1997/12/24 02:25
kundalini-l-d Digest V97 #858
kundalini-l-d Digest Volume 97 : Issue 858
Today's Topics:
[Fwd: Urdhava-retas] [ Gloria Greco <lodpressATnospamintercomm.co ]
Re: Urdhvaretas,New Age, Gopi Krishn [ Tantrika <hummer13ATnospamearthlink.net> ]
Re: kundalini-l-d Digest V97 #857 [ "Debora A. Orf" <dorf01ATnospammail.win.or ]
Re: kundalini-l-d Digest V97 #856 [ iri <iriATnospamivyrealty.com> ]
Spinal Tap? [ Tantrika <hummer13ATnospamearthlink.net> ]
Re: Female Urddhvaretas [ Ruth Trimble <trimbleATnospamhawaii.edu> ]
Re: Urdhvaretas,New Age, Gopi Krishn [ Tantrika <hummer13ATnospamearthlink.net> ]
Re: Genius [ Harsh Luthar <hlutharATnospamkeynes.bryant ]
Re: Mantras [ Harsh Luthar <hlutharATnospamkeynes.bryant ]
Re: Genius [ Tantrika <hummer13ATnospamearthlink.net> ]
Parable [ Richard Wentk <richardATnospamskydancer.co ]
Re: the Word of Dieter [ "F. Drew " <leydaATnospamvalunet.com> ]
Re: Witches Brew [ Blythe <merlinATnospampnn.com> ]
Re: Female Urddhvaretas [ LilEli <LilEliATnospamaol.com> ]
Re: Urdhava-retas [ SchrLL <SchrLLATnospamaol.com> ]
Re: Female Urddhvaretas [ sassiATnospamworldnet.att.net (Jack) ]
Re: Urdhava-retas [ SchrLL <SchrLLATnospamaol.com> ]
Date: Tue, 23 Dec 1997 12:35:48 +0100
From: Gloria Greco <lodpressATnospamintercomm.com>
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Some of you are interested in this I know, if not just delete it. Gloria
--
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Gloria Joy Greco
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Dear Kurt,
Regarding your very much appreciated comments on Urdhava-retas, and
also those of Anandajyoti, you have both helped a lot to clarify the
issues raised over the past two days.
I think we can all agree now that the phenomenon and knowledge of it
was widely known in India for thousands of years and that certainly the
denizens of the Indus Valley, I mean the adepts, were well-schooled in
this knowledge also.
Kundalini, or to use the phrase, the Serpent Power, was also well
known to the Alchemists and to students of the Kabbalah in the West.
In 1988, I gave a paper at the Academy of Religion and Psychic
Research, entitled "Soma and the Shifting Paradigm," in which I tried
to present a good amount of this information. A day earlier, I
read a paper at the Conference of Spiritual Frontiers, entitled
"The Evolution of Joseph Campbell." In this paper, I showed how
Dr. Campbell had discovered hard evidence that Kundalini was known
and practiced in virtually every corner of the globe. I had only one
quarrel with Dr. Campbell, and it had to do with politics.
The politics of the 1970s and 1980s was, simply put, to never
present Kundalini as a verifiable phenomenon. Joseph Campbell went
along with this for whatever reasons, but I suspect it was just
the pressure of New Age leaders who were reluctant to give any
credence to Kundalini beyond agreeing that "it was just another
system," another way of visualizing, etc. In other words, if they
would have agreed that Kundalini was a verifiable phenomenon, it
would have meant that there was really something to it beyond just
the use of one's imagination and a lot of esoteric symbolism.
But I read everything Dr. Campbell had written, and he definitely
pointed to the fact that Kundalini involved physiological changes
and was not simply a subject experience.
About five years ago, I gave a paper at the Kundalini Research
Network Conference in Canada, entitled "Kundalini and the Judeo-
Christian Tradition," in which I attempted to show where the Serpent
Power is alluded to in the Old Testament as well as the new. All of
these papers drew upon discoveries and references published long ago.
None of what I wrote had to do with what I had "experienced" or what
came to me intuitively. Everything was footnoted. There was no original
contribution from me. I merely gathered up a lot of quotes from
previously published documents and books.
The point is that Kundalini, and Urdhava-retas, is the underlying
"secret" in all--ALL--occult or esoteric systems everywhere in the
world. If a man or woman is a really great healer, it is becauise
his/her Kundalini is active. Umberto Eco, in FOUCAULTS PENDULUM,
makes the same observation, i.e., that Kundalini is at the heart of
all esoteric disciplines. Kundalini is mentioned in passing in many
novels by writers such as Norman Mailer, John Updike, etc.
