1998/01/05 11:53
kundalini-l-d Digest V98 #7
kundalini-l-d Digest Volume 98 : Issue 7
Today's Topics:
Faith/Religion [ Gene Kieffer <gkiefferATnospamnetaxis.com> ]
Outside circumstances/awakened K [ RadiantTch <RadiantTchATnospamaol.com> ]
ACCEPTANCE [ Gene Kieffer <gkiefferATnospamnetaxis.com> ]
Re: Exceptions [ freda <fredaATnospamblarg.net> ]
RE: genius [ Mike Stickles <msticklesATnospamantalys.co ]
Re: Faith/Religion [ RadiantTch <RadiantTchATnospamaol.com> ]
Re: 7th opening, Tibetans & tantra [ "Debora A. Orf" <dorf01ATnospammail.win.or ]
RE: MUST (kinda long) [ Mike Stickles <msticklesATnospamantalys.co ]
RE: Other Paths? [ Mike Stickles <msticklesATnospamantalys.co ]
Re: Exceptions [ "Harsh K. Luthar" <hlutharATnospambryant.e ]
Transcendent...can't get enough of i [ Kathy <deliriumATnospamfull-moon.com> ]
Re: genius [ "Sharon Webb" <shawebbATnospamyhc.edu> ]
Comment on newbie report [ Afperry <AfperryATnospamaol.com> ]
Re: Outside circumstances/awakened K [ Gloria Greco <lodpressATnospamintercomm.co ]
Date: Mon, 5 Jan 1998 09:50:53 -0500 (EST)
From: Gene Kieffer <gkiefferATnospamnetaxis.com>
To: AthenaATnospamreninet.com
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hlutharATnospamkeynes.bryant.edu, anandajyotiATnospamgeocities.com, NancyATnospamwtp.net
Subject: Faith/Religion
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WILATHI WROTE:
>Dear all: I dont understand why we have to prove anything. Are we not
>trying to realize ourselves? If we need proof, than we have no faith. We
>might as well say we don't belive in ourselves as to require proof for
>our beliefs. The very foundation of all religions is that they are a
>faith. Indeed it is a requirement. This is why a perfect master will
>never use his god realized powers to convert anyone. True god
>realization has to come from within. It is never coerced. If you want
>to realize god, you must surrender and love. If you cannot surrender and
>love you are not ready for god.
+++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++
Dear Wilathi,
Now we have reached the crux of the matter. We K-people, generally
speaking, want our "K-experiences" to be classified as a religion.
Fine. But I think honesty and integrity demands that we select a
name for our religion, one that is not generic. A generic name, such
as Kundalini, cannot be patented, trademarked or copyrighted. So if
we wish to remain exclusive, above the crowd, it would be best if we
picked a new name and let science deal with Kundalini with an open,
objective mind. If we truly want to be fair-minded about this, then
we must not exclude the "unawakened" from gathering the knowledge of
Kundalini. Kundalini should be accessible to ALL. So, who's got a
good name for our NEW RELIGION?
Sincerely,
gene
Date: Mon, 5 Jan 1998 10:07:44 EST
From: RadiantTch <RadiantTchATnospamaol.com>
To: Kundalini-lATnospamexecpc.com
Subject: Outside circumstances/awakened K
Message-ID: <6a353ec2.34b0f743ATnospamaol.com>
My dear fellow listies,
I am wondering what thoughts, if any, anyone has on the influence of outside
circumstances on triggering k experiences, consequently spiritual growth. I
am talking about deaths of loved ones, losing jobs or spouses, etc., etc.
I feel that we have inner (sub- or unconscious) beliefs that we may not even
consciously be aware of (and, of course, some we KNOW we are still in the
midst of transforming); so those beliefs (fear-based) are mirrored to us in
our personal outside world, which seemingly "cause" bodily reactions by our
perceptions of what we see in that world.
I feel that we attract those so-called "negative" situations when we are READY
to handle the energy releasing & belief transforming they help fuel. And that
WE make the decision all the way (at some level), and co-create with others
who have the same agenda in mind, so-to-speak.
Any thoughts?
