1998/01/08 16:50
kundalini-l-d Digest V98 #20
kundalini-l-d Digest Volume 98 : Issue 20
Today's Topics:
Re: Scientific Wonders (Trimble) [ Daniel James Giszczak <danjgATnospamengin. ]
Re: Radiant Being [ Daniel James Giszczak <danjgATnospamengin. ]
Re: Summary [ Daniel James Giszczak <danjgATnospamengin. ]
Re: Vast Silence [ Daniel James Giszczak <danjgATnospamengin. ]
Re: Summary [ Daniel James Giszczak <danjgATnospamengin. ]
Re: Introduction [ David Bozzi <david.bozziATnospamsnet.net> ]
Re: Science/Kundalini [ Daniel James Giszczak <danjgATnospamengin. ]
Re: Summary [ Daniel James Giszczak <danjgATnospamengin. ]
floodtide [ "Sharon Webb" <shawebbATnospamyhc.edu> ]
Re: Re. Summary [ Daniel James Giszczak <danjgATnospamengin. ]
Re: Summary [ Daniel James Giszczak <danjgATnospamengin. ]
Re: Scientific Wonders [ David Bozzi <david.bozziATnospamsnet.net> ]
My awakening [ Daniel James Giszczak <danjgATnospamengin. ]
Re: Scientific Wonders [ Ruth Trimble <trimbleATnospamhawaii.edu> ]
Re: Scientific Wonders [ Daniel James Giszczak <danjgATnospamengin. ]
Re[2]: Spine chills... [ "Jeremy Chevrier" <jeremy_chevrierATnospam ]
Re: Radiant Being [ Mystress Angelique Serpent <mistres ]
Date: Thu, 8 Jan 1998 17:12:32 -0500 (EST)
From: Daniel James Giszczak <danjgATnospamengin.umich.edu>
To: John Living <jlivingATnospamdirect.ca>
cc: kundalini-lATnospamlists.execpc.com
Subject: Re: Scientific Wonders (Trimble)
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> Ruth - I could comment that such a remark could only come from a mere female.
> This is far below your normal standard - suggest you start realizing that
> people are people (good, bad, or indifferent) irrespective of whether they
> are housewives, coolies, engineers, teachers, or even politicians.
Thanks John.
Dan
Date: Thu, 8 Jan 1998 17:14:24 -0500 (EST)
From: Daniel James Giszczak <danjgATnospamengin.umich.edu>
To: Ed Arrons <eeaATnospamaug.com>
cc: anandajyoti <anandajyotiATnospamgeocities.com>, kundalini-lATnospamexecpc.com,
heartzenATnospamlistserv.servtech.com, kundalini-lATnospamlists.execpc.com
Subject: Re: Radiant Being
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> Thanks for responding, Anandajyoti. I would appreciate if you would
> explain your use of the term 'bio magnetic currents'', since it is different
> from the terms I use in my post: bio-electric currents, and bio-magnetic
They are the same. Magnetic field is proportional to the curl of
electric field. Electic field is proportional to the curl of magnetic
field.
Dan
Date: Thu, 8 Jan 1998 17:17:48 -0500 (EST)
From: Daniel James Giszczak <danjgATnospamengin.umich.edu>
To: Gloria Greco <lodpressATnospamintercomm.com>
cc: kundalini-lATnospamexecpc.com
Subject: Re: Summary
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> Are you experiencing kundalini yourself?
I don't know? Am I?
> > If anyone cares, I have short, scientific theories to explain any
> > psychic ability you can name.
> manifests according to the state and condition of the soul/awareness.
Matter is the densest for of soul. I believe denser forms of soul
are more detectable by dense luminous beings such as you and me. I would
try to explain phenomena scientifically before making assumptions. After
my next sleep cycle, I will write my theory. Right now, I am looking for
help.
Dan
Date: Thu, 8 Jan 1998 17:19:46 -0500 (EST)
From: Daniel James Giszczak <danjgATnospamengin.umich.edu>
To: "Wright, James 7929" <JwrightATnospamphelpsd.com>
cc: "kundalini-lATnospamexecpc.com" <kundalini-lATnospamexecpc.com>
Subject: Re: Vast Silence
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> Is this list still operative? Haven't seen any messages since 18 November
> or so.
