1998/01/03 11:42
kundalini-l-d Digest V98 #2
kundalini-l-d Digest Volume 98 : Issue 2
Today's Topics:
Re: Heredity [ anandajyoti <anandajyotiATnospamgeocities. ]
Re: [Fwd: Proof] [ Harsh Luthar <hlutharATnospamkeynes.bryant ]
wind and kunalini [ Kurt Keutzer <keutzerATnospameecs.berkeley ]
Re: Science/Kundalini ( Long ) [ Ann Morrison Fisher <annfisherATnospamstic ]
Re: Kundalini as incidental (was RE: [ Harsh Luthar <hlutharATnospamkeynes.bryant ]
Re: wind and kundalini [ Ann Morrison Fisher <annfisherATnospamstic ]
Re: Kundalini Yoga [ Khor Chu Cheng <cestechATnospamtm.net.my> ]
pictures [ fransATnospamdegas.telebyte.nl ]
Re: genius (yes me too, long) [ fransATnospamdegas.telebyte.nl ]
Re: genius (yes me too, long) [ Harsh Luthar <hlutharATnospamkeynes.bryant ]
Other Paths? [ Gene Kieffer <gkiefferATnospamnetaxis.com> ]
Re: circulate [ Soulseeks <SoulseeksATnospamaol.com> ]
Date: Fri, 02 Jan 1998 18:05:31 -0800
From: anandajyoti <anandajyotiATnospamgeocities.com>
To: heartzenATnospamlistserv.servtech.com, Kundalini-lATnospamexecpc.com
CC: Gene Kieffer <gkiefferATnospamnetaxis.com>, leydaATnospamvalunet.com
Subject: Re: Heredity
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> Drew wrote>
> >>>>>>> What hereditary factors affect Kundalini activation ?<<<<<<
> Gene wrote>
> >>>>>>Kundalini has both a biological component and a spiritual component.
> As yet we know only a very little about Spiritual Laws. .........it also is
> influenced by hereditary factors in all of our lives. Chances are it will be
> seen that somewhere, either the parents, grandparents, an aunt, uncle,or
> sibling, will have been highly talented, deeply religious,
> eccentric,schizophrenic, manic-depressive, etc. <<<<<<<
It behooves me to wish everyone on the lists a very happy New Year. I would
like to share my views on the pointsraised by Drew and Gene above.
Many believe that souls choose their own parents, family, and the environment
in which they take birth.
If we believe this to be true, only then can we share a perspective on the
questions raised.
Firstly, Hereditary factors do play a role in the Kundalini Process. At the
same time, there were yogis in India,
whose life profiles, I am in the process of writing, do indicate that inspite
of hereditary influences, the inner urge,
the self determination of the person, has no less a role to play, in the
Kundalini process.
The hereditary factors do play the role of a helpful environment , and that
does speed up the process.
Even if the hereditary factors be present, it has also been my experience, to
meet people, who inspite of having this hereditary factor are non believers of
any form of spiritual basis. So , on this context, i would not be able to agree
that hereditary factors play any other role than to present to the aspirant a
helpful environment.
All the rest depends on the very personal predisposition of the person in
question. Self determination is more
of an influence in the process, and as this is also true in any material
aspirations, which may not have any connection with spirituality at all.
It is also true , that in many cases, the family tree also plays a strong role,
but that in no way does override the personal predisposition dependant on the
inner urge to a degree, and the self determination of any aspirant, whether in
matters of material success or spiritual enlightenment.
We may fantasize about anything in this Universe, and for a time think it to be
true, and that's what we may want.
But fantasies are but dreams, for people living in the wa-wa- land. True
spiritual aspirations do derive from commitment, love, compassion, and
determination, to be true in the head and also the heart. Many think something
in the head, feel something in the heart, in quite opposite directions, and
later on find the allurement to vanish like a mirage. Many may accept
truthfully to themselves, the opposites in their experiences, others may wish
to continue in the dilemma, for gratification purposes.
Anandajyoti
Date: Fri, 02 Jan 1998 21:41:42 -0800
From: Harsh Luthar <hlutharATnospamkeynes.bryant.edu>
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Subject: Re: [Fwd: Proof]
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Gene stated:
> From the various comments on Urdhava-retas just recently received, it is
> clear that this phenomenon is not what is generally meant by the sublimation
> of sexual energy. Many of the books cited by some of the K-people as
> explicitly referring to Urdhava-retas in actual fact only refer to
> sublimation. Those who actually experience Urdhava-retas in its real sense
> know what it is and that it is not mere sublimation.
