1998/01/04 19:54
kundalini-l-d Digest V98 #5
kundalini-l-d Digest Volume 98 : Issue 5
Today's Topics:
kundalini master [ "Ed Hoskins" <ehoskinsATnospamemail.msn.co ]
Re: MUST [ sassiATnospamworldnet.att.net (Jack) ]
Welcome Back Mystress [ Ruth Trimble <trimbleATnospamhawaii.edu> ]
Re: MUST [ Gloria Greco <lodpressATnospamintercomm.co ]
Re: MUST [ Gloria Greco <lodpressATnospamintercomm.co ]
London: new subscriber introduction [ Afperry <AfperryATnospamaol.com> ]
Verification [ Gene Kieffer <gkiefferATnospamnetaxis.com> ]
Re: Verification [ Nancy <NancyATnospamwtp.net> ]
Re: Loved by the Light [ SchrLL <SchrLLATnospamaol.com> ]
Re: MUST [ SchrLL <SchrLLATnospamaol.com> ]
Re: MUST [ Harsh Luthar <hlutharATnospamkeynes.bryant ]
Re: Verification [ freda <fredaATnospamblarg.net> ]
Re: heredity [ David Bozzi <david.bozziATnospamsnet.net> ]
Re: HRTZEN: Other Paths? [ David Bozzi <david.bozziATnospamsnet.net> ]
Re: Science [ David Bozzi <david.bozziATnospamsnet.net> ]
Date: Sat, 03 Jan 1998 10:30:07
From: "Ed Hoskins" <ehoskinsATnospamemail.msn.com> (by way of Mystress Angelique Serpent <mistressATnospamdomin8rex.com>)
To: kundalini-lATnospamexecpc.com
Subject: kundalini master
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www.wimall.com/com
On behafe of my father, Larry Jensen I am sending you this link. The site is
not entirely about kundalini; however, he is a realized master.
He experienced an awakening while I was in my teens (about 15 years ago) and
conducts guided meditations at which people experience the energy in various
ways. His intent is directed in life, with sincerity to promote global
transformation for the positive betterment of mankind. A brief background
about him is written at the site. At the very least you may have some
interest in the connection with him yourself.
At some point I will update the site to include more information about what
he does.
Any comments, referals or questions I can be reached at aleciaATnospamboydcomm.com
Thank you.
Date: Sun, 04 Jan 1998 18:41:29 GMT
From: sassiATnospamworldnet.att.net (Jack)
To: kundalini-lATnospamexecpc.com
Subject: Re: MUST
Message-ID: <34b1d7d6.19175981ATnospammailhost.worldnet.att.net>
Does anyone else see the folly in this--Objectively verifying
kundalini? How can we verify that of spirit. To want to objectively
verify it is to completely misunderstand its nature.
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While Kundalini may be spiritual, it has it's physical manifestations.
These can be measured objectively. But to take these measurments one
needs to expirement. The expirements require a theory. The theory
requires a causal root. Therein lies the problem
Science, shows us morphological resonance within the animal kingdom
but denies the ability to humans.
Science, shows us phenomenal effects of certain chemicals and
glandular secretions such as adrenalin but deny these effects when
confronted with extraordinary results.
Science has no problem pulling theory out of thin air, and making
those theories fit mathematical postulates. Hence, the Atom, ever see
one ? They don't exist. Particles, Quantum Physics, relativity, time ?
All made up, they don't exist.
Religion has no problem with the instantaneous transmutation of
matter, parthenogenesis, teleportation, resurrection, and
pre-cognition. Much of this is dogma. But these abilities lie with the
inner circle of saints, mullahs, lamas and preists. Lay people need
not concern themselves with these mysteries.
In the West, we have no problem believing that a random reflection
from plate glass gives us a miracle potrait of the Virgin Mary.
Mention the word, Kundalini and we head for the exits. Just a few
short months ago I would have been at the front of the crowd
screaming, " eastern philosophy babble ! Run for your lives !"
