1998/01/04 11:31
kundalini-l-d Digest V98 #4
kundalini-l-d Digest Volume 98 : Issue 4
Today's Topics: AutoPost from Kundalini Resource Cen [ "Mark S. Waind" ]
Re: Thanks and Happy New Year! [ SchrLL ] Re: Benefits of Kundalini [ SchrLL ]
Re: kundalini-l-d Digest V98 #2 [ Ann Morrison Fisher ] Re: MUST [ freda ]
Re: kundalini-l-d Digest V98 #3 [ Ann Morrison Fisher ] Re: AutoPost from Kundalini Resource [ Nancy ]
Humility [ Gene Kieffer ] Re: MUST [ anandajyoti ]
Re: MUST [ RiverRisin ] Re: Book of Psalms [ Mystress Angelique Serpent
To: kundalini-lATnospamexecpc.com Subject: AutoPost from Kundalini Resource Center
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I want to find out if anyone is having a similar Kundalini experience to mine.
In a nutshell: For approximately 10 years I have been experiencing an ever increasing energy moving through my body in the form of a sine wave. This energy appears to move in through my feet, up my legs, to my spine, and up through the top of my head. About 4 1/2 years ago, I experienced a burning numbness across my chest. About 3 years ago, this sensation moved to my jaw area as well. I felt ill and thought there was something physically wrong with me. I visited the doctor numerous times only to be told I was in perfect health. I visited an allergist regarding the burning numbness to no avail. I began to feel depressed; as if I was doomed.
About 2 months ago, I became aware of an energy or presence throughout my body. This presence appears to be different from the sine wave energy. It has a personality, is very loving and seems to have my best interest at heart. I have caught rare glimpses of it and it appears to be so large that it is beyond human description. It seems to vibrate in a very low hum. It is now with me all the time although He/She/It only shows me a small part of itself. I'm developing a relationship - a trust - with this presence that is almost familial.
My whole body seems to vibrate (or buzz); my arms are lifted up in the air as if they have minds of their own. My hands start to move in circles and sometimes the vibration is so strong it feels as if my hands are having orgasms. Sometimes I feel the same thing in my feet. I do not hear any voices or have any visions but I feel messages impressed upon my mind. These messages are in a language unknown to me but I understand most of them. For example, "GE FE DA NOP O" which means "The will (GE) in flesh (FE) in the heart (DA) brings about or forms (NOP) a union between self and higher self or God (O). "JI KI LI MI VI HU" where JI is myself, KI is my environment, LI is the other life (people, plants, animals), MI is the superconcious of which I am a part, VI is the universe, and HU is infinity. One more example of this language is the term "MZNA" which appears to be the will moving energy from any chakra of choice into the heart centre for cleansing or healing. Is there an!
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yone out there who is familiar with any of this language?
My hands, as I said before, move of their own volition to different points on my body where they stop and spin in a spiral. The areas they move to are my forehead, under my chin, the base of my throat, over my heart where the spirals increase in size, below my heart, my stomach, and my crotch. Also one hand will point a finger and spin in the palm of the opposite hand then move up my arm in a wave form to my heart and then up to my forehead where it spins. This energy presence swoops in on me like a mighty wind and the only thing I can liken it to is readings from the Bible describing the Holy Ghost coming upon people. Another way of describing it is to liken it to electromagnetic energy; similar to what happens when you place opposite poles of two magnets together.
Anyway, I have said enough for now and would appreciate any enlightenment from other experienced "Kundalinears".
Thanx for your attention.
>From the Heart,
Markus gandm.waindATnospamsympatico.ca
Date: Sun, 4 Jan 1998 00:00:58 EST From: SchrLL
To: kundalini-lATnospamexecpc.com Subject: Re: MUST
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Gene writes: > The K. R. F. has published more than a dozen books on Kundalini and has
done its best to make them widely available. What we cannot understand is the lack of interest on the part of those who have awakened the Energy. One would
think they would like to become more knowledgeable so that they can speak in precise and rational language about the phenomenon to their families, loved
ones,>
ATnospam->->-- Unfortunatley when anyone discusses theories, experiments, or any other
project which has anything whatsoever to do with the three letter word (SEX) , people run the other way with their hands over their ears and their eyes
closed. Of course I am exaggerating, but if you read about what was done to Wilhelm
Reich and how his books were burned and he was harrassed and imprisoned, you will quickly realize how easily you can put your whole career in jeopardy.
