1998/01/10 13:25
kundalini-l-d Digest V98 #26
kundalini-l-d Digest Volume 98 : Issue 26
Today's Topics:
Excuses, excuses [ Ann Morrison Fisher <annfisherATnospamstic ]
meditation(contd. from shahanshah) [ Peswani <peswaniATnospamgiaspn01.vsnl.net. ]
Illusion [ Peswani <peswaniATnospamgiaspn01.vsnl.net. ]
meditation (contd) [ Peswani <peswaniATnospamgiaspn01.vsnl.net. ]
understanding [ Peswani <peswaniATnospamgiaspn01.vsnl.net. ]
Re: Shahanshah [ Peswani <peswaniATnospamgiaspn01.vsnl.net. ]
Re: Illusion [ "Harsh K. Luthar" <hlutharATnospambryant.e ]
Re: understanding [ "Harsh K. Luthar" <hlutharATnospambryant.e ]
AutoPost from Kundalini Resource Cen [ Luis Fernández Vidaud <luislandiaATnospamh ]
Casting the First Stone [ Louis Conjar <lconjarATnospamerols.com> ]
Re: understanding [ sassiATnospamworldnet.att.net (Jack) ]
Re:genuine or delusional [ SchrLL <SchrLLATnospamaol.com> ]
Re: WHYASK [ SchrLL <SchrLLATnospamaol.com> ]
Date: Sat, 10 Jan 1998 01:06:05 -0600
From: Ann Morrison Fisher <annfisherATnospamstic.net>
To: kundalini-lATnospamlists.execpc.com
Subject: Excuses, excuses
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Hope you don't mind an occasional yuck!
>From Yucks Digest
Subject: Excuses, excuses.
>From an edition of the Washington Post -- a contest was held in which
readers were asked to come up with excuses to miss a day of work.
1. If it is all the same to you, I won't be coming in to work. The
voices told me to clean all the guns today.
2. When I got up this morning, I took two Ex-Lax in addition to my
Prozac. I can't get off the john, but I feel good about it.
3. I set half the clocks in my house ahead an hour and the other half
back an hour Saturday, and spent 18 hours in some kind of space-time
continuum loop, reliving Sunday (right up until the explosion). I was
able to exit the loop only by reversing the polarity of the power
source exactly e*log(pi) clocks in the house while simultaneously
rapping my dog on the snout with a rolled up Times. Accordingly, I will
be in late, or early.
4. My stigmata's acting up.
5. I can't come in to work today because I'll be stalking my previous
boss, who fired me for not showing up for work. OK?
6. I have a rare case of 48-hour projectile leprosy, but I know we have
that deadline to meet...
7. I am stuck in the blood pressure machine down at Wal-Mart.
8. Yes, I seem to have contracted some attention-deficit disorder and,
hey, how about them Hoyas, huh? So, I won't be able to, yes, could I
help you? No, no, I'll be sticking with Sprint, but thank you for
calling.
9. Constipation has made me a walking time bomb.
10. I just found out that I was switched at birth. Legally, I shouldn't
come to work knowing my employee records may now contain false
information.
11. The psychiatrist said it was an excellent session. He even gave
me this jaw restraint so I won't bite things when I am startled.
12. The dog ate my car keys. We're going to hitchhike to the vet.
13. My mother-in-law has come back as one of the Undead and we must track
her to her coffin to drive a stake through her heart and give her
eternal peace. One day should do it.
14. I am converting my calendar from Julian to Gregorian.
15. I am extremely sensitive to a rise in the interest rates.
16. I can't come to work today because the EPA has determined that my
house is completely surrounded by wetlands and I have to arrange for
helicopter transportation.
17. I prefer to remain an enigma.
Date: Sat, 10 Jan 1998 20:18:59 +0500 (GMT+0500)
From: Peswani <peswaniATnospamgiaspn01.vsnl.net.in>
To: WHYASK <WHYASKATnospamaol.com>
Cc: kundalini-l <kundalini-lATnospamexecpc.com>
Subject: meditation(contd. from shahanshah)
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MEDITATION
Any time during the meditation or at the start of
Suniata(vipassan) meditation if the mind is too much agitated, one should
go to observing his incoming and outgoing breath. This observing of breath
quietens the mind and then on can observe sensations in
the body.
