1997/12/23 13:50-kundalini-l-d Digest V97 #857

1997/12/23 13:50
kundalini-l-d Digest V97 #857

kundalini-l-d Digest Volume 97 : Issue 857

Today's Topics:
  Apology (fwd) [ Ruth Trimble <trimbleATnospamhawaii.edu> ]
  Re: Genius [ Gloria Greco <lodpressATnospamintercomm.co ]
  Re: Urdhava-retas [ LilEli <LilEliATnospamaol.com> ]
  Re: Spiritual chanting [ lvdsATnospamstdin.gatelink.fr.net (Laurent ]
  Mantras [ lvdsATnospamstdin.gatelink.fr.net (Laurent ]
  Re: Female Urddhvaretas [ Gloria Greco <lodpressATnospamintercomm.co ]
  Re: [CHAT] Emotional people [ Blythe <merlinATnospampnn.com> ]
  Re: the Word of Dieter [ DonBBenson <DonBBensonATnospamaol.com> ]
  Re: Urdhvaretas,New Age, Gopi Krishn [ Gloria Greco <lodpressATnospamintercomm.co ]
  Re: Witches Brew [ Tantrika <hummer13ATnospamearthlink.net> ]
  Re: Urdhvaretas,New Age, Gopi Krishn [ Gloria Greco <lodpressATnospamintercomm.co ]
  Re: Urdhvaretas,New Age, Gopi Krishn [ Tantrika <hummer13ATnospamearthlink.net> ]
Date: Tue, 23 Dec 1997 08:39:34 -1000
From: Ruth Trimble <trimbleATnospamhawaii.edu>
To: kundalini-lATnospamexecpc.com
Subject: Apology (fwd)
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Just for the record... I wanted to post this to the list from Gene Kieffer
today. I think since you have all been involved, you might want to see
how it has resolved itself. IT is an apology to Harsha and to me.
-----------------------------
Subject: Apology

Dear Ruth,

You are totally correct in what you have written, and I hasten
to apologize for anything I might have said in the various
exchanges that offended you. If I in any way slandered your teacher,
your guru, then I am sorry for having said it. I know nothing about
any guru that wasn't published in the press and is therefore common
knowledge. I also withdraw all comments made to you and/or to Harsha.

I stumbled into this chat list more or less accidentally and
quickly withdrew my name. But still, email kept coming my way,
and I responded. A mistake.

To answer your one question, I awakened Kundalini December 20,
1968. My desire ever since was not to "share my experiences with
others." I have no interest in "sharing my experiences" but I do
have a strong desisre to make the knowledge of Kundalini universal.
I have found that this is not possible at this time. Perhaps in
the decades to come this may change.

I wonder if it is possible for Kundalini people to broaden their
thinking somewhat. We see Christian groups continually going
abroad to spread their "Good News" and to help the starving peoples
of the world, to work towards world peace, universal brotherhood,
etc. No doubt other organized religions are very active in the
same endeavors.

Why are those who have awakened Kundalini not interested in
similar activities? Maybe they are. If so, I would like to know
more about them.

It may be that New Age writers, who I have criticized for their
ignoring Kundalini, have encountered examples of Kundalini people
that have turned them off. That's a thought.

I am sure that discussions among those on the K-list must have
included world peace, terrorism, creedal fanaticism, etc., but I
was not fortunate enough to get in on them.

Again, I am very sorry for having offended you and I sincerely
apologize.

Peace,
Gene Kieffer

Date: Tue, 23 Dec 1997 10:57:34 +0100
From: Gloria Greco <lodpressATnospamintercomm.com>
To: Gene Kieffer <gkiefferATnospamnetaxis.com>
CC: heartzenATnospamlistserv.servtech.com, kundalini-lATnospamexecpc.com,
shalomATnospamcheerful.com
Subject: Re: Genius
Message-ID: <349F8B0B.42C2ATnospamintercomm.com>

Gene Kieffer wrote: (note I left this on in complete form because I am
talking to each part, maybe long for some of you.)
>
> Dear Gloria,
>
> In my over-simplificaton of how the research could proceed and the
> results to be hoped for, I mentioned the demonstration of genius. You
> then commented:
>
> Gloria:
> "There may be a problem would arise if the candidate felt she/he was
> expected to perform, in which case the mind would hold on and stay in
> the way, not allowing the manifestation. This is a problem with seekers
> who are disciplined and want to progress, it would be worse if he/she
> was expected to produce."
>
> Gene:
> We might wish to ask ourselves, why are we practicing any form of
> spiritual discipline, whether it be Bhakti Yoga, Karma Yoga, Jnana Yoga
> or Hatha Yoga, or even "Kundalini Yoga," whatever that is? We must have
> some goal in mind. We must believe that we will achieve some benefit.

