1998/01/09 02:37
kundalini-l-d Digest V98 #22
kundalini-l-d Digest Volume 98 : Issue 22
Today's Topics:
Re: Re. Summary [ Louis Conjar <lconjarATnospamerols.com> ]
Re: Summary [ Louis Conjar <lconjarATnospamerols.com> ]
RE: DRUG POLL [ TGarland <TGarlandATnospamVIPMail.com> ]
RE: Drug Poll [ TGarland <TGarlandATnospamVIPMail.com> ]
Re: My awakening [ "Gloria Lee" <samyanaATnospamhotmail.com> ]
Re: Scientific Wonders [ DLT <LepidoliteATnospamworldnet.att.net> ]
Re: genuine or delusion [ SchrLL <SchrLLATnospamaol.com> ]
Re: Drug Poll [ SchrLL <SchrLLATnospamaol.com> ]
Re: Drug Poll [ SchrLL <SchrLLATnospamaol.com> ]
sacred kundalini [ Solar Lion <gtaATnospamcwnet.com> ]
Re: leaving [ anandajyoti <anandajyotiATnospamgeocities. ]
The Secret Divine [ lvdsATnospamstdin.gatelink.fr.net (Laurent ]
Re: Drug Poll [ parry <parryijATnospamacay.com.au> ]
Re: Spine chills... [ "Sen Ashanka"<sashankaATnospamaismi.ais.it ]
Re: Re. Summary [ "Sen Ashanka"<sashankaATnospamaismi.ais.it ]
Re: Re. Summary [ "Sen Ashanka"<sashankaATnospamaismi.ais.it ]
Date: Thu, 08 Jan 1998 21:52:24 -0500
From: Louis Conjar <lconjarATnospamerols.com>
To: Daniel James Giszczak <danjgATnospamengin.umich.edu>
CC: Afperry <AfperryATnospamaol.com>, Kundalini-lATnospamexecpc.com
Subject: Re: Re. Summary
Message-ID: <34B590E8.34ABATnospamerols.com>
Daniel James Giszczak wrote:
>
> > Dan, that has to be the saddest statement I have heard from anybody for a very
> > long time, whether referring to kundalini or anything else. Living is learning
> > and loving. How can you ever stop learning unless you deliberately block
> > yourself off?
> > Open your mind, Dan, then your heart will follow!
> Do you have something to teach me? I'm listening. Most people on
> the list just argue with each other about things they will never agree on
> or have trouble agreeing on. Nobody teaches much.
> Dan
Everyone is a teacher. Everyone is a student.
--
Louis Conjar - Dynamic Expansion Institute, Inc.
"All Your Spiritual and Financial Needs In One Place"
lconjarATnospamerols.com - http://www.deimarket.com
410-385-9500 - fax 410-654-9587
Date: Thu, 08 Jan 1998 21:56:56 -0500
From: Louis Conjar <lconjarATnospamerols.com>
To: Mike Stickles <msticklesATnospamantalys.com>
CC: kundalini-lATnospamexecpc.com
Subject: Re: Summary
Message-ID: <34B591F8.7D4AATnospamerols.com>
Mike Stickles wrote:
>
> Dan,
>
> "When the student is ready, the teacher will appear."
> If you are not learning, ask yourself, "Am I ready?"
>
> Not all teachers lecture.
> Some wait to be asked.
> If you have something you need to know, ask.
> If you have nothing you need to know, why worry?
> If you don't know what it is you need to know,
> Then perhaps you are not ready to learn it yet.
>
> All of us learn in our own ways,
> And in our own time.
> What to you is pointless arguing
> Is to some an amusing distraction
> And to still others the stuff of learning.
>
> Seek for your own fountains of knowledge,
> Wherever they may be.
> But do not proclaim a fountain dry,
> Just because you get no water from it.
> That which parches your tongue
> May quench the thirst of your neighbor.
>
> - Mike
Perfectly stated.
--
Louis Conjar - Dynamic Expansion Institute, Inc.