Sometimes if a very strong karma opens, one gets agitated. One
should then continue to sit and observe the breath.
If the karma is very very strong and one finds that one loses
control every time he tries to open the karma, then one should fill in
positive emotion of love or maitry or devotion. This is in fact by-passing
the karma but not clearing it. For the time being it is okay because one
is not stroger than the karma. Things change and one does not remain weak
always. He can open up that karma when he is strong and can keep samta and
balanc e when the karma is flowering or opening.
I again remember Dan and his fear. He said that as he faces
fear,it gets stronger and he has to push it back so that he does not lose
his control. Filling in maitry or love or devotion each time dilutes this
fear karma. And the time will come when while opening this fear karma ,
along comes devotion or maitry or love as well and one can remain in
balance or samta with their help.
If one closes down his meditation with fear or any strong negative
karma , he has to open up the same karma in his next sitting. He can do
this by remembering any incident which reminds him of fear or negative
karma. And then he can proceed again. It is not necessary that one should
always open up the same karma at which he closed.
We have one consious astral body and many sub-conscious astral
bodies connected to conscious body through birth(previous life karmas)
chakras along the spinal chord to top of head. We also generate many other
chakras during our present life and these cha kras are placed in various
parts of the bodies.
Opening of a chakra always leads to flooding of emotions. I took
approxmately six months clearing one chakra (sub-conscious astral body).
It was made up of negative karmas. It caused me lots and lots of pain for
continuously six months and brought HAVOC TO MY OUTWARD LIFE AS A FRUIT OF
KARMA. My two factories were partly destroyed in fire and partly by strike
and were ultimately closed down with heavy financial losses. But I took it
upon myself clearing of that karma as more important than my finance or
factories and kept absolut balance and samta,
I HAD A FULL FAITH IN MY UNDERSTANDING OF KARMAS AND ITS SCIENCE.
LATER I SHALL WRITE ON HOW THIS UNDERSTANDING GETS AUTOMATICALLY
STRENGTHED BY FOLLOWING THIS SUNIATA MEDITATION.-
shahanshah
Date: Sat, 10 Jan 1998 20:24:46 +0500 (GMT+0500)
From: Peswani <peswaniATnospamgiaspn01.vsnl.net.in>
To: kundalini-l <kundalini-lATnospamexecpc.com>
Subject: Illusion
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illusion
Mind is everything. In one form it is madness and in other form it
is God or Devi Devta or Shahanshah. Mind is also very vast. I talk of the
mind of any and every human being. Every part of mind comes to the front (
present consciousness) by rotation. And this rotation or change is caused
by the stars in the sky. Our mind i s like a Universe and it consists of
billions of kalapas which can be compared to stars in the sky. The
formation of kalapas also varies in our body forming galaxis, nebuleas,
milkyways etc.
By persistant thought one can change ones inside universe. By
devotion to Devi Devtas(small Gods) one can become one with them and
acquire their powers. By Mantra of a particular God one can merge in Him.
By filling in fear thought one can become fear h imself. By persistant
delusional thought one can become mad.
One can go up or down in evolution by bringing in an type of
thought. But a very different thing happens when one continuously remains
thoughtless. Every person is different. He flowers as per his seed or ray
of evolution on the path of Suniata Meditation (thoughtless meditation).
I have been growing towards being SHAHANSHA slowly and steadly. A
stage came long time back when this Shahanshah mind has started prevailing
upon lower mind (ego).
The results have been obvious. Health, finance, friendship and
interaction with more persons on faith and love. This is a middle path and
this person should fit in everywhere in society and family. On this path
one can see old enemies changing into frien ds naturally. This has
happened with me. Leadership is also automatic. Shahanshah is apparently
felt alround. He is totally free from diseases and wants if he has totally
surendered to the Higher Wisdom.