Harsha replies: Gene, Urdhava-retas and sublimation of sexual energy
into Ojas and Tejas are indeed the same thing. In the beginning, the
experience may be forceful and is physically felt. In more advanced
stages, the process of urdhava-retas is second nature and the sexual
energy is constantly transmuted into ojas and tejas. There was a fairly
extensive discussion on this earlier in the context of Kundalini and
Samadhi and it may be helpful for you to look at some of the archives
from November. I had stated that with moderation or purity in sexual
conduct one could retain the Kundalini Shakti at the crown center for
longer periods and hence certain Samadhis will last longer. From my
experiences, there are virtually unlimited manifestations of Kundalini
Shakti involving both ascent to the brain centers as well as forceful
descents (not the ordinary coming back of the Shakti to Muladhara) thus
completing the circuit. Due to limited experiences of Shakti, many
students feel that their particular manifestation (or their Guru's--
about which they seem to somehow have perfect knowledge!) is more valid
or more genuine. I can recognize many diverse manifestations of
Kundalini when people describe them simply because I have experienced
them. I remember, about 20 years ago, two monks discussing and
disagreeing about their third eye experience. Both were serious and
advanced students. Each one believed sincerely that the other was
misinterpreting his experience. As I listened I realized that that both
were right in their description! Only different subtle pathways (Nadis)
were involved in the Kundalini experiences. What to do? One can only
keep silent. And this is one thing I wish to emphasize Gene (and I say
it with respect for you my brother), you seem to mix up the Kundalini
Shakti with its physical manifestations. The manifestations depend on
the movement of Shakti through various Nadis (many of which are not
mentioned in scriptures!). A focus on manifestations misses the central
point about the essential nature of the Kundalini Shakti as
Consciousness. Kundalini Shakti is extremely subtle. The conscious mind
which wishes to measure IT, itself is a manifestation of IT. The
Kundalini Shakti upon reaching IT's Source results in Self-Realization
or God Consciousness. All other manifestations of the Shakti, no matter
how fascinating to the mind, are incidental to Realization of the
Supreme Divinity which resolves the mystery of existence. The Shakti and
the Self are two sides of the same coin. A person of Self-Realization
knows that with unmistakable clarity and is steady in that knowledge.
For that reason, the genuine Sage remains unimpressed with all
experiences and remains devoted to the Divine Beloved in the Heart.
Harsha
Date: Fri, 02 Jan 1998 19:07:39 -0800
From: Kurt Keutzer <keutzerATnospameecs.berkeley.edu>
To: kundalini-lATnospamlists.execpc.com, annfisherATnospamstic.net
CC: keutzerATnospameecs.berkeley.edu
Subject: wind and kunalini
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Kurt Keutzer <keutzerATnospamEECS.Berkeley.EDU> wrote:
>>From: John Lounsberry <berryATnospamcnwl.igs.net>
><snip>
>> To share a few things that I have found to be true.
>> We have 7 primary Chakras only 4 we can influence.
>> The above three are influenced by Grace. We may meditate
on
>>divine images,
>>contemplate the beauty of God in the universe, but these chakras are
>>influenced by the
>>Holy Spirit and entered from above.
(Kurt)
>....In my limited experience the three higher chakras are certainly
open to
>the cooling compassionate grace from above but may also be transformed
by
>the rising kundalini from below. ... ultimately these two energies meet
>and it is in their union
>that dualities are transcended.
>
(John)
>> I believe it is possible to force a premature awakening. By
>>forcing kundalini into the
>>brain without Grace we run the risk of many undesirable side effects.
>> Patience with divine meditation for guidance may be a more
>>natural method to take.
>>Live a life of service and one day grace will happen and the Holy
Spirit
>>will enter
>>through the crown and meeting the heart allowing the divinely prepared
>>brain to receive
>>the kundalini.
>
Kurt
>That is certainly one path. It is advocated by many teachers but there
>are others who prefer the path of kundalini yoga, in its various forms.