Gloria:
Actually the way of telling such a person is fruit, which goes beyond
that of genius. Fruit implies the ability to change life from the
composition elements on up through experience. And this to me is more
important then any aspect of words produced to leave or give humanity in
terms of genius or even cosmic consciousness that is mystical to all
those around.
  This fruit can be verified easily by the way, those people around the
individual and those problem type situations simply resolve and people
in this experience enter the process of rebirth. And, it happens to
those not even directly involved in the experience but who may be a
spouce or whatever, or even a friend of a friend. The powerful thing
here is each individual is aware that something spiritual is working
with them that they don't see but they experience. And, that they are
being taken someplace out of body that is cosmic in nature which is
totally transforming their life experience. This is the ripple effect of
the kundalini/Holy Spirit energy lighing the way, it enters all just as
it does in the body, but now it is in the larger body of humanity. And,
this can only be produced through Christ Consciousness, God Realization
or Enligtenment however you wish to use this phrase.
  The fruit produced by Christ was the transcendental essence of life,
this fruit as given out through Buddha and others,plus all of us that
manifest enlightenment in our life is what it is all about, barr none.
  It changes the basic chemistry and movement of life. This is the
benefit... the way you know this is happening is that life around you
transforms. We call this the aspect of T-Love or transformation love
that catches all life in its path on fire with the thrill of being, the
joy of giving and just moving as the interchange of communication in
consciousness. And, most important each person knows it is happening,
this is the benefit which is natural and contagious.
I don't hear you talk about this? Have you considered it as the essence
of the experience which goes far beyond that of genius?
> Gene:
> If we are striving to realize the Self, fine, but it is a vague
> destination. We may wish to come in contact with Divinity. Fine.

Gloria:
This is about here and now and transformation through working
intimately with real live human people.
Attention People in the Reno/Boise group:... enter this converation
please, talk about transformation as your experience, share some of your
experience and how you know it is happening and what you see happening
all around? How about with people you know that you don't even talk to
about it?

Gene:
>
> I do not say that we need to set our goal to include genius. It just
> happens. If it should happen, then there is no problem demonstrating
> the genius. A clairvoyant may have difficulty in demonstrating his gift
> on demand. This often happens. But a genius just goes ahead and applies
> his talent to whatever task is at hand. If he/she is a writer, he writes.
> If he/she is a painter, he just paints, etc.

Gloria:
Of course this is a by-product, but it isn't the highest manifestation
of the by-product, the fruit is much higher because it enters everybody
who is willing to open up to it and work with it, and many times it
works with those who are not even open but just stick around. And, to
initate another into rebirth is really what it is all about is it not?
>
Gene:
> Sometimes the production of a genius may fall short of expectations.
> That frequently happens.
>
> To clarify the issue of genius and Kundalini. In a research project
> such as we would hope might materialize at some future date, the purpose
> would be to demonstrate the real nature of mystical experience and the
> possibility that genius would manifest as a "by-product" of Self-Realization.
>
> The reason why we have been convinced that genius can be, and will be,
> a by-product of Illumination, Cosmic Consciousness, etc., is because the
> ancient Illuminates of India said so. If we read, just as an example,
> PANCHASTAVI, we see that the author is explicite in this regard. In other
> literature the same claim is made. In fact, it is said that the first
> real sign of Enlightenment is VAIKHARI, meaning the spontaneous flow of words
> full of wisdom and worth.
>
> The word genius implies original. A genius brings to the world original
> productions. The world honors men and women of genius for that reason,
> because they bring to us concepts, solutions, productions that are original,
> not hashed over work that was invented by others.

Gloria:
I would say the word genius goes beyond this, it emplies empowerment,
in other words that such a being writes these words come across to the
reader with power because they are alive, what makes a genius is this
very thing, they are not words that are lifeless and powerless, instead
these words connect with the heart and soul of an individual causing
inner movement and transformation, again fruit. It isn't the
intellectual meaning of the words that makes one a genius it is the
ability to create rebirth through every vehicle. Change means breaking
down and rebirthing, in order to make something new, it first needs to
be broke apart and then remade. This is the transformational element
which goes to work where ever such a person manifests.
>Gene:
> We do not say that someone who fully awakens Kundalini will become an
> instant genius, but he/she will become a genius as the transformational
> process runs its course. We use the term "transcendental" in referring to
> the state of consciousness achieved by one in whom Kundalini has worked
> her wonders and marvels. Transcendental implies that the human mind has
> transcended the normal limits. We can use the word enlightenment in any
> way we choose, of course, so long as there is a consensus. But if we are
> referring to one in whom the Goddess has bestowed Illumination, then we
> should, I believe, capitalize the word: Enlightenment. And if an
> Enlightened person is not a genius, then what is he or she?