But remember, Reich planted the seeds and the holistic health movement got its beginning because of his dedication and willingness to research this long
neglected field. Love and Light, Linda
Date: Sun, 4 Jan 1998 00:35:18 EST From: SchrLL
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In a message dated 98-01-03 22:44:10 EST, you write:
> Subj: re: Thanks and Happy New Year!
> Date: 98-01-03 22:44:10 EST > From: CKRESS
> To: SchrLL > Hello Linda,
> We're really glad you're pleased with your article in the latest issue of > Shared Transformation!
> Best Wishes, > El Collie
> ATnospam->->--
Two people have ordered my book, "Loved by the Light" so far and Igot e-mail from one other who wrote of her Kundalini experience also. What a great writer
she is too. I wish there had been this kind of communication going on when my Kundalini was activating in 1975. At that time, there were very few books out
and they were very hard to find. Thank God for this list! Love and Light, Linda
Date: Sun, 4 Jan 1998 00:51:59 EST From: SchrLL
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In a message dated 98-01-01 00:51:40 EST, you write:
>Subj: Re: Thanks and Happy New Year!
> Date: 98-01-01 00:51:40 EST
> Happy New Year, >
> I received my copy of "Shared Transformations" today - which included the > article of my K awakening. I sincerely hope that it helps others on their
> pathway. I can only echo Linda's words - you did a great job, thank you so > very much.
> Love and Light, dor ATnospam->->--
dor, What a nice surprise to find your message waiting. My computer was down for a
few days while my husband was installing Windows 95. Sure is nice to be married to a computer programmer.
Your article got me curious. You wrote of all the uncomfortable feelings but what were the good feelings? Did your health improve? Mine did.
Love and Light, Linda Date: Sun, 4 Jan 1998 00:08:16 -0600
From: Ann Morrison Fisher To: kundalini-lATnospamlists.execpc.com
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Harsh Luthar wrote:
>> Further I add that all the transcendental and transformational events >> associated with the Kundalini Power are incidental and not essential to
>> Self-Realization.... >On the path
>of Kundalini Yoga, the arousal of Kundalini Shakti and merging it with >ITs Source leads to Nirvikalpa Samadhi which leads to Self-Realization.
>But as I have said before there are other paths where the direct arousal >of the Kundalini is not an antecedent to Realization.>>
Gene Kieffer wrote:
>I don't quite understand what is meant here by "other paths." Regardless
>of whatever "path" one chooses to follow, or whether one chooses not to >follow any path, if that person achieves Enlightenment or Self-Realization,
>or Cosmic Consciousness, he or she must have awakened Kundalini.
If that is true, then it must be that Kundalini can rise in such a subtle fashion that there are no outwardly observable effects. There are
certainly people who have achieved Self-Realization without the outward manifestations of Kundalini.
Date: Sun, 4 Jan 1998 07:16:39 EST From: Qwartz
To: trimbleATnospamhawaii.edu, Kundalini-lATnospamexecpc.com Subject: Re: The Soul Factor
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In a message dated 98-01-03 16:35:44 EST, you write:
< That inner call has NOTHING to do with my genetic material...my DNA or family tree. It was ME.. IT was my soul, my agreement with my oversoul
and my higher self. IT was PRIOR to my birth in this genetic material...snip...
The spirit has no boundaries, no limitations. It agrees to enter the form .. in this case 3D... and take on limitations in order to have experiences of
itself. >>
Ruth, I think you bring up some very valid and important points here, and I'm in full agreement with you. I would only add that, in my opinion, the process
of choosing the new form and the agreement process most likely includes full awareness of those genetic factors that will be inherited in the physical
form. And I believe that those very factors or genetic tendencies that will be manifested in physical form are accepted as a part of our life lesson in that
they most likely provide the stumbling blocks or ease with which we find and fulfill our soul's purpose.
Perhaps that's what you're saying anyway...It's early here, and I'm gulping
coffee and wiping the sleepy dust out of my eyes still. ; )
Blessings Pam
Date: Sun, 04 Jan 1998 04:23:13 -0800 From: freda
To: kundalini-lATnospamlists.execpc.com Subject: Re: MUST
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Gene writes: > Kundalini people say that they don't think anyone will
> understand > unless they have experienced what they have experienced. Nonsense.
