1998/01/07 13:52-kundalini-l-d Digest V98 #13

1998/01/07 13:52
kundalini-l-d Digest V98 #13

kundalini-l-d Digest Volume 98 : Issue 13

Today's Topics:
  Re: Urdhava-retas [ DonBBenson <DonBBensonATnospamaol.com> ]
  Re: Religion?? [ Delirium <deliriumATnospamfull-moon.com> ]
  Re: Religion?? [ Druout <DruoutATnospamaol.com> ]
  Re: AutoPost from Kundalini Resource [ Druout <DruoutATnospamaol.com> ]
  Re: Faith/Religion [ Gloria Greco <lodpressATnospamintercomm.co ]
  Re: AutoPost from Kundalini Resource [ Gloria Greco <lodpressATnospamintercomm.co ]
  Re: AutoPost from Kundalini Resource [ Gloria Greco <lodpressATnospamintercomm.co ]
  Re: Music for Heart and Soul [ Gloria Greco <lodpressATnospamintercomm.co ]
  Re: Faith/Religion [ Gloria Greco <lodpressATnospamintercomm.co ]
  Re: Religion?? [ Gloria Greco <lodpressATnospamintercomm.co ]
  Re: Religion?? [ Gloria Greco <lodpressATnospamintercomm.co ]
  Re: Religion?? [ RadiantTch <RadiantTchATnospamaol.com> ]
  Re: HRTZEN: Verification [ VBrisson <VBrissonATnospamaol.com> ]
  Re: Religion??/Prozac?? [ "Gloria Lee" <samyanaATnospamhotmail.com> ]
  FREE [ Gene Kieffer <gkiefferATnospamnetaxis.com> ]
  Re: HRTZEN: Verification [ Gene Kieffer <gkiefferATnospamnetaxis.com> ]
Date: Wed, 7 Jan 1998 13:42:42 EST
From: DonBBenson <DonBBensonATnospamaol.com>
To: hlutharATnospamkeynes.bryant.edu
Cc: kundalini-lATnospamlists.execpc.com, gkiefferATnospamnetaxis.com (Gene Kieffer)
Subject: Re: Urdhava-retas
Message-ID: <f40e37cc.34b3cca4ATnospamaol.com>

In a message dated 97-12-21 21:30:29 EST, you write:

<< I am not surprised that you ended up doing a master of
divinity and then a Ph.D. One effect of the Kundalini is to enhance the
brain function. And in your case, despite your admitted lack of
abstinence due to youthful tendencies, the Shakti must have certainly
helped. By the way in India, the word used to refer to Jesus is also
Messiha which translates into english as Prophet. Is this the proper
translation in your view?

Harsha >>

Dear Harsha,

Thank you for your kind words in several recent emails.

Regarding brain function, initially I scored in the 85-92% range in
standardized tests administered in third grade. After my initial Kundalini
awakening on January 31, 1953, I usually scored in the 98th or 99th
percentile. My best friend at that time was a budding scientific genius who
was lacking in other areas. I saw that I could become an intellectual
*genius* by concentrating on my studies but that this could leave me weak and
unstable in other aspects of my life. So I chose to be a more normal kind of
boy and develop in a more balanced and wholesome way. My friend graduated
from Exeter in three years and shortly after arranging to graduate from
Princeton in three years (working all night on research projects in the
laboratories) he attempted suicide and landed in a psychiatric hospital. He
eloped from there and later pioneered the development of *mini-computers* in
the 1960s but his marriage failed.

Regarding spiritual development, in that initial encounter with the
resurrected Jesus of Nazareth (now established as Lord of lords and King of
kings, Almighty God and perfect Son of Man, the last Adam (1 Corinthians
15:45)) I was completely undone by the awesome holiness of God and His
kingdom. The contrast between God's holiness and my sinfulness was
unbearable. But I did not understand that this could be resolved simply by
surrendering myself to God. My native religion of Yankee Self-Reliance taught
that I should become worthy by my own works. Meanwhile I was clueless and
lacking in guidance from family, church and school regarding step by step
practical development of holy living and character. Also, I kept my
experiences and spiritual gifts secret for fear of being sent for psychiatric
examination and being institutionalized. Having to sit in a classroom rather
than hiking, swimming, fishing, wrestling, and playing baseball all the time
was bad enough. I certainly didn't want to be locked up in a mental hospital.
The prevailing pressure was to conform to the world, which I did by
deliberately sinning and quenching the burning fire of the Holy Spirit which
made a normal life in this world so difficult.

