1998/01/06 05:13
kundalini-l-d Digest V98 #9
kundalini-l-d Digest Volume 98 : Issue 9
Today's Topics:
Re: Help - Moral Dilemma? Off subjec [ Gloria Greco <lodpressATnospamintercomm.co ]
Re: MUST [ Gloria Greco <lodpressATnospamintercomm.co ]
Re: Moral Dilemma solved [ SchrLL <SchrLLATnospamaol.com> ]
Re: Welcome Back Mystress [ Mystress Angelique Serpent <mistres ]
Re: Exceptions [ SchrLL <SchrLLATnospamaol.com> ]
K or vivid imagination? [ ori <oriATnospameskimo.com> ]
Re: Sadism *also* female Pheromones [ Ann Morrison Fisher <annfisherATnospamstic ]
Re: Faith/Religion [ Ann Morrison Fisher <annfisherATnospamstic ]
Re: Transcendent...can't get enough [ Ann Morrison Fisher <annfisherATnospamstic ]
Re: Comment on newbie report [ Ann Morrison Fisher <annfisherATnospamstic ]
Re: Problems with auras over - but n [ Ann Morrison Fisher <annfisherATnospamstic ]
Date: Mon, 05 Jan 1998 19:36:18 +0100
From: Gloria Greco <lodpressATnospamintercomm.com>
To: Danielle R Dumont <jacinthaATnospamjuno.com>
CC: kundalini-lATnospamexecpc.com
Subject: Re: Help - Moral Dilemma? Off subject-long
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Danielle R Dumont wrote:
> freakin' $600.00 printer back that is at my house.
>
> DILEMMA - is it wrong then to continue to press charges and go after him
> for theft if we get back the important stuff? My husband thinks if I
> keep this alive and make him pay for his crime it will bring me to his
> level. Should I let the universe take care of it or
> risk a karma payback? He didn't take anything we cant replace and have
> replaced most of it (except for the files and artwork).
>
> Thanks for listening I had to get this off my chest.
>
> Jacintha
Jacintha,
What can you do to leave go of it, can you turn it over to God and go
deep into a meditation to get the answer from within. You know what you
need to do, and the best way to really know is to get it directly.
Whatever you can do to bring balance back inside for you and your
husband, hopefully this person will have some inner conflict, but you
can't count on that. It is easy to love those who are nice and friends,
but to love those who are the opposite brings up the real test. Gloria
--
Enter The Silence to Know God ... and... accept life as the teacher.
Gloria Joy Greco
e-mail me at : lodpressATnospamintercomm.com and visit our homepages at:
http://users.intercomm.com/larryn/
&
http://www.freeyellow.com/members/zg888/
Hope you enjoy them!
Date: Mon, 05 Jan 1998 19:50:25 +0100
From: Gloria Greco <lodpressATnospamintercomm.com>
To: SchrLL <SchrLLATnospamaol.com>, kundalini-lATnospamexecpc.com
CC: heartzenATnospamlistserv.servtech.com
Subject: Re: MUST
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Gloria Greco wrote:
>
> SchrLL wrote:
> >
> > In a message dated 98-01-05 14:04:21 EST, you write:
> >
> > >
> > > > I'm sorry about the experiences some of you have gone through. But I do
> > > > think it's important - WHEN YOU CAN - to speak up about kundalini.
>
> GG
> Yes, it is important to speak but it is also important to listen inside
> so that it in the flow with spirit and in harmony with the individual
> your addressing. Not everyone can relate to what we say or even our
> language, especially sometimes those of a fundamental Christian
> background, not to say there is anything wrong with this. In this case
> you need to totally change the words used, etc. Meditation, kundalini,
> these words are difficult for some, so if you do get into a discussion
> you might be prepared for some fear, misunderstanding, and communication
> barriers that can arise. I was on the centering prayer list for a while
> and it was difficult for some of the folks because of the words I used,
> I quickly changed my words and it calmed right down. But, one has to be
> prepared and able to make these adjustments, I don't look at it as
> anything but difficulty in communication, you can say anything to anyone
> as long as it is said with love and a sincere heart.
> >
> > ATnospam->->--
> > I think this was Gloria's quote of Ann's comment. I agree. The reason I was
> > compelled to write my book is to get the word out there. The public needs to
> > be educated to the fact that there are people breaking through (Kundalini
> > rising) all the time and just because we are different does not mean we are
> > crazy.