Nonsense? You think that is nonsense? Have your family and friends tried
to have you commited? Have you had medication stuffed down your throat? Have you been strapped to a bed so these medications could be fed to you
intraveiniously! This is really a scarry thing, to know that the only way to get out is to NOT talk about what is happening.
yea, okay it WOULD be terrific if talking to family and friends would make this process a bit smoother, BUT the reality, in my life, has been
that, although they mean well, their reality isn't quite ready for mine. All I can do is live as best I can with my reality, if by some chance
someone else sees something in my example that triggers a knowingness in theirs THEN and only then will I speak of these things again to my
family or friends, but I'd be safer talking to a stranger as they would not know the 'old' me, and would have less interest in saving me from
the 'new'.. that is why this list has been helpful to me. I am not so sure that this is a process that can be mass produced. That
is what you are looking to do is it not? Research it, prove it, then package it up for the public. You say you do not encourage awakening
Kundalini yet you go to great lenghts to get the info out to the public, what do you think? that people aren't going to try to be these geniuses
you say kundalini creates? Why do you think people buy your books? Don't misunderstand me here, I think it would be great if there were
more knowlege about the process, especially for those of us who were NOT seeking to find it. I did not even know such a thing existed, obviously
neither did my family. In all honesty, they still think I am nuts and would like to see me get help.
Nonesense? At this point in time it would seem that what is nonsense is kundalni, this from the experts, who felt that killing it before it grew
would be the best course of action. I learned a very good lesson in the hospital - speak no evil!
K awakening, or what ever name you give it - separates you - it is a personal thing, you can't take someone else along on the journey, and I
firmly beleive that only someone else who has tred the path could possibly understand.
-- ..freda..
BE-IS-AM ...manifesting again... http://www.blarg.net/~freda/01rg/hm/frhm.htm
-- ..freda..
BE-IS-AM ...manifesting again... http://www.blarg.net/~freda/01rg/hm/frhm.htm
Date: Sun, 4 Jan 1998 06:45:41 -0600 From: Ann Morrison Fisher
To: kundalini-lATnospamlists.execpc.com Subject: Re: kundalini-l-d Digest V98 #3
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"Gloria Lee" wrote:
>....the only constant is
>change (our conscious awareness at the very least)
In the long run the only constant is the Absolute, the Godhead, the Ground of Being, Shiva.
> I see clues and glimpses in poetry..little god-jokes
>jump out at me from TV even..its everywhere gosh-darn it once you begin >to learn to see IT. The varieties of religious experience alone..let
>alone that actually ALL of life is a spiritual teacher... Where is God >NOT??? ...
>Gee, it FEELS like God is and has >been doing all the work.. doing everything to get my attention..so its
>more like surrender and awareness to experience works for me.. So >teaching Kundalini is no different than teaching art..no guarantees of
>results either way...yet once you learn to see *ART* is everywhere >too....
A beautiful and easy approach.
>...heheh..are you having fun yet, Gene???
Good question!
Ann
Date: Sun, 04 Jan 1998 06:28:29 PST From: "mohamed omar"
To: kundalini-lATnospamexecpc.com Subject: Sadism
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Anybody knows about Sadism?
I know a girl now , she likes to be bitten up during sex. She side she likes the feeling of being slave!
Anybody knows what is the pleasure of being slave? Is this a psychologic disease ?
I am wondering if I can have any information about sadism..
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Date: Sun, 04 Jan 1998 07:39:45 +0000 From: Nancy
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Gene Kieffer wrote:
> What began this discussion was the question: "How can science best
> set about to verify the existence of Kundalini?" >
> So now we must try to separate our feelings from our intellect and > try our best to sort out what can be objectively verified.
Does anyone else see the folly in this--Objectively verifying kundalini?
How can we verify that of spirit. To want to objectively verify it is to completely misunderstand its nature.
Those who have caught a glimpse of spirit while living as humans are
lifted out of the physical universe. What you are suggesting is to make spirit "denser" to understand it physically.
When I try to explain the changes within me, words aren't accurate. I've
discovered that anytime I try to bring that of the spirit to the physical dimension, it's a mere shadow of its original intensity...like
a copy of a copy of a copy.
I sometimes use science to help me conceptually understand spiritual. For example, I would say that the spirit world is like a gas, the
intellectual world is like a liquid, the physical world is like a solid. So in the above example, my spiritual concept becomes solid when I try
to explain it to others. It has to change form and become denser.
But I don't think that science can be used to "prove" spirituality. That of spirit comes to us through knowing now through proving.
> One would think they would like to become more knowledgeable so that they can speak in precise and rational language about the phenomenon to their families, loved ones, friends, etc.
I have the ability to talk about things in "precise and rational
language." But I would never in my wildest dreams think of sharing my spiritual awakening with people who were not ready to hear. It's too
threatening. No matter how rational you appear, they'll still think you're nuts.