The outcome was that I followed the atheistic evolutionary liberal humanist
and socialist path of development which was increasingly promoted in the
schools due to the influence of John Dewey et al. I had a vision of the
kingdom of God, but I sought to implement it by worldly and humanistic means
-- not realizing and admitting that this is impossible, due to intrinsic
contradictions. Naturally, I joined up with Buckminster Fuller who said the
way to enable all humankind to be completely successful on Spaceship Earth is
by Comprehensive Anticipatory Design Science. I was about to help Bucky
Fuller launch the World Game Project (to help solve all the world's problems
by humanistic and technological means) in 1970 when he alienated Richard M.
Nixon and the whole thing pretty much went down the drain.

I was more ambitious than Bucky. He published an Operating Manual for
Spaceship Earth. After earning a B.A. from Goddard College and an M.S. in
Design Science from Southern Illinois University, I published a Guidebook to
the Universe: Some Contributions to the Theory and Practice of Synergy --
which, in addition to promoting Synergetics as "a field for all fields,"
offered a "Design for a University of Earth" as the ideal paradigm for a New
World Order, a global learning society for the New Age. This was my Ph.D.
project (1977) in the Graduate School of the Union for Experimenting Colleges
and Universities (now Union Institute in Cincinnati, Ohio).

Pride goeth before a fall. The outcome of this grand achievement was that I
floundered in humiliation and unemployment for three and a half years in the
swamps of Hyde County, North Carolina. In March 1981, when I finally
surrendered body, emotions, and intellect as well as spirit to Jesus Christ as
my Lord and Savior, my life began anew. He led me into regular employment
again (an office job that any high school graduate could do) and restored me
to His church in an independent charismatic congregation. By divine grace and
provision, my wife and I attended seminary from 1988 to 1991. I worked nights
on the loading dock for a trucking company. Ann received an M.Div. from Duke
Divinity School, and I received an M.Div. from Southeastern Baptist
Theological Seminary.

In other words, I didn't do a master of divinity and then a Ph.D. First, I
earned a Ph.D. in a humanistic and New Age program. Then I repented.
Fourteen years later, I earned a master of divinity and served for several
years as a local pastor in United Methodist churches until the Pharisees and
Sadducees decided to exclude me both from further consideration for ordination
and from further appointment. They were outraged by the implication that
maybe some of them needed to repent as well.

Finally, I want to respond to your question about Messiah. The Hebrew word
<mashiyach> means *anointed*; usually a divinely *consecrated* person as a
king, priest, or saint. The prophet Samuel poured a flask of sacred oil on
the young shephard boy David to show that he was chosen by God to be the
anointed king (messiah the king) of Israel. The Psalms of David contain many
prophecies -- some were fulfilled in the birth, life, crucifixion, death,
burial, and resurrection of Jesus; some were fulfilled in the national
restoration of Israel in 1948; some are yet future -- indicating that king
David was a true prophet of God. There have been many messiahs among God's
people over the years. Many of them have been prophets. But from the time of
Moses who prophesied *The Lord your God will raise up for you a Prophet like
me from your midst, from your brethren. Him you shall hear.* (Deuteronomy
18:15), it is understood that Moses was speaking of Jesus, the Son of Man and
Son of God, who is all in all -- Prophet, Priest, King, Redeemer, Healer,
Teacher, etc. -- who has come in humility as a sacrificial lamb and will come
again in power and glory at the right time to destroy the works of
unrighteousness and establish love, peace, and joy throughout all the realms
of His entire creation. Christos is the Greek word for *anointed*.

