1998/01/11 18:17
kundalini-l-d Digest V98 #29
kundalini-l-d Digest Volume 98 : Issue 29
Today's Topics:
Re: Trauma results (was Scientific W [ Ann Morrison Fisher <annfisherATnospamstic ]
Triviality and Confusion [ Harsh Luthar <hlutharATnospamkeynes.bryant ]
Re: Cameras [ freda <fredaATnospamblarg.net> ]
Re: Cameras [ Ann Morrison Fisher <annfisherATnospamstic ]
My Moral Dilemma Solved [ jacinthaATnospamjuno.com (Danielle R Dumon ]
Sushumnameter [ Afperry <AfperryATnospamaol.com> ]
Kundalini Sprouts [ Ruth Trimble <trimbleATnospamhawaii.edu> ]
Shaktipat [ Afperry <AfperryATnospamaol.com> ]
Energy Flow Query [ Susanne Macrae <smacraeATnospamcamtech.net ]
Re: Unidentified subject! [ Barbara Millikan <millikanATnospampnn.com> ]
anonymously:Marijuana and K.? [ Mystress Angelique Serpent <mistres ]
Re: genuine or delusion [ Mystress Angelique Serpent <mistres ]
Date: Sun, 11 Jan 1998 10:43:25 -0600
From: Ann Morrison Fisher <annfisherATnospamstic.net>
To: kundalini-lATnospamlists.execpc.com
Subject: Re: Trauma results (was Scientific Wonders)
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sassiATnospamworldnet.att.net (Jack) wrote:
>This strikes a deep nerve in me, Ruth. The empathic emotions I
>received from my twin are similar. A childhood trauma at 7 years old,
>betrayal and fear. She has locked her true heart away so deeply that
>she can't find it. Now, after 33 years of failed relationships she has
>reconciled herself to never finding the unconditional love she so
>desperately wants. Recently she has realized that some of her failures
>are her own doing, she plans her own failure, and when it happens
>tells herself, " I told you so." Her inability to love unconditionaly
>is sensed by those that love her. Unable to break through, to unlock
>her heart so to speak, they give up. She see's it as betrayal, expects
>it really.
>
>Deciding that the innocence of a child, prevents betrayal, she became
>a mother. Adopted, married a 2nd time and had a son with a daughter on
>the way. But her husband senses her inability to love, He thought if
>he loved her enough he could break-through. Now, feeling used and
>defeated he turns to another. She expected as much, almost doesn't
>care. Now she see's her salvation in her children. I fear for her when
>the wake-up call comes.
>
>Time is running out and my soul feels crushed sometimes. I know when
>and where this terrible thing happened to her but not what. I can help
>her rid herself of the past and to find her heart again. To salvage
>her marriage and live a fufilled life.
>
>Everyday I ponder how to communicate this to her, to no avail. So I
>pray, in my own way, for her. I try very hard to us the gifts I
>received with my awakening, to somehow communicate hope to her.
>Frustrating, not knowing if I'm getting through.
>
Jack, it's so hard when someone close to us has problems, but it must be
even harder for a twin!
This sounds like the kind of thing that the Illume-A-Nation method can
handle. It offers good methods to find Limiting Decisions (L.D.s) or
scripting, imprints from the early years of life that are carried in the
body's cells and cause us to act in ways that we may not consciously
understand. It also offers a method of clearing them from the body, once
they're found.
If your sister has an L.D. like, "If I love or trust, I will be betrayed,"
we can help her!
Here's a little from the intro to the Illume-A-Nation book by Lynea
Weatherly; the book is used with her workshop.
"We are the Master Creator of the illusions we live, unaware of our
creative abilities, believing that life happens to us instead of because of
us. We are always an actor or actress in somebody's play. The act of
mastery comes when we consciously manifest the plays we choose to
participate in. It is the purpose of Illume-A-Nation to teach you how to
uncover limiting decisions and emotional imprints, erase them from your
cellular patterns and unfold your hidden potential.