AND WHEN ONE SHOUTS THE TRUTH NO NEGATIVITY IS ADDED.
EGOIST RAM HAS GROWN TO BE SHAHANSHAH AND HE CAN ANNOUNCE THIS
TRUTH AND TIME WILL NOT TAKE AWAY THIS RIGHT FROM DIVINITY AS DIVINITY IS
ALSO THE RULER OF TIME AND SPACE.
Date: Sat, 10 Jan 1998 20:48:34 +0500 (GMT+0500)
From: Peswani <peswaniATnospamgiaspn01.vsnl.net.in>
To: kundalini-l <kundalini-lATnospamexecpc.com>
Subject: meditation (contd)
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MEDITATION
Any time during the meditation or at the start of
Suniata(vipassan) meditation if the mind is too much agitated, one should
go to observing his incoming and outgoing breath. This observing of breath
quietens the mind and then on can observe sensations in
the body.
Sometimes if a very strong karma opens, one gets agitated. One
should then continue to sit and observe the breath.
If the karma is very very strong and one finds that one loses
control every time he tries to open the karma, then one should fill in
positive emotion of love or maitry or devotion. This is in fact by-passing
the karma but not clearing it. For the time being it is okay because one
is not stroger than the karma. Things change and one does not remain weak
always. He can open up that karma when he is strong and can keep samta and
balanc e when the karma is flowering or opening.
I again remember Dan and his fear. He said that as he faces
fear,it gets stronger and he has to push it back so that he does not lose
his control. Filling in maitry or love or devotion each time dilutes this
fear karma. And the time will come when while opening this fear karma ,
along comes devotion or maitry or love as well and one can remain in
balance or samta with their help.
If one closes down his meditation with fear or any strong negative
karma , he has to open up the same karma in his next sitting. He can do
this by remembering any incident which reminds him of fear or negative
karma. And then he can proceed again. It is not necessary that one should
always open up the same karma at which he closed.
We have one consious astral body and many sub-conscious astral
bodies connected to conscious body through birth(previous life karmas)
chakras along the spinal chord to top of head. We also generate many other
chakras during our present life and these cha kras are placed in various
parts of the bodies.
Opening of a chakra always leads to flooding of emotions. I took
approxmately six months clearing one chakra (sub-conscious astral body).
It was made up of negative karmas. It caused me lots and lots of pain for
continuously six months and brought HAVOC TO MY OUTWARD LIFE AS A FRUIT OF
KARMA. My two factories were partly destroyed in fire and partly by strike
and were ultimately closed down with heavy financial losses. But I took it
upon myself clearing of that karma as more important than my finance or
factories and kept absolut balance and samta,
I HAD A FULL FAITH IN MY UNDERSTANDING OF KARMAS AND ITS SCIENCE.
LATER I SHALL WRITE ON HOW THIS UNDERSTANDING GETS AUTOMATICALLY
STRENGTHED BY FOLLOWING THIS SUNIATA MEDITATION.-
Shahanshah
Date: Sat, 10 Jan 1998 20:55:43 +0500 (GMT+0500)
From: Peswani <peswaniATnospamgiaspn01.vsnl.net.in>
To: kundalini-l <kundalini-lATnospamexecpc.com>
Subject: understanding
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UNDERSTANDING
Initially when l started on this path of Suniata meditation,
doubts about the efficacy of this method will enter my mind, thereby
disturbing my meditation. The thoughts of doubt will rush in the empty
space created in mind, thereby stopping the progress.
Initaially I had a lot of doubts for example:
1) What is good,what is bad?
2) Why am i here?
3) God is or God is not? Is it evolution?
4) What nature of a person will take a person to highest evolution?
etc.etc. There were many many doubts that came in between.