With best regards and blessings, Don
Date: Wed, 07 Jan 1998 12:52:43 +0000
From: Delirium <deliriumATnospamfull-moon.com>
To: Kundalini-l <Kundalini-lATnospamexecpc.com>
Subject: Re: Religion??
Message-ID: <34B37A96.9285EB54ATnospamfull-moon.com>
Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii; x-mac-type="54455854"; x-mac-creator="4D4F5353"

> >---Jack wrote:
>
> >> I for one, would like to take a confidential poll as to how many of us
> >> are on any kind of medications, especially anti-depressants or
> >> painkillers. I think not many.
>

for the record, since September of this year (yes, coinciding with the
depression after Princess Diana's death) I have been taking Prozac...also for
the record, I was taking Prozac for nearly two years straight back in 1992 and
didn't have any of this sort of experiences at that time.

I'd like to propose that if K-awakening has anything to do with the Prozac, so
be it...like the shaman's tools perhaps... so if there is a K-lister or two
frowning right now and doubting the validity of a K-experience while medicated
with Prozac, suspend your doubts and think with compassion towards the
Prozac...what I mean by this is that Prozac is as much as a part of the big
picture as anything else...if bodies, if objects, if "consensual reality" is
illusionary, then *any* drug is, in a way, simply a "placebo" that allows us
to feel "better" ... whatever that may be! Horses for courses, etcetera.

(okay, clear as mud as ever!)

Blessings--Delirium (Kath)

>
>
Date: Wed, 7 Jan 1998 13:39:33 EST
From: Druout <DruoutATnospamaol.com>
To: sassiATnospamWORLDNET.ATT.NET, kundalini-lATnospamexecpc.com
Subject: Re: Religion??
Message-ID: <3f1446c5.34b3cbe7ATnospamaol.com>

Dear Jack,

Interesting poll. I'm taking nothing but an occasional aspirin, vitamines,
and an occasional Melatonin (was 3mg now 1mg) to help me sleep.

Only one person answered my query that thought Melatonin had any effect on K,
so maybe there is no connection.

Hillary
Date: Wed, 7 Jan 1998 13:51:02 EST
From: Druout <DruoutATnospamaol.com>
To: parryijATnospamacay.com.au
Cc: Kundalini-lATnospamexecpc.com
Subject: Re: AutoPost from Kundalini Resource Center
Message-ID: <7ea7f947.34b3ce98ATnospamaol.com>

Dear Steve,

I've only been going through this for a bit over a year, so you could
probably tell me a thing or two. I feel one has to trust what Krishanmurti
termed "the Process" and not fight it in any way. (hard advice to follow
sometimes) . The Shared Transformation newsletter has helped me a great deal,
too.

Love,
Hillary
Date: Wed, 07 Jan 1998 10:26:45 +0100
From: Gloria Greco <lodpressATnospamintercomm.com>
To: Jack <sassiATnospamworldnet.att.net>
CC: kundalini-lATnospamexecpc.com
Subject: Re: Faith/Religion
Message-ID: <34B34A54.5FFDATnospamintercomm.com>

Jack wrote:
>
> Just what the world needs is another religion.
> Please. Don't continue this thread.
> I hope my suggestion on changing labels didn't have anything to do
> with this terrible idea. I just thought that Kundalini denotes yoga
> and yoga to a lot of people means New Age which in turn begets a
> credibility gap with quite a few. I thought a new label would help
> draw new interest, especially to those going through awakening alone
> and not knowing where to turn.
>
> Jack

Everyone, Gloria here. Gene was being scarcastic, he didn't mean for
everyone to take him literally.

Harsh Luthar wrote:
>
> Do not feel Isolated Steve. There are many good and wise people on the
> list and all around you. I wish you well.
>
> Harsha
>
> Steve Hodgson wrote:
> >
> > .
> >
> > By the way, thanks to all involved in setting up and participating
> > in this(these) site(s).
> > At the moment I am feeling particularly isolated.

It takes a little while to get into the flow, it will happen. Gloria
> >
> >

>
> MARK S. WAIND wrote:
> >
> > HELLO FRIENDS. I AM NEW TO THE KRC. I AM 43 YEARS OF AGE; A TEACHER;
> > A MUSICIAN AND POET AND HAVE BEEN GOING THRU AN AWAKENING FOR
> > APPROXIMATELY 9 YEARS. THROUGHOUT THIS TIME PERIOD I HAVE CRAWLED HELL
> > AND SOARED HEAVEN. I NOW WELCOME THE CHANGE INSTEAD OF FIGHTING IT. I HAD
> > NO IDEA THAT SPIRITUAL GROWTH INVOLVED SUCH A MASSIVE CHANGE IN ONE'S
> > PHYSICAL STRUCTURE. I THOUGHT I WAS GOING CRAZY.
> > "GOD WORKS IN MYSTERIOUS WAYS!"