The writers who have studiously avoided mention of Kundalini are mostly
those who sell their books in the hundreds of thousands. For instance,
in THE CELESTINE PROPHECY, the plot involves the discovery of ancient
"wisdom" writings in Peru or somewhere in South America. Of course,
the book is a work of fiction. But what I am saying is that the race
has reached a stage in its evolution at which it is now time to
make widely known all that is known about Kundalini.
I have never said that Kundalini, or Urdhava-retas, is a great
secret. What I do say is that we know about it, but the great bulk of
humanity does not. They are learning very quickly about computers, etc.,
and about the material benefits of technology. But the Old Time Religions
are out there beating the bushes for converts all over the world, and
the Old Time Religions are no longer campatible with the demands of
evolution.
Our vocabulary--the vocabulary of New Age writers--needs to include
phrases such as "the demands of evolution." The healty evolution of
the race requires that science and religion be brought together. For
that, we do not need physicists endlessly talking about The Big Bang.
That isn't bringing anybody together.
So we are right back at square one, where science and technology have
blanketed the entire world, and yet the Old Time Religions are still in
place, as firmly entrenched as ever. This is causing a lopsided
development of the brain, which is extremely dangerous to our survival.
The highly intelligent scientist and scholar disdains the Old Time
Religions because he/she knows that much of what religion teaches as
history is in fact fable, legend and myth. If these same highly
intelligent scientists and scholars were to know about Kundalini,
divested of its ancient garb, they would accept it and probably
incorporate it into their thinking.
That is one reason why scientific validation of Kundalini would be of
great benefit to mankind. The ordinary person looks to educators, etc.,
for guidance. If Kundalini were scientifically verified, most educators
would accept it. I am not saying that this can be achieved over night.
But I am saying that it can be accomplished in the 21st Century.
We cannot expect those who have not "experienced" Kundalini to take
leadership roles in this tranformation of society. Leadership must come
from the ranks of those who have been transformed by Kundalini.
So long as the Kundalini movement is guru-driven, there will probably
be no movement of any great significance--not unless the gurus
themselves are transformed and see the implications for world peace, etc.
An Enlightened being can see into the future and with that vision can
be in a position to guide the race to safety. That is the primary
reason why wide-spread knowledge of Kundalini is essential for the
survival of the race.
All the best for the Holidays,
Gene
Date: Tue, 23 Dec 1997 12:57:58 -0800
From: Tantrika <hummer13ATnospamearthlink.net>
To: <kundalini-lATnospamexecpc.com>
Subject: Re: Urdhvaretas,New Age, Gopi Krishna etc.
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So, when my lover and I saw this around each other (which we both very
clearly did, and it stayed glowing around us for awhile, we could feel as
well as see it) and we decided to play with it and change the colors, what
would a Yogi say to that?
Date: Tue, 23 Dec 1997 15:00:23 -0600 (CST)
From: "Debora A. Orf" <dorf01ATnospammail.win.org>
To: kundalini-lATnospamlists.execpc.com
cc: kundalini-l-dATnospamlists.execpc.com
Subject: Re: kundalini-l-d Digest V97 #857
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<<Date: Tue, 23 Dec 97 20:03:39 +0100
From: lvdsATnospamstdin.gatelink.fr.net (Laurent Cas)
To: kundalini-lATnospamexecpc.com
Subject: Mantras
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Hello,
I read your message about self-realisation (which i completely agree),
you wrote:
- Namo amitabha>>
That one means "Noble Amida" referring to Amitabhul, the Buddha of
Boundless Light. Amitabhul's mantra is used in the pure land schools of
buddhism, some zen traditions, and some tibetan (i think).
<<- Om namo baghavate>>
Not sure there 'namo' again is 'noble' 'baghavate' sounds like maybe a
general reference to Bodhisattvas or Buddhas....i dont really know :) (but
i can sorta guess)
anyway, merry xmas! & happy new years.
--janpa
Date: Tue, 23 Dec 1997 13:39:10 -0800
From: iri <iriATnospamivyrealty.com>
To: kundalini-lATnospamlists.execpc.com
Subject: Re: kundalini-l-d Digest V97 #856
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I dont know about anybody else...but of all the items listed below, only the
first 2 topics came through. None of the other topics did.