"Limiting Decisions are hidden imprints within our cellular memory that
cause our life to be the way we are experiencing it when it is NOT what we
want our life or ourselves to be like. They are the unknown written script
of our life.
"Whatever you are experiencing in your life that is not what your heart
wants is a limiting decision. For instance, you are a peace-loving person
who works very hard, but still wealth eludes you. You find an L.D.: 'Money
causes fights, and since you want harmony, you must avoid money.'
"Whenever you are in an emotional state not to your liking, you have a
limiting decision. For example, you are upset with yourself for eating too
much. You find an L.D.: 'lt pleases Daddy when I clean my plate.'
"When you can't manifest what you desire, no matter how hard you try, you
have a limiting decision (also called a violet light issue). For example,
you are a teacher, and no matter how much you exercise, eat 'right' & work
for a youthful appearance, you continue to age faster than those around
you. You find an L.D.: 'To be accepted as wise, you must look old.'
"Limiting decisions come from genetic memory (past lives or inherited in
DNA), in the womb (from mother and/or own observations), early childhood,
amd mass consciousness (collective thought forms)."
Those who have taken the workshop are not allowed to just copy the book,
but we are encouraged to teach the methods to friends and family. So I've
written some material on the methods, just as I would tell it to a friend.
If you like, I'll send it to you, and you can help her yourself. It would
take some work, but you could learn to do it.
Or - I could find and clear her L.D.s. Or - you could call or write to
Lynea herself (she does charge, and I will, too, soon - must begin making
some money!)
The only thing is, we - or you - would have to have your sister's
permission to help her. It does involve contacting the person's
body/subconscious, and it would be unethical to do that without permission.
I don't think a long explanation is necessary; if you say something like "I
know of a spiritual healer [or say psychic] who can help you, is that
okay?" and she says, "Okay," that's enough.
Hope this helps - let me know what you decide.
Ann
Date: Sun, 11 Jan 1998 14:18:31 -0800
From: Harsh Luthar <hlutharATnospamkeynes.bryant.edu>
To: Gene Kieffer <gkiefferATnospamnetaxis.com>
Cc: annfisherATnospammail.stic.net, heartzenATnospamlistserv.servtech.com,
kundalini-lATnospamlists.execpc.com
Subject: Triviality and Confusion
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Gene Kieffer wrote:
>
> snip....
> Nobody has yet come up with an response to my question of a week ago,
> which is this: "How can one determine whether he/she is self-deluded or
> has actually experienced a genuine awakening?"
>
snip....
>
> Sincerely,
> gene
Harsha writes: Dear Gene, You are obsessed with trivial things. This has
been explained to you many many times so I will be quick. Kundalini
Shakti manifests in a variety of ways. A genuine awakening of Kundalini
in meditation leads to loss of body consciousness. Serious practice and
harnessing the energy leads the Shakti higher and one experiences
Superconscious states, celestial visions etc. When the visions are
bright and clear, it indicates purity of mind. With the right practice
and Self-Awareness one realizes the Self as the Heart, the Very Core of
Being, as Pure Sat-Chit-Ananda, the Self-Existent Reality that is Whole,
Complete, and Eternal by its very nature. I have explained this in much
detail and you may wish to go to the Archives (December, 1997). Kurt
Keutzer, myself and others were involved in that discussion. It should
satisfy some of your curiousity. All of this comes from being
intellectually oriented, and having very limited experience with the
Shakti. You seem to believe (wrongly) that you Know what Kundalini is
all about and even how others ought to experience it (to yours and Gopi
Krishna's satisfaction). This is the fundamental cause of your
confusion. Nothing can remove that confusion but extensive practical
experience with the Shakti culminating in Self-Realization. Instead of
posing questions to others ask yourself "Who am I," who asks these
questions. Do not ask questions of others. It leads to continuing
ignorance only, as the mind remains always extroverted. Ask only
yourself, who You Are. Realize Who You Are Gene. That is the main thing.