Do you see the humor in this? You have said that even people with the
experience are not interested in reading about it. Of course not! Spirit is not an intellectual exercise! It is from the heart.
Gene, if your goal is to convince people that kundalini is a real
phenomena, then you need to speak to their hearts. Stop the intellectualizing and scientific reasoning. Start talking about love and
compassion. Spirit is not about proof, it's about love.
Nancy Date: Sun, 04 Jan 1998 07:40:11 +0000
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Mark S. Waind wrote:
These messages are in a language unknown to me but I understand most of
them...One more example of this language is the term "MZNA" which appears to be the will moving energy from any chakra of choice into the
heart centre for cleansing or healing. Is there an!
Hi Mark,
This language thing amazed me. I wonder if you could explain what or how you have been guided to move energy from other chakras to clear the
heart.
As for your question if anyone else has had a smiliar experience...I have also found a higher wisdom that I've been tapping into since June.
It's not as dramatic as your experience, though. I ask questions, and my "angels" answer in my thoughts which I then write down. Occasionally, a
celestial visitor will impart wisdom in my dreams. (Once while dreaming, an angel read the marriage lines on my palm and told me what they meant.
I argued but she insisted!)
Nancy Date: Sun, 4 Jan 1998 10:36:42 -0500 (EST)
From: Gene Kieffer To: KimberelyGATnospamaol.com
Cc: heartzenATnospamlistserv.servtech.com, Kundalini-lATnospamexecpc.com Subject: Humility
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Dear Kimberely,
Ordinarily a person who has gone through and is still going through
the ordeals you describe would seek the help of (a) a minister, (b) a guru, or (c) a psychologist.
But that would be costly in terms of time and money, and who can say
whether any of the above would be worth the price to be paid?
Anyone can offer advice. It's cheap and usually not worth the time it takes to listen.
Knowledge, however, might be of help. Certainly it will be
of real benefit over the long run. If you give us your mailing address, we will send a few articles, books, etc., FREE that
will provide some knowledge. Knowledge doesn't work instantly. It will, however, soak into your psyche and produce confidence.
Confidence produces freedom.
What many K-people need is knowledge/confidence/freedom, and it seems from what I am hearing from many K-people is that they lack
these characteristics. The K. R. F. will help as best it can by providing reliable reading material FREE. We are not a membership
organization; we are not gurus; we are not attempting to make a profit off anybody. Anyone writing to us does so in strict
confidence. We want nothing in return.
Peace, Gene
Date: Sun, 04 Jan 1998 08:38:35 -0800 From: anandajyoti
To: NancyATnospamwtp.net CC: kundalini-1 , Gene Kieffer ,
"heartzenATnospamlistserv.servtech.com" Subject: Re: MUST
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>>>>>>Nancy wrote:
> Does anyone else see the folly in this--Objectively verifying kundalini? > How can we verify that of spirit. To want to objectively verify it is to
> completely misunderstand its nature.<<<
Anandajyoti>Yes , I can understand this great folly. To simply put it, I think that Physics would end when it can find the source of Energy, from which all other forms of it can be derived. So with chemistry, when one element is found from which all other elements can be derived. In Physics and in any branch of science dealing with energy, even to this day of
technological progress, what has been objectively known are the effects of the that Primal Energy, not the Primal Energy itself. In its search Science has only been able till now to study and know the effects of that Energy which is source of all.
As long as we humans are in the field of duality, all knowledge from our experiences are known to us through the process of comparison of infinite variations of phenomena. When one becomes IT, there remains nothing to compare it with. There remains no duality. It is the mind, ego, feelings, knowledge everything through which we know or experience becomes One Whole.
There are no Two. When one comes out of that state of consciousness in the field of duality again, where the ego, mind, emotions, feelings all resurface on the conscious plane, only then we come to know, where we were, what we are, and all else.
It is being and becoming THAT. No Saint or Sinner till now has been able to verbalize THAT.
> >>>>>>Nancy> >
> But I don't think that science can be used to "prove" spirituality. That > of spirit comes to us through knowing not through proving. <<<
Anandajyoti>I think Science can prove the effects of spirituality, not its CAUSE, at this point.
When the Scientist ( I forget the name now) who discovered laughing gas or nitrous oxide, inhaled it himself and burst out laughing, and later on he expressed his experience as " I saw the whole Universe as ideas, floating in space."
We can believe or disbelieve his experience, but he on his own knowing could never disbelieve his own experience. So, proving the spirit, one has to become it, and on coming out of that state of consciousness can only approximate his actual experience, when verbalized, in a very limited way.
