1997/12/22 06:09
kundalini-l-d Digest V97 #851
kundalini-l-d Digest Volume 97 : Issue 851
Today's Topics:
Re: Apology [ Harsh Luthar <hlutharATnospamkeynes.bryant ]
Re: Urdhava-retas [ Harsh Luthar <hlutharATnospamkeynes.bryant ]
Re: Apology [ Gloria Greco <lodpressATnospamintercomm.co ]
Re: Apology [ Gloria Greco <lodpressATnospamintercomm.co ]
Re: Urdhava-retas [ Gloria Greco <lodpressATnospamintercomm.co ]
Re: Gene's view [ Gloria Greco <lodpressATnospamintercomm.co ]
Hi, I'm new... [ Tantrika <hummer13ATnospamearthlink.net> ]
Re: Urdhava-retas [ mraft <at3ATnospamearthlink.net> ]
Re: Deja Vu, a glimpse into the futu [ Dieter Dambiec <d.dambiecATnospamstudent.c ]
for Dieter Dambiec [ dcondreaATnospampcnet.pcnet.ro (Blizzard) ]
Date: Sun, 21 Dec 1997 20:55:27 -0800
From: Harsh Luthar <hlutharATnospamkeynes.bryant.edu>
To: lodpressATnospamintercomm.com
Cc: Gene Kieffer <gkiefferATnospamnetaxis.com>, hlutharATnospambryant.edu,
heartzenATnospamlistserv.servtech.com, kundalini-lATnospamexecpc.com
Subject: Re: Apology
Message-Id: <349DF2BF.7D4DATnospamkeynes.bryant.edu>
Dear Gene and Gloria,
This interaction was influenced by several factors including the nature
and tone of Gene's original personal post to me (which was highly
disrespectful, patronizing, and insulting), the fact that copies of that
post were selectively being sent to other people on the list (God only
knows why), and finally Gene's last post to the list which contained a
veiled misrepresentation of something I had said as well as his other
criticisms. These misunderstandings can be avoided easily if we do not
play games and simply have discussions in the open forum. Even for the
compassionate Harsha, enough is enough. Having said that I accept Gene's
apology in goodwill and welcome him to a continuing and a frank
dialogue.
Harsha
Gloria Greco wrote:
>
> Gene Kieffer wrote:
> >
> > Dear Harsha,
> >
> > Since I'm not on the K-list but get CCs from Gloria, I somehow
> > inadvertently didn't send your reply to one of my emails to her. This
> > was an oversight on my part due to haste or a blackout or whatever.
> > I want nothing more than to have your views as well as mine to get
> > the broadest possible circulation.
>
> Gloria here to Harsha, and Gene:
> Thank you both for coming together her and allowing spirit to work and
> kind of break through some barriers. I always feel these undercurrents
> and it just is not necessary especially when the Holy Spirit has
> specific works in the manifesting stage. And, people of love and
> goodwill need to bury some of the old thought forms that have caused
> pain, so that real brotherly love and understanding can break away the
> lower energies attached to all spiritual matters of importance.
>
> Gene:
> >
> > You have no idea how long I have waited for a dialogue such as this
> > to come about. From my point of view, there has been a wall of silence
> > surrounding Kundalini. Yes, I know very well what the gurus say to
> > their own kind. But I am not in the least interested in gurus.
> >
> > What I want is for the general public to be brought into these
> > discussions. They are not apes. They are intelligent human beings
> > whose stake in the survival of the race is just as great as any
> > guru's. They deserve to be treated as adults, as human beings, not
> > as children who cannot discern their left hand from their right.
> >
> > We, this little band of brave K-listers, have the power to over-
> > ride the charlatans and pretenders, the New Age writers and dispensers
> > of pablum, whose only wish is to bamboozle the public with the
> > "conversations with God" and there innane "course in miracles," etc.
> >
> > Why should we be held at bay? The Internet is our only outlet because
> > the publishing industry has no interest in anything except money, and
> > they think the public is too ignorant and unintelligent to know the
> > difference between what is real and what is imagined.
> >
> > Definitely, your ideas deserve a wide audience. I'm 100% for it.
> > I want the same for my ideas and for those who enter into these
> > discussions. We can greatly help accelerate the transformation of
> > humanity by lighting a match to the debate. Our little band can be
> > enlarged week by week if we serve up real meat and potatoes instead
> > of tidbits of puffed rice.
