1997/12/20 18:09
kundalini-l-d Digest V97 #846
kundalini-l-d Digest Volume 97 : Issue 846
Today's Topics:
Re: Pacing [ Louis Conjar <lconjarATnospamerols.com> ]
Re: Women & Genius, was Re: Sacred G [ Soulseeks <SoulseeksATnospamaol.com> ]
kundalini [ John Lounsberry <berryATnospamcnwl.igs.net ]
Re: Women & Genius, was Re: Sacred G [ DonBBenson <DonBBensonATnospamaol.com> ]
Re: Women & Genius, was Re: Sacred G [ DonBBenson <DonBBensonATnospamaol.com> ]
Re: Shakti in Photographs [ sassiATnospamworldnet.att.net (Jack) ]
Christmas Tree [ TDVW36AATnospamprodigy.com ( THOMAS SMITH) ]
Re: kundalini-l-d Digest V97 #839 [ "Harsh K. Luthar" <hlutharATnospambryant.e ]
RE: Economic loss / Bill Peay [ destinyATnospamcyberramp.net ]
Re: kundalini [ Susanne Macrae <smacraeATnospamcamtech.net ]
Re: Economic loss / Bill Peay [ DonBBenson <DonBBensonATnospamaol.com> ]
Date: Fri, 19 Dec 1997 19:19:51 -0500
From: Louis Conjar <lconjarATnospamerols.com>
To: danelle t <danelletATnospamhotmail.com>
CC: kundalini-lATnospamexecpc.com
Subject: Re: Pacing
Message-ID: <349B0F27.15CFATnospamerols.com>
danelle t wrote:
>
> Lorianna-
> I too am experiencing a great restlessness. As I have just begun my
> awakening a few months ago I too wondered if this was a symptom. I have
> asked a dear friend of mine who is fully awakened now and she assures me
> it will pass. ;-) The best piece of advice I have recieved was too
> just go with whatever emotion you feel and let it release....trying not
> to question the basis of it. For it might be from another life lived
> before this one. I was told that the cleansing process would bring up
> many emotions i might not understand but that needed to be released. I
> hope this helps ;-)
>
> Blessed Be-
> danelle
> always look within.....thru the clouds of emotion the answers you search
> for can be found.
>
> ______________________
> Get Your Private, Free Email at http://www.hotmail.com
Speaking as someone who has been experiencing constant (literally never
ceasing) Kundalini activity for almost seven years, I can say very
confidently that this kind of activity is definitely a major part of the
purification process. I have been absolutely astounded by the range and
strength of the emotion that is brought to the surface for release. I
assume it will pass, but since it has been non-ceasing for me, I'm only
logically deducing that.
I also can state that much of what has come up seems that it must be
from other lifetimes, perhaps even those lived by "others" (realizing,
as I say this, that there ARE NO OTHERS). When I asked the Power within,
that is what I have been told. I hope this makes sense. As usual, words
are extremely limiting when trying to explain the unexplainable.
--
Louis Conjar - Dynamic Expansion Institute, Inc.
"All Your Spiritual and Financial Needs In One Place"
lconjarATnospamerols.com - http://www.deimarket.com
410-385-9500 - fax 410-654-9587
Date: Fri, 19 Dec 1997 19:47:13 EST
From: Soulseeks <SoulseeksATnospamaol.com>
To: chooseagainATnospamthegrid.net, DonBBensonATnospamaol.com
Cc: kundalini-lATnospamlists.execpc.com
Subject: Re: Women & Genius, was Re: Sacred Geometry
Message-ID: <f4eb7d0b.349b1593ATnospamaol.com>
In a message dated 97-12-19 19:45:01 EST, chooseagainATnospamthegrid.net writes:
<< How many women would emerge as great geniuses if they had wives to feed
them
like that? Suppose Gopi Krishna's wife had been the one with time to
meditate? Would he have waited on her?
I think Gloria Steinem wondered about this kind of thing in that first issue
of MS.
>>
Thanks for the *giggle*, just what I needed!
Be well,
Becky
Date: Fri, 19 Dec 1997 20:34:34 -0500
From: John Lounsberry <berryATnospamcnwl.igs.net>
To: kundalini-lATnospamlists.execpc.com
Subject: kundalini
Message-ID: <349B20AA.749DATnospamcnwl.igs.net>
To further your request for personal experiences with Kundalini. My
K-force is moving.
I believe that those in this position will find themselves in the grip
of the life force, the
force of evolution, there is no question in my mind that the Kundalini
is a physical
symptoms of this mental evolution.
Consider that during this change we have no references to our
new experiences. Our
understanding in our world has been built on our life experiences and
our education.