That is what gives life meaning. Everything else is relatively trivial.
Realizing your Own Original Nature will end all your curiousity forever.
Otherwise you will always be running around trying to prove this or
that, even in your next life!. Stop the Running and be Still and Know
Who You Are.
Best wishes
Harsha
Date: Sun, 11 Jan 1998 12:05:14 -0800
From: freda <fredaATnospamblarg.net>
To: Gene Kieffer <gkiefferATnospamnetaxis.com>
CC: annfisherATnospammail.stic.net, heartzenATnospamlistserv.servtech.com,
kundalini-lATnospamlists.execpc.com
Subject: Re: Cameras
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Gene writes:
> When one finds that he/she has become more interested in God, in serving
> humanity, in being kind, compassionate, loving and honest, that is the first
> sign of a genuine awakening.
Really Gene, are these truely signs of a "genuine" awakening?
>It does not matter whether he/she feels the
> upward flow, or anything else. The only thing that matters is that one changes
> from an ego-centric person to one who feels strongly about the welfare of
> others.
The ONLY thing? Well, thats it, I'm going to assend
now.............nope, that's not IT, Gene.
>Then the whole world becomes his/her concern, and the mind loses
> its attachment to personal problems and becomes engaged in doing the Will of
> the Creator.
Are you certain that this is THE path?
1. I concern myself with the WHOLE world.
2. I lose attachment to personal PROBLEMS. [I like that one]
3. I engage myself in doing the WIll of the Creator. [which is what?]
How long did you say you've been "scientificly" studying this?
--
..freda..
BE-IS-AM ...manifesting again...
http://www.blarg.net/~freda/01rg/hm/frhm.htm
Date: Sun, 11 Jan 1998 14:19:35 -0600
From: Ann Morrison Fisher <annfisherATnospamstic.net>
To: Gene Kieffer <gkiefferATnospamnetaxis.com>
Cc: heartzenATnospamlistserv.servtech.com, kundalini-lATnospamlists.execpc.com
Subject: Re: Cameras
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Hi Gene:
> Thanks very much for that highly relevant quotation from Swami Muktananda's
>autobiography, regarding Urdhvaretas....
Glad you enjoyed it.
>... because that is exactly what Kundalini is
>all about.
>
> And that is why I have made such a big deal out of it. Without
>Urdhvaretas,
>there can be no Enlightenment, Cosmic Consciousness, Illumination, etc.
>
If that is so, then "the seminal essence," as you put it, is surely not the
same thing as semen. If it were, women could never find That. And, of
course, they do. Muktananda's successor, whom he chose and to whom he
passed on his lineage, is a woman.
> Now, it is very true that many K-people have awakened Kundalini and do not
>feel the upward flow of the seminal essence. That's okay.
I'm wondering now if that's what I used to feel in sex. Usually it was as
though the orgasm went up the spine and through the whole body, and I would
hear noise in my ears, as if the eardrums were vibrating. I just thought
that's how sex was supposed to be. So when I say that for me, kundalini
meditation is very sexual, I could just as easily turn it around and say
that for me sex was always very much like kundalini meditation.
>
>... As for using cameras to record Urdhvaretas, that's not a bad idea at
>all.
>There would certainly be some extremely interesting (to say the least)
>phenomena
>to record. That's what will set the scientific world on its ear!
To tell you the truth, Gene, that was a joke! The thought of some poor man
with his penis stuck in his navel and the scientists rushing to photograph
him - "Ooh, that's a good one!" - had me rolling on the floor laughing.
But I suppose you're right - it will happen!
>
> But I must hasten to add that it does not require shaktipat to bring about
>Urdhvaretas. It can very well occur to anyone whether he/she has or has not
>received shaktipat. The transmission of shaktipat (which I received long,
>long
>ago) is not a requirement at all.