Gloria:
An Enlightened person is much more then a genius, it is God.
>
> All best wishes,
> gene

In a message dated 97-12-22 23:14:44 EST, Gene Kieffer wrote to
Rick Puravs:

<< Our foundation does only two things: 1. Promote the concept of
>scientifically verifying the existence of Kundalini, and 2., correspond
>with individuals who write to us. We have a modest web site you
>can visit if you wish: It is http://www.Renature.com/krf
>
> As for funding, 99.5% of all the funds spend by the K.R.F. over the
>past 28 years were contributed by Gene Kieffer personally. Mr. Kieffer
>was in the advertising/public relations business in Des Moines, Iowa,
>until he had a kundalini experience on December 20, 1968. After that
>experience, he left his agency and moved to New York City, taking his
>wife and four children, two of which were in high school, and two
>in college. His K-experience, like that of so many thousands of
>others, especially nowadays, made him believe that he had some kind of
>a mission. He had never heard of Kundalini. All he knew is that he
>"saw the light," so to speak and that he was being called upon to
>"do something." >>

Lisa here....forgive me for I am a bit confused. I just finished reading
the book "A Farther Shore" by Yvonne Kason and in the Appendix she
writes the following...

"The Kundalini Research Network (KRN) was founded in March 1990 at
the home of Bonnie Greenwell, Ph.D., by an international group of doctors,
scientists, and scholars which included Paul Pond Ph.D, Michael Bradford,
B.Sc., and Yvonne, board members of the Institute for Consciousness
Research; Teri Degler, M.A.; Kenneth Ring, PH.D>, of the International
Association for Near Death Studies; Francesca McCartney, Ph.D., from the
Institute for Intuitive Studies; Russell Park, Ph.D. and Megan Nolan, Ph.D.,
baord members of the Spiritual Emergence Network; George Tompkins board
member of the Kundalini Research Association International; and several
other individuals interested in kundalini research. The founding members
shared an interest in promoting and collaborating on research into spiritual
states of human consciousness and their relationship to the phenomenon
konwn in the yogic tradition as kundalini. The KRN is currently undertaking
this research and is attempting to bring the existence of kundalini and the
symptoms that often occur with its arousal to the attention of the Western
World, especially the scientific and medical communities, therapists, and
people undergoing kundalini experiences.

The KRN welcomes interested individuals frm around the world. It is not
restricted to any religious tradittion or spiritual discipline. The common
thread is an interest in the scientific verification of the Kundalini
phenomenon.

The KRN Questionnaire is a confidential 30 page self administered series
of tests that have been developed to gather information from people who are
having paranormal consciousness experiences which may be associated with
the awakening of Kundalini. If you would like to become a member of the
KRN, complete a KRN questionnaire, or contact Dr. Kason directly, you
can do so by writing:

Dr. Yvonne Kason, POB 88058, 2975 Kingston Rd., Scarborough,
Ontario, Canada M1M 1N0 "

Is this a separate entity trying to scientificaly validate kundalini as well??
The KRF website has a US address, the KRN a Canadian one. Are they
one and the same?

And why does Gene refer to himself as "he" and "Mr. Kieffer" in his own
letter?

Confused...but used to it.

Lisa
Date: Tue, 23 Dec 97 19:26:33 +0100
From: lvdsATnospamstdin.gatelink.fr.net (Laurent Cas)
To: kundalini-lATnospamexecpc.com
Subject: Re: Spiritual chanting
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Hello,

I have been really interested by what you said in the Kundalini
mail list about:

> There are 64 ancient texts of India called the Tantra Shastra. In those
> scriptures is a clear explanation of six dimensional
> sadhana (spiritual practice). It includes instructions how a spiritual
> aspirant
> who is adept in this six-dimensional sadhana can
> disintegrate his body at will and reintegrate-his body at another place.
> This extraordinary phenomenon has a logical basis in the
> wave mechanics of quantum physics.