"All Your Spiritual and Financial Needs In One Place"
lconjarATnospamerols.com - http://www.deimarket.com
410-385-9500 - fax 410-654-9587
Date: Thu, 8 Jan 1998 20:40:05 -0500
From: TGarland <TGarlandATnospamVIPMail.com>
To: "'Roberto Gonzales del Valle'" <rgvgATnospamhotmail.com>,
"kundalini-lATnospamexecpc.com" <kundalini-lATnospamexecpc.com>
Subject: RE: DRUG POLL
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Roberto,
Something that worked for me:
Look inside the body. Where does the anxiety lie? Find it. Does it move? How big is it? What shape is it? For me, I was pacing back and forth, so I looked for what was moving the legs. I felt pulses moving in my body, found the anxiety, etc. As I looked at it, it disappeared. (Amazing!) This took me about 5 - 10 minutes. Then I sat and meditated. I was able to focus very well.
My original state was very high energy but not manic.
Hope this helps.
Teresa
-----Original Message-----
From: Roberto Gonzales del Valle [SMTP:rgvgATnospamhotmail.com]
Sent: Thursday, January 08, 1998 8:18 PM
To: kundalini-lATnospamexecpc.com
Subject: RE: DRUG POLL
Hello:
Sometimes when my thoughts start runnig faster than i can handle i yake
downers such as Valium and Diazepan to slow my mind down so i can
interact with others and be more grounded. Any sugestions on how to
throw the pills to the toilet, because as good as they may seem i know
they don´t do me any good at all.
Thanks.
Roberto
Lima, Peru.
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Date: Thu, 8 Jan 1998 22:24:18 -0500
From: TGarland <TGarlandATnospamVIPMail.com>
To: "'SchrLL'" <SchrLLATnospamaol.com>,
"kundalini-lATnospamexecpc.com"
<kundalini-lATnospamexecpc.com>
Subject: RE: Drug Poll
Message-ID: <01BD1C84.A3CB1C60ATnospamroc1758lap>
I was taking Prozac for panic attacks. The day after the first K vibrations started in my body, I woke up knowing that I didn't need them anymore.
Teresa
-----Original Message-----
From: SchrLL [SMTP:SchrLLATnospamaol.com]
Sent: Wednesday, January 07, 1998 9:21 PM
To: merlinATnospampnn.com
Cc: kundalini-lATnospamexecpc.com
Subject: Re: Drug Poll
> >---Jack wrote:
>
> >> I for one, would like to take a confidential poll as to how many of us
> >> are on any kind of medications, especially anti-depressants or
> >> painkillers. I think not many.
> >>
> >> Jack
ATnospam->->--
No drugs here, I'm high on the 'Natch'. Threw my pills down the toilet years
ago. I got to feeling so good the pills were a downer! :)<
Love and Light, Linda
Date: Thu, 08 Jan 1998 19:40:32 PST
From: "Gloria Lee" <samyanaATnospamhotmail.com>
To: kundalini-lATnospamexecpc.com, danjgATnospamengin.umich.edu
Subject: Re: My awakening
Message-ID: <19980109034033.27870.qmailATnospamhotmail.com>
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Dan...you are very courageous to be willing to share your story with us
I have carefully read your file, and I would recommend that anyone on
the list really should also read your account before discussing bits and
pieces of info without a more complete understanding. Dan, I am only an
MA level therapist and Not an MD psychiatrist, or PHD. I find it rather
appalling that you have been treated in this manner and given so little
help to understand what has happened to you. Also, I am aware that you
most certainly seem to prefer to believe otherwise than the diagnosis
you were given in the hospital. However, I do wish to see if you are
aware of the similarities of mania..forms of mind-racing..(often
episodes are triggered by stress, sleep deprivation is a real good way
to bring on an episode)...with experiences sometimes described as
altered states of awareness such as by persons active on the list here.