HI Mark,
Many people have this same kind of experience and even find other
languages coming through, spirit normally interprets it, you do know
what it means from inside, don't you?
The body movements and sounds are all a part of the dance which you
learn to simply just take into the overall process of living in the
flow.
I usually ask people to go to my homepage to check out my story so that
we don't have to go through all of it, and then it is easier to share.
Would you like to do that? I will looking forward to getting to know
you. Gloria
> >
> >

Enter The Silence to Know God ... and... accept life as the teacher.
Gloria Joy Greco
e-mail me at : lodpressATnospamintercomm.com and visit our homepages at:
http://users.intercomm.com/larryn/
&
http://www.freeyellow.com/members/zg888/
Hope you enjoy them!
Date: Wed, 07 Jan 1998 10:45:36 +0100
From: Gloria Greco <lodpressATnospamintercomm.com>
To: DonBBenson <DonBBensonATnospamaol.com>
CC: kundalini-lATnospamlists.execpc.com
Subject: Re: Music for Heart and Soul
Message-ID: <34B34EBF.5F44ATnospamintercomm.com>

DonBBenson wrote:
>
> Dear Gloria Joy,
> A musician friend in Charleston, SC, just sent Ann and me the web address
> of the Taize community in France and said she was planning to accompany three
> elderly friends on a pilgrimage there in May. Are you familiar with the
> spiritual music of Taize? It resonates peace and joy in the heart in a most
> blessed way.
> If your computer has audio capability, I highly recommend that you
> download and listen to some of the Taize sound clips available at their
> website:
>
> <A HREF="http://www.taize.fr/">The Taizé Community - Main Menu - Texts by
> Br...</A>
>
> << http://www.taize.fr/ >>
>
> If you can receive it, I want to put the Lord's name on you today:
>
> The Lord bless you and keep you;
> The Lord make His face shine upon you,
> And be gracious to you;
> The Lord lift up His countenance upon you,
> And give you peace.
>
> Amen?
>
> In His love, Don
>
> P.S. In case two or three other members of the K-list can accept this as well,
> I am sharing with all.

How about this for a synchonicity, I was there. And, I attended their
meditation and loved the music. My friend and I did a three week
supernatural trip in Europe and Taize was one of the places we visited.
It is very nice, tell them to check out Rennes Le Chateau, and Lourdes
as well. Gloria I will check it out.

Harsh K. Luthar wrote:
>
> Gene Kieffer wrote:
> > > >> Dear Teresa,
> >
> > Please lighten up. What I said about religion was obvious to
> > the majority that it was a JOKE!!!!!

Gloria:
You see I have known Gene for about six months or more, and I'm still
having to tune into when he is serious and when he isn't, so Gene, dear
friend, perhaps since you are writing to over 300 people here on the
list, that you can be more clear with your jokes. How about writing
right after it, this is a joke. Some people have the knack of pulling
off a joke and some don't, I'm very sorry to say, dear one. You don't.
> >
> > GENE
>
> Harsha writes: It may be Gene that from the way you communicate with
> people, it is not obvious that you have any sense of humor. Honestly.
>
> May the Force be with you oh Grasshopper Gene! (That is an example of
>

>
> >> I for one, would like to take a confidential poll as to how many of us
> >> are on any kind of medications, especially anti-depressants or
> >> painkillers. I think not many.
> >>
> >> Jack

Drugs and kundalini really don't go together well, if you have a surgery
and are on something for a few days that is one thing but to take
something ongoing would not be recommended. Gloria
> >>
> >>

Jack wrote:
>
> Now this brings up another question: How can one know whether
> his/her Kundalini is genuine or a delusion? We all know what hypnosis
> can do, andwe all know that a lot of people these days are
> self-deluded about a lotof things. Is there any objective way to know
> who's deluded when it comes to our favorite subject?
>
> I for one, would like to take a confidential poll as to how many of us
> are on any kind of medications, especially anti-depressants or
> painkillers. I think not many.
>
> Jack