> >
--
Enter The Silence to Know God ... and... accept life as the teacher.
Gloria Joy Greco
e-mail me at : lodpressATnospamintercomm.com and visit our homepages at:
http://users.intercomm.com/larryn/
&
http://www.freeyellow.com/members/zg888/
Hope you enjoy them!
Date: Mon, 5 Jan 1998 22:44:15 EST
From: SchrLL <SchrLLATnospamaol.com>
To: jacinthaATnospamJUNO.COM
Cc: kundalini-lATnospamexecpc.com
Subject: Re: Moral Dilemma solved
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In a message dated 98-01-05 21:55:13 EST, you write:
> DILEMMA - is it wrong then to continue to press charges and go after him
> for theft if we get back the important stuff?
ATnospam->->--
It has been my experience that the sooner you can resolve conflicts the
better. If you get back the 'important stuff' you could consider yourselves
lucky. KISS, keep it simple, stupid, is what I tell myself. But if in doubt,
check out the poiliticians. They are always striking compromises. This sounds
like a compromise I could live with.
Love and Light, Linda
Date: Mon, 05 Jan 1998 16:16:58
From: Mystress Angelique Serpent <mistressATnospamdomin8rex.com>
To: Ruth Trimble <trimbleATnospamhawaii.edu>
Cc: kundalini-lATnospamlists.execpc.com
Subject: Re: Welcome Back Mystress
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At 09:18 04/01/98 -1000, Ruth Trimble wrote:
>Dear Angelique... you have been missed.
Ooooh, thankyou, that is nice to hear!
> Hope the move was a good one.
The move was very hard work, still many boxes to unpack, but so filled
with Goddess' blessings at times it moved me to tears of joy, over the
simplest things, miracles of manifestation too many to recount all of them,
each one another grain of faith added to my being, and to those around me
witnessing them. Incredible.
> I was hoping you would answer the young man's questions about
>sadism and the biting thing that some people need for arousal.
LOL! Just sent off my response, with much concern that it was not
something the list might be interested in.. thanks for the reassurance!
> Is it low self-esteem? Is is a need to be shamed because they feel
>such shame within that the outer shame heals the inner one?
Not really.. I've met some pretty proud and confident slaves. I have met
some low self esteem ones, but usually it was because they had bought into
society's view of them as sick perverts, or because they believed a slave
ought to have low self esteem...or because they were not fulfilled as
slaves, coz they had not been claimed and collared.. similar to the effects
of unemployment on self-esteem.
Folks like to take pride in what they do: a slave wants to be a good
slave, just like an actor or plumber wants to be good at what they do. The
only difference is our modern western judgements around it. Repressive
predjudice.
Issues of human rights, get confused with issues of sexual freedom.. so
it is that Amnesty International, got involved with the "Spanner" case in
England, helping to try to free some consensual BDSM players who were
wrongly imprisoned for abuse and assault.
Likewise, there is new law in Canada to protect battered women: a third
party, a neighbor or police officer, can charge an abusive spouse with
assault. The reason for this, is that a third party is not so likely to
drop the charges out of fear, as the abused spouse is. This is a goodness..
However, it also means that a repressive right wing group could crash a
safe, sane consensual private SM party, and charge all of the Dominants
with assault.. regardless of the protests from the slaves, that they are
being treated exactly as they have clearly and verbally asked to be
treated, out of their own choices and their own sexual freedom. Yikes!
>I know it is
>not part of most people's experience, but you certainly understand these
>people who want to grovel and debase themselves. How does it fit with
>our knowledge of ourselves as divine?
(Giggle) Most every path suggests that knowledge of the self as Divine,
comes of a path of service and humility.
Slaves will tell you, that it is when they are feeling most humbled, most
selflessly in service, that is when they feel the most free.. it is
trancendent. Thru learning to worship and serve the Divine within another
human, they are brought nearer to the truth of Self. That is their path,
whether they are aware of the sacredness of sexualty, or not.. the impulse
to serve comes direct from Goddess, it's expressions are manifold.
>Is it a karmic penance?
I don't think I believe in "Karmic penance", anymore. Unconditional love
would render it illogical. It is we who decide, what we want to explore
further in each lifetime.
I enjoyed your reference to to the book "Brain Sex", I too found it an
eyeopening read.