You experienced the trauma of this sexual assault by the very person who
also scared you with the suggestion of psychic thoughts controlling
others and events. PLease listen to this one thing if nothing else that
I say, ok?? There is a difference.. altered states of awareness may be
labelled as psychotic delusions OR called awakenings...(but just as an
LSD trip may perhaps inspire someone to pursue enlightenment.. because
their mind has opened to new possibilities). No Matter what IT IS
CALLED, your experience is still valid as YOUR experience..and it is
very valuable to you.. however, trying to control your sanity by
controlling what concepts you believe in will NOT work..I would like to
try to help you. I am not here to judge you or convince you to believe
in my views. Given that you are so very intelligent, have you not out
of curiosity alone read up on bi-polar disorder and the various
symptoms??? Or is all your info just what you were told?? If you prefer
not to discuss more details on the open list..please let me know. I
will keep all our discussion confidential. But since you have already
made your account available to the entire list, I am posting my inital
response here. I would like to know what medications you were given and
when and why they were stopped?? Are you still afraid to talk to any
mental health professional about your experiences?? In what way do you
anticipate the members of this list may support or help you??
The Spiritual Emergence Network has done a lot to sort out spiritual and
mental health issues.. 2 books by Christina Grof are helpful. You will
be the one to decide what you believe may be helpful to you, Dan.
Try to begin by being as well-informed as you can become..premature
closure to the decision process will not serve you well.. surely you do
see the danger of a recurrence of this landing you back in hospital??
There are many wise and very caring and kind souls on this list..let us
try to help you over time. But, first, Dan, please do slow down.. get
regular sleep..take care of your health...let people love you...do not
worry about figuring this all out at once... take all the time you need
or want.. there is no need to rush..ok??
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Date: Thu, 08 Jan 1998 21:44:55 -0600
From: DLT <LepidoliteATnospamworldnet.att.net>
To: Daniel James Giszczak <danjgATnospamengin.umich.edu>
CC: Ruth Trimble <trimbleATnospamhawaii.edu>, kundalini-lATnospamlists.execpc.com
Subject: Re: Scientific Wonders
Message-ID: <34B59D37.209BATnospamworldnet.att.net>
Daniel James Giszczak wrote:
>
> I believe I understand kundalini scientifically. I have not read
> Bentov's paper yet, but I would like to compare my explanation his. I
> include something about the reason why the system of a genius is more
> fragile than others' and why kundalini may lead to genius. I would like
> to give this explanation, but it does not seem that this list is open to
> scientific explanations since I have yet to get a supportive word for my
> scientific thoughts.
> DanHi all,
Can't resist. I find this "serendipity" very amusing. It seems
as those on the list arguing for scientific "proof" have attracted these
scientific thoughts. Dan, I have to say you are very strong-willed.
But, I like you. You don't seem to "huff & puff", but are gentle. But,
good grief, you sure have stirred up a bee's nest.
Date: Thu, 8 Jan 1998 22:38:39 EST
From: SchrLL <SchrLLATnospamaol.com>
To: deliriumATnospamionet.net
Cc: kundalini-lATnospamexecpc.com
Subject: Re: genuine or delusion
Message-ID: <a67cde0d.34b59bc0ATnospamaol.com>
In a message dated 98-01-08 13:38:11 EST, you write:
>
> > Jack wrote:
> >
> > The kicker for me was not having heard about any of this until it
> > happened to me. Found this list and was amazed that all had similar
> > experiences, to the point that I could expect what was coming next.
> > That was validation to me, salvation actually. And a hell of a lot of
> > fun to boot : )>
> >
> > Delirium writes:
>
> Yes, that is consistent with my experience as well. I was just poking
> around on the internet the day that my first really strong experience
> occurred and veritably stumbled across "Kundalini awakening"...and the
> "symptoms" were familiar.
>
> Cool enough for me!--D
>
ATnospam->->--
YES!