> The silence is deafening. Did we find THE ANSWER, and I missed it? <VBG!>
> Thanks!
Resubscribe. The answer may be close.
Dan
Date: Thu, 8 Jan 1998 17:22:27 -0500 (EST)
From: Daniel James Giszczak <danjgATnospamengin.umich.edu>
To: tg langston <tgxxxATnospamjuno.com>
cc: kundalini-lATnospamexecpc.com
Subject: Re: Summary
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> I'd personally like to see you stay.... I don't know how long you have
> been on this list.... I do know that it has been a blessing to me and
> many others. But that doesn't mean it would be for you too. For all we
I am more likely to stay now than before. Thank you for your
support. Read my awakening. I will need more support soon.
Dan
Date: Thu, 08 Jan 1998 17:35:33 -0500
From: David Bozzi <david.bozziATnospamsnet.net>
To: Kundalini <kundalini-lATnospamexecpc.com>
Subject: Re: Introduction
Message-ID: <34B554B5.41E3ATnospammail.snet.net>
Orea de Sa' Hana wrote:
>
> Hello everyone,
Hello.
> One of the best
> decisions I have made, in this regard, was to dispense with doubts and
> intellectualizations for the most part, and just let things happen, and
> learn from what is put before me.
Can't beat this approach.
> This has taken me to some interesting places and perspectives.
Not surprised.
> frankly I feel pretty ignorant at this point.
Be warm toward yourself.
David
Date: Thu, 8 Jan 1998 17:29:14 -0500 (EST)
From: Daniel James Giszczak <danjgATnospamengin.umich.edu>
To: Joseph Miller <joemillerATnospamhotmail.com>
cc: kundalini-lATnospamlists.execpc.com
Subject: Re: Science/Kundalini
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> >> Knowing is intuition. Intuition is not a heart issue. Because we
> > Is intuition a brain issue?
> It depends on your framework. If you are looking at it from a typical
> western outlook....
> Then the answer is a simple No. I think I said it goes beyond either and
I disagree. I believe if you read ancient texts carefully, you
will see that a neuron is probably given a name as mind energy just above
the subtle. I would say intuition, at least intuition according to
western definition, is a part of the neuron activity of the right brain.
You probably speak of what I would call "knowing", or the eastern
intuition which worst at a level more suble than neurons.
Dan
Date: Thu, 8 Jan 1998 17:29:43 -0500 (EST)
From: Daniel James Giszczak <danjgATnospamengin.umich.edu>
To: David Bozzi <david.bozziATnospamsnet.net>
cc: Kundalini <kundalini-lATnospamexecpc.com>
Subject: Re: Summary
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> >I have learned everything I can from the kundalini experience
> You have much to unlearn.
I have unlearned much more than I have learned.
Dan
Date: Thu, 8 Jan 1998 17:52:00 -0500
From: "Sharon Webb" <shawebbATnospamyhc.edu>
To: <kundalini-lATnospamexecpc.com>
Subject: floodtide
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I sent this letter to another little list. I'm sending it on to all of you,
because....
------------------
The river that runs behind my house boiled over its banks in a flash flood
last night...and my emotions echoed the river's chaos. I was asleep, when
the river shot over its banks. I woke, just as the flood broke, with heat
and vibrations spiraling up from my feet to my head.
I was the river. I was the surging night black water. I still am.
For days it has rained here. The river grew dark and muddy last weekend.
Since then, it has strained at its banks, sloshing here and there over it's
high banks, flotsam leaping like missiles from its driving fury.
Many of you know that I have been in crisis. This past weekend, my empath
level took a quantum leap and left me ragged and fluttering in the wind.
For days the river in me rose. Last night it leaped its banks and surged
out of control and uncontained. A mountain stream rises without warning,
and sweeps everything away in its path...but mountain streams are steep and
wild and out of control by nature, and when they flood, they regain their
banks much quicker than the slower moving rivers of the flatlands.
The river is contained within its path today. She's still muddy and dark
and swirling with debris, but holding her course.