There is another book called "Sex and the Brain", which gives a few
futher thoughts on fetal gender orientation, as well as some amazing
observations male/female differences. It suggested that the hormone
imbalance that causes homosexual behavior, happens because the Mother is
under stress, and is busy producing adrenaline and suchlike, for her own
survival: so the baby gets less of what it needs.
Looking at it from that point of view, one could almost say that
homosexuality is a birth defect caused by lack of care for pregnant
women... but I really prefer to look for the perfection: souls who want to
be gay in this lifetime, seek a stressed out Mother to be born to.
Souls that want to explore new depths of service and humility, choose to
be born with the need to serve hardwired into their strongest drive:
sexuality. There is an expression "Leaders are born, not made".. so are
followers.
>What gratification is achieved?
LOL! Spoken like a natural Dominant..
It is said in scriptures, that service is it's own reward. The pleasure
of serving another, and seeing their happiness and gratitude.. for these
folks, the pleasure of service and humiliation is also erotic. They get a
huge dose of motivation: sexual gratification, and a huge dose of
challenge: what repressed society thinks about it.
> Animals<...>
Some lead and some follow: this is the natural survival strategy of
teamwork.
><..> but the people who seem to be
>like this are generally not unintelligent, but on the contrary, are often
>very high in society.
Yup.. the movers and shakers are often sexually submissive.. making
decisions is probably the hardest work we do: not having to make any
decisions, even for themselves, in one safe space with someone they trust,
is a huge vacation that gives them balance.
It is Archtypal, mythic.. the Prince and the Pauper.. the young King
spends time completely humbled, to make him wiser. To be a good leader, it
is helpful to remember how painful bad leadership can feel, and how
trancendent good leadership can feel.
> Is it a way to surrender to the self that they
>cannot do within themselves so they have to do it outside?
I would say, that it is harder to surrender to another, than to the self.
"Movers and shakers", often get to that place of success by following
intuition. They are successful beacuse they are not getting brought down
with unfulfilled needs.. they are listening to the demands of the inner
self, in their choice to experience submission.
It is more of an image thing. Partly the necessity of closets, to avoid
predjudice, in the western world..
Aside from Ghandi, most leaders feel that they will not be respected as
leaders if they are seen in a state of submission... our society
alternately applauds and condemns it's leaders, while there is little
approval and much scorn for those who choose to follow.
Yet it is the tao of leadership: Leaders serve the needs of the people
they lead. It's a service loop, not a clear hierachy of benefit. Thus, we
have folks like Nelson Mandela, moving from prisoner to president.
><...>such debasement is the
>only way to surrender the mind to the heart.. as when devotees bow their
>heads before the guru as a gesture of keeping the head below the heart?
The only way? No, but if it ain't broke.. if you are depressed and
instead of slinking around droopy, you stand up atraight and put a smile on
your face, soon you will begin to feel better.. the body says, "I am
standing up straight and smiling, so I must be happy", and changes your
mood, in response to you changing your physical position. NLP.
Kneel down and put your forehead on the floor, and your body says, "I
must be inferior/worshipful to this person", and starts to send them
supportive energy, and improve/model their own (your) energy body after
that of the Guru.. monkey see, monkey do.. and the Guru's, and Goddess'
energy return threefold. Shaktizap!
Wanna do a private experiment on the power of this? Try a bit of solo
psychodrama.
Think of someone.. human or Diety, you admire to the point of being
sincerely willing to kiss their feet, if they were present.
(Don't be shocked. Like Mr. Dylan said, "Everybody gotta serve somebody".
Thre must be someone you are in awe of.) Goddess or Christ or Sananda, or
your favorite Guru from the present or the past. Kissing the feet of
another is instinctive body language for submission, whether you are a
human or a wolf.
Choose some footwear, or fabric, to represent their feet, or the hem of
their garment. Put it on one side of a room, on the floor when you are
alone and will not be disturbed. With the clear intention that the object
represents the Admired One, and the intention to express your adoration
physically, privately in ritual.. strip naked, then crawl on your hands and
knees, or on your belly, from the furthest point away, in the room, or even
from another room.. slowly with your head down, to the item, and begin to
give it soft kisses of adoration.
Sounds real simple.. but the ecstatic potency of holy prescence you will
feel, in response to your body/mind/spirit offering of adoration and
worship, cannot be described. Try it! Then you will understand.. words
cannot describe the power of this.
>\And
>Finally... How can you help such a person?
>Thanks.