This is the place where we affirm ourselves, relate and learn how to live with
it. Many cases of incurable schizophrenia occur because the person 'breaking
through' is treated like a leper and becomes so isolated from society (not by
choice I might add), that reality can only be based more and more upon the
unknown and strange. This in turn makes us even more different. This is not
necessarily delusional, only a retreat into a different reality where
acceptance is possible and strangeness is not feared. Ideally, acceptance
into society would be prefered.
Our list provides us with a 'half-way house' so to speak. I predict mor
and more of us will find our way here synchronistically just as 'delerium'
and Jack above hav done. The time is NOW! Love and Light, Linda
Date: Thu, 8 Jan 1998 23:09:53 EST
From: SchrLL <SchrLLATnospamaol.com>
To: sassiATnospamWORLDNET.ATT.NET
Cc: kundalini-lATnospamexecpc.com
Subject: Re: Drug Poll
Message-ID: <40d0d418.34b5a318ATnospamaol.com>
In a message dated 98-01-08 00:20:10 EST, you write:
> ATnospam->->--
> No drugs here, I'm high on the 'Natch'. Threw my pills down the toilet
> years ago. I got to feeling so good the pills were a downer!
>
> Me too ! Dumped 'em all last October. It's a lot of fun, ain't it ?
>
> Jack
>
ATnospam->->-- Thaaaaat's Life! Cha, Cha, Cha!
Just remember, we are still mortals and life will still throw us some curve
balls occcasionally. But.......no matter what, we are loved. Love and Light,
Linda
Date: Thu, 8 Jan 1998 23:51:03 EST
From: SchrLL <SchrLLATnospamaol.com>
To: adrienne45ATnospamHotmail.com
Cc: kundalini-lATnospamexecpc.com
Subject: Re: Drug Poll
Message-ID: <94207b26.34b5acb8ATnospamaol.com>
In a message dated 98-01-08 09:12:26 EST, you write:
>
> I used to take all kinds of prescription medication for depression. It
> is pure poison!!! Now, I'm in a clinical study for buspar (very mild)
> anti-anxiety drug which is a serontonin reuptake agent. Good stuff.
> Other than that, I'm all for herbs and vitamins for moods and health
> stuff.
>
I think Jack is taking the poll. Problem is I changed the heading to make it
more explicit.
However, I did at one time take the antidepressant, Trasnxene. I told the
doctor I needed something to filter out the psychic messages because there
were too many and they were too strong, knocking me off center and creating
too much anxiety. Wonder of wonders, he understood! That stuff worked pretty
good. Since then I have changed my slifestyle and I no longer take it.
Love and Light, Linda
Date: Thu, 08 Jan 1998 21:11:00 -0800
From: Solar Lion <gtaATnospamcwnet.com>
To: <kundalini-lATnospamlists.execpc.com>
Subject: sacred kundalini
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greetings
at this htm you will find a discussion of
Siddha Siddhanta Paddhati a which may serve to
better show kundalini / shakti
relationship to the all and other energies
http://www.clas.ufl.edu/users/gthursby/tantra/siddha.htm
Solar Lion (Bob)
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Date: Thu, 08 Jan 1998 21:23:25 -0800
From: anandajyoti <anandajyotiATnospamgeocities.com>
To: Daniel James Giszczak <danjgATnospamengin.umich.edu>,
"kundalini-lATnospamexecpc.com" <kundalini-lATnospamexecpc.com>,
"heartzenATnospamlistserv.servtech.com" <heartzenATnospamlistserv.servtech.com>
CC: Druout <DruoutATnospamaol.com>
Subject: Re: leaving
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Daniel James Giszczak wrote:
> My mind is closing for more than one reason. Read my "awakening."
> I'm not sure I belong here.
> Dan
Hello Dan!