I have never heard of these texts. Would you explain the spiritual
practice and/or point me to a good book on the subject that i could
read?

Have these texts been translated and can be found edited somewhere?

> Everything is composed of waves, and every object also emanates waves. Your
> hand, your face and every part of your body
> emanate both physical and psychic waves. Every being is a bundle of
> vibrations
> with greater or lesser intensity and density.

I have been studying the vibration and psychic waves since a long time
and it would be a pleasure to hear more about this and the way hindouism
relate to vibrations.

Please, feel free to reply as it will be a pleasure (at least for me :-) )
I found your posts to be very interesting and point me to long meditations.

ps: if you reply in the kundalini mail list, please put me in email copy
as the trafic in mail list is strong and i'm always late in reading :-)

Namaste'
Laurent.
Date: Tue, 23 Dec 97 20:03:39 +0100
From: lvdsATnospamstdin.gatelink.fr.net (Laurent Cas)
To: kundalini-lATnospamexecpc.com
Subject: Mantras
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Hello,

I read your message about self-realisation (which i completely agree),
you wrote:

> There are many paths and many different methods. For direct experience
> of the Kundalini power, using Shakti mantras and focusing on the
> appropriate centers is sufficient. However, Kundalini need not be
> directly aroused for Self-Realization. For a person who has complete
> devotion in his/her Heart for the Supereme Being, all methods are
> superfluous.

I am very curious about mantras, would tell me which are the Shakti
mantras? and is there somewhere a disk i could buy so to learn the
music song of them?

For example as i don't speek indian i have always wonder what the following
are meaning, perhaps may you help? here they are:
- Namo amitabha
- Om namo baghavate

Thanks for your help.

ps: please put me in email copy if you reply in the mailing list as
i am late on reading and i wouldn't want to miss your message.

Namaste',
Laurent.
Date: Tue, 23 Dec 1997 11:29:51 +0100
From: Gloria Greco <lodpressATnospamintercomm.com>
To: Ruth Trimble <trimbleATnospamhawaii.edu>
CC: kundalini-lATnospamlists.execpc.com, heartzenATnospamlistserv.servtech.com
Subject: Re: Female Urddhvaretas
Message-ID: <349F929A.477AATnospamintercomm.com>

Ruth Trimble wrote:
>
> It seems there is a mystery in the ancient texts about women an their
> biological changes from the K. I am female and had my experiences which
> seem to be very similar to the male accounts... except there is no
> physical "semen" per se as Don had.. that goes up into the shushumna.
> I have a very hard time believing that the physical semen goes into the
> shushumna as the K. energy is pure light... and science has a hard enough
> time with finding the chi currents for acupuncture, let alone trying to
> find this.. the idea of science finding such a thing at this stage seems
> comic. However, if they can get instruments to detect subtle energies
> there may be some possibility of finding changes. I would highly doubt any
> physical symptoms as Don proposes.
Gloria
Actually in females I would say that the release that one experiences
during sex is manifested only it is the surrender and total openness to
God which means a total letting go of need thought or desire and any
identity to self.

This manifests then as total union and releases the ojas which is
different from kundalini in its normal aspect. It is this second chakra
totally opening and releasing itself into itself which creates the
upward movement in the female. In other words it is the total letting go
and surrender into the male which takes Mother Kundalini from the female
position to union with Shiva in the crown chakra. In all of this
releasing of creative energy in the second chakra, it is releasing
ojas into the blood stream, nerves, etc. as that reproductive cell which
creates that silver stream of light to enter the brain to regenerate and
create God Consciousness.
>
>
Date: Tue, 23 Dec 1997 11:39:28 -0800 (PST)
From: Blythe <merlinATnospampnn.com>
To: amckeonATnospamhsmail.nfld.k12.mn.us
Cc: kundalini-lATnospamexecpc.com
Subject: Re: [CHAT] Emotional people
Message-Id: <199712231939.LAA13809ATnospampnn.com>
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>Blythe wrote:
>
><snipped>
>>Every person who approached to watch or speak or question,
>>approached in a cloud of emotions. Then one person came up to me, and other
>>than a sense of underlying hapiness, all he had around him were images of
>>the things he spoke about:
amckeon responded:
>I suspect that you were in a place where you were able to experience this.
>In other words, your own emotions weren't being projected all over the
>place, either.
Good point. When I work, I'm in a state of umm flow or trance or some such.
There're my hands and the clay and the animal taking shape, and that's about
it. I can listen to people and talk, but I'm not there as an emoting person.
I'm only imaging 'bear' or 'moose' or whatever.
Blythe
Date: Tue, 23 Dec 1997 14:41:45 EST
From: DonBBenson <DonBBensonATnospamaol.com>
To: d.dambiecATnospamstudent.canberra.edu.au
Cc: kundalini-lATnospamlists.execpc.com
Subject: Re: the Word of Dieter
Message-ID: <c067e313.34a013fcATnospamaol.com>