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At 12:40 PM 23/12/97 -0600, you wrote:
>kundalini-l-d Digest Volume 97 : Issue 856
>
>Today's Topics:
> Re: Another Perspective [ Dieter Dambiec <d.dambiecATnospamstudent.c ]
> RE: for Codrin - various views [ Dieter Dambiec <d.dambiecATnospamstudent.c ]
> Re: Urdhvaretas,New Age, Gopi Krishn [ HJTA1342 <HJTA1342ATnospamaol.com> ]
> RE: Action/Reaction : Cause /Effect [ Dieter Dambiec <d.dambiecATnospamstudent.c ]
> RE: Deja Vu, a glimpse into the futu [ Dieter Dambiec <d.dambiecATnospamstudent.c ]
> RE: 48 hrs $ [ Dieter Dambiec <d.dambiecATnospamstudent.c ]
> Kriya [ "Paul McDonald, TeleReference LA, M ]
> RE: 48 hrs $ [ Mike Stickles <msticklesATnospamantalys.co ]
> I am not unkown trancfer my email. [ "Arco International" <arcoATnospamisb.comp ]
> Raymond's heart surgery [ iri <iriATnospamivyrealty.com> ]
> Re: Urdhava-retas [ Harsh Luthar <hlutharATnospamkeynes.bryant ]
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Date: Tue, 23 Dec 1997 13:57:51 -0800
From: Tantrika <hummer13ATnospamearthlink.net>
To: kundalini-lATnospamlists.execpc.com, hlutharATnospamkeynes.bryant.edu,
Gene Kieffer <gkiefferATnospamnetaxis.com>
Subject: Spinal Tap?
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Gene asked:
Do you or do you not think a spinal tap would prove that
> Urdhava-retas has altered the composition of the spinal fluid?
uh....the experience causes the spinal fluid to change? What is this
about??? that is of great interest...
(looks at her spinal fluid and wonders if it has changed....)
Date: Tue, 23 Dec 1997 12:13:19 -1000
From: Ruth Trimble <trimbleATnospamhawaii.edu>
To: Gloria Greco <lodpressATnospamintercomm.com>
cc: kundalini-lATnospamlists.execpc.com, heartzenATnospamlistserv.servtech.com
Subject: Re: Female Urddhvaretas
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Dear Gloria: Thanks for this insight. I loved it.
> Gloria
> Actually in females I would say that the release that one experiences
> during sex is manifested only it is the surrender and total openness to
> God which means a total letting go of need thought or desire and any
> identity to self.
But don't men feel this too.. or how could they have release? Isn't that
what the bliss is all about.. the surrender and letting go?
> upward movement in the female. In other words it is the total letting go
> and surrender into the male which takes Mother Kundalini from the female
> position to union with Shiva in the crown chakra. In all of this
> releasing of creative energy in the second chakra, it is releasing
> ojas into the blood stream, nerves, etc. as that reproductive cell which
> creates that silver stream of light to enter the brain to regenerate and
> create God Consciousness.
Interesting. I wonder how Angelique would characterise it. But I think
something you don't address in this is where does the ojas energy come
from.. from where does it arise?
Don says it is from the semen.. but I believe it is the subtle life
energy in the semen not the physical substance...so where
does the female source come from.. I say it is not the fluids of menses
for menses continues through this upward flow.. but just as the seeds of
the semen are full of life force (you can actually see the light in semen)
so this same life force or light would be what activates the egg to ripen
I think. I would not think it was the excretion of fluids in the female as
someone asked Muktananda this question and he said, "No, it is different
in females." Yet it is quite possible to not have a ripe egg and still
have regular cycles so it makes sense to me that itis in the preparation
of the egg to become a child that the energy is taken.. thus cutting off
the biological function and turning the energy upward to the higher
chakras. Just pondering this...
I am enjoying the discussion. There is much I hae not said on this that I
am keeping for my book, but it is so personal and delicate that I do not
want to put it on a public forum. I appreciate all the letters from those
who have shared with me their own experiences. Thanks. We are writing a
form of history here - Gene Kieffer would be happy - as I know little
written on this.
Gloria..your contributions to the list continue to amaze me. Your recent
information to Gene about the "genius" issue is exactly what I would have
liked to say to him. And I think again it confirms what Harsha says that
there is no scientific way to verify this.. and that the problem is not
with the Kundalini phenomena but with the scientists who are checking it
out... The very concepts and mental tools that they use to try to
understand K. make it impossible for them to see it.