Or maybe some of us get it, but not from a guru in the body.
>
> I've mentioned this a dozen times: If one were to count up all the
>Americans
>who have received shaktipat since 1070, the number might exceed half a
>million.
>Add to this the number of people who have been practicing Kundalini Yoga as
>taught by Yogi Bhajan; and then add up all those who have been seriously
>practicing various forms of Yoga, whether Hatha, Jnana, Karma,etc. and the
>total number might be well over two million over the past three decades.
Maybe people give Shaktipat in various ways, at various levels, in various
degrees. Swami Chidvilasananda, in her introduction to Muktananda's book
"Kundalini," tells of receiving Shaktipat from him. Muktananda, coming
along a path with a group of men, picked up a leaf and examined it. Then he
stopped in front of Chidvilasananda and handed the leaf to her, then walked
on.
"Still holding onto the leaf, I entered the temple of the ashram to attend
the afternoon chant. I was a little early that day. As I sat waiting for
the chant to begin, an incredibly loud explosion occurred right above the
top of my head. It sounded like a sonic boom. At the same time, another
explosion took place in my chest as though someone had stuck a stick of
dynamite into granite. A whole inner world opened up within me.
Incredibly powerful waves of love began to surge up inside me. But they
were completely unlike any other kind of love I had ever known. This love
was completely pure, unconditional, and unbelievably powerful. I remember
thinking that this must be what they call divine love. I had read about it
in the works of the Spanish mystics years before. The experience was so
intense that I started to cry. And I kept crying on and off for two weeks
- which was the period of time it took me to adjust to the new state in
which I found myself. That state - those waves of divine love surging up
inside me - lasted twenty-four hours a day, without interruption, for a
year and a half, after which they became sporadic. But though the love has
become milder, it has never left."
But she also says, "Whether Shaktipat comes to us dramatically like a sonic
boom or very quietly and subtly, as it does to many people...."
I have never tried to produce such a spectacular effect, but when I begin a
new meditation group, I do provide linkage and enough energy for them to
experience something at the first meeting. New people need that energy
boost for a little while, until they get the hang of doing it on their own.
>
> Nobody has yet come up with an response to my question of a week ago,
>which is this: "How can one determine whether he/she is self-deluded or
>has actually experienced a genuine awakening?"
If a man is truly self-deluded, he doesn't know it. And if a man spends
too much time worrying about whether he is self-deluded, it can only impede
his progress.
Love,
Ann
Date: Sun, 11 Jan 1998 15:38:08 -0500
From: jacinthaATnospamjuno.com (Danielle R Dumont)
To: kundalini-lATnospamexecpc.com
Subject: My Moral Dilemma Solved
Message-ID: <19980111.153811.4806.1.jacinthaATnospamjuno.com>
I just want to thank the kind people who responded to my earlier post
regarding my ex-business partner who broke into my shop and stole all my
computer equipment.
Update - He returned all the important things and that is all that
matters. I have decided to not pursue it legally as I feel I would be
entering into a long period of
negativity regarding this situation - we know how slow the justice can
be. So I
let go and let GOD (take care of him).
Date: Sun, 11 Jan 1998 16:19:25 EST
From: Afperry <AfperryATnospamaol.com>
To: gkiefferATnospamnetaxis.com
Cc: Kundalini-lATnospamexecpc.com
Subject: Sushumnameter
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Gene Kieffer wrote:
>
> Nobody has yet come up with an response to my question of a week ago,
> which is this: "How can one determine whether he/she is self-deluded or
> has actually experienced a genuine awakening?"
>
Dear Gene,
I sympathise with what you are trying to assess from the objective point of
view as it may be crucial to the nature of the guidance you give to others,
but I think you will have an uphill struggle until the invention of a
'sushumnameter' <g>
May I venture simply that a tree is known by its fruits. Real awakening will
bring complete spiritual transformation, self-delusion will not. In the short-
term there may be confusion both subjectively and objectively, but not in the
long-term. From an acorn, an oak tree must eventually emerge - but only an oak
tree!