So what to do ? How to reach the great unwashed with the spiritual
phenomena of Kundalini ? How about changing labels ? Let's, just for
arguements sake change Kundalini to " the Force ", Yogi to Yoda. There
you go, eastern philosophy embraced by the west as it's own. Who wants
the movie rights ?
A couple of days ago I had written to an acquaintance, describing the
process I go through when I feel the energy rising within me and
certain impressions manifest themselves to my minds eye. Yesterday, a
gentleman on another NG described his process in the same identical
manner. Bring this gentleman and myself into the lab and let us do our
thing. No ? A waste of time and resources, you say ? These resources
are needed to study the mating habits of penguins ? I see.
Someone should write a book. Oh, been there done that ? Didn't sell ?
Couldn't get it published ? Well, how about changing a few labels,
adding sex and violence, jazz it up with state of the art graphics ?
Definately go with Tantra. Jacquilene Suzanne can write the intro,
and G. Gordon Liddy the forward. Arnie and Demi can play Shiva and
Shakti in the movie.
Does this offend your sensibilities ? Seems almost sacriligeous to me.
But something like this will be needed to spread the word on
Kundalini. Granted, the description above goes way to far, but a
non-fiction book using Kundalini in the title won't sell. IMHO you
have got to change the label. At least that's the way I think we
should go in the endevour I'm involved with right now.
Jack
Date: Sun, 4 Jan 1998 09:18:30 -1000
From: Ruth Trimble <trimbleATnospamhawaii.edu>
To: kundalini-lATnospamlists.execpc.com
cc: kundalini-l-ownerATnospamexecpc.com
Subject: Welcome Back Mystress
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Dear Angelique... you have been missed. Hope the move was a good one.
It is amazingly disruptive to one's life to move house, but I have a
feeling I shall be doing this soon.
I was hoping you would answer the young man's questions about
sadism and the biting thing that some people need for arousal. As you know
I have a friend who wanted to be a slave to me.. and I never figured it
out. Is it low self-esteem? Is is a need to be shamed because they feel
such shame within that the outer shame heals the inner one? I know it is
not part of most people's experience, but you certainly understand these
people who want to grovel and debase themselves. How does it fit with
our knowledge of ourselves as divine? Is it a karmic penance? What
gratification is achieved? Animals that live in societies have certain low
status ones that appear to act like this, but the people who seem to be
like this are generally not unintelligent, but on the contrary, are often
very high in society. Is it a way to surrender to the self that they
cannot do within themselves so they have to do it outside? Are they so
profoundly locked into the mental realm that such debasement is the
only way to surrender the mind to the heart.. as when devotees bow their
heads before the guru as a gesture of keeping the head below the heart?
\And
Finally... How can you help such a person?
Thanks.
Date: Sun, 04 Jan 1998 11:32:13 +0100
From: Gloria Greco <lodpressATnospamintercomm.com>
To: fredaATnospamblarg.net
CC: kundalini-lATnospamlists.execpc.com, heartzenATnospamlistserv.servtech.com
Subject: Re: MUST
Message-ID: <34AF6529.4D9CATnospamintercomm.com>
freda wrote:
>
>
> Nonsense? You think that is nonsense? Have your family and friends tried
> to have you commited? Have you had medication stuffed down your throat?
> Have you been strapped to a bed so these medications could be fed to you
> intraveiniously! This is really a scarry thing, to know that the only
> way to get out is to NOT talk about what is happening.
> yea, okay it WOULD be terrific if talking to family and friends would
> make this process a bit smoother, BUT the reality, in my life, has been
> that, although they mean well, their reality isn't quite ready for mine.
Freda, hi, Gloria here:
Sounds like you had the same experience as Yogi Tom, and he was put into
a hosptial by his folks. Yes, I don't think Gene has experienced this
side of the picture, and it is a very delicate situation. I've learned
very early on when to speak and when to be silent, and whereas my family
know I'm very different I don't go into big details about things with
them.
