1998/01/02 19:05
kundalini-l-d Digest V98 #1
kundalini-l-d Digest Volume 98 : Issue 1
Today's Topics: Re: Science/Kundalini ( Long ) [ Daniel James Giszczak ]
Re: Science/Kundalini [ Tantrika ] Re: A Modest (email) Proposal (NOT A [ tgxxxATnospamjuno.com (tg langston) ]
Re: tingling sensations [ Ann Morrison Fisher ] Re: Science/Kundalini [ "Joseph Miller" ]
Re:Intelligence,genius,Kundalini/Sci [ "Rick Puravs" ] Date: Thu, 1 Jan 1998 19:28:55 -0500 (EST)
From: Daniel James Giszczak To: Jack
cc: kundalini-lATnospamexecpc.com Subject: Re: Science/Kundalini ( Long )
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> I found Itzhak Bentov's paper on K-awakening to be a perfectly
Where again may I find this paper?
> Being a life long skeptic I find it ironic to be on the other end of Man after my own heart. Before awakening, I was the most logical,
scientific mind I knew.
> things. I hold that my telepathic experiences are real, tangible and > in some cases validated. I also find myself trying to poke holes in
> this theory. Am I kidding myself ? You are learning a new skill. I can sing with a song the first
time I hear it. Your heart is learning to sing with the heart of another (empathy). Your [subtle] throat is also learning to vibrate with
another's (telepathy). Realize that you will not sing perfectly every day. Notice that some peoples' songs are easier to sing with than
others'. Practice makes perfect. When you hear sound, you can be certain of what you hear. When
you were a child, you did not understand. Everyone who awakens is a child once again. This time the child listens for the subtle throat. At first,
he will not be confident. He will learn with time.
> Now, I try to follow a simple rule when looking into these matters, I > ask myself, " Is this your idea, or someone elses. What does your
> common sense and intuition say to you about this ? " Good rule.
Have fun Jack.
Dan Date: Fri, 02 Jan 1998 02:15:18 GMT
From: sassiATnospamworldnet.att.net (Jack) To: kundalini-lATnospamexecpc.com
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I found Itzhak Bentov's paper on K-awakening to be a perfectly Where again may I find this paper?
Try The Kundalini Experience by Lee Sannella M.D. it is reprinted
there.
You are learning a new skill. I can sing with a song the first time I hear it. Your heart is learning to sing with the heart
of another (empathy). Your [subtle] throat is also learning to vibrate with another's (telepathy). Realize that you will not sing
perfectly every day. Notice that some peoples' songs are easier to sing with than others'. Practice makes perfect.
Agreed. Just wish it didn't have to be Country & Western. : )>
Jack
Date: Thu, 01 Jan 1998 18:31:42 -0800 From: Tantrika
To: lodpressATnospamintercomm.com, CGI AJW Cc: kundalini-lATnospamexecpc.com
Subject: Re: A Modest (email) Proposal Message-Id:
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Just for your info, you should be aware the AOL gets paid a lot of money by allowing companies to spam. For instance Barnes and Nobles pays something
like $300,000 a message or something outrageous like that. I think that perhaps you should look into another provider if you want to escape spam.
At 03:31 PM 1/1/98 +0100, Gloria Greco wrote:
>CGI AJW wrote: >> rom someone off the K list. (whew, that was a mouthfull!)
>> >> Maybe I need a class on AOL setup 101, or a class on mail list folders,
but I >> need some help fast! I've just gotten a new job ( :) ), and the time I can
>> spend is far less, I need a faster way to tell what's important that I need to
>> read, verses what I'd like to read if I've got the time, verses junk that I'd
>> rather toss without reading. >>
>> Aaron, I think those people on AOL get a lot of junk mail, I don't get hardly any since I'm on a separate provider, but my friends with AOL do
have that problem. Check in and see if there is someway you can block it. Other wise learn to scan and delete fast. Happy New Year! Gloria
>-- >
>Enter The Silence to Know God ... and... accept life as the teacher. >Gloria Joy Greco
> e-mail me at : lodpressATnospamintercomm.com and visit our homepages at: >http://users.intercomm.com/larryn/
>& >http://www.freeyellow.com/members/zg888/
>Hope you enjoy them! >
> >
Date: Thu, 01 Jan 1998 18:31:39 -0800 From: Tantrika
To: sassiATnospamworldnet.att.net (Jack), kundalini-lATnospamexecpc.com Subject: Re: Science/Kundalini
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Ummm....it's hard to see who is saying what here?