The sun shone today for a time, and the air was like spring. I walked along
the banks today, over the fresh laid sand and new driftwood. I touched a
little leaf-smothered oak no taller than my waist. It's energy surged
through me and out my crown. I thanked it and moved on. An ear of seed
corn caught in a rhododendron hung ten feet above the level of the dark
river that had tossed it there. A whale-shaped dune of new sand marbled
with dark loam, bore the v-shaped footprints of a tiny bird and a boomerang
of driftwood soggy from the floodtide.
I held the driftwood in my hand and felt the river's energy inside it, felt
how it had battered mats of drowned dark wood until they broke apart at its
onslaught. I felt a kinship with it and asked if I could take it home with
me.
Last, I touched a giant old birch scarred with a lightning strike from its
youth. I felt the jolt of lightning held so long within it. I saw the fire
burning along the wound, saw it curling around a knothole where a branch
once lived, felt it rise inside me and travel up my spine.
The spring day faded and the clouds gathered again. It's raining now, and
the river leaps again to perhaps another newer flood. My tears echo the
rain, but the knowledge is there that though the river may rise again,
though it may jump its banks once more, the sun will shine again and, with
time, the water will grow clear.
You have helped me so much. Much of the help came from your compassion and
from your hard-earned wisdom. But much more came to me that you are unaware
of. I am learning not just from your joy and love, but from your annoyance
and resentments, and from your obsessions. I am learning not just from your
deep compassion, but from your jealousies and hurts and grief. I am
learning so much from these patterns I see, because in them are reflections
of myself.
The waters of me are muddy still. It is hard to see beyond the reflections
just yet, impossible to see yet very deeply. I am still processing and it
will take time, but there is a season for chaos, I think. It is raining
harder now and hail has begun to fall...but I can weather it, I think,
because I have you all to help me.
I love you,
Sharon
shawebbATnospamyhc.edu
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Date: Thu, 8 Jan 1998 17:51:53 -0500 (EST)
From: Daniel James Giszczak <danjgATnospamengin.umich.edu>
To: David Bozzi <david.bozziATnospamsnet.net>
cc: Kundalini <kundalini-lATnospamexecpc.com>
Subject: Re: Re. Summary
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> > Talking is more efficient than email for teaching.
> Teaching and learning has little at all to do with talking.
> Do you fear Love?
It has to do with the mind. The mind operates most readily using
physical inputs. Sight, sound, taste, smell, and touch are the five
senses I am familiar with. The mind has intuition, and it can lucid
dream. These are the only new tools I believe an awakened person
experiences. Maybe the kinesiolimbic sense (sense six - determines where
the limbs are) as well as the other senses increase, or at least the
experience of them increases. ("Pain is increased by concentrating on
it." - some famous guy) What is concentration? Increase? What is
increase? Concentration. Teaching and learning are experienced within
the mind no matter how subtle the mind is. I learn best when I am with a
person. I learn decently from talking. I learn less decently from email.
Sometimes I fear love. I have had bad experiences with men.
Read my awakening.
Dan
Date: Thu, 8 Jan 1998 17:53:57 -0500 (EST)
From: Daniel James Giszczak <danjgATnospamengin.umich.edu>
To: David Bozzi <david.bozziATnospamsnet.net>
cc: Kundalini <kundalini-lATnospamexecpc.com>
Subject: Re: Summary
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> >Listmembers, please run these circles rather than being silent.
>
> Does defending ones' precious theories help?
> What good comes of attacking anything?
Forgive me. I didn't mean to attack. Feel free to be silent and
ignore my theories.
> Would you prefer the noise of attack?
No sir.
> What if there was nothing to defend?
I have something.
> Would that not be
> beautiful?
My thoughts are not nothing. I would not call this concept
beautiful.
Dan
Date: Thu, 08 Jan 1998 18:10:56 -0500
From: David Bozzi <david.bozziATnospamsnet.net>
To: Kundalini <kundalini-lATnospamexecpc.com>
CC: danjgATnospamengin.umich.edu
Subject: Re: Scientific Wonders
Message-ID: <34B55D00.4302ATnospammail.snet.net>
Daniel James Giszczak wrote:
> I experience too much fear when I reject logic.