Huh.. how about dropping your judgements that they are sick, or doomed,
and need your help?
They are perfection manifest, as is anyone.. only thier love language is
different than yours. We are all equal, regardless of what roles we may
choose take on.
Pity is just another form of predjudice, separation into heroic rescuer
self and pitiable victim other.. it is the external social pressure to
conform, causing internal repression, that cause the maschochist to lose
self esteem.
You cannot get a starving man to speak of anything but food.. give him
what he needs, and then he has freedom and energy to apply to other things.
Likewise, a successful slave personality recognizes their needs and gets
them met in a safe and supportive place, so there is energy freed up for
other things.. a repressed slave is denying the self, and they will find
their slavery manifesting anyways, with the energy of the negativity
attendant: slave-wage jobs, the humiliations of failure and the prisons of
unfulfilling relationships.
If you really want to "Help" anyone, give them unconditional love and
acceptance, in a language they can understand. If you cannot understand
their language well enough to speak it to them then go for simple
acceptance..
I poke you about your judgements.. but I sincerely applaud your searching
for understanding, to get past them. Thou art Goddess.. and if a Diety
chooses to play the role of a slave, instead of a God, who is to say the
Diety is acting wrongly?
Blessings, Mystress.
>
>
>
Date: Mon, 5 Jan 1998 23:12:18 EST
From: SchrLL <SchrLLATnospamaol.com>
To: hlutharATnospambryant.edu
Cc: kundalini-lATnospamexecpc.com
Subject: Re: Exceptions
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In a message dated 98-01-05 11:56:10 EST, you write to Gene:
> earlier one of your posts is valid and is consistent with my experience.
Because of the hype and glamor surrounding Kundalini, many people in the
spiritual
> and psychic arena start to imagine that they have awakened the Shakti.
ATnospam->->--
Hello friend,
This is always so dissappionting to me when I see this remark. There are many
more of us out here than you can ever imagine! It is time to take us
seriously. Perhaps in India the enlightened ones are venerated and cared for.
In this country the practice is to call us crazy, lock us up, drug us and try
to forget we exist.
Gene's work would help to enlighten the Western world that one does not have
to be cannonized to be respected and taught to deal with our metamorphosis.
Love and Light, Linda
Date: Mon, 05 Jan 1998 21:25:54 -0800
From: ori <oriATnospameskimo.com>
To: Kundalini-l <kundalini-lATnospamexecpc.com>
Subject: K or vivid imagination?
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I open to the energies and allow them to carry me where they will.
And they do. And I'm transported to the in-between-place...
beyond time and space. I'm one of the Ones in the Himalayan Caves
being attuned by the Tibetans, and joining in as One of them to a
divine chanting which reaches throughout all the cosmos--both inner
and outer.
The frequencies build, intensify. There is much necessity for a pure
channel in order that the energies may flow and enter where they are
needed. I am not ready for that... and yet they encourage me to stay.
Somehow I understand that I am being prepared for the work which is
yet to be revealed. The energies which move through me change me,
cleanse me, purify me.
I become involved in Tantric rituals with these cave dwellers,
these Tibetan monks/saints/guardians of the portal of time.
They teach me what I need to know... and it is so familiar...
I know I've been here before. They speak without words to convey
what I need to learn. What seems to me like a sexual approach soon
moves far beyond even that and I am immersed in a cosmic radiance
which I understand to be generated through holding the contact between
the prime meridians found through juxtaposed skin placements-- some
sexual and some not sexual.
While the contact point is held, further chanting by the monks and by
me, builds and fills not only the cave but the entire universe thus
transforming this event to an activation of cosmic proportions.
When I am "released" they are concerned it has been too much for me.
I assure them I am fine, thinking only about my ability to handle the
amount of energy which was flowing through me. I feel a sense of lightness,
of innocence, a sense of being a little girl who is being well cared for.
A very heightened sense of awareness throughout the evening.
Then the morning comes. I realize I am somewhat overwhelmed by the
events of last evening. I take the day off work to allow time for
integration and healing. I sleep. I think too much. I feel like
I don't understand.
I realize that I have further preparation work to do.
Had a talk with a friend on IRC who uttered these words:
<Auran> I was boiling water for tea
and then some thought appeared to my mind
that meditation is like boiling this water
unless you don't give constant heat - the water will not boil
the real change only occurs after passing the boiling point
in most traditions it is said for several exercises
the results occur after any time from 40-180 days
>From his analogy I see the practices of meditation and yoga as the heat
which can raise the energy to boiling point.