>
> Gloria:
> The debate is actually used to bring in new awareness and also to
> neutralize negative thought forms that are just out of place in the
> frequency of love. What we have here is several very aware souls with
> real sincere seekers all coming together asking what God's Will is for
> this time. How powerful is this?
> >Gene:
> > At the very least, we can shame the New Age writers into silence
> > by offering the Internet a thousand times more substance than they
> > have to offer by rehashing thoughts and books that were in fashion
> > 60 to 90 years. Ago. If anyone were to go back that far and dig up
> > the inspiration literature published that long ago, they would soon
> > discover the source of most of the so-called inspirational books of
> > today. There is nothing new, nothing original, on the inspirational
> > best-seller lists in America. It is all rehash of what was written
> > nearly a century ago.
>
> Gloria:
> The new information is waiting to come through but a new container is
> needed to place it in, it is like the old wine skins, we have to create
> the pure energy which will allow the communion to manifest, remember it
> isn't that it has to manifest to the masses, it can manifest to a small
> group to create the momentum.
> >
> Gene:
> > The only thing that is new is knowledge of Kundalini, and it has been
> > squellshed by publishers whose minds are cast in crumbling concrete.
> >
> > Thanks for the opportunity to jump onto my soapbox.
> >
> > All best wishes,
> > gene
>
> --
>
> Enter The Silence to Know God ... and... accept life as the teacher.
> Gloria Joy Greco
> e-mail me at : lodpressATnospamintercomm.com and visit our homepages at:
> http://users.intercomm.com/larryn/
> &
> http://www.freeyellow.com/members/zg888/
> Hope you enjoy them!
Date: Sun, 21 Dec 1997 21:21:31 -0800
From: Harsh Luthar <hlutharATnospamkeynes.bryant.edu>
To: DonBBenson <DonBBensonATnospamaol.com>
Cc: lodpressATnospamintercomm.com, gkiefferATnospamnetaxis.com,
heartzenATnospamlistserv.servtech.com, kundalini-lATnospamexecpc.com
Subject: Re: Urdhava-retas
Message-Id: <349DF8DB.4A23ATnospamkeynes.bryant.edu>
Dear Don,
I loved reading your very interesting post. You are truly a master of
words and a master of humor. I salute you! Your idea of doing a spinal
tap on someone raising their Kundalini is unique. Your description of
your own awakening was riveting. Your candor and sincerity always
impress me. I am not surprised that you ended up doing a master of
divinity and then a Ph.D. One effect of the Kundalini is to enhance the
brain function. And in your case, despite your admitted lack of
abstinence due to youthful tendencies, the Shakti must have certainly
helped. By the way in India, the word used to refer to Jesus is also
Messiha which translates into english as Prophet. Is this the proper
translation in your view?
Harsha
DonBBenson wrote:
>
> Dear Gene Kieffer,
> Thank you. Thank you. Thank you -- for your recent summary statement
> which Gloria Greco shared with us on the K-list. I feel that tremendous
> breakthroughs are being made in this discussion group regarding a host of
> previously unresolved issues arising out of Kundalini phenomena. And everyone
> is contributing to this vitally important (and often painfully difficult) work
> in his or her own way.
> Your acknowledgment of the indescribable character of enlightenment
> reminded me of the scripture verse I displayed on our neighborhood church sign
> this week: <<Thanks be to God for His indescribable gift!>> 2 Corinthians
> 9:15 The only perfect example of a fully enlightened person so far is Jeshua
> ha Mashiach (known to Gentiles as Jesus Christ) -- <<For in Him dwells all the
> fullness of the Godhead in bodily form.>> Colossians 2:9 The Bible clearly
> states that He is the One who created us male and female in the image of God,
> and being born of a woman and the Holy Spirit (both Son of Man and Son of God)
> He is uniquely suited to lead all who are willing to perfect enlightenment.
> Returning to a mundane level, I agree with your suggestion for scientific
> verification of Kundalini. Thirty-four years ago at age nineteen (while
> sitting at a desk in the Mt. Holyoke College Library in my home town, trying
> by meditation and breath control to awaken my brain so that I could write a
> term paper unifying the theories of Einstein, Bergson, and Jung for a
> philosophy course I was taking at Amherst College) I started to have an
> orgasm. Being in a public place with ladies present, I made a determined
> effort with sphincter muscles not to ejaculate. To my shock and horror,
> something much worse than the embarrassment of staining the front of my
> trousers occurred: I ejaculated into my spinal column! I had no idea this was
> biologically possible, much less how it happened. In fact, I cannot verify
> that approximately 7 ml. of semen actually entered my spinal fluid and began
> streaming toward my brain, but it sure felt like it. Whatever it was, clearly
> a powerful biological force had been set loose in my body.
