1998/01/07 21:51
kundalini-l-d Digest V98 #15
kundalini-l-d Digest Volume 98 : Issue 15
Today's Topics:
Re: Urdhava-retas [ Harsh Luthar <hlutharATnospamkeynes.bryant ]
melatonin [ David Bozzi <david.bozziATnospamsnet.net> ]
Re: Verification [ David Bozzi <david.bozziATnospamsnet.net> ]
Re: Verification [ David Bozzi <david.bozziATnospamsnet.net> ]
Re: Radiant Being [ anandajyoti <anandajyotiATnospamgeocities. ]
Free health reading [ Ann Morrison Fisher <annfisherATnospamstic ]
Re: Religion??/Prozac?? [ "Gloria Lee" <samyanaATnospamhotmail.com> ]
Re: isolation [ SchrLL <SchrLLATnospamaol.com> ]
Re: Melatonin [ SchrLL <SchrLLATnospamaol.com> ]
Re: Drug Poll [ SchrLL <SchrLLATnospamaol.com> ]
Re: Sarcasm/Jokes [ Gloria Greco <lodpressATnospamintercomm.co ]
Shahanshah [ Peswani <peswaniATnospamgiaspn01.vsnl.net. ]
genuine or delusion [ SchrLL <SchrLLATnospamaol.com> ]
Re: Religion??/Prozac?? [ sassiATnospamworldnet.att.net (Jack) ]
Re: genuine or delusion [ "\"RISHI PADHI\"" <rkpATnospamiimb.ernet.i ]
Date: Wed, 07 Jan 1998 18:59:10 -0800
From: Harsh Luthar <hlutharATnospamkeynes.bryant.edu>
To: DonBBenson <DonBBensonATnospamaol.com>
Cc: kundalini-lATnospamlists.execpc.com, Gene Kieffer <gkiefferATnospamnetaxis.com>
Subject: Re: Urdhava-retas
Message-Id: <34B440FE.449ATnospamkeynes.bryant.edu>
Dear Don,
Thank you for taking the time to share. I really appreciate it.
Best wishes always
Harsha
>
> Dear Harsha,
>
> Thank you for your kind words in several recent emails.
>
> Regarding brain function, initially I scored in the 85-92% range in
> standardized tests administered in third grade. After my initial Kundalini
> awakening on January 31, 1953, I usually scored in the 98th or 99th
> percentile. My best friend at that time was a budding scientific genius who
> was lacking in other areas. I saw that I could become an intellectual
> *genius* by concentrating on my studies but that this could leave me weak and
> unstable in other aspects of my life. So I chose to be a more normal kind of
> boy and develop in a more balanced and wholesome way. My friend graduated
> from Exeter in three years and shortly after arranging to graduate from
> Princeton in three years (working all night on research projects in the
> laboratories) he attempted suicide and landed in a psychiatric hospital. He
> eloped from there and later pioneered the development of *mini-computers* in
> the 1960s but his marriage failed.
>
> Regarding spiritual development, in that initial encounter with the
> resurrected Jesus of Nazareth (now established as Lord of lords and King of
> kings, Almighty God and perfect Son of Man, the last Adam (1 Corinthians
> 15:45)) I was completely undone by the awesome holiness of God and His
> kingdom. The contrast between God's holiness and my sinfulness was
> unbearable. But I did not understand that this could be resolved simply by
> surrendering myself to God. My native religion of Yankee Self-Reliance taught
> that I should become worthy by my own works. Meanwhile I was clueless and
> lacking in guidance from family, church and school regarding step by step
> practical development of holy living and character. Also, I kept my
> experiences and spiritual gifts secret for fear of being sent for psychiatric
> examination and being institutionalized. Having to sit in a classroom rather
> than hiking, swimming, fishing, wrestling, and playing baseball all the time
> was bad enough. I certainly didn't want to be locked up in a mental hospital.
> The prevailing pressure was to conform to the world, which I did by
> deliberately sinning and quenching the burning fire of the Holy Spirit which
> made a normal life in this world so difficult.