At 02:15 AM 1/2/98 GMT, Jack wrote:
> I found Itzhak Bentov's paper on K-awakening to be a perfectly > Where again may I find this paper?
> >Try The Kundalini Experience by Lee Sannella M.D. it is reprinted
>there. >
> You are learning a new skill. I can sing with a song the >first time I hear it. Your heart is learning to sing with the heart
>of another (empathy). Your [subtle] throat is also learning to >vibrate with another's (telepathy). Realize that you will not sing
>perfectly every day. Notice that some peoples' songs are easier to >sing with than others'. Practice makes perfect.
> >Agreed. Just wish it didn't have to be Country & Western. : )>
> >Jack
> >
> Date: Fri, 2 Jan 1998 00:03:09 -0500
From: tgxxxATnospamjuno.com (tg langston) To: CGIAJWATnospamaol.com
Cc: kundalini-lATnospamexecpc.com Subject: Re: A Modest (email) Proposal (NOT ABOUT K)
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(THIS WILL ONLY INTEREST AOL USERS)
Go to KEYWORD: Marketing Preferences
and fill out the thing where aol doesn't give your name out anymore to any of the companies. that might cut it down some.... I've just
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- makes it sooo much simpler.
Plus, they have just come out with the new AOL4.0 (not quite ready to download free for everyone yet) (keyword aol4.0) -- it gives you the
ability to change screen names without having to hang up and dial again.
Or, one more suggestion - you can subscribe to the digest.... which i'm sure you've thought of.
And if you haven't tried AOL Talk yet, it is fantastic! Just go to
keyword AOLTALK and download it for free - its where you send & receive IM's, but you are able to talk to them (FREE) if you want. It uses up
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Good Luck!
Love,
xxxtg
http://members.aol.com/Teeegeee/tgsplace.html To: kundalini-lATnospamlists.execpc.com
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Marcus Pugh misty02ATnospamglobalnet.co.uk writes:
>....I don't know much about kundalini and wish to slow the whole process >down.I am only eighteen and don't know anything about chakrawork or
>meditation or the other things you talk about and would be grateful for >any advice anyone can give me.
Dr. Leo Sannella writes:
"The kundalini force arises spontaneously from deep within the body-mind, and is apparently self-directing. Tension and imbalance thus
result not from the process itself but from conscious or subconscious interference with it. Helping a person to understand and accept what is
happening to him or her may be the best we can do. Usually the process, when left alone, will find its own natural pace and balance. However, if
it has already become too rapid or violent, my experience suggests that its course can be moderated by introducing a heavier diet and vigorous exercise
and by suspending meditation."
Ann Date: Fri, 2 Jan 1998 03:11:19 -0600
From: Ann Morrison Fisher To: kundalini-lATnospamlists.execpc.com
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Gene Kieffer wrote:
>> So Kundalini will be activated one way or the other, when the person >>is predisposed to it. Of course, hereditary factors are a major
>>consideration, >*********
> >Really ! This is the first I heard of this. What hereditary factors affect
>Kundalini activation ? >*
>Drew >
>Dear Drew, >.... Chances are it will be
>seen that somewhere, either the parents, grandparents, an aunt, uncle, >or sibling, will have been highly talented, deeply religious, eccentric,
>schizophrenic, manic-depressive, etc. In other words, just as hair color, >physical stature, mental abilities, etc., more or less run in the family,
>so too does ones predisposition towards compassion, love, honesty, >integrity, etc. In short, Kundalini.
I don't understand how being "highly talented, ... eccentric,
schizophrenic, manic-depressive, etc." correlates with a "predisposition towards compassion, love, honesty, integrity, etc."
Ann
Date: Fri, 2 Jan 1998 02:31:09 -0600 From: Ann Morrison Fisher
To: kundalini-lATnospamlists.execpc.com Subject: Re: Tantra (formerly How?)
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Gene Kieffer wrote:
> And we need to keep in mind that Tantra encompasses a great deal more than
>sex. It is an entire way of life and way of looking at life.