With blessings,
Alan
Date: Sun, 11 Jan 1998 11:27:25 -1000
From: Ruth Trimble <trimbleATnospamhawaii.edu>
To: kundalini-lATnospamlists.execpc.com
Subject: Kundalini Sprouts
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Hi this is a note to add to Gloria Lee's statement about Gloria's advice
to Dan:
>> BUT.. BIG BUT HERE..WHY
suggest more control??? why are you suggesting to Dan that he try to
quiet his mind by himself..??? and by seeking answers inside..??? Even a
mental health professional who has no clue about kundalini could
certainly be useful to Dan to assist him with many issues that he
expressed in his posted story of *My Awakening*..in my humble opinion..
you are overlooking these many other issues which have nothing to do
with Kundalini. ****
Can that site of Dan's awakening be posted again.. I missed it!
Good advice in my opinion...and mental health professionals of the right
kind can be helpful - a little at any rate. The biggest help for Dan IMHO
is that we all send him a vision of himself as CALM, STABLE, with the
Kundalini circulating normally and take off him the fear and fire that is
creating so much distress. We can do this for him simply by visualizing
his health. We all have the power to do this for each other and for the
whole planet. This is not exaggeration.. and no fantasy.
There are mantras and chants too that would help a lot more
than any mhprofessional. There are a thousand things that can be done by
people with awakened Kundalini to help others.. His judgement of the
experiences he has had is freaking out his ego and rational mind because
he views these events as shameful and not part of his self image. That is
all part of the mind.
Kundalini has no such limitations - what is IS.. what has been she can
remove in a jiffy and erase all the past if we allow it. That is not
always easy to do... allowing the clearance.. but it comes.. and what joy
to find one not bound by these structures, these limitations and
boundaries of who one is supposed to be.
As for anything NOT being related to Kundalini - I am sorry but I have to
add my bit about this. I belive that we have to have the Kundalini because
we have EGO - what is not part of the ego? Tell me this! The kundalini is
active because she is sweeping us free of the limitations that have been
imposed on us in an agreement we make to incarnate into 3rd Dimensional
space. This is as dense and dopey as it gets folks. On the other
dimensions we are fully aware of the relationship to the ONE.. we do not
need Kundalini for enlightenment.. But here we need a "jump start" if you
will to get us to WAKE out of this dense dream. I remember some days ago
someone (who was it?) wrote that Kundalini is the Planetary CHI.. and that
to me was inspired insight. Thanks.
It is FOR EARTH that we are being
awakend.. not for ourselves or for realization.. we are already awake and
already realised.. but our EGO does not know this.. that that is what is
being cleared. The Earth wants to ascend out of 3rd D. and she has
literally sprouted US.. her little Kundalini sprouts to help bring this
about.
A stupid ego which is full of misinformation and conditioned ideas
that have been given us and created by others for their agenda, MUST GO.
As Dan will attest, and so will I, this is damned uncomfortable!
BUT.. we all know it is for our good, we all agree it is to make us better
in some way we cannot even envisage often.
So EVERYTHING is included in Kundalini.. for She is the Chi of the planet
and SHE wants us to ascend with her.
By the way.. I was reading Sitchin and the ancient name for the planet was
"KI' which if you know is the Japanese word for 'Chi" (Chinese) and all
means Kundalini. So I think that connection is quite clear for my
understanding.
So Be happy my Ki Sprouts!
She loves ya.. and she is IN ya.. and you are OUTA this DELUSION if you
wanna be!
*****
Date: Sun, 11 Jan 1998 16:19:23 EST
From: Afperry <AfperryATnospamaol.com>
To: merlinATnospampnn.com
Cc: Kundalini-lATnospamexecpc.com
Subject: Shaktipat
Message-ID: <73f2f0e4.34b9375cATnospamaol.com>
Blythe wrote: What are the implications of receiving shaktipat from someone?