I've also been very public, I published a newspaper for 12 years here in
N. Nevada, and since it was all good news I exposed myself and writing
to everyone, yet I didn't come out and talk directly about kundalini.
Even when I wrote my book, Good and Evil IN Our Times I shared about
childhood experience and mentioned kundalini but didn't go into great
detail. The book I'm doing now, however, is about the kundalini
awakening, and I suspect there will be some challenges in bringing it
out. The list is wonderful because people are having the relationship
with kundalini and finding an avenue in which they can release their
thoughts and experiences to others. This is very important, and I think
before the world will open up to become aware of this, it has to go
through some attitude changes. Do you all agree?
And perhaps, we need to find the language to communicate it through?
Gloria
>
Date: Sun, 04 Jan 1998 11:45:25 +0100
From: Gloria Greco <lodpressATnospamintercomm.com>
To: anandajyoti <anandajyotiATnospamgeocities.com>
CC: NancyATnospamwtp.net, kundalini-1 <kundalini-lATnospamexecpc.com>,
Gene Kieffer <gkiefferATnospamnetaxis.com>,
"heartzenATnospamlistserv.servtech.com" <heartzenATnospamlistserv.servtech.com>
Subject: Re: MUST
Message-ID: <34AF6841.4E69ATnospamintercomm.com>
anandajyoti wrote:
>
>
>
> Anandajyoti>Yes , I can understand this great folly. To simply put it, I think that Physics would end when it can find the source of Energy, from which all other forms of it can be
> derived. So with chemistry, when one element is found from which all other elements can be derived. In Physics and in any branch of science dealing with energy, even to this day of
> technological progress, what has been objectively known are the effects of the that Primal Energy, not the Primal Energy itself. In its search Science has only been able till now to study
> and know the effects of that Energy which is source of all.
> As long as we humans are in the field of duality, all knowledge from our experiences are known to us through the process of comparison of infinite variations of phenomena. When one
> becomes IT, there remains nothing to compare it with. There remains no duality. It is the mind, ego, feelings, knowledge everything through which we know or experience becomes One Whole.
> There are no Two. When one comes out of that state of consciousness in the field of duality again, where the ego, mind, emotions, feelings all resurface on the conscious plane, only then
> we come to know, where we were, what we are, and all else.
> It is being and becoming THAT. No Saint or Sinner till now has been able to verbalize THAT.
Gloria:
Very well put, in fact, even in trying to prove the existence of
soul/spirit I think they finally recongized that the body weighed a bit
less then when the spirit lived in it. This is all so very etheric that
it is difficult to prove scientifically... what it is.
Yet, Gene's proposal of having the educational process changed to take
in the spiritual is very important. Not the spiritual as relgion but the
spiritual as experience. Sai Baba has a very powerful teaching method
that takes in the spiritual consciousness as foundation for everything
else, this is where I see the value in what Gene is proposing. Kundalini
is a natural evolution and it is moving on its own since it is
consciousness, so we have to say what is it trying to break through
here. Is there something coming down in these discussions that can be
assimilated into consciousness perhaps in a different way then even what
we've heard spoken of. And, are we missing something of value in the
process?
And, is the world ready to be enlightened in this way?
>
> Anandajyoti>
> The spiritual experiences could be shared with those, who are in the same plane of consciosuness/knowing/understanding . As long as we are in the field of
> duality, we need to be discerning what we would share with others.
> That's the way to live in this field of dualistic world, as long as we are in the body.
> A biblical narration comes to mind. When Jesus was tempted by Satan, and Satan told Jesus "If you are the spirit as you claim, then plunge down off the mountain, and let your Father save
> you." Jesus replied, "Get away Satan,
> I am still on the body." Meaning : I am still in the physical, although I know my essence to be the Spirit.
>
> Anandajyoti.
> http://www.geocities.com/Athens/Forum/6782
--
Enter The Silence to Know God ... and... accept life as the teacher.