It is experience ONLY... how many centuries has this been said to man and
yet good souls like Gene still labor to go against this wisdom. I just
watched the movie "Contact" with Jodie Foster and she had this very same
problem but from the other side.. and knew exactly why she could never
verify her experience of God...in the end. These writers understood the
problems...
Thanks, Ruth
******
Date: Tue, 23 Dec 1997 14:37:41 -0800
From: Tantrika <hummer13ATnospamearthlink.net>
To: lodpressATnospamintercomm.com, kundalini-lATnospamexecpc.com
Subject: Re: Urdhvaretas,New Age, Gopi Krishna etc.
Message-Id: <3.0.32.19971223143732.00878440ATnospamearthlink.net>
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I went to the website
http://www.spiritweb.org/Spirit/Yoga/yoga-sanskrit-terms.html
and they only have the following terminology:
urdhva-retus - a celibate
Is there a website that describes this in more detail? The kundalini site
doesn't seem to have anything that refers to it.
Date: Tue, 23 Dec 1997 17:33:32 -0800
From: Harsh Luthar <hlutharATnospamkeynes.bryant.edu>
To: lodpressATnospamintercomm.com
Cc: Gene Kieffer <gkiefferATnospamnetaxis.com>, heartzenATnospamlistserv.servtech.com,
kundalini-lATnospamexecpc.com, shalomATnospamcheerful.com
Subject: Re: Genius
Message-Id: <34A0666C.446CATnospamkeynes.bryant.edu>
One thing caught my eye and so I will not resist (The Shakti makes me do
it!). Gene said that the Self is a vague destination or a concept. I say
it is the clearest and the only destination for the Kundalini Shakti.
Further I add that all the transcendental and transformational events
associated with the Kundalini Power are incidental and not essential to
Self-Realization.
Harsha
Date: Tue, 23 Dec 1997 17:39:45 -0800
From: Harsh Luthar <hlutharATnospamkeynes.bryant.edu>
To: lvdsATnospamstdin.gatelink.fr.net
Cc: kundalini-lATnospamexecpc.com
Subject: Re: Mantras
Message-Id: <34A067E1.5B4EATnospamkeynes.bryant.edu>
Laurent Cas wrote:
>
> Hello,
>
> I read your message about self-realisation (which i completely agree),
> you wrote:
>
> > There are many paths and many different methods. For direct experience
> > of the Kundalini power, using Shakti mantras and focusing on the
> > appropriate centers is sufficient. However, Kundalini need not be
> > directly aroused for Self-Realization. For a person who has complete
> > devotion in his/her Heart for the Supereme Being, all methods are
> > superfluous.
>
> I am very curious about mantras, would tell me which are the Shakti
> mantras? and is there somewhere a disk i could buy so to learn the
> music song of them?
>
> For example as i don't speek indian i have always wonder what the following
> are meaning, perhaps may you help? here they are:
> - Namo amitabha
> - Om namo baghavate
>
> Thanks for your help.
>
> ps: please put me in email copy if you reply in the mailing list as
> i am late on reading and i wouldn't want to miss your message.
>
> Namaste',
> Laurent.
Dear Laurent, I am glad you liked the message. Namo means to bow down.
Mantras having Namo before them indicate that the practitioner is bowing
down to some divine form in order to emulate its qualities. Mantra
meditation is one way to arouse the divine power.
Harsha
Date: Tue, 23 Dec 1997 14:59:38 -0800
From: Tantrika <hummer13ATnospamearthlink.net>
To: hlutharATnospamkeynes.bryant.edu, lodpressATnospamintercomm.com
Cc: Gene Kieffer <gkiefferATnospamnetaxis.com>, heartzenATnospamlistserv.servtech.com,
kundalini-lATnospamexecpc.com, shalomATnospamcheerful.com
Subject: Re: Genius
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At 05:33 PM 12/23/97 -0800, Harsh Luthar wrote:
>One thing caught my eye and so I will not resist (The Shakti makes me do
>it!). Gene said that the Self is a vague destination or a concept. I say
>it is the clearest and the only destination for the Kundalini Shakti.
>Further I add that all the transcendental and transformational events
>associated with the Kundalini Power are incidental and not essential to
>Self-Realization.
Correct me if I'm wrong, are you implying that there is just coincidence
here? I would think that the shakti IS self-realization of the inner
Divinity in a large way so transformational and transcendental experience
are part and parcel to this process. IE, you can't have one without the
others!
Blessings!
>
>Harsha
>
>
>
Date: Wed, 24 Dec 1997 00:08:28 +0000
From: Richard Wentk <richardATnospamskydancer.com>
To: kundalini-lATnospamexecpc.com
Subject: Parable
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[A friend sent me this. I thought there was something - very apt about it.