What obligations are accepted by the person receiving shaktipat? Do they
differ according to what the giver and the receiver expect?
Dear Blythe,
IMO shaktipat is the gift of God through the agency of another human being
i.e. Divine Mother's grace, not a human gift, and the primary commitment
should therefore be to God not guru. But that grace (like guru initiation) can
be given in various different situations ranging from the simply friendly to
an exclusive guru-disciple relationship. Might I suggest therefore that your
commitment to the donor should simply correspond to your attitude and
motivation in receiving the energy in the first place and his/her attitude in
giving it to you, as you yourself hinted. Save the real devotion for the real
Source!
Blessings,
Alan
Date: Mon, 12 Jan 1998 10:34:55 +1030
From: Susanne Macrae <smacraeATnospamcamtech.net.au>
To: kundalini-lATnospamexecpc.com
Subject: Energy Flow Query
Message-ID: <34B95E25.3F58FB48ATnospamcamtech.net.au>
Hi List,
I wonder if someone can help with this query. This morning while I was doing
the laundry, I stood over the basin as I emptied the washing machine, waiting
for it to finish emptying as I always do. The water always flows in a clockwise
direction down the drain. Today the water started flowing in a very rythmic
backwards and forward motion and then switched to clockwise. After a minute it
folded in on itself and then started again in an anti clockwise direction.
After another minute it folded in on itself again and switched direction. This
kept happening until the water had drained away.
(This reminded me of an experience with the Akashic Records. The way the
Records are
recorded is changing. Some people who have had access in the past no longer
have
access. It looked as if the Records were folding in on themselves. I think they
are going from a visual record to say a record we would experience as being held
on magnetic tape.)
Thinking this water thing very strange I decided to get out the aerial map of
the farm and check the land energy. About 18 months ago we were able to address
some land energy imbalances with copper coils. Since then we have been able to
set up an energy barrier around the farm to prevent draining and other negative
influences
On checking the map (with my pendulum) I discovered the land energy is barely
moving. This applies to our neighbours as well. About 7 months ago a new
vortex (earth chakra) formed in the creek at the back of the house. ( This
didn't appear to disrupt any other energy flow at the time.) This is about the
only energetic activity I am getting (along with enegy movement around where the
coils are placed).
Something definitely strange is afoot and I have a feeling it isn't just here.
Anyone have any ideas or suggestions?
(I am only here today and then will be gone for a week)
With love. Sue
Susanne Macrae
Phone: 61886844205
Email: smacraeATnospamcamtech.net.au
http://www.adelaide.net.au/~smacrae
Date: Sun, 11 Jan 1998 16:22:47 -0800 (PST)
From: Barbara Millikan <millikanATnospampnn.com>
To: Ann Morrison Fisher <annfisherATnospamstic.net>
Cc: kundalini-lATnospamexecpc.com
Subject: Re: Unidentified subject!
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At 04:02 AM 1/11/98 -0600, you wrote:
>Barbara Millikan <millikanATnospampnn.com> wrote:
>
>>I am a 50 year old Oregon massage therapist who continues to expand the
>>amount of kundalini energy I run. I have been running it in fits and starts
>>for years. I am finally learning to trust myself and energy enough to allow
>>it to run.
>>
>Welcome!
>
>My Jin Shin Jyutsu therapist told me, "You can't GET too much kundalini if
>your centers are open." I go to her periodically because she's able to
>check out my centers and body in general. Sounds like you're old enough
>and experienced enough - do you know someone who can check out the centers?
I am working with a woman to clear blocks. (under her name on the card it
says "awakening the snake") I seem to roar along until I run into the next
stuck place, and then whap; thud, I'm on the floor again. Do other people do
it this way?
Most of my work is in the lower three chakras.