Gloria Joy Greco
e-mail me at : lodpressATnospamintercomm.com and visit our homepages at:
http://users.intercomm.com/larryn/
&
http://www.freeyellow.com/members/zg888/
Hope you enjoy them!
Date: Sun, 4 Jan 1998 16:42:20 EST
From: Afperry <AfperryATnospamaol.com>
To: Kundalini-lATnospamexecpc.com
Cc: kundalini-l-ownerATnospamexecpc.com
Subject: London: new subscriber introduction
Message-ID: <2501e194.34b0023eATnospamaol.com>
As a new subscriber to this list (whose existence I applaud but I have only
just come across) I suppose I should briefly introduce myself. I am a 45yr old
male, conventional, married, two kids, etc. who lives and works in London
where I have been teaching meditation part-time since 1991. I run a group
called the Dhyana Centre, based at the Theosophical Society's HQ in Central
London. In 1987, I went through a sudden (and rather traumatic) full awakening
of my kundalini as a result of normal meditative practices. I was very
fortunate to be guided through the all-important initial years of my
subsequent kundalini sadhana by a God-realised Sri Lankan 'shaktipat' master
in the UK (not involved in any of the Siddha Yoga or Kundalini Yoga groups)
who took me to the stage where I in turn started teaching meditation, which I
have continued to do since. I also teach meditation within the Sai Baba
Organisation in the UK. As a result of my teaching groups, it has been my joy
and privilege to help many others going through different stages of kundalini
arousal, as well as trying to extend awareness of kundalini in general, and my
reason for joining your mailing list is primarily the same. I hope that I may
be of some help - and learn at the same time!
God bless,
Alan Perry
Date: Sun, 4 Jan 1998 17:06:08 -0500 (EST)
From: Gene Kieffer <gkiefferATnospamnetaxis.com>
To: NancyATnospamwtp.net
Cc: kundalini-lATnospamexecpc.com, heartzenATnospamlistserv.servtech.com
Subject: Verification
Message-Id: <199801042206.RAA12160ATnospamdavinci.netaxis.COM>
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Dear Nancy,
If your mind is already made up, then of course you cannot see any
reason for scientific verification of a phenomenon that many people
think is imaginary.
Many gurus in the past--before they flooded into America to save
our souls and get rich--said that most people who seek Enlightenment
end up self-deluded through self-hypnosis. If you have ever witnessed
the performance of a skilled hypnotist, you will readily understand.
A skilled hypnotist can make some people believe anything. They can
make some people believe they are Enlightened.
Moreover, if you talk to any well-versed clinical psychologist
about schizophrenics, they will tell you that many of them claim to be
Enlightened, in touch with God, geniuses, Jesus Christ, Buddha, Einstein,
or whoever. I once was on a radio show with a psychologist who had
written a book entitled THE THREE CHRISTS OF YPSILANTI. The author of
the book had three inmates of the Ypsilanti Mental Hospital (In Michigan)
who each claimed to be Jesus, live in the same small house with one
another for two years. He wanted to know what they would think after
living with others who believed they were the same Jesus.
At the end of two years, each of the three men--the three Jesuses--
each continued to claim the same thing, and each pointed to the other
two men as being deluded. Now, we can say the same thing about some
people who have awakened Kundalini. We do not say that they have not
awakened Kundalini, necessarily, but based on the percentages, we can
say that some are deluding themselves into believing something that is
not fact. So those who KNOW they are Enlightened, or whatever, might
feel that it wouldn't be such a bad idea if the scientific community
were to verify the existence of Kundalini.
That's only one little thing, granted. But many people who have
awakened Kundalini have a very, very narrow view of the Divinity and
cannot see what an unprecedented change for the good can take place
once science makes Kundalini a universally known and understood
phenomenon. Even Harsha said virtually the same thing in an email
to me earlier today.
