1998/01/08 15:12
kundalini-l-d Digest V98 #19
kundalini-l-d Digest Volume 98 : Issue 19
Today's Topics:
Re: Scientific Wonders [ "Sharon Webb" <shawebbATnospamyhc.edu> ]
Re: Verification [ Meadowart <MeadowartATnospamaol.com> ]
Re: Summary [ Daniel James Giszczak <danjgATnospamengin. ]
Re: Scientific Wonders (Trimble) [ John Living <jlivingATnospamdirect.ca> ]
Re: Radiant Being [ "Ed Arrons" <eeaATnospamaug.com> ]
RE: Travels to the other side of rea [ Mike Stickles <msticklesATnospamantalys.co ]
Re: Awakening Creativity [ David Bozzi <david.bozziATnospamsnet.net> ]
Re: Summary [ Gloria Greco <lodpressATnospamintercomm.co ]
Vast Silence [ "Wright, James 7929" <JwrightATnospamphelp ]
Re: Awakening Creativity [ Gloria Greco <lodpressATnospamintercomm.co ]
Re: Introduction [ Gloria Greco <lodpressATnospamintercomm.co ]
Re: Shahanshah [ Gloria Greco <lodpressATnospamintercomm.co ]
Summary [ tgxxxATnospamjuno.com (tg langston) ]
Re: Spine chills... [ Gloria Greco <lodpressATnospamintercomm.co ]
Re: Science/Kundalini [ "Joseph Miller" <joemillerATnospamhotmail. ]
Re: Summary [ David Bozzi <david.bozziATnospamsnet.net> ]
Re: Re. Summary [ David Bozzi <david.bozziATnospamsnet.net> ]
Re: Summary [ David Bozzi <david.bozziATnospamsnet.net> ]
Lost mail [ Daniel James Giszczak <danjgATnospamengin. ]
Re: leaving [ Daniel James Giszczak <danjgATnospamengin. ]
Re: Scientific Wonders [ Daniel James Giszczak <danjgATnospamengin. ]
Re: Spine chills... [ Daniel James Giszczak <danjgATnospamengin. ]
Re: Scientific Wonders [ Daniel James Giszczak <danjgATnospamengin. ]
Date: Thu, 8 Jan 1998 15:45:02 -0500
From: "Sharon Webb" <shawebbATnospamyhc.edu>
To: <kundalini-lATnospamexecpc.com>
Subject: Re: Scientific Wonders
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Daniel wrote:
>>I experience too much fear when I reject logic. I permit myself
to experience all other emotions. I try to control anger to enact change.
I permit love to flow freely. I try to control sadness to enact change.
Sometimes I enjoy just the state of experience intense emotion, so I don't
act immediately. I probably would try to control jealousy to give me the
energy to add to my personality those aspects of anothers' for which I am
jealous. I cannot channel fear into anything. My body becomes alarmed
and vibrates out of control. If I permit fear to grow, it might cause a
stroke. Instead, I use logic to calm my fear. Am I doing anything that
you would suggest improvement upon? By control, I don't mean I focus my
attention on the emotion and attempt to edit it. I generate thoughts that
will release the emotion in a productive way.>>
It *is* scary to reject logic. Yet, logic is a construct of society; and
awakening has very little to do with logic as understood in this culture.
So why not try to simply set logic aside, for awhile, on a trial basis, and
allow yourself to just experience "what is" nonjudgmentally? In other
words, give yourself permission to get out of your own way for a time.
If you consider that fear is the absense of the energy we call love, then
indeed you don't want to let it grow. Anger is just an overlay to fear.
It's the fight part of the "flight or fight" model of a pursued animal or a
beleaguered human. Jealousy, obsession, possessiveness, and the like are
simply forms of fear as well. So is anxiety which is what you are
experiencing when you say that your "body becomes alarmed and vibrates out
of control."
These emotions reflect an emptiness that can only be filled with love. So
how can we let love fill us? The only way I know is by working to dissolve
the inner blocks of congealed pain that stop the flow of this energy through
us.