Is there some reason I am not understanding as to why I want everything
wide open now? I mean, other than that it feels wonderful. It is my
understanding that opening this way will allow me to remain functional as my
kundalini rises...marginally so, anyway...I haven't propositioned a tree for
a least three months...
>>It often has a very strong senual [sexual?] feel in me. Does that happen
>>to everyone?
*sensual* I can spell, I just can't type.
>A friend of mine says the "Silver Rule" is: Do not allow others to do to
>you what you would not do to them."
>Ann
>
Lovely rule Ann, thank you. That certainly is a clearer statement of purpose
than the golden rule for people with co-dependent tendencies. Not *me*, of
course...
Date: Sun, 11 Jan 1998 09:20:05
From: Mystress Angelique Serpent <mistressATnospamdomin8rex.com>
To: kundalini-lATnospamexecpc.com
Subject: anonymously:Marijuana and K.?
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>Date: Sat, 10 Jan 1998 16:14:25 -0800 (PST)
>To: kundalini-l-ownerATnospamexecpc.com
>From:
>Subject: please post anonymously
>
>today a friend asked me a question that I didn't know
>the answer to, but thought the list might. I am requesting the anonymous
option.
>
>* * * * * * *
> I am wondering about the effects of marijuana on kundalini energy, and also
>how long afterwards the drug affects the aura. In my experience the
>secondary physical/physiological effects can last a week. How long does it
>take to clear it out of ones energy field?
>
>
>
Mystress Angelique Serpent,
Dominant Experiential Facilitator.
Website= http://www.domin8rex.com/serpent
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Date: Sun, 11 Jan 1998 17:53:37
From: Mystress Angelique Serpent <mistressATnospamdomin8rex.com>
To: SchrLL <SchrLLATnospamaol.com>
Cc: deliriumATnospamionet.net, kundalini-lATnospamexecpc.com
Subject: Re: genuine or delusion
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At 22:38 08/01/98 EST, SchrLL wrote:
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> YES!
>This is the place where we affirm ourselves, relate and learn how to live
with
>it. Many cases of incurable schizophrenia occur because the person 'breaking
>through' is treated like a leper and becomes so isolated from society (not by
>choice I might add), that reality can only be based more and more upon the
>unknown and strange. This in turn makes us even more different.
This is really interesting.. I am still getting a K-dump of info on
pheromones, and I had a few folks write to tell me they shared my
"outsider" experience of childhood.
K-pheromones and different life experience => perspective DO make us
different.. and folks can "smell" it, and they react to it, as a threat to
the herd.. which in turn focuses our own attention on it... it's a chicken
and egg thing.
Exactly what happened to Daniel James G. with the police. They are
trained to spot people who think they are dangerous, or who are very
paranoid of them.. coz they must be up to no good. So they frighten
paranoid folks into doing something stupid, anyways.
This is not
>necessarily delusional, only a retreat into a different reality where
>acceptance is possible and strangeness is not feared. Ideally, acceptance
>into society would be prefered.
I did not feel too comfortable in any society, till I joined with the
fringe societies of BDSM and Paganism. and Here, of course!!
I think, the isolation is part of the perfection of the process, tho. We
are challenged to give unconditional love to the self, to grow. Giving love
to the self, even in the face of rejection from society, is just another
manifestation of Lessons. We are challenged to be self reliant in our need
for approval and acceptance. To trust that Goddess loves us, and so we love
ourselves, and that is enough. To listen and heed the voice within, and not
need to hear of our worth from any other place.
> Our list provides us with a 'half-way house' so to speak. I predict mor
>and more of us will find our way here synchronistically just as 'delerium'
>and Jack above hav done. The time is NOW! Love and Light, Linda
>
Yes, it is partly from a "lighthouse spell", I cast on the list. Fueled
by the grace of Shakti. An energy beacon that shifts probabilities to
attract those who need this supportive environment, and those who have the
inclination and experience to share wisdom and love. It also makes the list
invisible to those who are not in it's highest good.
Blessings, Mystress.
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