In a message dated 97-12-23 09:12:58 EST, you write:

<< Again, I give no credence to the hell idea - plain and simple dogma. The
world
view that the earth is flat falls into the same category. It is plain
delusion. One can simply not bow to dogma.

dieter
>>

When the Word of Dieter contradicts the Word of God, I have to decide whether
to believe Dieter or God. Twenty-five years ago I was inclined to agree with
Dieter. Now I am inclined to agree with God. Do you think this is may be a
sign of senility?

Is my current belief that God can communicate with us authoritatively in
writing a delusion? Would it be better to just accept that Dieter is able to
communicate with us authoritatively in writing and reject every verse of
Scripture that contradicts Dieter? What then if one or more Goddesses on the
K-list contradict the God within Dieter? How shall I choose between all these
Gods and Goddesses in cases where their authoritative writings disagree?

The Christmas story says God became a man and dwelt among us. The Easter
story says this man Jesus (who was both Son of God and Son of Man) took upon
Himself on the cross all the sins and all the horrible consequnces of all the
sins of all human beings of all time. He suffered and died and rose again in
triumph over sin and death so that whoever believes in Him should not perish
but have everlasting life.

The Dieter story says Dieter has no need to believe in Jesus because Dieter
already has a perfectly good do-it-himself solution to the pesky age-old
problems of sin, suffering, and death.

Rotsa ruck, Dieter-san.

Sincerely,
Not So Sure of His Own Infallibility Don
Date: Tue, 23 Dec 1997 11:52:10 +0100
From: Gloria Greco <lodpressATnospamintercomm.com>
To: Tantrika <hummer13ATnospamearthlink.net>
CC: "keutzerATnospameecs.berkeley.edu" <keutzerATnospameecs.berkeley.edu>,
"'anandajyoti'" <anandajyotiATnospamgeocities.com>,
Gene Kieffer <gkiefferATnospamnetaxis.com>,
"heartzenATnospamlistserv.servtech.com" <heartzenATnospamlistserv.servtech.com>,
"kundalini-lATnospamexecpc.com" <kundalini-lATnospamexecpc.com>
Subject: Re: Urdhvaretas,New Age, Gopi Krishna etc.
Message-ID: <349F97D5.725AATnospamintercomm.com>

Tantrika wrote:
>
> I'll be rude here and CC: everyone...
> What the heck is Urdhvaretas??????
> How many times must I ask?

HI Joy,
I was waiting for someone else to jump in and I guess they aren't going
to. Urdhvaretas is the upward movement of sexual energy that manifests
when kundalini has entered into the stage of union between Shiva and
Shakti. It is drawing up the seminal fluids which creates a silver flow
of energy into the blood stream releasing ojas which is a highly charged
energy which produces Enlightenment, or God Consciousness. It generally
then is even seen in the aura as a glow of energy about the head. The
person experiencing this becomes aware of a silver stream and light in
the head that can also manifest as Gold which even permeates the sight
even physical sight and also inside of the head. You can get a better
description on it from the eastern folks here this is just from my
experience. Gloria

>I have indeed connections with all traditions having been many things in
>my experiences on this planet over thousands of years...!
>But I have encountered the Not-nice witches and there is simply not
>another word to use for them and their particular kind of behavior. Wht do
>you suggest? I will gladly adapt.

The word that rhymes and starts with a "b"

>> My energy Aphrodite's...
>Mine too.. but Aphrodite was into doves..

Doves can be very aggressive and violent, surprisingly.

>Ruth
>
>
>
Date: Tue, 23 Dec 1997 11:54:32 +0100
From: Gloria Greco <lodpressATnospamintercomm.com>
To: "keutzerATnospameecs.berkeley.edu" <keutzerATnospameecs.berkeley.edu>
CC: "'Tantrika'" <hummer13ATnospamearthlink.net>,
"'anandajyoti'" <anandajyotiATnospamgeocities.com>,
Gene Kieffer <gkiefferATnospamnetaxis.com>,
"heartzenATnospamlistserv.servtech.com" <heartzenATnospamlistserv.servtech.com>,
"kundalini-lATnospamexecpc.com" <kundalini-lATnospamexecpc.com>
Subject: Re: Urdhvaretas,New Age, Gopi Krishna etc.
Message-ID: <349F9862.711FATnospamintercomm.com>

Gloria here:
Thanks Kurt I knew one of you would come in with the most eastern
terminology.