Yes indeed. In the Tibetan Buddhist tradition all teachings and practices are classified as Sutra or Tantra, which are, roughly, exoteric and
esoteric. The writing of the first sort are called sutras, and the practices are summarized as:
Doing no unvirtuous deed whatsoever,
Engaging in prolific virtuous activity, Completely controlling one's own mind
This is the teaching of the Buddha. - Jamgon Kongtrul in "Creation and Completion"
The second category is Mantra or Tantra, but it is said to be useless to
practice this without the ethical foundation and mental control learned through Sutra.
Tantra includes the creation stage of learning/sharpening visualization
techniques in meditations on mandalas and deities, creating a world; and completion stage, in which one dissolves what he has created and and learns
to rest in pure awareness. Completion stage also includes or is associated with a group of extraordinary yogas employing kundalini, such as Mystic
Heat (the test involves sitting outside in the high mountains in winter and drying out three times with one's own heat a cloth dipped in ice-cold water
and laid over one's shoulders), Ejection of Consciousness, Dream Yoga, and "techniques practiced with a partner to develop and deploy the sexual
energy."
Those who pursue Tantra seriously often make the three-year retreat (nowadays it is possible to do it one year at a time, returning to one's
job between years) in a monastery where the creation and completion stages, including the extraordinary practices, are taught and monitored. At some
point a partner may be provided.
Ann Date: Fri, 2 Jan 1998 02:55:47 -0600
From: Ann Morrison Fisher To: kundalini-lATnospamlists.execpc.com
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Kurt Keutzer wrote:
>>From: John Lounsberry >
>> To share a few things that I have found to be true. >> We have 7 primary Chakras only 4 we can influence.
>> The above three are influenced by Grace. We may meditate on >>divine images,
>>contemplate the beauty of God in the universe, but these chakras are >>influenced by the
>>Holy Spirit and entered from above.
(Kurt) >....In my limited experience the three higher chakras are certainly open to
>the cooling compassionate grace from above but may also be transformed by >the rising kundalini from below. ... ultimately these two energies meet
>and it is in their union >that dualities are transcended.
> (John)
>> I believe it is possible to force a premature awakening. By >>forcing kundalini into the
>>brain without Grace we run the risk of many undesirable side effects. >> Patience with divine meditation for guidance may be a more
>>natural method to take. >>Live a life of service and one day grace will happen and the Holy Spirit
>>will enter >>through the crown and meeting the heart allowing the divinely prepared
>>brain to receive >>the kundalini.
> Kurt
>That is certainly one path. It is advocated by many teachers but there >are others who prefer the path of kundalini yoga, in its various forms.
> >From Sarah Harding's introduction to "Creation and Completion" [read
"kundalini" for "wind"]: "According to the teachings of Vajrayana [Tantra], there is an
intimate relationship between the mind and the movements of vital energy or "wind" in the body. It is said that the mind rides the wind, or that mind
and wind are inseparable. This can be noticed when calm abiding is stabilized. When the ultimate realization of true nature takes place, what
happens on the psycho-physical level is that the wind enters the central channel (dbu ma, Skt. avadhuti), the main artery of movement of energy in
the body. On the other hand, a practitioner may choose to work at it from the other side. That is, to cultivate these energies purposefully and
cause the wind to enter the central channel through various physical tehniques, spontaneously bringing about realization.
"The first approach is termed the Path of Liberation ('grol lam) and the second the Path of Method (thabs lam). The first is the direct
approach of recognizing mind nature,... Although it may seem more direct and, to some people, more attractive, it is evasive and difficult. It is
one of the skillful methods of tantra to work first with the physical energies of the body, for there the mind will follow.... But generally one
practices both, often in conjunction, and since the goal is the same they are mutually supportive."
Ann
Date: Fri, 2 Jan 1998 09:31:51 -0500 From: "Sharon Webb"
To: Subject: Re: Heredity
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Gene,
You claim that Kundalini is influenced by heredity. Then you said: >.... Chances are it will be
>seen that somewhere, either the parents, grandparents, an aunt, uncle, >or sibling, will have been highly talented, deeply religious, eccentric,
>schizophrenic, manic-depressive, etc.
That statement would seem to apply to nearly everyone on earth.
Sharon shawebbATnospamyhc.edu
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From: "Joseph Miller" To: kundalini-lATnospamlists.execpc.com
Cc: danjgATnospamengin.umich.edu Subject: Re: Science/Kundalini
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Replying to:
>Would anyone disagree with the statement that *knowing* does not >easily translate into mathematical symbols since it is a matter of
>the heart, .....