But later I understood that a persistant and forceful thought of
doubt is always answered by some intelligence from higher plane. Again and
again this happened on this way of meditation. I came to know that this is
also a type of meditation. In Buddhism it is called PRAGYA MEDITATION. It
is WISDOM flowing in at the deepest level of mind. And this WISDOM will
always come in front of the thought of doubt (doubt being at superficial
level) and stop the thought of doubt.
Every doubt resulted in the end in WISDOM. This would clear my
immediate obstacle and i would proceed on the path of purification till
the next doubt came. This must have happened hundred of times.
TODAY I HAVE ANSWERS TO MANY MYSTERIES OF NATURE TO MY
SATISFACTION, THOUGH THEY MIGHT NOT BE SUITABLE ANSWERS FOR OTHERS.
By now I have talked about three types of meditations that I
followed and I shall summarise the same:
1) Concentration.... By remaining aware of incoming and outgoing
breath without trying to interfere the natrual rythem to still the mind so
that sensations can be observed by-passing the thoughts.
2)Suniata Meditation...By remaining aware of sensations througout
the body. Extreme sensation takes the first priority and is normally
conected with the current thought.
3)Pragya Meditation... Taking up a doubt thought and sitting with
it till the doubt is answered from INSIDE.
I strongly understand that all energy movements named Kundalini
energy are a stong sensations of old karmas. When a person is too full of
karmas , and they are all being tossed by time and Universe (astrology is
based on this), they cause kundalini effe ct through birth and other
chakras. These k-energy movements if looked withe devotion and love will
result in temporary worldly happiness , peace or prosperity. They will
also result in temporary halt in heaven(Devachan) planes after death till
rebirth. But to jump to higher evolution (thro
Nirvana) is only possible by Suniata meditation.
One can evolve as per his seed or ray only if higher energy guides. If
you are naturally guided to devotion or love as per your seed or ray , can
this end in Moksh (release from life and death), otherwise it is not the
right path for you.
With Moksh one merges in SHIVA(nature).
With Nirvan one merges in SHAKTI(God of evolution)
At the end of Brahma cycle both merge in each other and duality ends.
Shahanshah
Date: Sat, 10 Jan 1998 20:38:28 +0500 (GMT+0500)
From: Peswani <peswaniATnospamgiaspn01.vsnl.net.in>
To: DyngDogman <DyngDogmanATnospamaol.com>
Cc: kundalini-lATnospamexecpc.com
Subject: Re: Shahanshah
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On Sat, 10 Jan 1998, DyngDogman wrote:
> Greetings to everyone.
>
> I am relatively new to the list and have for the last week simply been
> watching the messages getting a feel for the group. I hope i have not
> offended anyone by not being social from the beginning. I feel that you are
> going to be a supportive and helpful group.
>
> On reading Shahansha's message regarding Karmas, i have this question. How
> does one find out if he has the "deep and dangerous" Karma?
>
> I am glad to make the acquaintance of the group and look forward to a long and
> productive friendship with the members.
>
> Peace,
>
> Mikey
>
Shahanshah writes... Bad kundalini is in fact cause of deep and
dangerous karma. I am including here a page from my old diary on how
karmas are formed. A continuous wrong deed or wrong thought( which has
harmed
the evolution greatly) creates deep and dangerous karma. If you continue
to hate something for years and years or if you are continuously angry on
one or the other thing creates a deep and
dangerous karma.
Page from a diary....
Today, the date is 27th Jan ' 95. Approx. 2.5 years have passed
since I started meditation. I have come across a lot of obstacles, both
from outside and from inside. But certain thinkings or thoughts from
Buddhic plane that I have received have helped m e to cross these
obstacles and I am continuing my present method of meditation which I had
picked up from U. Ba khin Journal and vipassana meditation method at
Igatpuri. They helped me more than Gurus.
Those thoughts were:
1) As told by Guatam Budha , our body has billions of kalapas
spread over throughout the complete body. These kalapas are not visible by
any modern science methods, but Guatam Budha due to his intense meditation
and development of third eye could see t hrough and measure the size of
kalapa .He has given this size as 1/46456 th of a dust particle which is
ground by repeated driving under wheel of a chariot.