Love,
Sharon
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Date: Thu, 8 Jan 1998 15:39:15 EST
From: Meadowart <MeadowartATnospamaol.com>
To: fredaATnospamblarg.net, gkiefferATnospamnetaxis.com
Cc: kundalini-lATnospamexecpc.com
Subject: Re: Verification
Message-ID: <b07ef475.34b53974ATnospamaol.com>
I agree with Freda on the matter of spiritual awakening being between the
'enlightened' and God. Dissecting the spirit is a meaningless task scientists
could while away a good bit of research money on.
Shamans go through the same 'dissection' as those Gene is describing in k-
awakened states. 6 of one, half dozen of the other.
Have a great day.
Deb
Date: Thu, 8 Jan 1998 15:55:16 -0500 (EST)
From: Daniel James Giszczak <danjgATnospamengin.umich.edu>
To: Jack <sassiATnospamworldnet.att.net>
cc: kundalini-lATnospamexecpc.com
Subject: Re: Summary
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> I can't think of a single listmember who couldn't run circles around
> the theories you imply after learning everything.
Listmembers, please run these circles rather than being silent.
Your silence does not help me.
Dan
Date: Thu, 08 Jan 1998 01:01:05 -0700
From: John Living <jlivingATnospamdirect.ca>
To: kundalini-lATnospamlists.execpc.com
Subject: Re: Scientific Wonders (Trimble)
Message-Id: <1.5.4.16.19980108080105.31ef90e8ATnospamdirect.ca>
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At 09:11 AM 1/8/98 -1000, you wrote:
>Dear Dan :
>
>[Your understanding is as superficial and lacking dimension as it is
>possible to get.. but then it seems you are an Engineer! What to expect?
>I wish you luck in your next lifetime...and pray for your awakening so you
>will be ableto truly experience what you are analysing.]
>
Ruth - I could comment that such a remark could only come from a mere female.
This is far below your normal standard - suggest you start realizing that
people are people (good, bad, or indifferent) irrespective of whether they
are housewives, coolies, engineers, teachers, or even politicians.
John
J.M.Living, P.Eng., A wise old owl lived in an oak;
2731 West 11th.Avenue, the more he saw, the less he spoke;
Vancouver, B.C., the less he spoke, the more he heard;
Canada V6K 2L8 he was definitely not a political bird !
Vox & Fax (604) 737-7456
Date: Thu, 8 Jan 1998 16:09:16 -0500
From: "Ed Arrons" <eeaATnospamaug.com>
To: "anandajyoti" <anandajyotiATnospamgeocities.com>
Cc: <kundalini-lATnospamexecpc.com>, <heartzenATnospamlistserv.servtech.com>
Subject: Re: Radiant Being
Message-Id: <199801082109.QAA18469ATnospamsandia.aug.com>
Anandajyoti:
I do not consider the radiant self to be the result of bio magnetic currents,
but rather the bio magnetic currents could be the manifestations of the
radiant self on the physical plane.
And again, the meditative method should be to focus on the radiant self,
instead of the bio magnetic currents. When the biomagnetic currents manifest
then only can we postulate if the radiant self is the cause or not..
--------
Ed:
Thanks for responding, Anandajyoti. I would appreciate if you would
explain your use of the term 'bio magnetic currents'', since it is different
from the terms I use in my post: bio-electric currents, and bio-magnetic
fields. I did a search on "bio-magnetic currents" and could find no
reference to the term.
Also, when in a state of radiance, which is of oneness, there is no longer
another me to do any focusing.
Date: Thu, 8 Jan 1998 16:13:57 -0500
From: Mike Stickles <msticklesATnospamantalys.com>
To: kundalini-lATnospamexecpc.com
Cc: lvdsATnospamstdin.gatelink.fr.net
Subject: RE: Travels to the other side of reality.
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Laurent wrote:
> ...and, is this too much to ask to explain me how
> to decide of the destination of the metro?!? ...As
> there are places i have been where i would like
> very much to go back! :-))
Well, there are four techniques that have occasionally worked for me in
returning to certain dreams, so I'll toss them out for your
consideration (in order of success rates from best to worst). Whether
these would work in the context of your "metro" dreams or visions I'll
leave to your experimentation.