Ah, an honest statement. Do not reject logic. Be honest about it.
See how limiting it really is. Does it fill your emptiness?
Does it give you warmth?
There is nothing wrong with a warm intellect. Who will heat it up?
> I permit myself
> to experience all other emotions.
How many emotions are there?
What if we just feel without naming what we feel and stop pretending we
really know what it means?
What if it means something that intellect cannot grasp?
>I try to control anger to enact change.
This causes a great deal of friction.
> I permit love to flow freely.
This does not.
> I try to control sadness to enact change.
This disipitates energy.
> I cannot channel fear into anything.
What about your legs when a car is coming at you?
> My body becomes alarmed
> and vibrates out of control. If I permit fear to grow, it might cause a
> stroke. Instead, I use logic to calm my fear.
Logic cannot calm fear. It can hide it. It can be a way of avoiding it.
But nothing can be dispelled through avoidance. You STRENGTHEN it.
> Am I doing anything that
> you would suggest improvement upon? By control, I don't mean I focus my
> attention on the emotion and attempt to edit it. I generate thoughts that
> will release the emotion in a productive way.
Fear is like a fence that hides Love.
Awareness is fire.
> I do not even know what enlightenment is yet.
More honesty. Stay Here.
> Do you believe I will learn more if I leave than if I stay?
It does not matter.
There is nowhere else to go anyway.
You will still have to face Yourself.
Date: Thu, 8 Jan 1998 18:03:22 -0500 (EST)
From: Daniel James Giszczak <danjgATnospamengin.umich.edu>
To: kundalini-lATnospamexecpc.com
Subject: My awakening
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Please read
http://www-personal.engin.umich.edu/~danjg/awakening.html
if you want to see my awakening story. I am editing the file now,
but you still should be able to read it.
Dan
Date: Thu, 8 Jan 1998 13:31:22 -1000
From: Ruth Trimble <trimbleATnospamhawaii.edu>
To: Daniel James Giszczak <danjgATnospamengin.umich.edu>
cc: kundalini-lATnospamlists.execpc.com
Subject: Re: Scientific Wonders
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Hi Dan:
I am sure you are going to get some great advice on this list for you have
opened yourself up to the wisdom on the list.
This is an important and significant day for you. Smile! :)
> > or some kind of free expression physically that would get you to stop
> I did not "awaken" until after I began to improvise on the piano.
> I did not surrender much. I controlled. I fear surrender even more today
> then ever before because today is a dark day for me. Read my awakening.
I am not a guy.. I don't know how it works in men with the mind. I know
that women have a different corpus collosum so we are able to see things
more holistically than men.. who focus in on pin points etc. (Women can
do all of it!)
But to fear surrender means I think that you already have some inkling of
what is around th corner. I would say it is your ego which is distraught.
You are enlightened.. everyone is.. we have all taken on a veil to keep us
able to stay in 3rd d. Why? Well who knows.. God wants it that way!
It is the mind that prevents us experiencing this all the time. Your mind,
more than others perhaps, is trying hard to maintain you in 3rd dimension
and functioning logically.. the left brain you might say is runnin the
show.
> > Well that works for a while, but it does not last does
it? > To be conquered by fear is to die. Logic must last or death will
> result. What do you mean by last? I find logic to be taking greater hold
> of me.
What I mean is the fear keeps coming back in new ways.. you are just
pushing it away.
What I think I hear in your explanation is not fear like normal fear, but
the ABYSS. Again Gangaji has put me straight on this one too.
I asked her about this experience of falling into total annihilation if I
surrendered to a fearful apparition. And in trying to avoid it I had gone
loopy...nuts and had to go see a shrink! It was embarassing.. but it did
help in identifying the cause of the dark ness of the fear that seemed to
engulf me. What I found out is in my book.. but I will give you a little
bit of an image from what happend to me.