Sincerely,
gene
Date: Sun, 04 Jan 1998 16:47:38 +0000
From: Nancy <NancyATnospamwtp.net>
To: Gene Kieffer <gkiefferATnospamnetaxis.com>
CC: kundalini-1 <kundalini-lATnospamexecpc.com>
Subject: Re: Verification
Message-ID: <34AFBD26.423CATnospamwtp.net>
Gene Kieffer wrote:
>
> If your mind is already made up, then of course you cannot see any
> reason for scientific verification of a phenomenon that many people
> think is imaginary.
It's not that my mind is made up. I'm saying what does it serve to prove
this in the physical world?
Will scientific verification convince someone that I am not delusional?
Doubt it. Will science prove that I am not delusional? Perhaps. Is that
the answer? Prove it to people? I don't think so. I don't think you
could believe the events that unfold in your life with a spiritual
awakening unless you experienced them.
Recently, I met my twin flame. Now, if someone told me that I would meet
someone and feel this instant connection and through the process clear
the blocks in my heart and understand for the first time unconditional
love...yeah, right. I would say they were NUTS! But since I have
experienced this and I know it's true. Iknow myself to be a reasonable
and logical person so I know I'm not nuts.
If I talked about this with everyone, many would think I'm nuts. So I am
selective who I talk about this with.
It has been helpful to talk to others with a similar experience. It
would have been helpful to find more material on this. But that lack has
inspired me and another flamer to collaborate on writing a book about
twin flames.
I would be the first to acknowledge that twin flames might not really
exist. That's not the point. The point is it helped me understand a
spiritual incident and begin to make sense out of it.
So, Gene, it's not that I have my mind made up about scientific proof. I
just think proving something spiritual is futile.
Nancy
Date: Sun, 4 Jan 1998 18:42:24 EST
From: SchrLL <SchrLLATnospamaol.com>
To: ric51ATnospamgeorge.lhi.net
Cc: Kundalini-lATnospamexecpc.com
Subject: Re: Loved by the Light
Message-ID: <1bc7e195.34b01e62ATnospamaol.com>
Rick,
You can order my book, "loved by the Light" from me directly. Send $13.00 to
Linda Schreiber, PO Box 46829, Washington DC 20050-6829. Thanks for the order.
I hope you enjoy my book. Let me know whaat you think.
Love and Light, Linda ATnospam->->--
Date: Sun, 4 Jan 1998 19:01:09 EST
From: SchrLL <SchrLLATnospamaol.com>
To: sassiATnospamworldnet.att.net
Cc: kundalini-lATnospamexecpc.com
Subject: Re: MUST
Message-ID: <391c9665.34b022c7ATnospamaol.com>
In a message dated 98-01-04 13:49:28 EST, you write:
> Someone should write a book. Oh, been there done that ? Didn't sell ?
> Couldn't get it published ? Well, how about changing a few labels,
> adding sex and violence, jazz it up with state of the art graphics ?
> Definately go with Tantra. Jacquilene Suzanne can write the intro,
> and G. Gordon Liddy the forward. Arnie and Demi can play Shiva and
> Shakti in the movie.
ATnospam->->--
In India the TV shows ARE of all the religious stories. It is very popular.
Love and LIght, Linda
Date: Sun, 04 Jan 1998 19:52:25 -0800
From: Harsh Luthar <hlutharATnospamkeynes.bryant.edu>
To: anandajyoti <anandajyotiATnospamgeocities.com>
Cc: NancyATnospamwtp.net, kundalini-1 <kundalini-lATnospamexecpc.com>,
Gene Kieffer <gkiefferATnospamnetaxis.com>,
"heartzenATnospamlistserv.servtech.com" <heartzenATnospamlistserv.servtech.com>
Subject: Re: MUST
Message-Id: <34B058F9.660EATnospamkeynes.bryant.edu>
Harsha writes: I think as usual Anandajyoti offers important insights
and a balanced view of things. A Devotee, Yogi or Jnani who has realized
the Truth of Reality or God as not separate from His/Her Own Being is
usually not driven by the idea of "Marketing" that Truth to the masses.