:-) ]
There were two brothers, aged 8 and 10, who were incredibly mischievous.
Whatever went wrong in the neighbourhood, it always turned out that they
had a hand in it.
Their parents were at their wits' end trying to control the boys. Hearing
about a nearby priest who knew how to work with delinquent boys, the mother
suggested to her husband that she ask the priest to see them. "Sure, you do
that - before I kill them!" he replied. So the mother arranged to send the
younger boy first to the priest.
The priest sat the boy down across a huge, impressive desk. For a long time
they merely sat and stared at each other. Finally, the priest pointed his
finger at the lad and slowly said, "Tell me where God is."
The boy panicked, bolted from the room and ran all the way home. Finding
his older brother, he gulped and said shakily "We are in BIIIG trouble now!"
"What do you mean, big trouble?" the older brother asked
Wide-eyed and trembling, the little boy replied, "God's gone missing and
they think we did it!"
R.
Date: Tue, 23 Dec 1997 19:26:49 -0500
From: "F. Drew " <leydaATnospamvalunet.com>
To: "DonBBenson" <DonBBensonATnospamaol.com>, <d.dambiecATnospamstudent.canberra.edu.au>
Cc: <kundalini-lATnospamlists.execpc.com>
Subject: Re: the Word of Dieter
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From: DonBBenson <DonBBensonATnospamaol.com>
>Is my current belief that God can communicate with us authoritatively in
>writing a delusion
**********
******
Why would God bother to write something ? When He/She wants you to know
something He/She tells you. We all know in our heart what is right and what
is wrong because He/She has already told us.
*
Drew
" So Far; So Good "
leydaATnospamvalunet.com
Date: Tue, 23 Dec 1997 17:27:26 -0800 (PST)
From: Blythe <merlinATnospampnn.com>
To: kundalini-lATnospamexecpc.com
Subject: Re: Witches Brew
Message-Id: <199712240127.RAA21475ATnospampnn.com>
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At 12:16 PM 12/23/97 -0800, Ruth wrote:
>>But I have encountered the Not-nice witches and there is simply not
>>another word to use for them and their particular kind of behavior. What do
>>you suggest? I will gladly adapt.
Speaking as another witch, I would suggest calling the 'not nice witches',
the same things you call any not- nice practitioners of any sort, ranging
from the printable sorts of names to the unprintable, to the clinically
descriptive. Are speaking of manipulative energy vampire types of people?
They crop up in every persuasion, in my experience.
Blessings and a good dictionary, ;)
Blythe
Date: Tue, 23 Dec 1997 20:39:41 EST
From: LilEli <LilEliATnospamaol.com>
To: trimbleATnospamhawaii.edu, kundalini-lATnospamlists.execpc.com
Subject: Re: Female Urddhvaretas
Message-ID: <d2033a28.34a067dfATnospamaol.com>
In a message dated 97-12-23 17:34:45 EST, Ruth writes:
<< But I think
something you don't address in this is where does the ojas energy come
from.. from where does it arise?
Don says it is from the semen.. but I believe it is the subtle life
energy in the semen not the physical substance...so where
does the female source come from.. I say it is not the fluids of menses
for menses continues through this upward flow.. but just as the seeds of
the semen are full of life force (you can actually see the light in semen)
so this same life force or light would be what activates the egg to ripen
I think. I would not think it was the excretion of fluids in the female as
someone asked Muktananda this question and he said, "No, it is different
in females." Yet it is quite possible to not have a ripe egg and still
have regular cycles so it makes sense to me that itis in the preparation
of the egg to become a child that the energy is taken.. thus cutting off
the biological function and turning the energy upward to the higher
chakras. Just pondering this... >>
Ruth this info comes from Mantak Chia's book "Cultivating Female Sexual
Energy"... pp 37 and 38
"...the Jing (principal) energy of a woman provides her with life-force
energy.
This life-force energy is contained to a large extent in the ovaries... The
ovaries constantly produce sexual energy...."
p 39
"Ovarian energy is the energy used for the development of one's higher
consciousness. These practices that transform the sexual energy into
CHI provide the foundation for the spiritual exercises that transform sexual
energy and CHI energy into Shen, a sheer spiritual energy. The process of
cleansing the internal organs of negative emotions described previously is
called "inner alchemy" by the Taoists, and it is this inner alchemy that
restores the organs their birthright of love, joy, gentleness, kindness,
respect, honesty, fairness, and righteousness. Once the organs are
cleansed and healthy, and you have developed the ability to transfer and
transform sexual energy into life-force energy, the spiritual development
can begin. It is at this level that the generative energy of the ovaries is
used
in what the Taoists call "giving birth to yourself," which means developing
the spirit body from which you will attain enlightenment.