But who knows, that Science may be able to come up with some gadget to measure or prove consciousness itself. There are infinite possibilities in the realm of the INFINITE.
> >>>>>Nancy> >
> I have the ability to talk about things in "precise and rational > language." But I would never in my wildest dreams think of sharing my
> spiritual awakening with people who were not ready to hear. It's too > threatening. Do you see the humor in this?<<<
Anandajyoti>
I agree with the above. The spiritual experiences could be shared with those, who are in the same plane of consciosuness/knowing/understanding . As long as we are in the field of duality, we need to be discerning what we would share with others.
That's the way to live in this field of dualistic world, as long as we are in the body. A biblical narration comes to mind. When Jesus was tempted by Satan, and Satan told Jesus "If you are the spirit as you claim, then plunge down off the mountain, and let your Father save
you." Jesus replied, "Get away Satan, I am still on the body." Meaning : I am still in the physical, although I know my essence to be the Spirit.
Anandajyoti.
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Date: Sun, 4 Jan 1998 12:52:30 EST From: RiverRisin
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In a message dated 98-01-04 11:38:01 EST, you write:
< > Does anyone else see the folly in this--Objectively verifying kundalini?
> How can we verify that of spirit. To want to objectively verify it is to > completely misunderstand its nature.<<<
Anandajyoti>Yes , I can understand this great folly. >>
Maybe I took this a little wrong. But if I didn't get objective results from
working with spirit, I never would have left my law practice to become an energy healer. And I started with physical healings just for that purpose, to
have objective proof for my trained analytical and skeptical mind. But then I love to see miracles. And I see the resluts in incorporating the thinking of
the heart and soul with the mind. And I then can read people's feelings when asked, care more, love more, see results in my body mind and spirit. I think
science will be able to see subtle energy someday soon. But I don't look to science for the answers... those a re within. But nothing wrong with
manifesting some objective results. Thanks for the topic...
Namaste'
Ken Date: Fri, 02 Jan 1998 23:03:42
From: Mystress Angelique Serpent To: iri
Cc: kundalini-lATnospamlists.execpc.com Subject: Re: Book of Psalms
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What is outside of you is inside of you. Calm your inner eruptions, and
stop worrying about the end of the world.. this is all metaphor for the worlds within.
Blessings, Mystress.
At 12:42 28/12/97 -0800, iri wrote:
>Also in Psalm 98 it mentions the mountains shouting with joy (or to that effect)
>Is this a prediction of Volcanic Eruptions? So will 1998 be a year of Floods >and Volcanoes?
> >
> >
Mystress Angelique Serpent,
Dominant Experiential Facilitator. Website= http://www.domin8rex.com/serpent
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Date: Sat, 03 Jan 1998 21:06:50 From: Mystress Angelique Serpent
To: Ann Morrison Fisher Cc: kundalini-lATnospamlists.execpc.com
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List Mystress responds: On this list, replys sent private stay that way. No guessing required. It
is condiered VERY bad form to repost a private reply to this list without the author's consent.
Most folks respond to a list post by hitting "Reply to all" on their program, and so a second copy is sent directly to the person, to be sure
that they will recieve it.. If a person has chosen not to cc: the post to the list, it is simple
arrogance to think that posting your reply to the list is more important than honoring thier choice for privacy. In your case, you must not have
read the intro post too carefully. When in Rome.. please go back and read it again, it is on the website, address below, or I can send you another
copy. If you have seen some private mail posted, that may be coz I have been
mostly absent this month, moving, and have not been around to spank the transgressors.. :)
Now ya know.. if in doubt, ask the author.. the pace of threads on this list is not so rapid you cannot wait for a reply before posting.
At 21:06 28/12/97 -0600, Ann Morrison Fisher wrote:
>>In another list I belong to, people often send messages privately and then
>>cc to the list, so I do the same. On this list some people do that, too. >>
>>I try very hard to keep private mail private. But if the sender doesn't >>say the note is private, I have to guess.
>> >>Some notes say "CC: kundalini-lATnospamlists.execpc.com" in the header, and then
>>I know. But not all carry that message. My own mail program doesn't seem >>to have a cc function, so my mail never shows it.
>>
>APPEAL TO ALL: If you send a private message and do NOT want it and/or the >reply sent to the list, please make sure the recipient knows that. It
>isn't easy to guess, especially given the sensitive nature of much of the >subject matter on this list.
> >
> >
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