2) That these kalapas die and are reborn b illions of times in a
second. These kalapas are always born with field force of the type of
thought as well as the strength of this force is propotional to the
intensity of the thought.
When we concentrate inside our body , this change in kalapas can
be observed in the form of sensations or pain , heat cold etc,etc. Normaly
meditation means to be a seer (observer) of thoughts , emotions etc.
inside oneself. But what happens that we get involved in the thought or
emotion and instead of being a seer , we may multiply the intensity of the
thought. This does not happen when we are observing the sensations. So
that becomes easier method of meditation.
Now our whole body from top to toe is full of these kalapas of
various emotions . As a seer when we observe them they can cause pain or
joy as fruit . This also gives us an idea by which we can change our
nature. If we are hating some object at a cert ain instant , keeping that
object in front of our mind , we instead start filling in love or maitry.
Sometimes this may be difficult to do as mind may not obey but if our will
power is more than the force of hatred, we will succeed. Even if we fail
in our first attempt , we will be able to weaken the force of hatred .
Second attempt will bring in success.
In fact the laws of nature keep complete record of our thoughts
and actions through these kalapas and we automatically keep record of our
karmas. We then go through the fruits of these karmas and slowly learn
right from wrong. Our body of kalapas is l ike a modern day computer.
computer runs on electrons in intgrated circuits , But our mind computer
runs on seven colours of light rays instead of two types of electrons that
is positrons and electrons in modern day computers. Moreover our body
computer runs on kalapas which are much smaller than electrons and is
multi layered. Moreover it is conected to chain of super computers which
are given different names . These names are Physical, Astral , Lower
mental , higher mental , buddhic atmic etc. bodi es consisting of even
finer than kalapas particles.It can be rightly said that our body computer
is billion times better to any super computers of today.
All these bodies have entrance door in the form of chakras. All
kundalini people understand these chakras. Each time we become a seer ,we
purify one of our bodies. When all the kalapas of first body are purified
sitting in meditation , one starts seeing
the next body and the purification of next body starts. This is what is
called trascending to next plane . Budhic enlightment takes one to eighth
plane One becomes free from birth in human life after fourth plane.
When a person has almost completely purified first four bodies, he
either becomes an arhant or adopts a way of bodhisattva by way of
compassion. Arhant after death will not come back to human birth but will
have new bodies in the form of causal , buddhic
and atmic.
Bodhisattvas has the option to come to human life and practice
compassion.
Shahanshah
Date: Sat, 10 Jan 1998 11:45:30 -0500
From: "Harsh K. Luthar" <hlutharATnospambryant.edu>
To: Peswani <peswaniATnospamgiaspn01.vsnl.net.in>
Cc: kundalini-l <kundalini-lATnospamexecpc.com>
Subject: Re: Illusion
Message-Id: <34B7A5AA.708DATnospamacad.bryant.edu>
Dear Peswani,
The desire to be this and that (Shahanashah or something else and shout
it to the world) itself is the root of illusion. In whatever way and by
whatever meditation method one can still the mind that is good. Even
the desire for liberation ultimately becomes a hinderance as it is only
a concept. Words may be eloquent, concepts may be beautiful, abstract
and complex, but what is the use of holding on to them. They only
prolong the delusion. We want to be this and we want to be that, but
giving up this and that we realize We ARE. No need to make it more
complex.
Harsha
Peswani wrote:
>
> illusion
>
> Mind is everything. In one form it is madness and in other form it
> is God or Devi Devta or Shahanshah. Mind is also very vast. I talk of the
> mind of any and every human being. Every part of mind comes to the front (
> present consciousness) by rotation. And this rotation or change is caused
> by the stars in the sky. Our mind i s like a Universe and it consists of
> billions of kalapas which can be compared to stars in the sky. The
> formation of kalapas also varies in our body forming galaxis, nebuleas,
> milkyways etc.