> On a practical level, it seemed I was in the midst of a major medical
> emergency, and to make matters worse I suspected it was far beyond the
> competence of contemporary medical science. But Gopi Krishna came *online* as
> an *older brother* in the spirit, introduced me to *Lord Shushumna,* and
> guided me safely through the obstacles and perils of this experience. On an
> intellectual level, within a few seconds or minutes, I learned all about how
> the heavens and the earth and all the life on earth came into being -- an
> indescribable experience!
> From my perspective then, it has always seemed likely that a simple
> medical procedure called a *spinal tap* under such circumstances would reveal
> the presence of semen in the spinal fluid. This would constitute rudimentary
> scientific proof of Kundalini. I have never mentioned this before because the
> idea (of jamming a needle into the spine of someone undergoing a sacred
> spiritual experience and drawing out fluid) is repugnant to me. On the other
> hand, it may be that a research team with sufficient wisdom and skill to
> perform such tests without doing great harm can now be assembled. In any
> case, the suggestion is becoming so obvious, that such research cannot be
> stopped. We can only hope to establish prudent guidelines.
> Already there is interest in using the sperm of Nobel Laureates for
> artificial insemination of women who want smart children. Soon, there will be
> interest in using such sperm for artificial insemination of the spinal fluid
> of Nobel Laureate wannabees. It seems many people will do anything to advance
> their own ambitions, but will not not open themselves to the freely offered
> wisdom which comes down from above from the Father of lights.
> Offered with thanks and best wishes,
> Donald B. Benson, Ph.D., M.Div.
>
> In a message dated 97-12-20 20:10:34 EST, Gene Kieffer writes:
>
> << I said that the best and easiest way to verify the existence of
> > Kundalini was by observing the phenomenon of Urdhava-retas in one in whom
> > the Power had just been awakened in a forceful and full manner. >>
Date: Sun, 21 Dec 1997 18:34:57 +0100
From: Gloria Greco <lodpressATnospamintercomm.com>
To: hlutharATnospamkeynes.bryant.edu
CC: Gene Kieffer <gkiefferATnospamnetaxis.com>, hlutharATnospambryant.edu,
heartzenATnospamlistserv.servtech.com, kundalini-lATnospamexecpc.com
Subject: Re: Apology
Message-ID: <349D5341.46BDATnospamintercomm.com>
Harsh Luthar wrote:
>
> Dear Gene and Gloria,
> This interaction was influenced by several factors including the nature
> and tone of Gene's original personal post to me (which was highly
> disrespectful, patronizing, and insulting), the fact that copies of that
> post were selectively being sent to other people on the list (God only
> knows why), and finally Gene's last post to the list which contained a
> veiled misrepresentation of something I had said as well as his other
> criticisms. These misunderstandings can be avoided easily if we do not
> play games and simply have discussions in the open forum. Even for the
> compassionate Harsha, enough is enough. Having said that I accept Gene's
> apology in goodwill and welcome him to a continuing and a frank
> dialogue.
Gloria:
Point well taken, I do hope we can continue with respect and
understanding for all.
We had a little dance to do here, but all is well.
>
>
Date: Sun, 21 Dec 1997 18:36:06 +0100
From: Gloria Greco <lodpressATnospamintercomm.com>
To: Croaton <croatonATnospamworldnet.att.net>
CC: kundalini-lATnospamexecpc.com
Subject: Re: Apology
Message-ID: <349D5386.22EATnospamintercomm.com>
Croaton wrote:
>
> The new information is waiting to come through but a new container is
> needed to place it in,
>
> I hope that all of you will wish Nancy and I well in our
> collaboration, we welcome any and all advice on K and hope to publish
> this Spring.
>
> Jack
Congratulations, mine also should be about ready then. Gloria
--
Enter The Silence to Know God ... and... accept life as the teacher.