>
> The outcome was that I followed the atheistic evolutionary liberal humanist
> and socialist path of development which was increasingly promoted in the
> schools due to the influence of John Dewey et al. I had a vision of the
> kingdom of God, but I sought to implement it by worldly and humanistic means
> -- not realizing and admitting that this is impossible, due to intrinsic
> contradictions. Naturally, I joined up with Buckminster Fuller who said the
> way to enable all humankind to be completely successful on Spaceship Earth is
> by Comprehensive Anticipatory Design Science. I was about to help Bucky
> Fuller launch the World Game Project (to help solve all the world's problems
> by humanistic and technological means) in 1970 when he alienated Richard M.
> Nixon and the whole thing pretty much went down the drain.
>
> I was more ambitious than Bucky. He published an Operating Manual for
> Spaceship Earth. After earning a B.A. from Goddard College and an M.S. in
> Design Science from Southern Illinois University, I published a Guidebook to
> the Universe: Some Contributions to the Theory and Practice of Synergy --
> which, in addition to promoting Synergetics as "a field for all fields,"
> offered a "Design for a University of Earth" as the ideal paradigm for a New
> World Order, a global learning society for the New Age. This was my Ph.D.
> project (1977) in the Graduate School of the Union for Experimenting Colleges
> and Universities (now Union Institute in Cincinnati, Ohio).
>
> Pride goeth before a fall. The outcome of this grand achievement was that I
> floundered in humiliation and unemployment for three and a half years in the
> swamps of Hyde County, North Carolina. In March 1981, when I finally
> surrendered body, emotions, and intellect as well as spirit to Jesus Christ as
> my Lord and Savior, my life began anew. He led me into regular employment
> again (an office job that any high school graduate could do) and restored me
> to His church in an independent charismatic congregation. By divine grace and
> provision, my wife and I attended seminary from 1988 to 1991. I worked nights
> on the loading dock for a trucking company. Ann received an M.Div. from Duke
> Divinity School, and I received an M.Div. from Southeastern Baptist
> Theological Seminary.
>
> In other words, I didn't do a master of divinity and then a Ph.D. First, I
> earned a Ph.D. in a humanistic and New Age program. Then I repented.
> Fourteen years later, I earned a master of divinity and served for several
> years as a local pastor in United Methodist churches until the Pharisees and
> Sadducees decided to exclude me both from further consideration for ordination
> and from further appointment. They were outraged by the implication that
> maybe some of them needed to repent as well.
>
> Finally, I want to respond to your question about Messiah. The Hebrew word
> <mashiyach> means *anointed*; usually a divinely *consecrated* person as a
> king, priest, or saint. The prophet Samuel poured a flask of sacred oil on
> the young shephard boy David to show that he was chosen by God to be the
> anointed king (messiah the king) of Israel. The Psalms of David contain many
> prophecies -- some were fulfilled in the birth, life, crucifixion, death,
> burial, and resurrection of Jesus; some were fulfilled in the national
> restoration of Israel in 1948; some are yet future -- indicating that king
> David was a true prophet of God. There have been many messiahs among God's
> people over the years. Many of them have been prophets. But from the time of
> Moses who prophesied *The Lord your God will raise up for you a Prophet like
> me from your midst, from your brethren. Him you shall hear.* (Deuteronomy
> 18:15), it is understood that Moses was speaking of Jesus, the Son of Man and
> Son of God, who is all in all -- Prophet, Priest, King, Redeemer, Healer,
> Teacher, etc. -- who has come in humility as a sacrificial lamb and will come
> again in power and glory at the right time to destroy the works of
> unrighteousness and establish love, peace, and joy throughout all the realms
> of His entire creation. Christos is the Greek word for *anointed*.
>
> With best regards and blessings, Don
Date: Wed, 07 Jan 1998 20:02:33 -0500
From: David Bozzi <david.bozziATnospamsnet.net>
To: Kundalini <kundalini-lATnospamexecpc.com>
Subject: melatonin
Message-ID: <34B425A9.7063ATnospammail.snet.net>
Jack wrote:
>
> I'm not sure of the relationship of melatonin to seratonin but I
> believe most anti-depressants raise seratonin levels.