Majority of the remaining Karmic debt a Sage feels is not to
"science"-whatever that is, but to the spiritual aspirants (even if they
are only a handful) who are sincerely seeking. Although there have
always been false Gurus (for thousands of years), there have also been
Realized ones. A Guru is like a candle. When one candle lights another,
no difference remains in the two flames. A genuine spiritual personality
would not say, "I have to prove something to somebody or science etc."
Prove What!
Harsha
Anandajyoti wrote:
>
> >>>>>>Nancy wrote:
>
> > Does anyone else see the folly in this--Objectively verifying kundalini?
> > How can we verify that of spirit. To want to objectively verify it is to
> > completely misunderstand its nature.<<<<<<
>
> Anandajyoti>Yes , I can understand this great folly. To simply put it, I think that Physics would end when it can find the source of Energy, from which all other forms of it can be
> derived. So with chemistry, when one element is found from which all other elements can be derived. In Physics and in any branch of science dealing with energy, even to this day of
> technological progress, what has been objectively known are the effects of the that Primal Energy, not the Primal Energy itself. In its search Science has only been able till now to study
> and know the effects of that Energy which is source of all.
> As long as we humans are in the field of duality, all knowledge from our experiences are known to us through the process of comparison of infinite variations of phenomena. When one
> becomes IT, there remains nothing to compare it with. There remains no duality. It is the mind, ego, feelings, knowledge everything through which we know or experience becomes One Whole.
> There are no Two. When one comes out of that state of consciousness in the field of duality again, where the ego, mind, emotions, feelings all resurface on the conscious plane, only then
> we come to know, where we were, what we are, and all else.
> It is being and becoming THAT. No Saint or Sinner till now has been able to verbalize THAT.
>
> > >>>>>>Nancy>
> >
> > But I don't think that science can be used to "prove" spirituality. That
> > of spirit comes to us through knowing not through proving. <<<<<<
>
> Anandajyoti>I think Science can prove the effects of spirituality, not its CAUSE, at this point.
> When the Scientist ( I forget the name now) who discovered laughing gas or nitrous oxide, inhaled it himself and burst out laughing, and later on he expressed his experience as " I saw the
> whole Universe as ideas, floating in space."
> We can believe or disbelieve his experience, but he on his own knowing could never disbelieve his own experience. So, proving the spirit,
> one has to become it, and on coming out of that state of consciousness can only approximate his actual experience, when verbalized, in a very limited way.
> But who knows, that Science may be able to come up with some gadget to measure or prove consciousness itself. There are infinite possibilities in the realm of the INFINITE.
>
> > >>>>>Nancy>
> >
> > I have the ability to talk about things in "precise and rational
> > language." But I would never in my wildest dreams think of sharing my
> > spiritual awakening with people who were not ready to hear. It's too
> > threatening. Do you see the humor in this?<<<<<<
>
> Anandajyoti>
> I agree with the above. The spiritual experiences could be shared with those, who are in the same plane of consciosuness/knowing/understanding . As long as we are in the field of
> duality, we need to be discerning what we would share with others.
> That's the way to live in this field of dualistic world, as long as we are in the body.
> A biblical narration comes to mind. When Jesus was tempted by Satan, and Satan told Jesus "If you are the spirit as you claim, then plunge down off the mountain, and let your Father save
> you." Jesus replied, "Get away Satan,
> I am still on the body." Meaning : I am still in the physical, although I know my essence to be the Spirit.
>
> Anandajyoti.
> http://www.geocities.com/Athens/Forum/6782
Date: Sun, 04 Jan 1998 17:53:35 -0800
From: freda <fredaATnospamblarg.net>
To: Gene Kieffer <gkiefferATnospamnetaxis.com>
CC: kundalini-lATnospamexecpc.com
Subject: Re: Verification
Message-ID: <34B03D1F.29D6ATnospamblarg.net>
Gene writes:
> Moreover, if you talk to any well-versed clinical psychologist
> about schizophrenics, they will tell you that many of them claim to be
> Enlightened, in touch with God, geniuses, Jesus Christ, Buddha, >Einstein, or whoever.