Blessings,
Barbara Ellen
Radiant Touch* Healing
Spirit-guided Psychic Advisor/Healer
Healing Words, Healing Energy via E-mail
RadiantTchATnospamaol.com
Date: Mon, 5 Jan 1998 10:06:21 -0500 (EST)
From: Gene Kieffer <gkiefferATnospamnetaxis.com>
To: annfisherATnospamstic.net
Cc: heartzenATnospamlistserv.servtech.com, Kundalini-lATnospamexecpc.com,
anandajyotiATnospamgeocities.com, leydaATnospamvalunet.com
Subject: ACCEPTANCE
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ANN MORRISON WROTE:
>So now I mention the kundalini process as if it's a perfectly normal thing
>to be involved in. Easy for me to say, I know - I'm 61, my kids don't
>think I'm whacked, and there's nobody else who could push me around. And
>nowadays I'm mostly around people involved in healing and meditation, etc.
>But I think it helps to change the climate of opinion - and when my kids
>have a kundalini experience, they'll know who they can talk to.
>Today I was at a workshop on geomagnetic stuff, and we were asked to
>introduce ourselves and tell something about our fields, past experiences,
>etc. So when I gave my little spiel, I tacked on, "And now in the last
>year or two I'm into the kundalini process." Would you believe nobody
>linked! Nobody looked shocked or even surprised.
+++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++
Dear Ann,
That is the way it is supposed to be! That is the way it WILL be!
All we K-people have to do is act normal, if we can, and let Kundalini
pervade the universe as She will, whether we like it or not. We do not
own Kundalini just because we've "experienced" Kundalini. She is not
our exclusive property to be shared only with our chat group friends.
Kundalini is and always has been, and always will be, Universal. Thanks
very much for saying it like it is.
Sincerely,
gene
Date: Mon, 05 Jan 1998 07:36:33 -0800
From: freda <fredaATnospamblarg.net>
To: Gene Kieffer <gkiefferATnospamnetaxis.com>
CC: kundalini-lATnospamexecpc.com
Subject: Re: Exceptions
Message-ID: <34B0FE01.212CATnospamblarg.net>
Gene,
I am sorry you feel that way.
I certainly don't, and I never implied such things.
My reasons for privacy stem FROM the treatment I recieved at the hands
of
"professionals" and "loving" family and friends.
For every person, like yourself, who would like to prove its' existance,
there will be more who will be trying to disprove it.
With your judgemental attitude, that of "either your with me or against
me,"
then I would have to say that YOU would be the last person
I would want to judge my spiritual progress.
Luckily, I do not require your stamp of approval.
Nor the scientists, nor the doctors. I am progressing just fine with out
it.
You are on a quest to "prove" this exists. I don't give a squat if
you prove it or not. This does not mean that I am against your putting
out the
information. I just don't see the need to PROVE it exists. And I worry
what will happen to
those on the path who don't fit the "scientific" criteria. And how do
you intend to
prove the "enlightenment" of the subjects which do come forward to be
studied?
Are you going to follow them beyond the grave to substanciate their
claim?
--
..freda..
BE-IS-AM ...manifesting again...
http://www.blarg.net/~freda/01rg/hm/frhm.htm
Date: Mon, 5 Jan 1998 10:36:59 -0500
From: Mike Stickles <msticklesATnospamantalys.com>
To: kundalini-lATnospamexecpc.com
Subject: RE: genius
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Sharon wrote:
> The common thought that geniuses are delicate was
> debunked many years ago. The high IQ child is more
> robust, taller, and more coordinated than lesser
> endowed individuals. Further he/she is usually very
> adept at social skills.
Probably should have put a "usually" in front of the first section too.
As a genius-IQ kid, I was short (still am :-), uncoordinated and
frequently sick, as well as socially inept (my favorite companions were
my books). Of course, as some wag said, "there is an exception to every
rule, including this one."
> Amazing thread. My, don't we all have amazing
> brain power. But does anyone really care?
The primary point. Actually, one of my favorite people at my last church
(before moving) was a kid named Robbie whose IQ was somewhere around 80
or so. Maybe he couldn't talk quantum physics, but he could radiate love
and joy in a wonderful way. If I was depressed, I went looking for him
immediately since he had a way of dispelling negative emotions just by
his presence, and evoking positive ones every time he spoke. You
couldn't stay "down" around him, and he never seemed to get "down" no
matter how many negative people he dealt with (of course, they rarely
stayed negative for long :-).
Everybody has their place. We 170-IQ types can go explore the depths of
science and technology, but I want a bunch of "Robbies" around (of
whatever IQ - high or low) so that the world we help make is emotionally
inhabitable.