Gloria Joy Greco
e-mail me at : lodpressATnospamintercomm.com and visit our homepages at:
http://users.intercomm.com/larryn/
&
http://www.freeyellow.com/members/zg888/
Hope you enjoy them!
Date: Sun, 21 Dec 1997 19:04:54 +0100
From: Gloria Greco <lodpressATnospamintercomm.com>
To: DonBBenson <DonBBensonATnospamaol.com>
CC: gkiefferATnospamnetaxis.com, heartzenATnospamlistserv.servtech.com,
kundalini-lATnospamexecpc.com
Subject: Re: Urdhava-retas
Message-ID: <349D5A44.7D9EATnospamintercomm.com>
DonBBenson wrote:
>
> Dear Gene Kieffer,
> Thank you. Thank you. Thank you -- for your recent summary statement
> which Gloria Greco shared with us on the K-list. I feel that tremendous
> breakthroughs are being made in this discussion group regarding a host of
> previously unresolved issues arising out of Kundalini phenomena. And everyone
> is contributing to this vitally important (and often painfully difficult) work
> in his or her own way.
Gloria:
Thanks for sharing Don, I do believe that your experience and that of
others really helps bring the east and west together. We have the
challenge of really bringing the light down into life in such a way that
it actually transforms what is here. This can be done.
>
Date: Sun, 21 Dec 1997 19:18:37 +0100
From: Gloria Greco <lodpressATnospamintercomm.com>
To: Rick Puravs <ric51ATnospamgeorge.lhi.net>
CC: kundalini-lATnospamlists.execpc.com, gkiefferATnospamnetaxis.com,
heartzenATnospamlistserv.servtech.com
Subject: Re: Gene's view
Message-ID: <349D5D7B.5C13ATnospamintercomm.com>
Rick Puravs wrote:
>
> Gene's views are as welcome here as any other views, as long as they are
> presented as Gene's views. The problem i have is the tone of authority used
> in some recent posts i have seen. Gene is from the academic world i must
> assume, and is associated with some Kundalini Research Center (whatever that is), and has written or is writing a book, or research paper on the subject. All of this is well and good. I wish him well in his projects. I only have an
> indirect interest in the scientific verification of Kundalini because, in my view,
> Kundalini is a subjective experience. Science tends to discount the subjective and focus on what is measurable to an outside observer, what
> experiments can be duplicated with the same results, that sort of thing.
Gloria:
Gene has been involved in making kundalini public knowledge for many,
many years, the recent kundalini conference was the ripple effect of the
work he has done. So, it isn't exactly as though he isn't well informed.
If he has some rough edges in communication, I have to agree with you,
yes he does. But his heart is in the right place, so please give him a
change to enter the dialogue.
Note to k list: I am leaving the rest of the messasge that Rick has on,
so if you are on the k list you will want to delete so that you don't
read it all over again. This way Gene and folks on the heart list can
read it and participate if they wish.
Rick:
> This has it's value no doubt, as well as its shortcomings. From my own point
> of view i only tend to accept what i have verified by my own personal, subjective, experience. Science on the other hand will look for aspects of
> the Kundalini experience that are measurable, and so Gene has come up
> with this emphasis on Urddhvaretas. This does appear to be an interesting
> area to explore and i would welcome more information about it. However the
> information that has been presented so far seems to be simply opinions,
> accompanied by questionable demands to produce a "New Age writer" who
> is publishing information on the subject. Now the first question that comes to
> mind is just what the hell is a "New Age writer".....are we talking about anything written in the past 30 years or so, or are we limiting this to Celestine
> Prophecy types, or what? Then there is this standard Gene has apparently
> set for who is, or what constitutes being enlightened....and he questions if
> Swami Muktananda was enlightened, or if anybody in recent years was by
> this standard he has set. There is talk about genius and spiritual genius and
> what sort of output people in these catagories would be expected to produce.
> I would suspect that enlightenment is not something measurable but a subjective state. I am surprised that Gene is applying these standards to
> something so clearly not measurable, coming from his academic background
> and all......this seems to me much like discussing if Bo Derek was really a
> 10 or was she just a 9 1/2.
> I would think that Urddhvaretas, while interesting, are not at the core of the
> Kundalini experience, or central to enlightenment. It is said that certain powers may come along the way of the spiritual path....walking on water,
> healing, levitation, prophecy, remote viewing, etc.....and many view these as
> distractions to the true path. Based on my current understanding (which is
> always subject to change) i would have to include Urddhvaretas with these, as i would also include any other aspect of Kundalini which science is likely
> to find measurable.