First, if I am in a dream (where I'm aware I'm dreaming) and feel myself
waking up, if I want to stay in the dream I try to "anchor" myself to
the "physical sensations" of the dream. Example - in one dream as I felt
myself waking up, I flattened myself against a wall and held my dream
companion's hand, then closed my eyes and concentrated on the sensations
of her hand in mine and the wall against my back. When I woke up, I
could still vaguely feel those sensations, and by closing my eyes and
focusing my awareness on them again I was able to return to the dream.
Second, if I wake up without being able to try the first method, I close
my eyes again, relax, and focus my awareness on the sights, sounds and
emotions of the dream I want to return to. This works erratically at
best, and sometimes there are strange obstacles - once I returned to my
dream world in the middle of a desert in front of a military bunker with
an electronic access pad, and I had to enter an access code to open the
door. When I quit trying to puzzle out the code and just "let the
numbers flow," the door opened and I stepped through into the dream I
was seeking.
Third, I've tried picturing a single object or person from the desired
dream, and when I go to bed I relax and mentally visualize that person
or object in as much detail as possible. Only rarely have I been able to
sustain the visualization through the "sleep threshold" or whatever you
call it, but when I've succeeded that object or person is there with me
in my dream (it may or may not be the exact dream I was seeking,
though).
Finally, once while in a dream I was able to create a doorway in that
dream which led to an entirely different dream - the dream I wanted to
return to. I haven't gotten to where I can have things appear out of
thin air in my dreams, but sometimes I can mentally command them to be
around the next corner or in the next room, and when I get there, there
they are. Unfortunately, of the many times I've tried to create a door
to another dream or reality, the door has only "worked" once (and I've
never been able to cross over to another person's dream, even though I
tried several times via agreement with the other person).
So, these are what have worked for me on occasion. Try 'em out and let
us know if anything works for you. If your experiences are more vision
than dream, you might need to experiment a bit with adjusting the
techniques, but I'm sure we're all pretty familiar with having to do
that sort of thing.
- Mike
Date: Thu, 08 Jan 1998 16:23:34 -0500
From: David Bozzi <david.bozziATnospamsnet.net>
To: Kundalini <kundalini-lATnospamexecpc.com>
Subject: Re: Awakening Creativity
Message-ID: <34B543D6.4BC2ATnospammail.snet.net>
Nancy wrote:
> I wonder if awakening is about creatively tuning in, or if it's just a
> side effect.
The process of awakening is quite literally a process of tuning into
the process of Creativity.
Beyond space/time We create Awareness/Life.
In the dream of space/time we merely act out this ancient instinct of
Ours,
through form.
Date: Thu, 08 Jan 1998 11:49:47 +0100
From: Gloria Greco <lodpressATnospamintercomm.com>
To: Daniel James Giszczak <danjgATnospamengin.umich.edu>
CC: kundalini-lATnospamexecpc.com
Subject: Re: Summary
Message-ID: <34B4AF49.19FFATnospamintercomm.com>
Daniel James Giszczak wrote:
>
>
Dan, Hi, Gloria here:
Are you experiencing kundalini yourself?
> If anyone cares, I have short, scientific theories to explain any
> psychic ability you can name.
> Dan
Interesting evaluation, I don't know that anything can be brought down
to that cut and dry definition since kundalini is consciousness and
manifests according to the state and condition of the soul/awareness.
What are you scientific theories?
--
Enter The Silence to Know God ... and... accept life as the teacher.
Gloria Joy Greco
e-mail me at : lodpressATnospamintercomm.com and visit our homepages at:
http://users.intercomm.com/larryn/
&
http://www.freeyellow.com/members/zg888/
Hope you enjoy them!
Date: Thu, 08 Jan 98 11:51:00 EST
From: "Wright, James 7929" <JwrightATnospamphelpsd.com>
To: "kundalini-lATnospamexecpc.com" <kundalini-lATnospamexecpc.com>
Subject: Vast Silence
Message-Id: <34B5046AATnospamsmtpgw.ccc.phelpsd.com>
Is this list still operative? Haven't seen any messages since 18 November
or so.