So? What do you think Gene? are the Enlightened schizophrenics or
are the schizophrenics Enlightened? or maybe schizophrenics don't fit
into
the group of people to whom you are addressing?
> At the end of two years, each of the three men--the three Jesuses--
> each continued to claim the same thing, and each pointed to the other
> two men as being deluded. Now, we can say the same thing about some
> people who have awakened Kundalini.
Who is saying this about k awakened people? Are "we" the scientists, and
the
>" well-versed clinical psychologists" ?,
who treat schizophrenics!
> We do not say that they have not awakened Kundalini, necessarily, but
based on the percentages, we can say that some are deluding themselves
>into believing something that is not fact.
What do you supose would be a good sound treatment to un-enlighten those
who the scientists feel don't fit within the given percentages?
You are setting yourself up to judge the quality and the very existance
of another entities spiritual evolution.
> So those who KNOW they are Enlightened, or whatever, might
> feel that it wouldn't be such a bad idea if the scientific community
> were to verify the existence of Kundalini.
How are you going to sort out those who KNOW they are Enlightened
and those who only know they are enlightened?
on who's spiritual awakening is the test going to based on? from what I
have
been reading there are as many different awakenings as there are
awakened people.
> But many people who have
> awakened Kundalini have a very, very narrow view of the Divinity
Is that so?....
>and
> cannot see what an unprecedented change for the good can take place
> once science makes Kundalini a universally known and understood
> phenomenon.
Once science? makes? Kundalini? ...that is funny. Kundalini has been
around a long
time, Science is rather new. Not to mention scientists get it wrong - a
lot!
But I wouldn't be surprized if science exists BECAUSE of Kundalini.
Who was it that pointed out that Kundalini may be, in part, a result of
k ?
It is my opinion that the verification of a spiritual awakening is
strictly between
God and the Enlightened.
-
..freda..
BE-IS-AM ...manifesting again...
http://www.blarg.net/~freda/01rg/hm/frhm.htm
Date: Sun, 04 Jan 1998 21:32:09 -0500
From: David Bozzi <david.bozziATnospamsnet.net>
To: Kundalini <kundalini-lATnospamexecpc.com>
CC: heartzenATnospamlistserv.servtech.com
Subject: Re: heredity
Message-ID: <34B04629.7BD6ATnospammail.snet.net>
Gene Kieffer wrote:
> But in general, young people are more prone to
> downplay heredity. It is only when they are up in years that they see,
> plain as the nose on their face, that heredity was more of a factor than
> they might have suspected.
Only with regard to that which does not last forever...
Date: Sun, 04 Jan 1998 21:39:25 -0500
From: David Bozzi <david.bozziATnospamsnet.net>
To: Kundalini <kundalini-lATnospamexecpc.com>
CC: heartzenATnospamlistserv.servtech.com, shalomATnospamcheerful.com
Subject: Re: HRTZEN: Other Paths?
Message-ID: <34B047DD.14B8ATnospammail.snet.net>
Gene Kieffer wrote:
> if that person achieves Enlightenment or Self-Realization,
> or Cosmic Consciousness, he or she must have awakened Kundalini.
Kundalini must have awakened "him" or "her".
Persons do not "achieve" Enlightenment.
Self-Realization reveals the illusionary nature of the personal.
Warmest Intent
Date: Sun, 04 Jan 1998 21:56:28 -0500
From: David Bozzi <david.bozziATnospamsnet.net>
To: Kundalini <kundalini-lATnospamexecpc.com>
Subject: Re: Science
Message-ID: <34B04BDC.DC5ATnospammail.snet.net>
Daniel James Giszczak wrote:
>
> > Are you concerned more for the world,
> > Or what doing something useful for the world
> > can do for you?
> Taking care of myself is always my first priority.
(snip)
> I am more concerned for the world.
Dear Dan,
Can you see that you and the world are not so far apart?
Warmest Intent,
David
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