> Then there was the reduction of mantra repetition to self-hypnosis, which would seem to miss a lot......such as the role of sound/vibration in creation.
> So while Gene's information was helpful in providing food for contemplation,
> after i had thoroughly digested what was offered, much of it IMHO seemed
> like bullshit.
> So i wonder, just what is this Kundalini Research Center, and what is the source of its funding.
>
> Rick
--
Enter The Silence to Know God ... and... accept life as the teacher.
Gloria Joy Greco
e-mail me at : lodpressATnospamintercomm.com and visit our homepages at:
http://users.intercomm.com/larryn/
&
http://www.freeyellow.com/members/zg888/
Hope you enjoy them!
Date: Sun, 21 Dec 1997 22:58:03 -0800
From: Tantrika <hummer13ATnospamearthlink.net>
To: kundalini-lATnospamexecpc.com
Subject: Hi, I'm new...
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Hi my name is Joy Williams and i'm just recently having the kundalini
energy not exactly *awaken* for the first time, but rather energized to a
degree that I've not encountered before.
I'm 35, living in Santa Cruz, CA. I really can't say when I first became
aware of the energy....it's been something i've felt off and on all my
life, but didn't have a name for. However this experience happened about 3
weeks ago when a lover was visiting me and we went on a trip up the coast
and during intense lovemaking it was energized in such a way that literally
stunned me. (and no I hadn't planned on it) Since then I've been feeling
it course through my body at various times and it's filled me with
awareness, much deeper intuitive abilities, and I lost 15 lbs though my
eating patterns haven't changed. I'm also riding a course of LOVE, which
seems to keep it stimulated immensely. The relationship I had with that
lover had been before then relatively relaxed and playful, but something
happened during the trip and our relationship deepened to a degree I
haven't experienced in a long while, nor was expecting it to.
As to practices that are useful I'm just learning, thus I'm here.
I am involved in service to the Earth/Gaia.
I am hoping to get out of this list insights and understandings of this
tremendously powerful energy.
Thanks for hearing me and happy Yule.
Date: Sun, 21 Dec 1997 23:42:25 -0800
From: mraft <at3ATnospamearthlink.net>
To: Jack <sassiATnospamworldnet.att.net>
CC: kundalini-lATnospamexecpc.com
Subject: Re: Urdhava-retas
Message-ID: <349E19E0.8D53AC5AATnospamearthlink.net>
>
> Seems to me someone on the list posted some info on this just
> recently. The Lymph system being used as a transmutation medium ?
> However, there are different chemical bases and bonding agents in our
> lymph systems at different ages and of course gender qualifies one for
> having any particular compound or lack thereof
Hello Jack,
With the male though, I believe, the chemical basis and bonding agent is the
sperm. This is the substance that must be channeled in the upward direction,
not the down and out of standard sexual release. Is this what you refer to?
Interesting about the female too, since there is no ejaculate that can be
transmuted. But I thought I read somewhere that females do ejaculate.
> While I don't practice celibacy I think " moderation " is good advice.
> After abstaining 4-5 days my energy seems to build back up.
> Unfortunately I can't seem to move it up from my lower spine anymore.
> So I quit trying to make it happen and just go with the flow. Any
> phenomena that manifest themselves I think of a " perks " and I am at
> the point where I miss those perks enough that I have to distract
> myself with reading and research.
Why did you quit trying, Jack? I too stop and start, now i'm in the start
mode, not having tried for a long time. This cycle frustrates me: spiritual
practice and the desire to copulate with everyone I meet. Meditation gives me
so much feel-good energy but I don't know what to do with it, so I usually end
up dissipating it, building it up, dissipating it, building it up, etc.,
etc...Like a merry-go-round. And its getting tiresome as I grow older. I think
discipline is the key. "Tapas", I think the Hindus call it.
Reading doesn't fill that void for me. It use to, I seem to be gettinng more
desparate as I age.
Mike
Date: Mon, 22 Dec 1997 21:03:41 +1100 (EDT)
From: Dieter Dambiec <d.dambiecATnospamstudent.canberra.edu.au>
To: kundalini-lATnospamlists.execpc.com
cc: Kundalini-lATnospamexecpc.com, kundalini-lATnospamlists.execpc.com
Subject: Re: Deja Vu, a glimpse into the future
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On Sat, 22 Nov 1997, Nancy wrote:
> dreams. While I am dreaming, I can tell the difference whether the
> dreams are mental process or energetic truth.