I have been reading the posts on yourself. Purpose of my life as I experience it, is
to come from my heart. All humans, either Saints or Sinners all work primarily from
three Lower Chakras of the Kundalini System. The Kundalini is awakened in all from
our very birth, other wise, we would not have the fears nor the sexual appetite, nor
the craving for domination, which are all the characteristics of our operation from
the three lower chakras. Yes we all can transform our fears into courage, to face
ourselves, our sexual appetite can be satisfied not through lust but Love, and our
craving to be one up than any other can also be transformed, with equal respects for
the views of others, in a spirit of harmony. These transformational qualities are
not found in animal species, other than us humans.
Infinite are the ways of the Divine, why is it that way is still an enigma for
mankind. Each of us whether the pariah or the priest, saint or sinner, fool or a
genius, or many of the opposites by which mankind differentiates one human from the
other, are a ray of the same Divine. Each of us are born with various
predispositions, are conditioned from the cradle to grave, in various ways, that is
why the individuals are different. Just like the five fingers on our hands are not
the same shape or size, but together they can function effectively through harmony.
I guess that will entail each of us to act from the head and heart together, to
create that harmony in each our lives.
Discussion is healthy, to arrive at and work on commonalties, rather than our
differences, to create that harmony. If we are different , so be it, there is no
right or wrong perspective, each have their own. So What!
Each in our time and place would surely be at the same place where we all want to
be.
Health, Happiness, Security are the main issues in the world today, when these are
fulfilled, then our consciousness expands to find that, within ourselves, which
creates the harmony within our species.
Oppositions always exists side by side with solutions. Without friction, can there
be any motion?
So, just be yourself, and by your choice, be what you are.
In my experience, spirituality is the manifestation of the Divinity within us all.
Anandajyoti
http://www.geocities.com/Athens/ Forum/6782
Date: Thu, 08 Jan 98 23:52:35 +0100
From: lvdsATnospamstdin.gatelink.fr.net (Laurent Cas)
To: kundalini-lATnospamexecpc.com
Subject: The Secret Divine
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Hello,
in Kundalini mail list, Ruth Trimble wrote:
>
> Hi Gloria:
> Thanks you for posting this message from Gene:
> I have to concur with this wholely.
> >>> He says: People generally think that Soma means the sacred mushroom
> or some
> > other mind-altering drug. Scholars like Dr. Watson, Dr. Grof, etc.,
> > think that the Rig Veda is referring to a psychedelic plant, such as
> > comes from the Hom tree, or the sacred mushroom. But that is the
> > exoteric teaching. They do not know about the esoteric meaning, which
> > refers only to the initiated, and means the transformed seed, the retas,
> > which flows upward into the brain and fuels ones consciousness.
> This is true in the Upanishads too... there is huge misunderstanding and I
> have told many people it is the soma that drips onto the back of the
> tongue and they look at me as if I am nuts.. but thank goodness this is
> getting out. Thanks for posting this. Thanks.
Ruth, please could you explain this as i would like to compare to mine
which drips in my mouth. I want to be sure we really talks about the
same thing. Mine seems to relate to the way i breathe and have a deep
connection to prana and to the light i visualise flowing inside of me,
and flowing through the chakras, and radiating to aura.
Please, could you define the word "soma" as well as the process?
(and send me an email copy so i can read it before my mail-list pointer
will be update)
Namaste',
Laurent.
>
> > It is because this esoteric knowledge has been withheld from the
> > people by New Age gurus, teachers, writers, etc., that the New Age
> > Movement has stalled and has become stagnant.
> Well your New Age movement may be, but mine isn't! Ha aha... The real
> gurus have gone on to their abodes.. that is why.. they had a window to
> teach in and then they had to go.. sort of 70-89... It seems that way
> anyway.
>
> This silence has to be
> > broken if there is to be any progress in the 21st Century.
> There is no silence here.. I disagree with Gene here.. I cannot say this
> list is silent and you all know I spout off all over the place. Look at
> Mystress Angelique for heaven's sake wanting to go on TV. It is not
> so much a silence as that without the experience people could never
> imagine such a thing.. and I would say it is up to the people like us on
> this list and at KRC to start spreading the word. All this was sacred
> secret knowledge only 50 years ago.. forbidden to be told.