The real question is not, "are you a genius?" The real question is, "how
are you using your talents and abilities?" Everyone has some kind of
talent. Is the world any better for us having the talents and abilities
we have?
- Mike
Date: Mon, 5 Jan 1998 10:23:45 EST
From: RadiantTch <RadiantTchATnospamaol.com>
To: Kundalini-lATnospamEXECPC.COM
Subject: Re: Faith/Religion
Message-ID: <14d14d8e.34b0fb03ATnospamaol.com>
Gene writes:
<< Now we have reached the crux of the matter. We K-people, generally
speaking, want our "K-experiences" to be classified as a religion.
You are definitely not speaking for me. :-) Religion tends to box in,
define, and label; none of which can be done with K experiences, IMO.
G<< Fine. But I think honesty and integrity demands that we select a
name for our religion, one that is not generic. A generic name, such
as Kundalini, cannot be patented, trademarked or copyrighted.
But K experiences ARE generic, which is WHY it can't be boxed into a patent or
trademark, etc.
G<<So if
we wish to remain exclusive, above the crowd, it would be best if we
picked a new name and let science deal with Kundalini with an open,
objective mind.
EXCLUSIVE????? ABOVE THE CROWD????? Sounds like ego and seperation to me.
Maybe humbleness develops as we accept our OWN uniqueness, our OWN divinity in
the grand scheme of things, on the INSIDE.
G<<If we truly want to be fair-minded about this, then
we must not exclude the "unawakened" from gathering the knowledge of
Kundalini. Kundalini should be accessible to ALL. So, who's got a
good name for our NEW RELIGION? >>
Is there one name that signifies or describes infinite experience and oneness
at the same time, and all expressions in between those two phrases? :-)
Blessings,
Barbara Ellen
Radiant Touch* Healing
Spirit-guided Psychic Advisor/Healer
Healing Words, Healing Energy via E-mail
RadiantTchATnospamaol.com
Date: Mon, 5 Jan 1998 09:50:10 -0600 (CST)
From: "Debora A. Orf" <dorf01ATnospammail.win.org>
To: kundalini-lATnospamlists.execpc.com
Subject: Re: 7th opening, Tibetans & tantra
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Date: Sun, 04 Jan 1998 21:39:51 -0800
From: ori <oriATnospameskimo.com>
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A time of Attunement to higher frequencies
<<And the Tibetans are contacting me through the inner planes.
I seem to be a student of Tantric Cave Dwellers. Meditations and
Tantric rites deep in the caves of the Himalayas with ancient
passageways leading to wormholes through time and space. They contact
me and instruct me in the subtle ways, including instruction in tantra
which I've never read anywhere and yet what they convey to me feels so
right and once revealed is clearly "truth" even though unknown to me
yesterday. This is reaching to cosmic proportions and is getting a
little overwhelmingly awe-full.>>
Have you thought of contacting a Lama to help with this? There are many
knowlegable people here in the states.
<<Even as I'm bouncing up against the edges of my current limits,
and beginning to feel a little overwhelmed, I recognize that this too
is part of the process, and the important thing is not to get caught up
in the images and happenings and phenomenon which surround me, but to
continue through practice to connect the channel and keep the energy
flow pure.
To attempt to put this is words is very awesome... I'm trying to learn
to allow without judgement these miraculous events, and simply report
the action in a descriptive way without (too much) commentary.>>
Sounds wonderful :)
the sound of the bell
shatters the
encrusted old
dried up and withered
idea of the
stubborn.
Across the mountain range
Down into the valley floor
High above the old
river Ganges
a bell without a
clapper rings true
and its vibration
shatters the world
into light and sound
This morning the rain
pounded on my window
silver beads of blessing.
blue screen
flashes words.
made of light
and love
and wisdom
maitri,
--janpa tsomo
Date: Mon, 5 Jan 1998 11:32:13 -0500
From: Mike Stickles <msticklesATnospamantalys.com>
To: kundalini-lATnospamlists.execpc.com
Subject: RE: MUST (kinda long)
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Interesting topic. Just a couple of thoughts:
> I dont understand why we have to prove anything. Are
> we not trying to realize ourselves? If we need proof,
> than we have no faith.
..........