The silence is deafening. Did we find THE ANSWER, and I missed it? <VBG!>
Thanks!
james
Date: Thu, 08 Jan 1998 12:30:11 +0100
From: Gloria Greco <lodpressATnospamintercomm.com>
To: NancyATnospamwtp.net
CC: "kundalini-1 heartzenATnospamlistserv.servtech.com" <kundalini-lATnospamexecpc.com>
Subject: Re: Awakening Creativity
Message-ID: <34B4B8BF.6859ATnospamintercomm.com>
>
> Gloria Greco wrote:
> > I just changed keyboards
> > but I do the same thing on my computer, one brought out music and one
> > brought out music in another key, at that time it was my newspaper, I
> > would put my hands on my keyboard and say ready and then it was just
> > flow right on in.
> Nancy:
> I think this is true of all creativity. I used to paint, do pottery,
> charcoal drawings when I was young. As I went through college, I
> discovered commercial art which allowed me a new way to express
> creativity. Then when the computer came out...WOW! I had found my
> medium. I have always written creatively.
>
> What I have found is that as my design skills have advanced, my writing
> has become more creative and visa versa.
Gloria:
Creativity is a natural part of the awakening, and I do believe everyone
has to open up to allow that energy to manifest through his/her
consciousness. The keyboards for me were one, it didn't matter if I was
playing music or writing words it is the same exact function, and I do
believe every soul needs to open up so that soul urge can manifest and
bring down those inner knowings that so live inside of us and need to be
released.
It is rather like that sexual energy inside that has to become so
defined from higher frequencies that it naturally moves up and into the
brain. This surrender to the Christ self, allowing it full expression
and creation in the now, is really like releasing that energy into life.
Everytime we manifest this experience there is power also released, this
then is what it is about, isn't it really important that light manifest
in various ways, and isn't this how that kundalini expression can be
proved, by manifesting it, everyday in every action.
--
Enter The Silence to Know God ... and... accept life as the teacher.
Gloria Joy Greco
e-mail me at : lodpressATnospamintercomm.com and visit our homepages at:
http://users.intercomm.com/larryn/
&
http://www.freeyellow.com/members/zg888/
Hope you enjoy them!
Date: Thu, 08 Jan 1998 13:07:35 +0100
From: Gloria Greco <lodpressATnospamintercomm.com>
To: oreaATnospamerols.com
CC: kundalini-lATnospamexecpc.com, Blythe <merlinATnospampnn.com>
Subject: Re: Introduction
Message-ID: <34B4C181.3958ATnospamintercomm.com>
Orea de Sa' Hana wrote:
>
> oh, I don't feel I am expressing
> this well. I seek balance, information, and tools.
Welcome Orea, the best way to get involved is to kind of jump in and
just participate. If you are interested check out my homepage and it
will help you know me and little bit so we can share.
There is no right or wrong here, just be yourself that is all you can
do. And be comfortable, you are welcome. Gloria
>
>
--
Enter The Silence to Know God ... and... accept life as the teacher.
Gloria Joy Greco
e-mail me at : lodpressATnospamintercomm.com and visit our homepages at:
http://users.intercomm.com/larryn/
&
http://www.freeyellow.com/members/zg888/
Hope you enjoy them!
Date: Thu, 08 Jan 1998 13:02:54 +0100
From: Gloria Greco <lodpressATnospamintercomm.com>
To: "Harsh K. Luthar" <hlutharATnospambryant.edu>
CC: anandajyoti <anandajyotiATnospamgeocities.com>,
Peswani <peswaniATnospamgiaspn01.vsnl.net.in>,
"heartzenATnospamlistserv.servtech.com" <heartzenATnospamlistserv.servtech.com>,
kundalini-l <kundalini-lATnospamexecpc.com>
Subject: Re: Shahanshah
Message-ID: <34B4C069.244FATnospamintercomm.com>
Gloria here: I love it, and I wasn't quite sure how I got into it
either. Please shed light on this if you can?
Harsh K. Luthar wrote:
>
> I read this and can't stop laughing. I could not resist making certain
> comments in between the lines. Please forgive the compassionate but
> extremely funny Harsha.