>
> HOWEVER, even if those who have not had this experience never have it and
> cannot understand it.. WE - yes the K-ites - have had this experience and
> we have the creative intelligence that will carry with it ALL the ones who
> have not experienced it. I believe in the 100th monkey effect.. there is
> something that occurs when enough people are at a certain vibratory rate
> then the whole species begins to vibrate at that rate.. the Hopi say
> that 144,000 is all that is needed to be awake; Hopi and the Maya
> and a few other ancient peoples who have maintained the memory of the
> history of our species say this. It is
> very new age concept but be thankful for it for there have come many
> blessings out of the Harmonic Convergence consciousness raising efforts in
> 1987.
>
> > Once Urdhava-retas occurs, the subject can then blossom into a genius,
> > a poet, a world-teacher. That is really what Kundalini is all about.
> > But this knowledge is being withheld for political and religious
> reasons.
>
> Who is withholding it... I wonder if anyone knows this? I do believe in a
> conspiracy to keep people ignorant and misinformed by greedy economic
> forces... but is anyone actually withholding the knowledge of K? How
> could they? The forces that held this in secret for so many centuries
> no longer are doing this. As my guru said, he was given a mandate to come
> to the West and tell as many souls as possible and so were many other
> gurus. It hardly seems like there is withholding now. Do you agree with
> this Gloria?
> Thanks for the post. ANy idea how to get their mailings.. they do not
> answer my mail.
> Ruth
>
> ******
> Love allows freedom. Drop the idea that attachment and love are the same
> thing. They are enemies. It is attachment that destroys love. (Osho)
> ----------------------------------------------------------------------
>
Amicalement,
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Date: Fri, 09 Jan 98 17:16:43 PST
From: parry <parryijATnospamacay.com.au>
To: kundalini-lATnospamexecpc.com
Cc: Steve <parryijATnospamacay.com.au>
Subject: Re: Drug Poll
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Steve here,
Since K started, I have tried many drugs, Anti-psychotics,
anti-depressiives, pain-killers, and anti-panic drugs.
Some have been useful along the way. Others useless, at best.
But the further I progress, the less I need them.
After I recovered enough to be useful. I worked with
the Australian mental health departments specializing
in so-called "meditation illnesses".
Many of my "clients" have found some drugs at some stage
useful.
Unfortunately, however, the profession in general,
over-medicates, so that people don't have they ability
to deal with the issues that come up.
This is a personal opinion only.
And again, I respect individuals choices.
Date: Fri, 9 Jan 1998 10:02:15 +0100
From: "Sen Ashanka"<sashankaATnospamaismi.ais.it>
To: kundalini-lATnospamlists.execpc.com
Subject: Re: Spine chills...
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---someone wrote----
>Does anyone know what it means when you get chills up the spine like a
>snake wriggling? It causes my whole body to shake and then tingle.
>This happens about 30 times a day.
This is what happens to persons practicing a type of yoga known as
"kriya yoga". The word "kriya" in Sanskrit means action / activity.
In this the meditator experiences lot of sensations all over the body and
the body also tends to take up the yogic postures by itself.
The following explanation comes from the Indian scriptures. There is
no "scientific" proof of this yet, but when you experience it you know
these to be true. There has ben discussion on the scientific proofs,
and I am not going into this right now. The explanation is presented :
Explanation :
We have a gross body (matter, flesh, bones, etc) and a subtle body
which controls mentally the gross body. This subtle body has got three
main nerves. The central "sushumna" nerve that runs approximately
near the spinal cord, then there are two nerve channels, the "ingla"
and the "pingla".
The Kundalini lies at the base of the "sushumna" and blocks all
our spiritual energy. When this is awake, the energy comes out
like a fountain. In Kundalini yoga the yogi, through concentration,
tries to make the kundalini rise up the "sushumna" nerve up to the
top of the head, and in doing so, the seven energy centers ("chakras" )
are activated. Each "chakra" is associated with giving spiritual
powers to the yogi.
