embedded in our memory, which is retrievable at will,
through contemplation or meditation, till another Kundalini generated upsurge occurs.
It is like having a very tasty cheesecake , really experiencing it while eating it, and at
other times having the taste of it from memory. The memory of it does not give us the
thrill of the actual experience, though. ruminating it is possible.
This brings another definition for meditation, ot is remembrance of the experience.
So I would infer that Kundalini is one medium for Nirvikalpa Samadhi, the awareness of
Nirvikalpa Samadhi may not be contingent on the Kundalini, but Kundalini does have the
movement towards the crown chakra for Nirvikalpa Samadhi. So I cannot agree that Kundalini
is coincidental. My answer would be, we don't know yet.
The bottom line, to me that while still in the body, how do we as individuals live our
lives from the understanding or the experience of the Kundalini. Has it been able to
transform our perspectives, aspirations, our thinking , speaking, and action , how we
relate to ourselves and others, and what we as individuals have done to alleviate our state
our consciousness from the physical, emotional, mental to the spiritual? That is a
question, I think, we all need to ask ourselves!
Anandajyoti
http://www.geocities.com/Athens/Forum/6782
Date: Tue, 13 Jan 1998 10:52:31 +0500 (GMT+0500)
From: Peswani <peswaniATnospamgiaspn01.vsnl.net.in>
To: anandajyoti <anandajyotiATnospamgeocities.com>
Cc: "heartzenATnospamlistserv.servtech.com" <heartzenATnospamlistserv.servtech.com>,
"kundalini-lATnospamexecpc.com" <kundalini-lATnospamexecpc.com>
Subject: Re: Clarification on Some Fundamentals Invited
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On Mon, 12 Jan 1998, anandajyoti wrote:
> What are feelings? As I understand it , it is the response created by
> our heart., mind, emotions, and phsyical objects on our minds.This can
> happen in two ways, I believe.
> One, sensations from the outside, through the five sensory organs, and
>
> Two, also through the ego, emotions, and the spirit.
> Can all type of feelings touch the heart?
> Or do all feelings generate or emerge from our ego?
> How would one diffrentiate its source as to where the feelings are
> emerging from?
> Any comments or suggestions are welcome on the list, as there are many
> on the list who are so well versed on it.
>
> Anandajyoti
> http://www.geocities.com/Athens/Forum/6782
>
>
>
One view from Shahanshah......
There is one astral body of thoughts. Our outer senses are all the
time sending sensations. Also our astral body of thought is projecting
back sensations.
There is another body of preceptions (feelings). Only when this
preception body gives a signal, does the recording takes place in astral
body.
Preception body has to give the signal that they like the
sensations(craving) or they hate the sensations(dislike) before they get
recorded as karma.
Initially preception body acts from ignorance building up karmas later
these karma (ego or astral body) react as per their past prejuduces (habits).
Date: Tue, 13 Jan 1998 11:05:34 +0500 (GMT+0500)
From: Peswani <peswaniATnospamgiaspn01.vsnl.net.in>
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Subject: Re: Loved!
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> > Still and Silent I have kept
> > Loved you very Quietly
> > from a distance as you slept
> > Know that one day this Love of Mine
> > will overtake; it must!
> > Nothing much I can do because
> > inevitably this Heart will burst
> > being much too full for too long
> > with unsung lullabies and songs
> > but I am only too content
> > to just let it go like that.
> >
> > Harsha
> ATnospam->->-- A rose by any other name...This one is a keeper. Thank you.
>
>
This is the poem of yours that I was referring to on love.
Other day I had a beautiful dream. I saw map of India in my dream. A
bright light shone at one point on this map. And in no time more number
of lights started coming up around it and whole of India was filled with
innumerable lights.
My only regret is why I did not see map of whole of the world.
Shahanshah
Date: Mon, 12 Jan 1998 19:24:35 +0100
From: Gloria Greco <lodpressATnospamintercomm.com>
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Nina Erwin wrote:
>
> Since this is the first time on this discussion line, I would like to start out on asking just this one question on Kundalini.
>
> When I had my first recognizable experience with the awakening of Kundalini, I also had numerous experiences with synchronicity (meaningful coincidence). In a book I bought written by Stan Grov "Spiritual Emergencies," it mentions that some people will experience synchronicity and that it has to do with opening in a psyhically. Why is this and what is its significance.
Gloria:
Hi Nina, welcome to the conversation. Sychronicity happens to really
teach you how everything is connected to everything else. When you are
stepping out into that unknown aspect of life, where you are letting go
of control and asking that God enter into your experience in a direct
and meaningful way, you suddenly become AWARE OR AWAKE to an energy that
is quite different from the normal 'just existing' mode which says to
you, something wonderful is happening.
As you meditate and work at detaching from the normal action/reaction of
the automatic pilot category of being, you recognize that everything in
life is filled with meaning, and all you have to do is open up to the
really high energy that has always been there but went un-noticed. Now,
you become alive to the moment, you recognize that inside of you there
is energies moving that are connecting you to the flow of what is
manifesting around you. Those sychronicities are directly related to
this inside condition working on the outside energies. And, one by one
the pieces of your life puzzle turns over to move into a spot that
didn't even appear to be empty. The illusion begins to be revealed as
the awareness expands. Welcome to our world.
>
>
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Enter The Silence to Know God ... and... accept life as the teacher.
Gloria Joy Greco
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