> But as far as convincing people, if the miracle of ones'
> own existence doesn't do the trick, what will?
Exactly. Proof is not for those who have experienced Kundalini, but for
the skeptics or the ignorant (meaning simply those who've never heard of
K). Unfortunately, as David implied, for many I fear that even being
witness to a "miracle" wouldn't be enough. It only helps with those who
are already honestly seeking Truth.
> if your goal is to convince people that kundalini is a
> real phenomena, then you need to speak to their
> hearts. Stop the intellectualizing and scientific
> reasoning.
That would not have worked with me. Although it seems (from my limited
observations, primarily on this list) that many if not most of those who
are K-awakened listen with the heart as much or more than with the
intellect, some like myself still have an intellectual "trump card."
That is, while I'm not satisfied with any theory/belief/idea that cannot
satisfy intellect, heart *and* spirit, if nothing satisfies all three
and I need a working hypothesis, I take what satisfies intellect (though
I keep looking). And something that satisfies my intellect has a much
easier time getting past my mental "doorkeepers". I believe that this is
more common in the West - the heart is simply not the first place people
look for Truth. If the doorwardens of the intellect can be at least
partially satisfied that an idea has merit, its chances of acceptance
increase dramatically.
To leave out intellectual and/or scientific reasoning and stay solely
with the approach via the heart is to leave out many people who could
benefit from Kundalini. To reach diverse kinds of people requires a
diversity of approaches.
> Kundalini people say that they don't think anyone will
> understand unless they have experienced what they
> have experienced. Nonsense.
..........
> Nonsense? You think that is nonsense? Have your
> family and friends tried to have you commited? ...
> yea, okay it WOULD be terrific if talking to family and
> friends would make this process a bit smoother, BUT
> the reality, in my life, has been that, although they
> mean well, their reality isn't quite ready for mine.
Actually, both statements are true. In my personal experience, most of
the people I've talked to run in line with Freda's experience - they
seem to think that you should be committed, or at least psychoanalyzed.
But, a very few seem to partially understand. Those understanding folks
seem to belong to two groups - those who have had some kind of mystical
experience of their own other than Kundalini which they don't think was
somehow pathological, and those who have known me for some time since my
Kundalini experience and believe me to be (at least mostly) mentally
stable. The worried folks tend (with a few exceptions) to have a
firmly-held worldview which has no room in it for Kundalini. So, to say
either that *nobody* would understand, or that *many could* understand,
are probably both false.
Could probably say more but that's plenty for one post...
- Mike
Date: Mon, 5 Jan 1998 11:38:18 -0500
From: Mike Stickles <msticklesATnospamantalys.com>
To: kundalini-lATnospamexecpc.com
Subject: RE: Other Paths?
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Sounds like a problem of definitions here.
If some believe that Enlightenment *must* be preceded by a Kundalini
awakening, and others say *no* to that, could it be that we're not
meaning quite the same thing by Enlightenment, or by Kundalini
awakening?
And if so, is there a chance that both views are right according to
their own definitions?
Just something to think about. This kind of thing happens to my wife and
me all the time - thinking that we're disagreeing when we're really in
total agreement, all because we use the same words in slightly different
ways.
- Mike
Date: Mon, 05 Jan 1998 12:49:29 -0500
From: "Harsh K. Luthar" <hlutharATnospambryant.edu>
To: Gene Kieffer <gkiefferATnospamnetaxis.com>
Cc: fredaATnospamblarg.net, kundalini-lATnospamexecpc.com, heartzenATnospamlistserv.servtech.com,
hlutharATnospamkeynes.bryant.edu
Subject: Re: Exceptions
Message-Id: <34B11D29.1AE8ATnospamacad.bryant.edu>
Dear Gene,
There is no "We K-people." That term is misleading. Many of the things
you say Gene about Science and so on do not make much sense to me but
they may to others.
But let say something positive to you. One point you made earlier in one
of your posts is valid and is consistent with my experience. Because of
the hype and glamor surrounding Kundalini, many people in the spiritual
and psychic arena start to imagine that they have awakened the Shakti. A
genuine awakening due to spiritual practice and discipline invariable
leads to Superconscious and visionary states which are beyond the realm
of mere imagination. Even when Kundalini is awakened, most of the work
lies ahead. For many people the spiritual experience bursts like a
bubble because the foundation is not comprehensive and strong. But
people learn from experience. Success, even in Kundalini Yoga, is built
on Pillars of Failure. Whatever spiritual path one is on, one must enjoy
mental purity in order to be Recognize the Divinity Within. Although,
Science cannot measure Purity or Divinity, any scientist can experience
it for him/her self. I probably make as much sense to you as you do to
me!