The ovaries contribute most of their energy during sexual arousal. Many
other organs are contributors - the liver, spleen, kidneys, heart, lungs, and
brain, as well as glands - the pineal, pituitary, thymus, thyroid and adrenal.
All of these energies blend together to form sexual energy, a highly charged
force that brings us to the point of orgasm. It is at this point that our
habit
of losing-energy pleasure must be overcome....we can transfer this energy
to a higher quality energy by moving it up the spine to the brain."
Hope this info helps...you obviously were on the right track!
Blessings...
Lisa
Date: Tue, 23 Dec 1997 22:34:57 EST
From: SchrLL <SchrLLATnospamaol.com>
To: kundalini-lATnospamexecpc.com
Subject: Re: Urdhava-retas
Message-ID: <92622672.34a082e3ATnospamaol.com>
In a message dated 97-12-21 16:28:15 EST, DonBBensonATnospamaol.com wrote:
> In fact, I cannot verify
> that approximately 7 ml. of semen actually entered my spinal fluid and
began
> streaming toward my brain, but it sure felt like it. Whatever it was,
> clearly
> a powerful biological force had been set loose in my body.
Dear Don, Your account above would be most interesting to explain had it
occurred in a female body. Perhaps the experienced felt as you described, when
in fact the process had nothing whatsoever to do with sperm. I, being female,
have trouble explaining my Kundalini experiences as you have described. I will
agree however, that a powerful biological force had been set loose in my body.
the rose
Date: Wed, 24 Dec 1997 03:53:34 GMT
From: sassiATnospamworldnet.att.net (Jack)
To: kundalini-lATnospamexecpc.com
Subject: Re: Female Urddhvaretas
Message-ID: <34b48739.50328299ATnospammailhost.worldnet.att.net>
Back in the late sixties early seventies when I was in school, there
were studies going on at Harvard Medical School . The studies
concerned the Lymphatic System and the effect of racemic M1 receptors
on reuptake of nor-epinephrine and serotonin. An offshoot of this
study was born due to lab results of the test subjects.
Seems several of the test subjects were quarantined in the Metabolic
Studies Ward at Mass. General . Some of these subjects had a reaction
to a certain analgesic hydrochloride which was then diagnosed as a CNS
reaction.
While I can't remember specific names I do know that one of the
medical fellows involved in the secondary study was a close friend of
Paddy Chayefsky and that the book and movie, " Altered States" was
partially based on some of the stories this doctor related to
Chayefsky. If I remember correctly the mention of race memory and
different states of consciousness were linked to the Lymph system by
William Hurt in the movie.
Since that time I have read several articles on the Lymphatic System
and certain drugs that act as catalysts to recombinate some of the
metabolites and amines produced by the lymph system. These
recombinates enter the blood stream and are carried to different parts
of the body including the CNS of which the spine is a major organ.
Perhaps there is some sort of emotional catalyst that causes a
recombination of amines in the ovarian sac or testes that winds up in
the spinal cord ?
Beats me. Food for thought though. I am researching this for a book I
am writing and if I hit upon any new info, I will certainly share it
with the list members.
Jack
Date: Tue, 23 Dec 1997 23:08:01 EST
From: SchrLL <SchrLLATnospamaol.com>
To: kundalini-lATnospamexecpc.com
Subject: Re: Urdhava-retas
Message-ID: <b269917d.34a08aa3ATnospamaol.com>
In a message dated 97-12-22 13:16:44 EST, you write:
>
> Having said all this, I assure you that the concept of Urdhva Retas
> pre-dates Gopi Krishna by several thousand years. It is a natural
> process experienced by individuals on the spiritual path. There is no
> need to associate glamor with a process simply because it has a sanskrit
> term to describe it. Beyond all the glamor and the lights, beyond all
> the Superconscious states and wonderful visions and celestial music,
> beyond Cosmic Consciousness and time and space itself is only the Self.
> It is the Self-Existent Reality which is referred to as Sat-Chit-Ananda.
> That is the simple but eternal Truth. What is that Truth? It is only who
> You Truly Are!
>
> Harsha
>
ATnospam->->-- Linda here,
Then what? Chop wood and carry water.
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