> >
> > Peswani wrote:
> > > >
> > > > Egoist ram is no more. So many entities and sentients have entered in
> > > > ram's body and converted into divine energy thro Suniata meditation, that
> > > > ram is becoming smaller and smaller and is bound to disappear one day.
> > > > This takes care of Gloria Greco worry ab out ram.
>
> Why involve poor Gloria Greco in all this? I am a bit confused here.
>
> > > >
> > > > Good bye ram.
> > > > Along comes Shahanshah.
> >
> See you Later-Alligator. I guess:-).
>
> The compassionate but extremely funny Harsha.
--
Enter The Silence to Know God ... and... accept life as the teacher.
Gloria Joy Greco
e-mail me at : lodpressATnospamintercomm.com and visit our homepages at:
http://users.intercomm.com/larryn/
&
http://www.freeyellow.com/members/zg888/
Hope you enjoy them!
Date: Thu, 8 Jan 1998 16:22:11 -0500
From: tgxxxATnospamjuno.com (tg langston)
To: danjgATnospamengin.umich.edu
Cc: kundalini-lATnospamexecpc.com
Subject: Summary
Message-ID: <19980108.162220.4230.1.tgxxxATnospamjuno.com>
Dan wrote:
<<Could you tell me more specifically what I am missing? I am 20
and have not given up on my quest for enlightenment. I just do not feel
that I can reach enlightenment more quickly by believing in the kundalini
experience. I do not even know what enlightenment is yet.
Bless your heart Dan.... You are not missing a dang thing - lighten up
and go with the flow, which I see you are doing now - I think you've
learned much more than you've given yourSelf a chance to see. You feel
this way about kundalini and the list here and you spoke your mind of
where you were in that exact moment. I think that is wonderful! It is
neither good nor bad, right nor wrong - it's just how you see it now.
And others and myself will write you what we saw and felt in that moment
in time after reading your words - so what? It's all part of the
process. This duality battle within yourself that you have projected
outwards to the list is perfectly ok and part of your Quest. I think
this is great and wish my Quest had began when I was your age - how lucky
you are! It is obvious from your responses back to others that your
mind is open - just doesn't get any better than that.
<<Do you believe I will learn more if I leave than if I stay?>>
It doesn't matter what any of us believes - what is it that YOU believe?
I'd personally like to see you stay.... I don't know how long you have
been on this list.... I do know that it has been a blessing to me and
many others. But that doesn't mean it would be for you too. For all we
know, your path may go in a totally different direction, which is
perfectly ok and will get you to where you want to be.
Whatever you decide, trust yourSelf that it is the right decision for
you. Just go with it - stay in the moment like you are doing, and
loosen up that watch!
xxxtg
*Denial is not a river in Egypt *
http://members.aol.com/Teeegeee/tgsplace.html <~~~~~~ on the web now!
Date: Thu, 08 Jan 1998 13:32:00 +0100
From: Gloria Greco <lodpressATnospamintercomm.com>
To: Druout <DruoutATnospamaol.com>
CC: jeremy_chevrierATnospamccmlink.dph.sf.ca.us, kundalini-lATnospamlists.execpc.com
Subject: Re: Spine chills...
Message-ID: <34B4C739.234BATnospamintercomm.com>
Druout wrote:
>
> Dear Jeremy,
>
> Don't know what it means, but I have these lightening "shivers" that go up
> the spine and hit the brain in a pleasurable explosion about 2-3 times a day.
> These started about 6 months after the k began. They are different from the
> wave/bliss states I experience usually waking me from sleep.
Gloria:
This is one of a million side effects of kundalini, just observe it and
it will change into something else to observe, and then on to something
else. None of it will change the universe but all of it will change
you...which is what it is for.
>
>
--
Enter The Silence to Know God ... and... accept life as the teacher.
Gloria Joy Greco
e-mail me at : lodpressATnospamintercomm.com and visit our homepages at:
http://users.intercomm.com/larryn/
&
http://www.freeyellow.com/members/zg888/
Hope you enjoy them!