Raising the heat,
ori
ori oriATnospameskimo.com
http://www.eskimo.com/~ori/ori.html
Date: Mon, 5 Jan 1998 21:45:11 -0600
From: Ann Morrison Fisher <annfisherATnospamstic.net>
To: kundalini-lATnospamlists.execpc.com
Subject: Re: Sadism *also* female Pheromones and K.
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Mystress Angelique Serpent <mistressATnospamdomin8rex.com> wrote:
> Hey, Mohamed, did you know the List Mystress is a professional Domintrix
>with several slaves of both genders? Your intuition sent you to the right
>place to inquire, but I suspect most listmembers do not want this topic
>discussed in too much detail on the list.
I wrote an answer to Mohamed's question, but I killed it after I read yours
- you said it so much better and said so much more!
The material on ovulation and pheromones is fascinating - thanks for all
the info.
Ann
Date: Tue, 6 Jan 1998 01:33:29 -0600
From: Ann Morrison Fisher <annfisherATnospamstic.net>
To: Kundalini-lATnospamexecpc.com
Cc: heartzenATnospamlistserv.servtech.com
Subject: Re: Faith/Religion
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Gene Kieffer <gkiefferATnospamnetaxis.com> wrote:
> ...We K-people, generally
>speaking, want our "K-experiences" to be classified as a religion.
Why? Don't all of us who want to already belong to an organized religion?
I know I'm not looking for another one.
>So if
>we wish to remain exclusive, above the crowd, ...
Why would we want to be exclusive and above the crowd?
Ann
Date: Tue, 6 Jan 1998 01:30:41 -0600
From: Ann Morrison Fisher <annfisherATnospamstic.net>
To: kundalini-lATnospamlists.execpc.com
Subject: Re: Transcendent...can't get enough of it! (RAMBLING)
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Kathy <deliriumATnospamfull-moon.com> wrote:
>Okay, now the "blue funks" between getting energy surges seem to be
>happening to me...or is it just "mundane reality" hitting me between the
>eyes?....
>
>My meditation has taken on a different quality, possibly because of my
>monthly hormonal cycle...seems unfocused and like I must really 'try'
>(too hard?) to relax...
>
Does your depression tend to recur at the same phase of your monthly cycle?
Pretty common, I think (gee, I'd almost forgotten about that!). And
depression could certainly influence your meditation.
>in my meditations
>there is a round sphere with beings in their "cosmic eggs" and they are
>all attached by this light thread that goes through, around, connecting
>all of them
A beautiful image! You don't need to figure it out, just think of it,
visualize it.
You might try drawing or painting mandalas when you feel down or scattered.
Just a suggestion.
Ann
Date: Tue, 6 Jan 1998 00:44:41 -0600
From: Ann Morrison Fisher <annfisherATnospamstic.net>
To: Kundalini-lATnospamexecpc.com
Cc: Afperry <AfperryATnospamaol.com>
Subject: Re: Comment on newbie report
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Afperry <AfperryATnospamaol.com> wrote:
>The great problem with kundalini awakening is that you've now got rocket-power
>in all aspects of your life - the lower as well as the higher - hence the
>importance of not awakening kundalini prematurely....
When I was younger, I was careful to avoid overt manifestations of K. But
when my guides led me into K. work, it seemed to me that since I was 60
years old, had been into meditation for at least 40 years, and had taught
raja yoga since 1970, I was sufficiently mature. What do you think? Is
this premature?
>It is also crucial to
>channel kundalini once awakened - kundalini must be used correctly i.e. for
>your spiritual transformation initially and then for the benefit of others.
>This is what spiritual sadhana is all about. For the average spiritual
>aspirant, sadhana is an option: for the kundalini-kid, it's a necessity!
My sadhana began many years ago. I have now added the K. work.
>If the energy is left to 'do is own thing', it will inevitably gravitate
>to your
>base desires.
Base? You're showing your prejudice.
Like Muktananda, I put my trust in Shiva/Shakti. She is well able to
direct all the energies of the body.