Serotonin is the precursor for melatonin.
Taking melatonin would not directly effect serotonin levels.
However it will synchronize your hormones properly.
Not a bad thing since melatonin levels start to decline at about age 20.
If you want to speed up the aging process, one good way is to get
your hormones out of synch.
For many it enhances dream recollection.
Date: Wed, 07 Jan 1998 20:10:51 -0500
From: David Bozzi <david.bozziATnospamsnet.net>
To: Kundalini <kundalini-lATnospamexecpc.com>
Subject: Re: Verification
Message-ID: <34B4279B.582FATnospammail.snet.net>
Richard Wentk wrote:
> If no one makes an effort to demystify these experiences they remain
> mysterious and frightening. I don't see how this does anyone any favours.
The only way I can deny this vast Mystery I inhabit right now would be
to
take a position of total arrogance.
> It's true that many doctors and scientists are knee-jerk sceptics, but a
> significant proportion have more open minds. Should we ignore the latter
> just because the former make the most noise?
Listen to the quiet ones.
Date: Wed, 07 Jan 1998 20:23:28 -0500
From: David Bozzi <david.bozziATnospamsnet.net>
To: Kundalini <kundalini-lATnospamexecpc.com>
Subject: Re: Verification
Message-ID: <34B42A90.2681ATnospammail.snet.net>
freda wrote:
> How will you distunquish between the "mad" and the "enlightened?"
This is old, but I can't resist.
Lunatic says to sage, "We see the same visions. Why is it you get
revered
and I locked-up?"
Sage replies, "Sage keep his mouth shut."
Date: Wed, 07 Jan 1998 17:17:51 -0800
From: anandajyoti <anandajyotiATnospamgeocities.com>
To: Ed Arrons <eeaATnospamaug.com>
CC: "kundalini-lATnospamexecpc.com" <kundalini-lATnospamexecpc.com>,
"heartzenATnospamlistserv.servtech.com" <heartzenATnospamlistserv.servtech.com>
Subject: Re: Radiant Being
Message-ID: <34B42934.FB08F58EATnospamgeocities.com>
Ed Arrons wrote:
> A mini-thesis...extension of etheric and light body subject.
>
> In attaining a stabile, 'radiant self', I am best able to meet my needs
> for commonality with others, a sense of community, and an expanding
> consciousness...coinciding with the ultimate goal of K.A.
>
> This aim is motivated by past and present conditioning of a fragmentary
> nature which creates instability in the self.
>
> So what is meant by the 'radiant self' and how is it attained?
>
> I am only beginning to identify/understand this phenomenon. I sense
> that the radiant self results from the flow of bio-electric currents -which
> is transmuted energy of the 'Supreme Essence'. ......I sense that this process,
> the radiant self, can be facilitated by a meditative
>
> focus on the bio-magnetic field which permeates the whole physical self.
>
Anandajyoti>
I do not consider the radiant self to be the result of bio magnetic currents, but
rather the bio magnetic currents could be the manifestations of the radiant self
on the physical plane.
And again, the meditative method should be to focus on the radiant self, instead
of the bio magnetic currents. When the biomagnetic currents manifest then only can
we postulate if the radiant self is the cause or not..
Just my thoughts on the above.
Anandajyoti
http://www.geocities.com/Athens/Forum/6782
Date: Wed, 7 Jan 1998 19:45:39 -0600
From: Ann Morrison Fisher <annfisherATnospamstic.net>
To: kundalini-lATnospamlists.execpc.com
Cc: heartzenATnospamlistserv.servtech.com
Subject: Free health reading
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Hi all:
I need a guinea pig - I have to do a health reading on someone for a class
tomorrow night. I'll send it to the lucky volunteer after Lynea checks it
out.
If you're interested, send me a name, your sex (if the name doesn't tell
me), the address where you'll be tonight, and your birth date with time if
you know it and place. Oh, and whether you have a Mac.