Sometime in my childhood I had a very traumatising experience that could
have meant I would be abandoned or killed, and left without support. So I
stuffed the memory of it and went on with my life. Thirty years later.. I
met a guru who gave me Shaktipat and I started to meditate deeply and for
hours a day. In that meditation all the controls went.. I surrendered
more and more to the bliss of my inner self... The memory of the past
trauma came up into my mind and I refused to accept it. So I pushed it
away.
Well for 30 years this event which had taken a part of me.. like
some of my soul... had been out forlorn, abandoned, lost and miserable far
away from my conscious mind in darkness. It could feel my bliss and
wanted to come back and be with me again, so I could be complete. It is
sort of like the 5 year old I was when it happened.. wanting to com back
to be comforted and loved. The trouble is though, it has been out there
so long.. and been denied SO LONG.. that it appears so HORRIFICally UGLY
that you cannot even believe that is YOU coming as this awful apparition.
So naturally, you want to push it away again.. and again..
The answer for me was in the shrink getting meto accept what the fear was
all about - incest in this case. After I accepted this idea.. then the
forlorn lost child of me was able to integrate into my being.... IT took a
long time... Dan.. years.. until last year when the final integration of
this child and the other parts of me took place.
Gangaji implied that I could have "jumped" into the abysss and LET GO of
all my fear of it and I would have survived. I am not so sure... I have
heard of people doing this and going so nutty that they could not come
back. In any case I did go wobbly, and it took 15 years of intense inner
work to come to this point.. but I guess you could say I got there anyway.
But she says you can get there LIKE "THAT." I think this would be workable
if you lived with a guru in an ashram and had a lot of support.
I am not advocating that you try it. However, I would say that you might
start to question your fear. Ask it for information. Listen carefullyto
what it has to tell you. It is intelligent. It cannot hurt you. Ask it for
little pieces at a time so you can accept it one bit at a time and not
have to swallow the whole ball of wax.
Try to develop arelationship with it that does NOT involve more judgement
by you that it is so horrible. Do not keep sending it back to hell. Let
it approach you. That is why you need to do something blissful...it will
come closer as you get into bliss.. and it will start to heal through
that.
> I have experienced so much fear that I almost died. I have not >
recovered yet.
I have too.. and I am sure many others on the list. It is considered part
of the path of many spiritual beigns. Read Muktananda's book "The Play of
Consciousness" He will make your hair stand on end with his descriptions
of fear he went through. There is even more than this that I have known..
where the whole world turned yellow and there was nothing but skeletons
left on the planet! Try that one for fun! **Seeing it with your eyes
open... yet!
Well you sound like a good candidate for the above explanation then.
> > sheath to cover your emotional body.
> I thought emotions were to be unlocked to avoided with detachment?
I am not sure I know what you mean. Do you mean avoid emotion, or unlock
emotion?
In anycase do not get rid of your emotions.. they are the tools which you
will need to transcend. Do not let anyone tell you to get rid of your
emotions... watch them.. fine.. enjoy them.. no problem, but do not rid
yorself of your fuel for living. Emotionsare messages from the
soul...little flags waving to tell you things... honor them. Had my soul
not sent me that ghastly apparition of what I most feared to admit, then I
should not now be giving you this advice.
With love and blessings,
Take care, Ruth
******
Love allows freedom. Drop the idea that attachment and love are the same
thing. They are enemies. It is attachment that destroys love. (Osho)
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Ruth Trimble email:<trimbleATnospamhawaii.edu>
http://166.122.32.61/trimble/
*****
Date: Thu, 8 Jan 1998 18:33:36 -0500 (EST)
From: Daniel James Giszczak <danjgATnospamengin.umich.edu>
To: David Bozzi <david.bozziATnospamsnet.net>
cc: Kundalini <kundalini-lATnospamexecpc.com>
Subject: Re: Scientific Wonders
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> Ah, an honest statement. Do not reject logic. Be honest about it.
> See how limiting it really is. Does it fill your emptiness?
I see it limits and also broadens. It fills some holes but not
all.
> Does it give you warmth?
> There is nothing wrong with a warm intellect. Who will heat it up?
My intellect is very exciting to me.
> What if we just feel without naming what we feel and stop pretending we
> really know what it means?
If I don't feel I know what it means, I do not believe that I have
the wisdom to choose whether or not to express it if I have to choose
between expression and experiencing.