Harsha
Gene Kieffer wrote:
>
> Dear Freda,
>
> It is easy to see that we K-people are in every way exceptional.
> Artists, writers, physicists, lawyers, etc., all subject their work to
> the critics. This is common practice all over the world. But K-people
> have their own religion which cannot be "known" by anybody else because
> nobody else will understand. We alone are different, unique, honored,
> delighted with ourselves, take no notice of others, feel blessed, live
> outside the norm, and in every way stand above the herd. We ARE
> special. Don't let science in on our little secret!
>
> All the best,
> gene
Date: Mon, 05 Jan 1998 11:15:04 -0600
From: Kathy <deliriumATnospamfull-moon.com>
To: The List <kundalini-lATnospamlists.execpc.com>
Subject: Transcendent...can't get enough of it! (RAMBLING)
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Okay, now the "blue funks" between getting energy surges seem to be
happening to me...or is it just "mundane reality" hitting me between the
eyes?
Re-read my post of a few days back and realized it was really nice "up
there" and now I'm feeling odd and off balance again and hoping for more
experiences...
Either that or I've become "bipolar" (no, don't think so, nor does my
"shrink" <g>)...
My meditation has taken on a different quality, possibly because of my
monthly hormonal cycle...seems unfocused and like I must really 'try'
(too hard?) to relax...
I've been doing therapy with a "traditional" psych. for the depression I
had recur...and realized the depression returned about the time of
Princess Diana's death...for some reason I put that in the back of my
mind and yesterday the A&E Biography of the Year show was about Diana,
and I found myself once again in tears...my heart chakra has always been
open but "shut down" for a while this year...but it must be opening
again.
The shutdown (or overload?) occurred when first I found myself depressed
(in 1993); again after the bombing in Oklahoma City (where I live) in
1995; and once again in September 1997...and it is connected as well
with my illusions about what "I am" and what I do for a living...my
attachments seem to be myriad...and each detachment seems to hurt.
(Phantom attachment (limb) pain?)...maybe I'm realizing that I am indeed
not just me but instead part of the bigger picture...in my meditations
there is a round sphere with beings in their "cosmic eggs" and they are
all attached by this light thread that goes through, around, connecting
all of them whatever each part each cosmic egg is doing whether or not
we realize we are all connected...so if I am right now, say, a cosmic
muscle thread or sinew or whatever in a greater body and I get attached
to, say, trying to control some part that I am related to but not
directly connected...Okay, so that analogy probably doesn't work. It's
less fixed than my being one particular piece...
There is clarity and a feeling of oneness that is still within me but I
do not know and maybe am a bit afraid of losing that clarity...I guess
I'll keep "faking it till I make it."
So I've either made myself clear or have convinced some other listers
that I do need to talk seriously with my therapist!
Ah, well, this is a safe haven for sharing these things...
--still appropriately delirious...Kath
Date: Mon, 5 Jan 1998 12:52:45 -0500
From: "Sharon Webb" <shawebbATnospamyhc.edu>
To: "Mike Stickles" <msticklesATnospamantalys.com>
Cc: <kundalini-lATnospamexecpc.com>
Subject: Re: genius
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Subject: RE: genius
>Sharon wrote:
> > The common thought that geniuses are delicate was
> > debunked many years ago. The high IQ child is more
> > robust, taller, and more coordinated than lesser
> > endowed individuals. Further he/she is usually very
> > adept at social skills.
And Mike wrote:
>Probably should have put a "usually" in front of the first section too.
>As a genius-IQ kid, I was short (still am :-), uncoordinated and
>frequently sick, as well as socially inept (my favorite companions were
>my books). Of course, as some wag said, "there is an exception to every
>rule, including this one."
And Sharon writes again:
Gee, Mike. Count your blessings. If you had been born with a lower IQ you
just might have ended up as a clumsy, bed-ridden, antisocial midget. :-)
Sharon
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Date: Mon, 5 Jan 1998 13:27:02 EST
From: Afperry <AfperryATnospamaol.com>
To: annfisherATnospamstic.net
Cc: Kundalini-lATnospamexecpc.com
Subject: Comment on newbie report
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Dear Ann,
Thanks for sending me a copy of your 'newbie report', which I enjoyed reading.