> By persistant thought one can change ones inside universe. By
> devotion to Devi Devtas(small Gods) one can become one with them and
> acquire their powers. By Mantra of a particular God one can merge in Him.
> By filling in fear thought one can become fear h imself. By persistant
> delusional thought one can become mad.
> One can go up or down in evolution by bringing in an type of
> thought. But a very different thing happens when one continuously remains
> thoughtless. Every person is different. He flowers as per his seed or ray
> of evolution on the path of Suniata Meditation (thoughtless meditation).
> I have been growing towards being SHAHANSHA slowly and steadly. A
> stage came long time back when this Shahanshah mind has started prevailing
> upon lower mind (ego).
> The results have been obvious. Health, finance, friendship and
> interaction with more persons on faith and love. This is a middle path and
> this person should fit in everywhere in society and family. On this path
> one can see old enemies changing into frien ds naturally. This has
> happened with me. Leadership is also automatic. Shahanshah is apparently
> felt alround. He is totally free from diseases and wants if he has totally
> surendered to the Higher Wisdom.
>
> AND WHEN ONE SHOUTS THE TRUTH NO NEGATIVITY IS ADDED.
> EGOIST RAM HAS GROWN TO BE SHAHANSHAH AND HE CAN ANNOUNCE THIS
> TRUTH AND TIME WILL NOT TAKE AWAY THIS RIGHT FROM DIVINITY AS DIVINITY IS
> ALSO THE RULER OF TIME AND SPACE.
Date: Sat, 10 Jan 1998 12:22:11 -0500
From: "Harsh K. Luthar" <hlutharATnospambryant.edu>
To: Peswani <peswaniATnospamgiaspn01.vsnl.net.in>
Cc: kundalini-l <kundalini-lATnospamexecpc.com>
Subject: Re: understanding
Message-Id: <34B7AE43.471AATnospamacad.bryant.edu>
Peswani wrote:
>
> UNDERSTANDING
>
> > I strongly understand that all energy movements named Kundalini
> energy are a stong sensations of old karmas. >
Harsha: Your understanding is correct in this instance. What else would
they be? Kundalini contains the massive force of the Unconscious where
all latent impressions reside.
snip....
But to jump to higher evolution (thro
> Nirvana) is only possible by Suniata meditation.
Harsha writes: Why limit Consciousness to one form of practice. This is
not true understanding. It shows a strong bias.
> One can evolve as per his seed or ray only if higher energy guides. If
> you are naturally guided to devotion or love as per your seed or ray , can
> this end in Moksh (release from life and death), otherwise it is not the
> right path for you.
> With Moksh one merges in SHIVA(nature).
> With Nirvan one merges in SHAKTI(God of evolution)
> At the end of Brahma cycle both merge in each other and duality ends.
Harsha writes: You separate Moksha from Nirvana as being different. They
are both the same and indicate a non-dual state. It is easy to become
confused in the jungle of concepts, abstractions and terminology.
Throwing them all away, the aspirant should remain Fully Conscious of
Divinity in what ever way He/She finds the easiest. There is No One
Right Way.There is No One Right Method. The Rays of the Sun find
everyone if one only comes out in the Open Space.
Harsha
Date: Sat, 10 Jan 1998 08:05:42 -1000 (HST)
From: Luis Fernández Vidaud <luislandiaATnospamhotmail.com>
To: kundalini-lATnospamexecpc.com
Subject: AutoPost from Kundalini Resource Center
Message-Id: <199801101805.IAA29646ATnospamhaleakala.aloha.net>
Do you have any accounts of a "kundalini awakening of the mind" or of a "resuscitation of the soul"? Such things as soul-to-mind-resuscitations. Perhaps you know of somebody who was able to give an accurate and complete account of his or her experiences where he experienced expansion and capacitation of consciousness. - Luis Fernández Vidaud, Wollankstr. 35, D-13359 Berlin - Germany
Date: Sat, 10 Jan 1998 13:19:21 -0500
From: Louis Conjar <lconjarATnospamerols.com>
To: kundalini-lATnospamexecpc.com
Subject: Casting the First Stone
Message-ID: <34B7BBA9.4623ATnospamerols.com>
Dear fellow klist members,
Recent exchanges on this list have caused me consider the dynamics of,
and the difficulties of, interacting with others - whether via mailing
lists such as this or in face to face contact. I originally planned to
respond to one of the members of this list in a private e-mail
concerning a reply to one of my postings but, while composing my reply,
it occurred to me that this is an important topic which I wanted to
relate to others outside the list.