> What if it means something that intellect cannot grasp?
I would enjoy this very much.
> >I try to control anger to enact change.
> This causes a great deal of friction.
Is friction bad, or does friction slow the body so that one has
time to deal with the anger in a way that is less destructive that not
trying to control it?
> > I try to control sadness to enact change.
> This disipitates energy.
It uses less energy to not change, but some people are resistant
to change, and if people like this "cause" me sadness, I believe seeing
the person again could cause sadness for the same reason it caused it
before. If I enact change in myself or that person, this sadness will not
be repeated.
> > > I cannot channel fear into anything.
> What about your legs when a car is coming at you?
I do this readily. Why does fear freeze too often?
> > My body becomes alarmed
> > and vibrates out of control. If I permit fear to grow, it might cause a
> > stroke. Instead, I use logic to calm my fear.
>
> Logic cannot calm fear. It can hide it. It can be a way of avoiding it.
> But nothing can be dispelled through avoidance. You STRENGTHEN it.
Logic calms my fear when I understand something that I was afriad
of. The concept of fear is strengthened if fear is awknowledged. The
pattern of fear is strengthened if fear is experienced. I know fear is
useful because of the moving car example. Without "fear of fast motion in
my direction", I might not survive the experience. Alternatively, the
knowledge that moving away from the path of the car will permit survival
will alleviate the fear when acted on. It would also dispel the "fear of
fast moving cars". Logic, to me, is not avoidance. It is direct
confrontation.
> Fear is like a fence that hides Love.
What is love?
> More honesty. Stay Here.
I am very likely to.
> > Do you believe I will learn more if I leave than if I stay?
> It does not matter.
> There is nowhere else to go anyway.
What?
> You will still have to face Yourself.
Today, I am more afraid of facing mother than myself.
Dan
Date: Thu, 08 Jan 98 15:33:41 PST
From: "Jeremy Chevrier" <jeremy_chevrierATnospamccmlink.dph.sf.ca.us>
To: kundalini-lATnospamlists.execpc.com
Subject: Re[2]: Spine chills...
Message-Id: <9800088843.AA884303305ATnospamccmlink.dph.sf.ca.us>
What does it mean though? To say it is a side effect of kundalini
awakening doesn't satisfy me. Why are these chills happening? What
exactly is this energy and why is it releasing in such a way? I have
wanted an answer to this question for years....
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Subject: Re: Spine chills...
Author: kundalini-lATnospamlists.execpc.com at ~DPH-INTERNET-MAIL
Date: 1/8/98 1:57 PM
Druout wrote:
>
> Dear Jeremy,
>
> Don't know what it means, but I have these lightening "shivers" that go up
> the spine and hit the brain in a pleasurable explosion about 2-3 times a day.
> These started about 6 months after the k began. They are different from the
> wave/bliss states I experience usually waking me from sleep.
Gloria:
This is one of a million side effects of kundalini, just observe it and
it will change into something else to observe, and then on to something
else. None of it will change the universe but all of it will change
you...which is what it is for.
>
>
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Hope you enjoy them!
Date: Thu, 08 Jan 1998 05:07:11
From: Mystress Angelique Serpent <mistressATnospamdomin8rex.com>
To: "Ed Arrons" <eeaATnospamaug.com>
Cc: <kundalini-lATnospamexecpc.com>
Subject: Re: Radiant Being
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At 17:22 07/01/98 -0500, Ed Arrons wrote:
>A mini-thesis...extension of etheric and light body subject.
<snipped>
>I sense that this process, the radiant self, can be facilitated by a
meditative
>
>focus on the bio-magnetic field which permeates the whole physical self.
>
>Experience or concepts that validate or negate this thesis would be of
>great value.
>
>-Ed
>
Sounds to me like a description of what happens when folks do the
grounding excercise on my website.
http://www.domin8rex.com/serpent/ground.htm
The "Control panel" for the "bio-magnetic field?", is the imagination.
Blessings, Mystress.
Mystress Angelique Serpent,
Dominant Experiential Facilitator.
Website= http://www.domin8rex.com/serpent
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