So, the chills up the spine like the tail wiggling is the kundalini
rise. The kundalini is felt in the subtle body like a snake,
wiggling and slashing about.
Normally kundalini awakening is catalysed by the energy
transfger from a guru. However, there are lots of cases of spontaneous
K-awakening. This happens due to accidental over-activity of
the subtle body, (highly emotional states, of exited states), or
by the remote will of the guru.
So, such energy surges are due to K-awakening, a feeling
that you should welcome, and enjoy. If you get guidance in
meditation from a place you are comfortable with, then you
could reach very advanced levels of spiritual growth followed
by acquiring of mental and spiritual powers.
Cheers and love to all
Ashanka
Date: Fri, 9 Jan 1998 10:17:33 +0100
From: "Sen Ashanka"<sashankaATnospamaismi.ais.it>
To: kundalini-lATnospamlists.execpc.com
Cc: jeannegATnospamicon.net
Subject: Re: Re. Summary
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> I talk to professors and graduate students. Talking is more
>efficient than email for teaching. I have not found a spiritual guru to
>my liking yet, but I have not searched strongly enough, so I merely accept
>life as the guru.
> Dan
Dear Dan,
Methinks you have had a barrage of mails on your statements !!
Hope you are not put off by all this.
Well, most of us feel that we continue to learn and admit to our current
lack of complete knowledge, and hence also admit to the need for
life-long process of education.
When we live, we learn, we grow every day. Our intellect, our
minds, our senses get new stimulii. Life is multi-dimensional and
infinite, and so there is always lots to learn. It should not be a
formal classroom process, or else we would get tired of learning,
and then throw up our hands and say "there is nothing more for
me to learn".
Even if we look at a flower and love the beauty we are learning.
If we like a song and feel like dancing to it, it is learning.
>I have not found a spiritual guru to
>my liking yet
Well, frankly, spiritual gurus are not made tailor-made to our
liking. Gurus train us and help us grow. If they were likeable to
our conceptions, then we would not be able to grow or learn
from them. Spiritual gurus can be very very strict and harsh
at times. There are stories of Zen masters who beat their pupils
with sticks, to get a point across.
Secondly, a statement like "there is nothing to learn from anyone"
does sound a bit egoistic, and this ego blocks our learning and
growth.
There is a little story of a frog who lived in a well. He lived in the
well throughout his life. One day there was a flood in a river nearby
and another frog happened to fall into the well. They got talking
and then the alien frong began to tall the well frog about how big
the river and sea were. The well frog leaped from one side of the
well to the other and asked "Is the sea this big ?". "Much bigger"
answered the alien frog. The well frog leaped ten times across
and asked "Cannot be bigger than this, right ?". The alien frog
answered, "You will never get the idea unless you go and see
for yourself. Sitting here you will neven get an idea". To this the
well frog got very angry, called the alein frog a fraud and imposter
and drove him out of his well.
So Dan, if you say you have got nothing more to learn, and you
know it all, then a) you can help us out in our doubts and queries,
or b) try and think if you are not the well-frog ??
Cheers and love to all
Ashanka
Date: Fri, 9 Jan 1998 10:21:48 +0100
From: "Sen Ashanka"<sashankaATnospamaismi.ais.it>
To: kundalini-lATnospamlists.execpc.com
Subject: Re: Re. Summary
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> Do you have something to teach me? I'm listening. Most people on
>the list just argue with each other about things they will never agree on
>or have trouble agreeing on. Nobody teaches much.
> Dan
Dear dear Dan,
We argue, we fight, we learn, we grow, we live.
Learning does not imply having to agree. We could agree to disagree
on lots of issues, retaining our respect for one another.
Teaching is stating your point of view with the intension of helping
and sharing. This does not mean that everyone has to agree with
what is stated. We all have a lot to learn from one another without
having to conform or agree. Simply knowing another point of view
itself is a process of learning.
Cheers and love to all
Ashanka
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