Date: Thu, 08 Jan 1998 13:37:49 PST
From: "Joseph Miller" <joemillerATnospamhotmail.com>
To: joemillerATnospamhotmail.com, danjgATnospamengin.umich.edu
Cc: kundalini-lATnospamlists.execpc.com
Subject: Re: Science/Kundalini
Message-ID: <19980108213749.11421.qmailATnospamhotmail.com>
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Replying to:
>> >Would anyone disagree with the statement that *knowing* does not
>> >easily translate into mathematical symbols since it is a matter of
>> >the heart, .....
>>
>> disagree with the statement that "knowing" is a matter of the heart!
>>
>> Knowing is intuition. Intuition is not a heart issue. Because we
> Is intuition a brain issue?
>
It depends on your framework. If you are looking at it from a typical
western outlook....
Then the answer is a simple No. I think I said it goes beyond either and
being above both it is not a part of either. If I didn't please forgive
me, I should have.
A much better and far more accurate way to define it would be to use a
Samkha (sp??) or Vedantan (sp??)view and then....
Knowing/intuition is a part of the mind but without my references at the
moment (and if I had them I'd have the correct spellings) I don't want
to go into the roles of the parts such as the budhi etc. that make up
the mind. The knowing comes from that part of the mind that looks within
and, in most people, is usually outside the volitional control of the
individual. But the mind here refers to something that follows, as a
part of the soul, from life to life. It is not a part of the brain, the
brain is the physical vehicle used by the mind during a given
incarnation and does not contain the mind, though it does house a part
of it.
Namaste,
Joe
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Date: Thu, 08 Jan 1998 16:47:02 -0500
From: David Bozzi <david.bozziATnospamsnet.net>
To: danjgATnospamengin.umich.edu
CC: Kundalini <kundalini-lATnospamexecpc.com>
Subject: Re: Summary
Message-ID: <34B54956.7351ATnospammail.snet.net>
Daniel James Giszczak wrote:
>I have learned everything I can from the kundalini experience
You have much to unlearn.
Date: Thu, 08 Jan 1998 16:51:56 -0500
From: David Bozzi <david.bozziATnospamsnet.net>
To: Daniel James Giszczak <danjgATnospamengin.umich.edu>
CC: Kundalini <kundalini-lATnospamexecpc.com>
Subject: Re: Re. Summary
Message-ID: <34B54A7C.BF0ATnospammail.snet.net>
Daniel James Giszczak wrote:
> Talking is more efficient than email for teaching.
Teaching and learning has little at all to do with talking.
Do you fear Love?
Date: Thu, 08 Jan 1998 16:55:47 -0500
From: David Bozzi <david.bozziATnospamsnet.net>
To: Daniel James Giszczak <danjgATnospamengin.umich.edu>
CC: Kundalini <kundalini-lATnospamexecpc.com>
Subject: Re: Summary
Message-ID: <34B54B63.53DFATnospammail.snet.net>
Daniel James Giszczak wrote:
>Listmembers, please run these circles rather than being silent.
Does defending ones' precious theories help?
What good comes of attacking anything?
> Your silence does not help me.
Would you prefer the noise of attack?
What if there was nothing to defend?
Would that not be
beautiful?
Date: Thu, 8 Jan 1998 16:50:50 -0500 (EST)
From: Daniel James Giszczak <danjgATnospamengin.umich.edu>
To: kundalini-lATnospamexecpc.com
Subject: Lost mail
Message-ID: <Pine.HPP.3.96.980108164909.6696J-100000ATnospambergh.ummu.umich.edu>
Content-Type: TEXT/PLAIN; charset=US-ASCII
I sent mail to this list about a K experience and it has not
reached my inbox yet. Should I resend it? It is 41000 letters.
Dan
Date: Thu, 8 Jan 1998 16:53:40 -0500 (EST)
From: Daniel James Giszczak <danjgATnospamengin.umich.edu>
To: Druout <DruoutATnospamaol.com>
cc: kundalini-lATnospamexecpc.com
Subject: Re: leaving
Message-ID: <Pine.HPP.3.96.980108165144.6696K-100000ATnospambergh.ummu.umich.edu>
Content-Type: TEXT/PLAIN; charset=US-ASCII
> Hey, you're leaving before we really get to know you!