>2. Have you read Irina Tweedie's autobiographical account of her 5 year spell
>with a Sufi master, called 'Chasm of Fire'? She gives a very valuable insight
>into the nature of her kundalini sadhana and experiences, including the sexual
>aspects. As with Muktananda, the kundalini was purging her in a short, sharp
>way: but both these two were being guided by their gurus under ashram
>conditions. The average lay person could not sustain such an onslaught, which
>is why the sexual purging occurs more gently over a long period of time
>instead.
Fortunately, I am being guided by my gurus, though they are not incarnate.
Chief among them for this work is, of course, Shakti herself.
>4. This whole sexual aspect is fascinating. My own guru once explained to me:
>"When the kundalini rises, everything else rises with it!", and he made a
>discreet but graphic sign to ensure I understood his meaning. I did, since I
>had experienced just that. But this is the secret of Tantric sex, is it not?
>Awaken the energy by sexual arousal, then lead it up and in rather than down
>and out.
You are missing the mark here. It is not just awakening sexual energy and
leading it up, over and over and over. The sexual process itself is
transformed so that your body reacts to and processes sexual energy in a
different way. You have also ignored the profound experience of oneself
and the partner as Shiva/Shakti.
> A dirty and dangerous path in my view
Your prejudice. I do not find sex dirty or dangerous.
>5. Meditating while lying down tends to inhibit the optimum flow of energy in
>your body, particularly if you are lying on your back i.e. spine. Ann, this
>ain't good for anyone, especially a kundalini-kid!
I learned to meditate while lying down, and I have done it for many years.
I do not think it has impeded my progress. I also sit when I feel the
need, always when meditating with a group.
There is also the fact that I have a spinal curvature caused, I'm told, by
an undiagnosed case of polio. For me to sit straight takes constant muscle
exertion. When I lie down on a hard mattress or on the floor, my spine is
relatively straight and also relaxed, which makes it easier for my gurus to
manipulate it.
However, I just consulted my gurus about your objection. They agree that
it is fine for me to lie down for meditation. Shakti says: "When I want
you to sit, I will make you aware of it."
>Also, I feel that the flow
>of energy is different in a spine that is axial to the Earth's energies
>(perhaps that's why dogs don't meditate?).
Need I point out why dogs don't meditate?
>Ten years ago, I used to visit a
>Sufi group that allowed people to meditate lying down.
Ah, good to know somebody else besides some Tibetan lamas and I are doing it.
>I found the snoring
>very distracting.
Then don't meditate with them.
The meditation yoga I learned and that I teach is to put the body,
emotions, and intellect to sleep while remaining centered in the head and
fully conscious. When I do that, my body is indeed asleep, though I am
not. Perhaps those Sufis were also fully conscious.
But for K. meditation, I do not put the body to sleep. I rise above
emotions and intellect but stay in touch with the body.
Ann
Date: Tue, 6 Jan 1998 02:21:02 -0600
From: Ann Morrison Fisher <annfisherATnospamstic.net>
To: kundalini-lATnospamlists.execpc.com
Subject: Re: Problems with auras over - but need more help/advice
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Mike Stickles <msticklesATnospamantalys.com> wrote:
>Since it seems that strong aura visibility is here to stay this time, I
>would assume there is a purpose for it, and so I should start working at
>making some sense out of what I'm seeing (I confess, I'd never much
>bothered about *reading* auras before - just *seeing* them was cool
>enough for me). Does anyone have any suggestions as to how to go about
>that? Are there any good books or on-line courses on learning to read
>auras?
I have a book here (if I could find it) with a chapter or two on this - I'm
sure you can find material.
I was especially impressed with the woman who worked in a doctor's office -
just sat in the reception room and wrote down for him what she saw. She
could see various problems before they appeared in the physical and she
could diagnose difficult-to-diagnose problems.
If this were my experience (don't I wish!), I'd start looking for a doctor
who wanted that kind of help. And I'd start by finding out from him ahead
of time what these people's problems were, so I'd know what I was seeing.
Then as I learned, I'd be able to tell him.
This reminds me - A woman once told me that she went to her first meeting
with a meditation group and heard all about auras. She was so excited she
went home and said to her husband, "I've been learning the most wonderful
things tonight! Did you know that there's energy all around our bodies and
some people can actually see it?" Her husband looked up and asked,
"Doesn't everybody?" Then he told her that the energy is around everything
- "even that lamp there."
At breakfast he said, "Honey, tell the kids what you learned last night."
So she told the two teen-agers all about how some people could see this
energy around people. And they both said, "Doesn't everybody?"
Good luck!
Ann
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