If you're in perfect health, please don't answer - I don't want to turn in
a blank paper!
The first person who answers is the winner of a free health reading!
Date: Wed, 07 Jan 1998 17:49:36 PST
From: "Gloria Lee" <samyanaATnospamhotmail.com>
To: sassiATnospamworldnet.att.net
Cc: Kundalini-lATnospamexecpc.com
Subject: Re: Religion??/Prozac??
Message-ID: <19980108014936.10122.qmailATnospamhotmail.com>
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>Fr to=20
>kundalini deserves deeper consideration than Jack's assumption
>here...no such easy generalizations are possible.
>
>
>Please Gloria,
>
> Don't put words in my mouth or assign assumptions to me. I
>asked a simple question and gave my opinion that probably not many of
>us used any medications. No generalizations were implied. So far today
>from the private email responses and those to the list it looks like a
>60/40 proposition. So what ? Doesn't make anything less valid.
>
>Regards,
>
>Jack
>
>Gloria Lee here:
Dear Jack..please accept my apology..I was actually reacting more to
Delirium's posting, which was a response to yours. Perhaps I
over-reacted and I am too sensitive to the issue of depression meds,
since there is so often a stigma given or felt around this issue, and I
deal with this often. My intention was to be supportive of Delirum. You,
in fact did not mean to imply any such good/bad judgements about ANY
medications?? So taking or not taking them is NOT an issue?? I was/and
am curious tho why you chose to mention depression meds specifically-as
you did say that in your first post- from all the myriads of pills out
there. Why not ask how many take vitamins?? Whatever is valid from your
poll?? I do not mean to be putting words in your mouth, but I have
evidently misunderstood entirely the purpose of your taking a poll.
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Date: Wed, 7 Jan 1998 21:05:31 EST
From: SchrLL <SchrLLATnospamaol.com>
To: hlutharATnospamkeynes.bryant.edu
Cc: kundalini-lATnospamexecpc.com
Subject: Re: isolation
Message-ID: <987384e3.34b4346cATnospamaol.com>
ATnospam->->--
Steve,
Feeling isolated is something I can identify with. Going through these changes
have turned people off to me at times, so I have found other ways to entertain
myself and found ways to find new friends who I have more in common with. This
list is a real blessing. Glad you are hanging in there. Just plug in here when
you need a boost.
Love and Light, Linda
Date: Wed, 7 Jan 1998 21:17:25 EST
From: SchrLL <SchrLLATnospamaol.com>
To: DruoutATnospamaol.com
Cc: kundalini-lATnospamexecpc.com
Subject: Re: Melatonin
Message-ID: <a6798f67.34b43737ATnospamaol.com>
In a message dated 98-01-07 13:28:34 EST, you write:
> Subj: Re: Melatonin
> Date: 98-01-07 13:28:34 EST
> From: Druout
> To: SchrLL
>
> Dear Linda,
>
> Interesting about the big toe. There is so much information spread out
> everywhere and hard to get at! Only one other person responded about the
> Melatonin, by the way, so maybe there is no connection!
>
> Am sending for your book, (Washington address) Am anxious to read it.
>
> Isn't ST wonderful! El Collie published my "journal" in the Nov/Dec issue.
> It felt such a relief not to keep this all to myself!
>
> Love, Hillary
ATnospam->->--
I hope you enjoy the book. Let me know what you think after you read it. I
forgot to mention that my book can be bought at the YES Bookshop in Washington
DC. It is a metaphysical bookstore on 1035 1st Street NW. That is actually in
Georgetown next to the canal.
I have that issue of 'Shared Transformations' so I'll dig it out and reread
it. The more we all share the the more it will help us all.
Love and Light, Linda
Date: Wed, 7 Jan 1998 21:21:24 EST
From: SchrLL <SchrLLATnospamaol.com>
To: merlinATnospampnn.com
Cc: kundalini-lATnospamexecpc.com
Subject: Re: Drug Poll
Message-ID: <8d5f95e9.34b43825ATnospamaol.com>
In a message dated 98-01-07 13:11:04 EST, you write:
>
> >---Jack wrote:
>
> >> I for one, would like to take a confidential poll as to how many of us
> >> are on any kind of medications, especially anti-depressants or
> >> painkillers. I think not many.