Some dreams may have psyhic meaning but these are extremely extremely
rare. Most dreams are ordinary disturbances.
How does dream come during sleep, i.e., how does the stage of dream come
between sleep and wakefulness? What is dream?
When certain sentiments of
impressions, apprehended by the organs, agitate the conscious mind or
when sensual or material thoughts get vehemently awakened in the
conscious mind, the nervous system, the crude receptacle of the
conscious mind and the mind overall becomes unsteady and restless leaving
an impress of
the restlessness on the cells and that impress remains short-lived or
lasting
per degrees of its intensity.
In the sleeping state, if ever a person's nerve-tissues get
agitated due to some physical cause, oftener than not, either as the
result of this or on account of cerebral heat, caused by some vehement
thinking, the nerve cells also get stirred and disturbed. Such agitations
give rise, in the mental sphere to desires similar to those impresses,
accumulated in the nerve-cells.
Thus the agitated the
sub-conscious mind accepts as real the stream of thoughts, arising form
one or more such impresses. The crude organs having struck work, the
identical desires, arising from the previously acquired desires, do not
then seem to be imaginary but they appear to be quite real.
Such dreams
often do not come true, for these are actually pure imaginations or a
mere stringing together of different, disjointed thoughts, i.e., what we
say colloquially a confused or inconsistent dream. Only those whose nerve
tissues have become weak due to some ailments of the brain or head or to
some protracted illness, or those whose digestive system have gone out of
gear, generally `see' such orectic (ie of desire or appetite) dreams.
We may call such a
passional or sensual Dream.
These dreams are the
true reproduction of the pre-imagined objects or the scattered
expressions of previous thoughts. Excessive eating also give rise to such
a dream in a person. Those that have purity of though and also have
restraint over their diet, are generally less susceptible to such dreams.
Such dreams never come in deep sleep.
Date: Mon, 22 Dec 1997 13:45:29
From: dcondreaATnospampcnet.pcnet.ro (Blizzard)
To: kundalini-lATnospamlists.execpc.com
Subject: for Dieter Dambiec
Message-ID: <71ATnospamdcondrea.pcnet.ro>
Sorry for this but I can't succed to send it to Dieter Dambiec, my
provider say host unknow. Thanx
>Sounds complicted (part snipped that you wrote). I think 40min meditation
>morning and eving is enough - later when time permits one can do longer.
The thing is sometime I practice from 2 to 8 hours practicing
diffrent techniques and sometime I just had time for a minimum
practice of one hour. The fact is that in my country life it's not
so easy, i need to work hard to exist.
>I practice tantra meditation as taught by Shrii Shrii Anandamurtiji who found
>Ananda Marga (Path of Bliss). I have six lesson (eg Ista mantra, pranayama,
>dhyana, etc). quite good. done this for 21 yeas without fail.
I admire your perseverence. I have a lessons each week from 5 years
(Cosmic Power like Kali, Tara, etc,asanas, pranayama,colours,
initiation in Svara Yoga system, etc). From 4th year it start a
Kashmir Shaivaism course. It's a lot of study and practice in this
field and I try do apply all I know every moment of my life.
I heard about Ananda Marga.
>Who is the guru?
He is not a famous person.
>On the path of spirituality bhava or ideation is the main factor. Tantra
>explains bha'va as follows, "Bha'va is a mental tendency".
I think it's bhavana, and also this it's well described in shavaism
tradition. (Siva Sutra)
>From your describe I realize we are on the same concept of
spiritual way. I have the same vision about. You need to study and
practice in the same time. If one of them it's weak you became like
a tv (knew a lot, do nothing) or forgot some of your experience
because you didn't understood them.
Bauddha Jnana and Pausrusha Jnana are the names in shaivism
tradition for mental knowledge and practice konwledge.
How far are you on your way. Can you stop you mind an dmeditate in
peace?
Phowa is the amaizing transfer of conscience. Few reference in
Siva shamhita, Tantra sara, Tantraloka. This it's the easyes way to
enlightment. see Shiva shamhita 137, 138, and next.
I wish you a happy Christmas and New Year and a good meditation at
this moments,
Codrin
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