Gloria here:
Kundalini manifests the whole spiritual awareness, so the best way of
knowing something is real is how it changes the individual inside and
out for the better. In other words, there is fruit of knowledge, the
ability to perceive and detach, awareness of what is going on in a very
balanced way, and the ability to help others without any thought of
anything in return. This is also consistant without a break, because it
is spiritual understanding since one is now awake to spiritual realities
it is only natural to respond with love and consideration to all living
things.
When one is up and down, with mood swings, frustrated, angry, etc. then
I would look at it very differently. From my experience that doesn't
enter the process in the least.

In a message dated 98-01-07 13:52:21 EST, DruoutATnospamaol.com writes:

<< Only one person answered my query that thought Melatonin had any effect on
K,
so maybe there is no connection.
Hillary >>

Maybe there is no connection with them or I, but that does not rule out YOUR
experience. Trust yourself, not consensus. And that's NOT an order! ;-)

Blessings,
Barbara Ellen

Radiant Touch* Healing
Spirit-guided Psychic Advisor/Healer
Healing Words, Healing Energy via E-mail
RadiantTchATnospamaol.com
Date: Wed, 7 Jan 1998 14:37:37 EST
From: VBrisson <VBrissonATnospamaol.com>
To: gkiefferATnospamnetaxis.com, NancyATnospamwtp.net
Cc: kundalini-lATnospamexecpc.com, heartzenATnospamlistserv.servtech.com
Subject: Re: HRTZEN: Verification
Message-ID: <3cfb4a52.34b3d983ATnospamaol.com>

In a message dated 1/4/98 5:18:55 PM EST, gkiefferATnospamnetaxis.com writes:

<< So those who KNOW they are Enlightened, or whatever, might
feel that it wouldn't be such a bad idea if the scientific community
were to verify the existence of Kundalini.
>>
If the scientific community were to verify some physical evidence in the
awakening of K, they could classify it as a disorder of the same type of, say,
schizophrenia, as a type of chemical imbalance or other of the brain. What's
genius for some is madness to others. How do you address that?

Love to all. Viviane.
Date: Wed, 07 Jan 1998 12:16:36 PST
From: "Gloria Lee" <samyanaATnospamhotmail.com>
To: deliriumATnospamionet.net
Cc: Kundalini-lATnospamexecpc.com
Subject: Re: Religion??/Prozac??
Message-ID: <19980107201637.25070.qmailATnospamhotmail.com>
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>
>> >---Jack wrote:
>>
>> >> I for one, would like to take a confidential poll as to how many
of us
>> >> are on any kind of medications, especially anti-depressants or
>> >> painkillers. I think not many.
>>
>Delerium wrote:
>for the record, since September of this year (yes, coinciding with the
>depression after Princess Diana's death) I have been taking
Prozac...also for
>the record, I was taking Prozac for nearly two years straight back in
1992 and
>didn't have any of this sort of experiences at that time.
>
>I'd like to propose that if K-awakening has anything to do with the
Prozac, so
>be it...like the shaman's tools perhaps... so if there is a K-lister or
two
>frowning right now and doubting the validity of a K-experience while
medicated
>with Prozac, suspend your doubts and think with compassion towards the
>Prozac...what I mean by this is that Prozac is as much as a part of the
big
>picture as anything else...if bodies, if objects, if "consensual
reality" is
>illusionary, then *any* drug is, in a way, simply a "placebo" that
allows us
>to feel "better" ... whatever that may be! Horses for courses,
etcetera.
>
>(okay, clear as mud as ever!)
>
>Blessings--Delirium (Kath)
>
Gloria Lee here:
Bless you, indeed, Delirium. As a therapist, I have mixed feelings about
drugs... perhaps mostly a concern for those who only take the drug and
do not examine their feelings in any other way. But drugs are so often
helpful just to restore one to *normality*..then able to tackle any
other life issues. However, I do wonder what is behind Jack's original
question. Is Kundalini meant to be a cure-all for whatever else ails
anyone..body or mind?? We partake of the frailties..all the human race
is prone to...even the suggestion of the previous thread re: high IQ and
genius tends also to suggest some form of natural superiority in
selection..a super race?? a new breed of evolved humanity?? Just because
some paranormal seeming states may also happen along with Kundalini? I,
for one, think it is important to resist this sort of elitist
propaganda..nor do I feel it is accurate in any way. Considering how
often it has been viewed as a sign of mental and physical
disturbance..the whole clarification of what may be fairly attributed to
kundalini deserves deeper consideration than Jack's assumption here...no
such easy generalizations are possible. I applaud Delirum's courage..let
us not be in any way *exclusive*..ego will not serve our spiritual
growth.