Ann Fisher says:
>From Sarah Harding's introduction to "Creation and Completion" [read
"kundalini" for "wind"]:
Kurt says:
Thanks for this quote and others you've posted to the list. I think that
quotes and references are very useful in broadening people's
perspectives. I would however disagree with your comment `` [read
"kundalini" for "wind"]''. It's a big debate as to whether kundalini and
wind (skt. prana or sometimes vayu, Tibetan: rlung) are the same thing.
I personally don't think they are. The concept in tantric Buddhism that
comes closest to kundalini is ``the fierce woman'' gTummo (Skt:
candali). Tummo is the fierce red energy at the navel. But a while back
a fellow named ``Mr. Namaste'' questioned that equivalence and on
reflection I have to agree with him. gTummo is most likely equivalent to
the Surya (sun) at the navel mentioned in some yoga texts. Awakening
Surya always wakens kundalini. So the two are very related.
I think that the viewpoints that are recurrent in this and other
discussions here are the primality of the
tummo = red bodhicitta = red khams ascending vs the primality
white bodhicitta = white khams descending.
As you may be aware in the tantric Buddhist systems the fiery tummo is
raised all the way to the crown and the cooling white bodhicitta is
allowed to descend all the way down as well. Alternatively, hey may also
both be joined at the heart.Neither is seen as supreme relative to the
other but each is seen to be of the same fundamental nature.
Ann quotes sarah harding below:
"According to the teachings of Vajrayana [Tantra], there is an
intimate relationship between the mind and the movements of vital energy
or
"wind" in the body. It is said that the mind rides the wind, or that
mind
and wind are inseparable. This can be noticed when calm abiding is
stabilized. When the ultimate realization of true nature takes place,
what
happens on the psycho-physical level is that the wind enters the central
channel (dbu ma, Skt. avadhuti), the main artery of movement of energy
in
the body. On the other hand, a practitioner may choose to work at it
from
the other side. That is, to cultivate these energies purposefully and
cause the wind to enter the central channel through various physical
tehniques, spontaneously bringing about realization.
"The first approach is termed the Path of Liberation ('grol lam)
and the second the Path of Method (thabs lam). The first is the direct
approach of recognizing mind nature,... Although it may seem more direct
and, to some people, more attractive, it is evasive and difficult. It
is
one of the skillful methods of tantra to work first with the physical
energies of the body, for there the mind will follow.... But generally
one
practices both, often in conjunction, and since the goal is the same
they
are mutually supportive."
Kurt comments: What I believe Sarah is getting at is the alternative of
controlling the wind through controlling th e mind vs. controlling the
mind by controlling the wind. Many teach the culmination of calm abiding
is in the wind entering the central channel but an alternative is to
direct the wind into the central channel and then the mind naturally
calms. For tantric Buddhists the winds entering the central channel is
itself only a precursor to the melting of the red and white bodhicitta -
which occurs when the winds first enter the central channel and
penetrate the knots at the navel and the crown respectively.
May all sentient beings find comfort and joy!
Kurt
Date: Sat, 3 Jan 1998 00:26:53 -0600
From: Ann Morrison Fisher <annfisherATnospamstic.net>
To: kundalini-lATnospamlists.execpc.com
Subject: Re: Science/Kundalini ( Long )
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Daniel James Giszczak <danjgATnospamengin.umich.edu> wrote:
>> I found Itzhak Bentov's paper on K-awakening to be a perfectly
> Where again may I find this paper?
It's printed as an appendix in Sannella's "Kundalini Experience." Would you
like me to scan it and send it to you?
Date: Sat, 03 Jan 1998 02:55:46 -0800
From: Harsh Luthar <hlutharATnospamkeynes.bryant.edu>
To: "keutzerATnospameecs.berkeley.edu" <keutzerATnospameecs.berkeley.edu>
Cc: "lodpressATnospamintercomm.com" <lodpressATnospamintercomm.com>,
Gene Kieffer <gkiefferATnospamnetaxis.com>,
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Subject: Re: Kundalini as incidental (was RE: Genius)
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Kurt Keutzer wrote:
>
> Harsha says:
>
> One thing caught my eye and so I will not resist (The Shakti makes me do
> it!). Gene said that the Self is a vague destination or a concept. I say
> it is the clearest and the only destination for the Kundalini Shakti.
> Further I add that all the transcendental and transformational events
> associated with the Kundalini Power are incidental and not essential to
> Self-Realization.