Well Dan no comment on the first part about math but I will certainly disagree with the statement that "knowing" is a matter of the heart!
Knowing is something I've been doing since before I can remember. It was
not always the same; sometimes it was "knowing" what would happen next, sometimes it was knowing what I was supposed to do (even if it wasn't
what my heart or my head said or wanted to do), sometimes it has been knowing about the greater truths as well as these more trivial things.
Knowing is intuition. Intuition is not a heart issue. Because we
(Americans are the worst but any modern people would qualify) have little or no respect for language we speak of knowing something as
"feeling" it. We, for some odd reason, think all feelings are ruled by the heart. (I've still to resolve and accept hate, greed, and envy as
heart issues, especially some of mine [I HATE spiders!].) Intuition is a closer gateway to the "other world" than either feelings or learning (as
in book-learning).
Namaste,
Joe
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Date: Fri, 02 Jan 1998 10:06:32 -0800 From: iri
To: kundalini-lATnospamlists.execpc.com Subject: Re: kundalini-l-d Digest V97 #875
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CGIAJWATnospamaol.com wrote:
Maybe I need a class on AOL setup 101 -----------SNIP-------------
I need a faster way to tell what's important that I need to read, verses what I'd like to read if I've got the time, verses junk that I'd
rather toss without reading.
AOL probably has a mail filter in its programming. Check AOL for the filter then follow the directions to add the domain name and/or user id to your
filter list. That should help you eliminate most of the junk e-mail from coming to you a second time, provided of course the junk mailers don't keep
changing user id or domain name. Otherwise, you will just have to keep updating your e-mmail filter.
---------------------------------------------------------------- Date: Fri, 2 Jan 1998 13:08:47 -0500
From: "Rick Puravs" To:
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http://delphi.maths.qmw.ac.uk/~femi/sld11.html
an interesting website i found while doing a search today sort of hits on all the above topics (and it's long)
Happy New Year !!!
Rick Date: Fri, 2 Jan 1998 13:14:46 -0400
From: turtleATnospamici.net (Turtle Woman) To: kundalini-lATnospamlists.execpc.com
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>Date: Wednesday, December 31, 1997 20:52:30 >: From: Owlie1
>: Subject: per minute internet charges >:
>: >: :) Hi :
>: >: Thought you might be interested in the following:
>: >:
>: Subject: Internet, FCC >:
>: I am writing you this to inform you of a very important matter curre= >ntly
>: under review by the FCC. Your local telephone company has filed a propo= >sal
>: with the FCC to impose per minute charges for your internet service. = >They
>: contend that your usage has or will hinder the operation of the telepho= >ne
>: network. It is believed that internet usage will diminish if users wer= >e
>: required to pay additional per minute charges. >:
>: The FCC has created an email box for your comments, responses must = >be
>: received by February 13, 1998. It is important that you send your com= >ments
>: to ispATnospamfcc.gov >:
>: Tell them what you think. Every phone company is in on this one, and= > they
>: are trying to sneak it in just under the wire for litiagation. Let ever= >yone
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>: >: ispATnospamfcc.gov :
>:
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Date: Fri, 2 Jan 1998 15:26:11 -0500 From: "Sharon Webb"
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Hi,
Below is a copy of my letter to the FCC regarding per minute phone charges.
-------------------------- RE: telephone company proposal with the FCC to impose per minute charges for internet service in which they contend that usage has or will hinder the operation of the telephone network. It is believed that internet usage will diminish if users were
required to pay additional per minute charges.
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The telephone companies of this country have both hands in our pockets. They are charging for dedicated internet telephone lines, and most have entered the internet service provider business, in competition with private vendors, for which they also receive monthly fees. Further, they receive additional fees for leasing their lines to private internet service providers. Now they are trying to impose an arbitrary per minute usage fee which they do not charge for voice telephone service.
This is a transparent attempt to line their pockets at citizens' expense. Except during file downloads, the drain on telephone lines is much less per minute than it is when used for voice transmission. The telephone companies are well aware that their claims are unfounded, yet they are using our money to lobby interests in Washington to further their ends.
Please turn down this unconscionable proposal.
Sharon
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