We seek some point of reference. We read and study the lives, teachings
and books of
these remarkable individuals. We hope to find some truth and guidance to
explain what is
happening to us. If we a fortunate we meet a friend which will help
us on this path,
which is totally unfamiliar. To some of you who look, read, delete,
mock, preach, re-
send, babel and fill my e-mail with things FULLY-UN-RELATED items!!! Try
a vow of
silence!! I am seeking like minded and am willing to put up with the
high level of noise..
I have lived a life of following a higher purpose and I know
there are others out
there that seek a higher purpose. Gopi taught me an important thing,
the factor of grace.
I have followed a life of meditation seeking direction and
clarity of thought (seeing
and feeling the Kundalini energy moving in me!)
I have had many deeply moving experiences clearing and opening chakras
allowing them
to have the prana energy flow in. I have studied Gopi Krishna read all
his books met with
him and spent time with him. Gopi's efforts where to create awareness
of Kundalini and
publish his visions.
I have had most moving awakening take place on August 16
1997 at that point
I changed, all animosity was burnt out of me and I awakened to the fact
of what is real.
After August 16, 1997: I have had a heightened sense of
awareness and a sense of
vision which I cannot explain. I feel an energy flowing in me that must
be released,
sometimes I feel it throbbing in my back mostly the lower spine recently
the upper.
It feels good to talk to someone who may understand this
controlling force that
dominates my life.
-----------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------
Books that I have found of great interest to me.
1/ Author GOPI KRISHNA
- The Awakening of
Kundalini
Published 1975 By;
E.P.Dutton N.Y.
Planted in human beings is a powerful reservoir of psychic energy which,
when roused to
activity in the state of Kundalini, can lead to transcendental states of
consciousness,
genius, and supernormal psychic awareness.
- Higher Consciousness
Published 1974 Julian
Press N.Y.
Gopi Krishna's personal experience: Suddenly, with a roar like that of a
waterfall, I felt a
stream of liquid light entering my brain through the spinal cord... I
felt the point of
consciousness that was myself growing wider, surrounded by waves of
light....
- Kundalini: The
Evolutionary Energy in Man
A description of how he aroused the mysterious Kundalini force, and
achieved that
mystical experience of higher consciousness.
It is worth reading RICHARD MAURICE BUCKE, M.D. for a more
scientific view.
- Cosmic Consciousness
Publisher Dutton
Paperback 1969
In reviewing the mental and spiritual activity of the human race, Dr.
Bucke discovers that
at intervals certain individuals have appeared who are gifted with the
power of
transcendent realization - or Illumination.
I have only recently come on to the mailing list and find the E-MAIL to
large and full of
unrelated empty chit-chat (Please please please) use this network to
learn, grow, and help
each other. To each of you who are truly seeking, Perhaps we will meet
on the path.
John from Canada.
Date: Fri, 19 Dec 1997 21:34:56 EST
From: DonBBenson <DonBBensonATnospamaol.com>
To: chooseagainATnospamthegrid.net
Cc: kundalini-lATnospamlists.execpc.com
Subject: Re: Women & Genius, was Re: Sacred Geometry
Message-ID: <4a99e4a8.349b2ed2ATnospamaol.com>
In a message dated 97-12-19 18:20:01 EST, chooseagainATnospamthegrid.net writes:
<< How many women would emerge as great geniuses if they had wives to feed
them
like that? Suppose Gopi Krishna's wife had been the one with time to
meditate? Would he have waited on her? >>
Agreeable Don says:
Quite right: I have been waiting on my wife for years, and she is
becoming a great genius.
BTW, from knowing the Fullers, Ann and I don't remember Bucky apart from
Anne. There were one. Even so, she had the better part both in their journey
through this life and in their departure. Of course, how you see it depends
on your basic values.
Date: Fri, 19 Dec 1997 21:40:11 EST
From: DonBBenson <DonBBensonATnospamaol.com>
To: SoulseeksATnospamaol.com, chooseagainATnospamthegrid.net
Cc: kundalini-lATnospamlists.execpc.com
Subject: Re: Women & Genius, was Re: Sacred Geometry
Message-ID: <29ff4e2b.349b300dATnospamaol.com>
In a message dated 97-12-19 19:47:13 EST, Soulseeks writes:
<< << How many women would emerge as great geniuses if they had wives to feed
them
like that? >>
Well, since you ask, Gertrude Stein had Alice B. Toklas.
Date: Sat, 20 Dec 1997 05:00:07 GMT
From: sassiATnospamworldnet.att.net (Jack)
To: ori <oriATnospameskimo.com>
Cc: kundalini-lATnospamexecpc.com
Subject: Re: Shakti in Photographs
Message-ID: <34a450cd.131301108ATnospammailhost.worldnet.att.net>
Please don't apologize. I was being sarcastic. Besides, when I read
your message I realized I had already posted my story to the list on
how a certain photo seems to have initiated my awakening.