> >>
> >> Jack
ATnospam->->--
No drugs here, I'm high on the 'Natch'. Threw my pills down the toilet years
ago. I got to feeling so good the pills were a downer! :)<
Love and Light, Linda
Date: Wed, 07 Jan 1998 18:53:43 +0100
From: Gloria Greco <lodpressATnospamintercomm.com>
To: Gene Kieffer <gkiefferATnospamnetaxis.com>
CC: AthenaATnospamreninet.com, Kundalini-lATnospamexecpc.com, heartzenATnospamlistserv.servtech.com,
hlutharATnospamkeynes.bryant.edu, anandajyotiATnospamgeocities.com, NancyATnospamwtp.net
Subject: Re: Sarcasm/Jokes
Message-ID: <34B3C122.188ATnospamintercomm.com>
Gene Kieffer wrote:
>
> Dear Gloria,
>
> Your suggestion regarding my sarcasm and jokes has been taken to
> heart, and I will endeavor, hence forth, to modulate my tone and
> refine my humor.
HI Gene,
Good, I think that will help a lot, and when people aren't so defensive
they will settle down also. I knew you weren't serious but I can't tell
you how many wrote to me about it. So, yes that is a good thing. At
least you know we aren't sleeping, huh?
>
> For nearly 30 years, I've been licking stamps, typing addresses,
> trekking to the post office, and living next to my photocopy machine,
> all in an effort to get out the information on Kundalini. Now I feel
> that a new phase of the work is just beginning.
GG
I do believe there are very caring people on the lists and many kind of
jump between one list and another taking us with them. So, this is a
very good stream going out/
>
>
>
>
>
> "The lines occurred one after the other, as if dropped into
> the three-dimensionl field of my consciousness by another source
> of condensed knowledge within me. They started from the glowing
> recesses of my being, developing suddenly into fully formed couplets
> like falling snowflakes which, from tiny specks high up, became
> clear-cut, regularly shaped crystals when nearing the eye, and
> vanished so suddenly as to leave me hardly any time to retain
> them in my memory. They came fully formed, complete with
> language, rhyme, and meter, finished products originating as it
> seemed from the surrounding intelligence to pass before my internal
> eye for expression."
Gg
I relate because that is the way I write, for me I was a musician first
so really relate to harmony and chords so my fingers are very quick
moving and when your use to tuning into sound with music and feel those
notes entering inside it is very easy to respond. I always tell my dad
who started me in music when I was six, that I just changed keyboards
but I do the same thing on my computer, one brought out music and one
brought out music in another key, at that time it was my newspaper, I
would put my hands on my keyboard and say ready and then it was just
flow right on in.
And, I am having a urge now to get back to my music so I'm really
feeling that coming in, I think I will get one of those electric
piano's, where one person can make all these sounds. When I use to teach
music, ( I started at 16) I never liked even then playing what was
written, so I would explain to my students, who were only a few years
younger then me, ok now this is what music is. You have music that
someone else felt and wrote down, and then you have music inside of
yourself that is looking for a way to get out, this is the real
experience of music what you know inside.
The best way to do this is to have an instrument to release it, the
piano and accordian work fine... and if you are real sensitive you can
take this very sheet of music, use it to unlock your own musical
library, and once it's open...walla...you now get to experience what it
means to live inside the music.
I always had students who could relate to me, and they would learn the
piece as it was written and then I would say, now how do you feel it?
What would make this more interesting and alive for you? But, what I
haven't said, this use to drive my music teacher crazy, he was convinced
I would be a great professional if I would do as he said. But I would
play it at first as written and then say, it just isn't right for me.
And then I would have to do it the way it came to me. I think he thought
I had two heads. But I meant every word of it.