Therefore, I decided to add it as a web page at my site in the
"Commentaries" section. Please don't take this as a veiled excuse to
promote my site because that is certainly not what is intended. I just
don't know how to attach it to this e-mail and, since it is quite long,
do not really want to re-type the whole thing. I value the mail I
receive here daily and hope that my latest page shows that. If you are
interested in seeing my thoughts on the difficulties we face while
trying to help each other through communication such as this, please see
the commentary entitled "Casting The First Stone" at
www.deimarket.com/p0000191.htm
Thanks for the stimulating exchanges.
--
Louis Conjar - Dynamic Expansion Institute, Inc.
"All Your Spiritual and Financial Needs In One Place"
lconjarATnospamerols.com - http://www.deimarket.com
410-385-9500 - fax 410-654-9587
Date: Sat, 10 Jan 1998 19:02:01 GMT
From: sassiATnospamworldnet.att.net (Jack)
To: kundalini-lATnospamexecpc.com
Subject: Re: understanding
Message-ID: <34bfc5a6.18664891ATnospammailhost.worldnet.att.net>
But to jump to higher evolution (thro Nirvana) is only possible by
Suniata meditation.
I don't like this.When in Catholic Parachial School in the '50's
they told us Jews and Protestants could not enter heaven unless they
converted. This statement smacks of the same stuff.
Jack
Date: Sat, 10 Jan 1998 15:10:33 EST
From: SchrLL <SchrLLATnospamaol.com>
To: kundalini-lATnospamexecpc.com
Subject: Re:genuine or delusional
Message-ID: <2a327529.34b7d5b9ATnospamaol.com>
In a message dated 98-01-08 22:54:31 EST, you write:
> In a message dated 98-01-08 21:52:09 EST, you IcomjanATnospamerols.com wrote:
>
> > My Kundalini Awakening had been incredibly robust and
> > continual for almost a year before I found "The Stormy Search For The
> > Self" by the Grofs. That made me think that perhaps it was Kundalini
> > (which I had never heard of before). When I found Bonnie Greenwell's
> > "Energies of Transformation: A Guide to the Kundalini Process" and saw
> > that I had experienced almost every single "symptom" she had outlined,
> > including Samahdi, there was no longer any doubt.
> > --
> ATnospam->->--
> I believe many of us have had very stormy awakenings, but thanks to 'those
> who have gone before', many will follow who will find the path much easier.
> The healthier we become, the easier it will be for those who follow to find
> the Path. Our sharing makes that possible. One thing I am firmly convinced
> of
> is that making as much of this material conscious and verbalizing what we
> are
> feeling, will be as magical as sharing communion at church on Sunday. Cha,
> cha, cha!
> Love and Light, Linda
>
>
Date: Sat, 10 Jan 1998 15:19:27 EST
From: SchrLL <SchrLLATnospamaol.com>
To: kundalini-lATnospamexecpc.com
Subject: Re: WHYASK
Message-ID: <3218902c.34b7d7dbATnospamaol.com>
In a message dated 98-01-08 23:33:10 EST, you write:
> Linda,
> Who are we loved by?
> Christine
ATnospam->->--
What a wonderful question. I have felt the Bliss and when I entered samahdi,
I felt so much love that I was completely overwhelmed. But when I actually saw
this wonderful Light in person and felt the love again, I have no doubt that
God is totally loving. If you want to hear more about my experiences, let me
know. Ask specific questions. OK?
Love and Light, Linda
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