I'm not gone yet.
> What were your experiences with K? Do you have anything to teach US??
I don't know if I experience K. I have similar experiences to
those others describe, but they are just lucid dreams. I experience pain
that that comes and goes, but it is just phantom pain.
> Many of us come from logical backgrounds but now do not close off our minds to
> the esoteric.
My mind is closing for more than one reason. Read my "awakening."
I'm not sure I belong here.
Dan
Date: Thu, 8 Jan 1998 17:07:05 -0500 (EST)
From: Daniel James Giszczak <danjgATnospamengin.umich.edu>
To: Ruth Trimble <trimbleATnospamhawaii.edu>
cc: kundalini-lATnospamlists.execpc.com
Subject: Re: Scientific Wonders
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> and mind it seems in this case. I would recommend sufi dancing for you..
> or some kind of free expression physically that would get you to stop
I did not "awaken" until after I began to improvise on the piano.
I did not surrender much. I controlled. I fear surrender even more today
then ever before because today is a dark day for me. Read my awakening.
> Well that works for a while, but it does not last does it?
To be conquered by fear is to die. Logic must last or death will
result. What do you mean by last? I find logic to be taking greater hold
of me.
> Dear Dan It seems your mind is too obsessed with control.
Forgive me, but I have reason to remain in control. Read my
awakening. It will come soon.
> me so profoundly that I no longer have fear.. it is gone.. and I hve had
> some very scary freaky stuff happen to me.. NO FEAR. I can feel others'
> fear mind you.. but inside me.. as mine.. no...
I have experienced so much fear that I almost died. I have not
recovered yet.
> This requires a very honest ability to enter pain, stay in it and be able
> to accept whatever is appearing.. completely truthfully.
I can do this, I think.
> DAN I think you can do this from what you write.
> "WHO IS AFRAID?" Then wait for a response. Be honest. Wait for
> something to answer. Try to not create an answer.. but wait for the
> deepest answer from the fear. It will come. Be vigilant.
I have only experienced prolonged fear that I did not have the
time to experience and dissect because new things came to be feared.
> not a thing exactly.. but it could be say a little child's voice from when
> you were afraid as a child etc. ) Don't freak out.. stay calm.
I have become a child. I copied a child in Florida. I learned
what genius meant. I became a child again. I think I still am only with
less fear.
I do not generally experience fear in meditation. I am good at
meditating.
> think it gets better. REad Rudolph Steiner on this.. you acquire another
> sheath to cover your emotional body.
I thought emotions were to be unlocked to avoided with detachment?
> concur here. Forget all the wild rides to enlightenment.. just take the
I may be enlightened. How do I know?
> one. Take care. Ruth
Thank you Ruth.
Dan
Date: Thu, 8 Jan 1998 17:08:28 -0500 (EST)
From: Daniel James Giszczak <danjgATnospamengin.umich.edu>
To: Druout <DruoutATnospamaol.com>
cc: jeremy_chevrierATnospamccmlink.dph.sf.ca.us, kundalini-lATnospamlists.execpc.com
Subject: Re: Spine chills...
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> I don't find any correlation with spine chills and orgasm.
Oh. I spoke of lightening, not spine chills. My mistake.
Dan
Date: Thu, 8 Jan 1998 17:10:55 -0500 (EST)
From: Daniel James Giszczak <danjgATnospamengin.umich.edu>
To: Sharon Webb <shawebbATnospamyhc.edu>
cc: kundalini-lATnospamexecpc.com, kundalini-lATnospamlists.execpc.com
Subject: Re: Scientific Wonders
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> It *is* scary to reject logic. Yet, logic is a construct of society; and
> awakening has very little to do with logic as understood in this culture.
> So why not try to simply set logic aside, for awhile, on a trial basis, and
> allow yourself to just experience "what is" nonjudgmentally? In other
> words, give yourself permission to get out of your own way for a time.
I tried for a long time, but I was caught. Read my awakening.
I am experiencing blockage. I have not slept much. I realize I
am experiencing the symptom of a disorder by not sleeping, but I have a
little more work to do before I sleep.
Dan
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