>
Kurt responded: So why do you subscribe to a listsever devoted to a
topic that is `` incidental and not essential to
> Self-Realization''?
Kurt,
Your title (Subject), "Kundalini as Incidental" misrepresents what I
actually said. My saying that various manifestations of Kundalini Shakti
and events associated with such manifestations are incidental to
Realization is not the same as saying that Kundalini Shakti it self is
incidental to Realization. Perhaps this is a subtle point. On the path
of Kundalini Yoga, the arousal of Kundalini Shakti and merging it with
ITs Source leads to Nirvikalpa Samadhi which leads to Self-Realization.
But as I have said before there are other paths where the direct arousal
of the Kundalini is not an antecedent to Realization. What is it exactly
that remains unclear for you? And if something is not clear to you, is
that a sufficient criterion to question whether someone should remain
subscribed to the list or not! It is better to reflect within and gain
the clarity you seek.
Harsha
Date: Sat, 3 Jan 1998 02:54:53 -0600
From: Ann Morrison Fisher <annfisherATnospamstic.net>
To: kundalini-lATnospamlists.execpc.com
Subject: Re: wind and kundalini
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Kurt Keutzer <keutzerATnospamEECS.Berkeley.EDU> wrote:
>Ann Fisher says:
>>From Sarah Harding's introduction to "Creation and Completion" [read
>"kundalini" for "wind"]:
>
>Kurt says:
>
>I would however disagree with your comment `` [read
>"kundalini" for "wind"]''. It's a big debate as to whether kundalini and
>wind (skt. prana or sometimes vayu, Tibetan: rlung) are the same thing.
>I personally don't think they are.
Recently I attended a lecture series given by a visiting lama, a Rinpoche,
on the subject of Jamgon Kongtrul's book. In the book there's a reference
to "the 10 winds," so I asked Rinpoche, "What are the 10 winds?" He named
a few and said that refers to the prana (forget his exact words but this
was the gist) that is associated with or runs the various systems of the
physical body. I believe he said (or I read) that these winds are in the
two channels known as ida and pingala. So I said, "Well, I've been reading
about kundalini and I'm trying to understand how to refer to it in Buddhist
terms." I didn't get a real clear answer, which could have been because he
was speaking in Tibetan and using a translator. But he said something to
the effect that that's another wind. I was left with the impression that
"wind" is prana in general, and kundalini is a subset or a kind of wind.
The quotation in question talks about the wind entering the central channel
(sushumna). This can't be the force of digestion etc., it must be
kundalini.
Another example of the use of the word - from the same book:
"The profound essential points for wisdom to arise naturally are these:
"Since the vital winds of duality are naturally pure,
"effortlessly hold the intermediate wind.
[Footnote: "bar gyi rlung: there are many forms of breathing
exercises involved in completion stage yogas; holding the intermediate
vital wind involves 'joining' the lower and upper winds in the middle."]
"Since whatever appears is the door to the arising of wisdom,
"open the great crystal kati channel to the sky.
[Footnote: "ka ti: another term for the central channel. These
'three essential instructions' are mentioned basically in passing, and
refer the practitioner to a whole set of detailed esoteric instructions
that would be out of place here."]
"Since whatever arises is liberated without focussing on it,
"focus on the letter HUNG as the essence of one's mind.
"If you possess these three special essential points,
"you will easily arrive at the primordial place of the victorious ones."
>The concept in tantric Buddhism that
>comes closest to kundalini is ``the fierce woman'' gTummo (Skt:
>candali). Tummo is the fierce red energy at the navel. But a while back
>a fellow named ``Mr. Namaste'' questioned that equivalence and on
>reflection I have to agree with him. gTummo is most likely equivalent to
>the Surya (sun) at the navel mentioned in some yoga texts. Awakening
>Surya always wakens kundalini. So the two are very related.
I know nothing about Tibetan yet, but tummo or tum mo is translated here as
"Mystic Heat." It's the name of the yoga in which one learns to produce
enough heat in the body to live comfortably in a cotton robe in the high
Himalayas. Evans-Wentz in his "Tibetan Yoga and Secret Doctrines" uses the
same term, tummo, for the yoga of heat.
I get the impression that there's a lot of esoteric knowledge that isn't
readily discussed with laymen. The book says very little about the
extraordinary practices - heat yoga, dream yoga, etc., - and Rinpoche
barely mentioned them, except in response to a few questions.