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Date: Wed, 7 Jan 1998 15:17:46 -0500 (EST)
From: Gene Kieffer <gkiefferATnospamnetaxis.com>
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Dear Dor,

Thanks for the kind words. I guess I have been at this game
much too long and get the idea that everyone else has been in it
as long as I have.

The other day I offered K-people some articles, pamphlets and
a book, THE SHAPE OF EVENTS TO COME, free if they left me their
mailing addresses. Today I spent about three hours fulfilling
those requests, sending out one book, one dozen articles, one
pamphlet, and one pamphlet.

If you give me your mailing address, I'll send you the same
batch of material.

Thanks again,
gene
Date: Wed, 7 Jan 1998 15:42:50 -0500 (EST)
From: Gene Kieffer <gkiefferATnospamnetaxis.com>
To: VBrisson <VBrissonATnospamaol.com>
Cc: AthenaATnospamreninet.com, Kundalini-lATnospamexecpc.com, heartzenATnospamlistserv.servtech.com,
hlutharATnospamkeynes.bryant.edu, anandajyotiATnospamgeocities.com, NancyATnospamwtp.net
Subject: Re: HRTZEN: Verification
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At 02:37 PM 1/7/98 EST, you wrote:
>In a message dated 1/4/98 5:18:55 PM EST, gkiefferATnospamnetaxis.com writes:
>
><< So those who KNOW they are Enlightened, or whatever, might
> feel that it wouldn't be such a bad idea if the scientific community
> were to verify the existence of Kundalini.
> >>
>If the scientific community were to verify some physical evidence in the
>awakening of K, they could classify it as a disorder of the same type of, say,
>schizophrenia, as a type of chemical imbalance or other of the brain. What's
>genius for some is madness to others. How do you address that?
>
>Love to all. Viviane.
>
>
Dear Viviane,

We should not assume, automatically, that these scientists will be
dummies. They will know everything we know and maybe a lot more. We have gone
over this question a hundred times and have written very extensively about it.
That is why we assume that many of the K-people would have thought about it
and learned a lot over the years.

Today we sent out packages of reading material to the most recent
K-people who requested it---one letter; one book; one pamphlet and
one dozen different articles. That is about the tip of the available
iceberg of material we have in our files, but it is sufficient to give
us all a new perspective on Kundalini.

As I've said many times, anyone who wishes to receive this package
of articles, etc., need only email us their mailing address.

Thanks again for your observations. But to be specific, the Research
Project is not something we just dreamed up last month. We have
enunciated it in considerable detail in various proposals.

Ideally, we would want to have from one hundred to two hundred
candidates who would dedicate themselves to awakening Kundalini on a
full time basis, something like an ashram, but not an ashram. They
would be under the guidance of experienced gurus and knowledgeable
and SYPATHETIC scientists who have either awakened Kundalini themselves
(you some scientists are just like us!) or would be attempting to do
so. The goal would be to have one, two or three of the candidates
awaken Kundalini spontaneously, at which time they would be monitored
very carefully.

You see, Viviane, these scientists would know all the available
facts about Urdhava-retas. And, they would have read all of the available
ancient texts. And, most importantly, they would have consulted with
the gurus from India and elsewhere and enlisted their assistance.

The Research Program would not be a little thing. It would cost
a great deal of money and would be highly visible to anyone who has
an interest. No secrets here. This is science.

Thanks again,

Gene

P. S. Leave your mailing address and we'll send you some articles
free.

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1998/01/07 13:52 kundalini-l-d Digest V98 #13

1998/01/07 13:52
kundalini-l-d Digest V98 #13