A few years after this, I couldn't really even make myself play from
sheet music at all, it was dead, I would compose my own, but the
strangest thing happened, if I wrote it down, I didn't want it anymore
either, it was dead. When it was alive was when it was in the moment and
came in completely from just opening and moving into it. Now, this is
the high, when you hear and feel it happen inside and then it manages to
get through to make song, chords that you would never think would
harmonize do and the melody is unbelievable. This is when it is really
incredible, and anything else is just a cheap imitation. So you see
Gene, I do understand what your saying.
.>
>
>
>
--
Enter The Silence to Know God ... and... accept life as the teacher.
Gloria Joy Greco
e-mail me at : lodpressATnospamintercomm.com and visit our homepages at:
http://users.intercomm.com/larryn/
&
http://www.freeyellow.com/members/zg888/
Hope you enjoy them!
Date: Thu, 8 Jan 1998 09:55:23 +0500 (GMT+0500)
From: Peswani <peswaniATnospamgiaspn01.vsnl.net.in>
To: kundalini-l <kundalini-lATnospamexecpc.com>
Subject: Shahanshah
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>
> Diary page dated 6.1.98
>
> since a last few days I have been controlling a strong desire to shout to
> the world at top of of my voice that I am new born son of God ( Highly
> evolved intelligent energy).
>
> This God taught me meditation on Suniata. This meditation burnt away all
> my past karmas and created enormous space inside me.
>
> Wisdom entered this empty space. And this wisdom made me one with Him and
> all life in this Universe.
>
> And then He bestowed on me a direct experience of Boddhicitta (Bhodimind)
> thro the process of Compassion for all the sentients and physical life.
>
> Earlier my sick body was brought back to normal health when all my my past
> karmas were burnt.
>
> My business and financial matters were destroyed and reconstructed in such
> a way that I have become completely free and better in every way.
>
> My mental state is all the time that of peace and happiness.
>
> Physically I contribute to the world around me peace, happiness, financial
> and physical help as that is aound me in abundence just by my being alive
> and present.
>
> Boddhicitta mind collects thro compassion....................... anger,
> hatred, fear, jealousies etc. etc. around me from both life and sentients
> every minute of my life and converts this negative energy into divine
> Suniata energy.
>
> I am newly born son of God directly growing with this divine Suniata
> energy every moment. My sphere of influence is increasing day by day with
> this growing.
>
> I am the future Boddhisattva or Christ or Buddha or Shahanshah (king of kings).
>
> Egoist ram is no more. So many entities and sentients have entered in
> ram's body and converted into divine energy thro Suniata meditation, that
> ram is becoming smaller and smaller and is bound to disappear one day.
> This takes care of Gloria Greco worry ab out ram.
>
> Good bye ram.
> Along comes Shahanshah.
Date: Wed, 7 Jan 1998 23:21:32 EST
From: SchrLL <SchrLLATnospamaol.com>
To: kundalini-lATnospamexecpc.com
Subject: genuine or delusion
Message-ID: <8c94351a.34b4544eATnospamaol.com>
Now this brings up another question: How can one know whether
> his/her Kundalini is genuine or a delusion? We all know what hypnosis
> can do, and we all know that a lot of people these days are
> self-deluded about a lotof things. Is there any objective way to know
> who's deluded when it comes to our favorite subject?
ATnospam->->--
.......A quote above from someone to us all which has me going.
We can know if we get information about what kundalini is, how it feels, what
to do with it, etc. etc. I think most of us on this list have enough
intelligence know if we are genuine or delusional. The information was not
always easy to find, but when you are as desparate as one who is 'ripe' with
kundalini in a country that basically knows nothing about it, you will find
the answers.
Many of us read books, took yoga classes, and , yes, even talked to our
Selves. One of my favorite yoga teachers wrote a book called, "Be Your Own
Guru." Sri Yukteswar. "Be Here Now" was another of my favorites. Fortunately
for me I was living on the West Coast where people are more capable of dealing
with new things. (new to the west, not new new).
I just happened to be taking biofeedback classes when this was going on. Guess
what folks, the machine knew. That's objective. You should have seen the
needle go. And then there's RD Laing and Gene Keiffer's books about Gopi
Krishna.