This might interest you: at one point there were some questions on the
nature of the "real world" i.e., whether and in what sense the tree outside
the window really exists. I asked, "Is it true that a man who is
proficient in Dream Yoga can treat the 'real world' like a dream and make
things happen - like make the tree disappear?" Rinpoche's answer: "I have
no personal experience of it, but they say so."
Ann
Date: Sat, 3 Jan 1998 20:42:47 +0800
From: Khor Chu Cheng <cestechATnospamtm.net.my>
To: kundalini-lATnospamlists.execpc.com
Subject: Re: Kundalini Yoga
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Hello,
Since Kundalini meditation involves vigorous deep breathing for about 30
minutes, is it PHYSICALLY safe to do it daily? or even more than once a day?
Is it possible for vigorous deep breathing to damage the lungs or throat if
done often?
Thank you.
Best regards,
khor
Date: Sat, 3 Jan 1998 16:00:23 +0000
From: fransATnospamdegas.telebyte.nl
To: kundalini-lATnospamlists.execpc.com
Subject: pictures
Message-Id: <199801031457.PAA22428ATnospamdegas.telebyte.nl>
Hello everybody, happy new year!, and in '98 i would want to see some
more faces of k-listmembers at:
http://www.telebyte.nl/~frans/we/
Send me a picture, or give me an url (if you have one on the web)
Paper pictures:
Frans Storms
Priemstraat 1
6511 WC Nijmegen
The Netherlands
Date: Sat, 3 Jan 1998 16:00:27 +0000
From: fransATnospamdegas.telebyte.nl
To: kundalini-lATnospamlists.execpc.com
Subject: Re: genius (yes me too, long)
Message-Id: <199801031457.PAA22433ATnospamdegas.telebyte.nl>
Hello everybody, i would like to add some personal things to the
genius thread. Yes, ofcourse, me too, scored high on tests,
especially math. I would start to tremble/sweat all over my body when
there was a problem i couldn't solve within a second. Never had to
learn in school or university. But i also never had the urge to use
my brains, i guess a real genius does... i always felt 'blue' deep
down in me those times, kind of imprisoned, autistic, (no social
problems on the surface, except with girls ofcourse)
At 15 heard about Socrates from my greek teacher and i knew i was
going to study philosophy. Reading Kant and Hegel was the only
chalenge i ever had, (and i had grown very lazy, spoilt). One day i
knew what they were trying to say, and it was not very much in my
opinion, so i left university. Went boozing, dancing, dating.
Another type of learning: living! Never felt guilty about humanity
missing a talent though a lot of people (read father/family) preached
my head off about it! That's long ago now, and i am pretty sure i
wouldn't score high on a test nowadays. And i wonder, what about the
girl in my village that was even more bright than me, she never went
to study! For me kundalini and genius have nothing to do
with each other, in my experience real intelligence ( spirituality,
Osho) and genius (science, Einstein) are two totally different
things, might even say mostly opposing things.
Ofcourse there's nothing wrong with a being a genius! when you want
to be one. And i don't mind Gopi K talking about it, don't love him
less because of it, (i hope this doesn't sound too brute, Gene) but i
don't take his genius/biological/science stuff serious at all, it
seems so far away from what I think/feel/suspect/know/guess what
kundalini is about, frans
Date: Sat, 03 Jan 1998 10:35:24 -0800
From: Harsh Luthar <hlutharATnospamkeynes.bryant.edu>
To: fransATnospamdegas.telebyte.nl
Cc: kundalini-lATnospamlists.execpc.com
Subject: Re: genius (yes me too, long)
Message-Id: <34AE84EC.1866ATnospamkeynes.bryant.edu>
I find myself in agreement with Frans. Gopi Krishna's emphasis on
Kundalini as a biological evolutionary force is a very limited view of
the great Shakti. The Shakti is the fundamental Spiritual Force which
has physical, mental and psychic manifestations. These manifestations
cannot indicate or capture the depth of this Great Power which is only
realized when the Shakti completes its Journey and the Self is
Recognized. Yes, the Shakti is Maha Sarswati, the Goddess of Wisdom. She
makes one a poet, a scholar, and an orator. She is the bestower of High
Intelligence. She is the teacher in the subtle psychic realms. But the
Shakti is more than that. She is the Primal Absolute and Overwhelming
Beauty, all prevasive, call her what you want. Call her the Holy Spirit,
Call her the Goddess of Love, Call her Maheswari, Maha Lakshami, Maha
Kali, Tripura Sundari. What difference can a name make. She has far more
to bestow than mere "Genius." She Reveals God Consciousness at the
Center of Being. She makes one a devotee of the Great Lord of Life who
sits eternally in the Heart and is the Heart.