Kurt Keutzer wrote:
>
> Urdhva means upward or above
> Retas means the subtle male or white essence. Some have made retas to be
> equivalent to semen, but Swami Shivom Tirth, for example, would not agree
> with this. Retas is more subtle than semen. Also, women have retas but do
> not have semen. Retas is discussed at in some detail in my kundalini-yogas
> FAQ located at the Kundalini Gateway
> http://www.execpc.com/~libra/kund/kundgate.html among other places.
> Urdhvaretas is a state in which the *retas* is constantly moving upward. In
> other words the subtle white sexual energy (it's easier to say retas isn't
> it?) moves continually upward and does not drop out. Urdhvaretas is not
> simply a state of celibacy, as I believe anandajyoti noted as well, it is a
> state in which the movement of retas is *spontaneously* upward.
>
> In general you can find a bunch of Sanskrit terms at:
> http://www.spiritweb.org/Spirit/Yoga/yoga-sanskrit-terms.html
> unfortunately, they are sometimes idiosyncratically spelled.
> Kind Regards, Kurt
>
> -----Original Message-----
> From: Tantrika [SMTP:hummer13ATnospamearthlink.net]
> Sent: Monday, December 22, 1997 7:53 PM
> To: keutzerATnospameecs.berkeley.edu; 'anandajyoti'; lodpressATnospamintercomm.com
> Cc: Gene Kieffer; heartzenATnospamlistserv.servtech.com; kundalini-lATnospamexecpc.com
> Subject: Re: Urdhvaretas,New Age, Gopi Krishna etc.
>
> I'll be rude here and CC: everyone...
> What the heck is Urdhvaretas??????
> How many times must I ask?

Enter The Silence to Know God ... and... accept life as the teacher.
Gloria Joy Greco
e-mail me at : lodpressATnospamintercomm.com and visit our homepages at:
http://users.intercomm.com/larryn/
&
http://www.freeyellow.com/members/zg888/
Hope you enjoy them!
Date: Tue, 23 Dec 1997 12:26:54 -0800
From: Tantrika <hummer13ATnospamearthlink.net>
To: lodpressATnospamintercomm.com, Tantrika <hummer13ATnospamearthlink.net>
Cc: "keutzerATnospameecs.berkeley.edu" <keutzerATnospameecs.berkeley.edu>,
"'anandajyoti'" <anandajyotiATnospamgeocities.com>,
Gene Kieffer <gkiefferATnospamnetaxis.com>,
"heartzenATnospamlistserv.servtech.com" <heartzenATnospamlistserv.servtech.com>,
"kundalini-lATnospamexecpc.com" <kundalini-lATnospamexecpc.com>
Subject: Re: Urdhvaretas,New Age, Gopi Krishna etc.
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Thank you Gloria, ok *that's* the name for that! :)

At 11:52 AM 12/23/97 +0100, Gloria Greco wrote:
>Tantrika wrote:
>>
>> I'll be rude here and CC: everyone...
>> What the heck is Urdhvaretas??????
>> How many times must I ask?
>
>HI Joy,
> I was waiting for someone else to jump in and I guess they aren't going
>to. Urdhvaretas is the upward movement of sexual energy that manifests
>when kundalini has entered into the stage of union between Shiva and
>Shakti. It is drawing up the seminal fluids which creates a silver flow
>of energy into the blood stream releasing ojas which is a highly charged
>energy which produces Enlightenment, or God Consciousness. It generally
>then is even seen in the aura as a glow of energy about the head. The
>person experiencing this becomes aware of a silver stream and light in
>the head that can also manifest as Gold which even permeates the sight
>even physical sight and also inside of the head. You can get a better
>description on it from the eastern folks here this is just from my
>experience. Gloria
>
>--
>
>Enter The Silence to Know God ... and... accept life as the teacher.
>Gloria Joy Greco
> e-mail me at : lodpressATnospamintercomm.com and visit our homepages at:
>http://users.intercomm.com/larryn/
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>Hope you enjoy them!
>
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>
>

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1997/12/23 13:50
kundalini-l-d Digest V97 #857