I think we know we are not delusional. Something very impoortant has been
happening to a whole lot of us and I am very excited about it. There are a lot
of very genuine people on this list who are evolving. We are pioneers! Cha Cha
Cha
Love and Light, Linda
Date: Thu, 08 Jan 1998 04:28:10 GMT
From: sassiATnospamworldnet.att.net (Jack)
To: kundalini-lATnospamexecpc.com
Cc: "Gloria Lee" <samyanaATnospamhotmail.com>
Subject: Re: Religion??/Prozac??
Message-ID: <34b955b3.15528076ATnospammailhost.worldnet.att.net>
Dear Jack..please accept my apology..I was actually reacting more to
Delirium's posting, which was a response to yours. Perhaps I
over-reacted and I am too sensitive to the issue of depression meds,
since there is so often a stigma given or felt around this issue, and
I deal with this often. My intention was to be supportive of Delirum.
You, in fact did not mean to imply any such good/bad judgements about
ANY medications?? So taking or not taking them is NOT an issue?? I
was/and am curious tho why you chose to mention depression meds
specifically-as you did say that in your first post- from all the
myriads of pills out there. Why not ask how many take vitamins??
I mentioned anti-depressants and narcotic painkillers because when
taken moderately are said to have no side affects that would be
mistaken for K. Anti-psychotics, sedatives, etc. could, so I thought
not to mention them. As you may have read in a previous post I am
familiar with Zoloft and recommend it's use. When I awoke I slowly
weened myself from AD's and a non-narcotic pain killer. No judgements.
Knowing the hell of depression and the relief obtained from Prozac,
Zoloft, etc. I just found K-awakening preferable to the use of AD's.
Sometimes quotes from other post get mixed in and sometimes an idea
may come across with a different meaning than intended. Certainly no
reason to apologize, Gloria, but thank you none the less.
Whatever is valid from your poll?? I do not mean to be putting words
in your mouth, but I have evidently misunderstood entirely the purpose
of your taking a poll.
Nothing is valid from the poll. Gloria Greco put it better than I
could. We decide for ourselves what is valid and what is not.
Peace,
Jack
Date: Thu, 8 Jan 1998 10:18:03 +0500 (GMT+0500)
From: "\"RISHI PADHI\"" <rkpATnospamiimb.ernet.in>
To: SchrLL <SchrLLATnospamaol.com>
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Subject: Re: genuine or delusion
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On Wed, 7 Jan 1998, SchrLL wrote:
> Now this brings up another question: How can one know whether
> > his/her Kundalini is genuine or a delusion? We all know what hypnosis
> > can do, and we all know that a lot of people these days are
> > self-deluded about a lotof things. Is there any objective way to know
> > who's deluded when it comes to our favorite subject?
>
> ATnospam->->--
> .......A quote above from someone to us all which has me going.
> We can know if we get information about what kundalini is, how it feels, what
> to do with it, etc. etc. I think most of us on this list have enough
> intelligence know if we are genuine or delusional. The information was not
> always easy to find, but when you are as desparate as one who is 'ripe' with
> kundalini in a country that basically knows nothing about it, you will find
> the answers.
> Many of us read books, took yoga classes, and , yes, even talked to our
> Selves. One of my favorite yoga teachers wrote a book called, "Be Your Own
> Guru." Sri Yukteswar. "Be Here Now" was another of my favorites. Fortunately
> for me I was living on the West Coast where people are more capable of dealing
> with new things. (new to the west, not new new).
> I just happened to be taking biofeedback classes when this was going on. Guess
> what folks, the machine knew. That's objective. You should have seen the
> needle go. And then there's RD Laing and Gene Keiffer's books about Gopi
> Krishna.
> I think we know we are not delusional. Something very impoortant has been
> happening to a whole lot of us and I am very excited about it. There are a lot
> of very genuine people on this list who are evolving. We are pioneers! Cha Cha
> Cha
> Love and Light, Linda
>
>
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