Harsha
fransATnospamdegas.telebyte.nl wrote:
>
> Hello everybody, i would like to add some personal things to the
> genius thread. Yes, ofcourse, me too, scored high on tests,
> especially math. I would start to tremble/sweat all over my body when
> there was a problem i couldn't solve within a second. Never had to
> learn in school or university. But i also never had the urge to use
> my brains, i guess a real genius does... i always felt 'blue' deep
> down in me those times, kind of imprisoned, autistic, (no social
> problems on the surface, except with girls ofcourse)
> At 15 heard about Socrates from my greek teacher and i knew i was
> going to study philosophy. Reading Kant and Hegel was the only
> chalenge i ever had, (and i had grown very lazy, spoilt). One day i
> knew what they were trying to say, and it was not very much in my
> opinion, so i left university. Went boozing, dancing, dating.
> Another type of learning: living! Never felt guilty about humanity
> missing a talent though a lot of people (read father/family) preached
> my head off about it! That's long ago now, and i am pretty sure i
> wouldn't score high on a test nowadays. And i wonder, what about the
> girl in my village that was even more bright than me, she never went
> to study! For me kundalini and genius have nothing to do
> with each other, in my experience real intelligence ( spirituality,
> Osho) and genius (science, Einstein) are two totally different
> things, might even say mostly opposing things.
> Ofcourse there's nothing wrong with a being a genius! when you want
> to be one. And i don't mind Gopi K talking about it, don't love him
> less because of it, (i hope this doesn't sound too brute, Gene) but i
> don't take his genius/biological/science stuff serious at all, it
> seems so far away from what I think/feel/suspect/know/guess what
> kundalini is about, frans
Date: Sat, 3 Jan 1998 10:52:21 -0500 (EST)
From: Gene Kieffer <gkiefferATnospamnetaxis.com>
To: hlutharATnospamkeynes.bryant.edu
Cc: keutzerATnospameecs.berkeley.edu, lodpressATnospamintercomm.com,
heartzenATnospamlistserv.servtech.com, kundalini-lATnospamexecpc.com,
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Subject: Other Paths?
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Kurt wrote:
>But as I have said before there are other paths where the direct arousal
>of the Kundalini is not an antecedent to Realization.
++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++=
I don't quite understand what is meant here by "other paths." Regardless
of whatever "path" one chooses to follow, or whether one chooses not to
follow any path, if that person achieves Enlightenment or Self-Realization,
or Cosmic Consciousness, he or she must have awakened Kundalini.
Gene
Date: Sat, 3 Jan 1998 11:51:27 EST
From: Soulseeks <SoulseeksATnospamaol.com>
To: shawebbATnospamyhc.edu, kundalini-lATnospamexecpc.com
Subject: Re: circulate
Message-ID: <f80de80d.34ae6c92ATnospamaol.com>
Below is the address one of my friends came across concerning the issue of per
minute charges. Hope this is helpful.
Be well,
Rebecca
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The FCC urban legend has been circulating for some time
RUMORS REGARDING A COMPUTER MODEM SURCHARGE
The FCC has received letters from a number of computer modem users expressing
concern about an alleged "proposal" before the Federal Communications
Commission (FCC) that would result in a surcharge for the use of computer
modems
on the telephone network.
There is _no_ proposal pending before the FCC that would result in the
application of a surcharge for the use of computer modems on the telephone
network.
The FCC has been informed that various computer bulletin board systems are
encouraging computer modem users to write to the FCC and to their
congressional
representatives to oppose this alleged proposal. The FCC's Common Carrier
Bureau (Bureau) staff has contacted several bulletin board systems and
requested
those systems to advise their users that there is no proposal before the FCC
at
this time regarding a computer modem surcharge. Bureau staff is continuing to
investigate possible sources of the surcharge rumors and to distribute correct
information to computer modem users.
DISCLAIMER!
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