Can I make a few comments from my own experience:
1. My own experience with kundalini has been very sexual too; but since
kundalini and sexual energy are one and the same, that's hardly surprising!
The great problem with kundalini awakening is that you've now got rocket-power
in all aspects of your life - the lower as well as the higher - hence the
importance of not awakening kundalini prematurely i.e. till your lower nature
is sufficiently under the control of your higher. This is why many people who
force the kundalini prematurely become sexual perverts. It is also crucial to
channel kundalini once awakened - kundalini must be used correctly i.e. for
your spiritual transformation initially and then for the benefit of others.
This is what spiritual sadhana is all about. For the average spiritual
aspirant, sadhana is an option: for the kundalini-kid, it's a necessity! If
the energy is left to 'do is own thing', it will inevitably gravitate to your
base desires. Remember that "Kundalini brings liberation to yogis and bondage
to fools" as the Hatha Yoga scriptures tell us. How true, how very true!
2. Have you read Irina Tweedie's autobiographical account of her 5 year spell
with a Sufi master, called 'Chasm of Fire'? She gives a very valuable insight
into the nature of her kundalini sadhana and experiences, including the sexual
aspects. As with Muktananda, the kundalini was purging her in a short, sharp
way: but both these two were being guided by their gurus under ashram
conditions. The average lay person could not sustain such an onslaught, which
is why the sexual purging occurs more gently over a long period of time
instead.
3. This sexual aspect used to worry me. On two occasions in my early days, I
briefly experienced uncontrollable sexual arousal when the full blast of the
kundalini went straight into my genitals. Having read C.W.Leadbeater's
warnings about becoming " a satyr of depravity", I was scared ****less by
this. But later I realised this was a choice (and a warning!)I was being
given: I made the right choice. I'm not sure Leadbeater did, though.
4. This whole sexual aspect is fascinating. My own guru once explained to me:
"When the kundalini rises, everything else rises with it!", and he made a
discreet but graphic sign to ensure I understood his meaning. I did, since I
had experienced just that. But this is the secret of Tantric sex, is it not?
Awaken the energy by sexual arousal, then lead it up and in rather than down
and out. A dirty and dangerous path in my view, but as Ramakrishna once
pointed out, a genuine path for all that. I now tend to treat sexual
difficulties with humour and compassion (to me, that is): fortunately, they
are so much less now than before although I have sometimes to exercise mega-
control on the direction of my energy! I have no difficulty reconciling sex
with spirituality, providing that sex is governed by love not pure carnality.
5. Meditating while lying down tends to inhibit the optimum flow of energy in
your body, particularly if you are lying on your back i.e. spine. Ann, this
ain't good for anyone, especially a kundalini-kid! Also, I feel that the flow
of energy is different in a spine that is axial to the Earth's energies
(perhaps that's why dogs don't meditate?). Ten years ago, I used to visit a
Sufi group that allowed people to meditate lying down. I found the snoring
very distracting.
With blessings,
Alan
Date: Mon, 05 Jan 1998 10:43:26 +0100
From: Gloria Greco <lodpressATnospamintercomm.com>
To: RadiantTch <RadiantTchATnospamaol.com>
CC: Kundalini-lATnospamexecpc.com
Subject: Re: Outside circumstances/awakened K
Message-ID: <34B0AB3C.7E09ATnospamintercomm.com>
RadiantTch wrote:
>
> My dear fellow listies,
>
> I am wondering what thoughts, if any, anyone has on the influence of outside
> circumstances on triggering k experiences, consequently spiritual growth. I
> am talking about deaths of loved ones, losing jobs or spouses, etc., etc.
>Barbara Ellen wrote:
Barbara everything in our lives, every experience and every
conversation...ie the kundalini and science is there to be transformed.
We are always challenged to bring our life and all of its ramifications
into the divine love stream where it can be transformed into that which
is of that high frequency. Losing a job or spouce can be very difficult,
or death of someone close, these things however can be used to show you
the illusion and to bring the understanding that life is not what it
appears. GG
>
Enter The Silence to Know God ... and... accept life as the teacher.
Gloria Joy Greco
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