In breif, I was just surfing and hit a random button ( first time I
had done this ) just for a distraction. It was a news story concerning
this particular person and I didn't find it very interesting. When I
hit the HOME button my browser went to a different site instead of the
home page I use. At this second site was a photograph of the same
person in the news story. At that point I took off on a 25 minute ride
of my life.
Been through quite a few changes both spiritually and physically since
that day last October. And the K-list was my life preserver. Just the
nicest, most intelligent and warmest folks it has been my pleasure to
be acquainted with. I don't subscribe to any particular philosophy or
religion but I still say a little prayer, in my own way, for the list
Mystress everyday. Just as a thank you for maintaining the list.
I still have a copy of that photograph. And I stare at those eyes in
my meditations. Sooner or later I'm hoping her k-phone rings and she's
home to answer it. : )>
What it is.
Jack
Date: Sat, 20 Dec 1997 00:52:21, -0500
From: TDVW36AATnospamprodigy.com ( THOMAS SMITH)
To: carterATnospamshockware.com, kundalini-lATnospamexecpc.com
Subject: Christmas Tree
Message-Id: <199712200552.AAA17066ATnospammime4.prodigy.com>
>>
>> This
>> Christmas
>> end a quarrel.
>> Seek out a forgotten
>> friend. Dismiss suspicion,
>> and replace it with trust....
>> Write a love letter. Share some
>> treasure. Give a soft answer. En-
>> courage youth. Manifest your loyalty in
>> word and deed. Keep a promise. Find the
>> time. Forgo a grudge. Forgive an enemy. Listen.
>> Apologize if you were wrong. Try to understand.
>> Flout envy. Examine your demands on others. Think
>> first of someone else. Appreciate. Be kind; be
gentle
>> Laugh a little. Laugh a little more. Deserve
confidence.
>> Take up arms against malice. Decry complacency. Express
your
>> gratitude. Go to church. Welcome a stranger. Gladden the
heart
>> of a child. Take pleasure in the beauty and wonder of the
earth.
>> Speak your love.
>> Speak it again.
>> Speak it still
>> once again.
>>
Enjoy!
____
I Am not a body.
I Am free.
For I Am still as God created me.
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TO: MZMS43A
Date: Sat, 20 Dec 1997 10:24:45 -0500
From: "Harsh K. Luthar" <hlutharATnospambryant.edu>
To: Kurt Keutzer <keutzerATnospameecs.berkeley.edu>, kundalini-lATnospamlists.execpc.com,
gkiefferATnospamnetaxis.com, heartzenATnospamlistserv.servtech.com,
lodpressATnospamintercomm.com, hlutharATnospambryant.edu
Subject: Re: kundalini-l-d Digest V97 #839
Message-Id: <349BE33D.1204ATnospamacad.bryant.edu>
I am forwarding part of my response to Gloria's personal post to me.
Hopefully it clarifies and soothes injured feelings if there are any out
there.
Dear Gloria,
Thanks for your note. I had seen the posts mentioning Gopi
Krishna
several times and had kept silent. I felt that giving my views would
create some tension; and it did. Gopi Krishna's contribution to the
Kundalini literature is significant and I did not mean to hurt Gene's
feelings. I only wished to point out certain limitations in Gopi
Krishna's interpretations of the Kundalini experience, particularly
since he experienced it in a very unique way. Gopi Krishna had a
fascinating story to tell and he told it very well. However, his story
is a story of *his* kundalini experiences. Others may experience the
Shakti differently. Although I went through a very difficult 3-4 years,
I would hardly tell aspirants that they have to go through it as well in
order to advance spiritually. Everyone has a path that is uniquely their
own. This is something that I like to convey to students..snip......
Best wishes
Harsha
Final comment: It came to me through Gloria that Gene thought Harsha was
23 years old and had not read any of Gopi Krishna's books. This really
made me smile. Things are not always what they appear to be. Best to
remain still and silent. God bless you Gene with peace and joy.
Harsha
Date: Sat, 20 Dec 1997 14:56:03 -0600
From: destinyATnospamcyberramp.net
To: kundalini-lATnospamlists.execpc.com
Subject: RE: Economic loss / Bill Peay
Message-Id: <v03110701b0c1d506e082ATnospam[207.158.83.234]>
Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii"
Ori^ wrote recently in response to a post by Bill Peay :
>The sad thing is, that minute or two could have been spent engaging a real
>>meaningful message, learning about K experiences of others, etc, rather
>than >reading about Jesus Christ, homeopathy, sex, or "I agree." When the
>>signal-to-noise ratio approaches all noise, it ceases to be worth an
>hours time >for a couple of minutes pleasure.
I'm responding to the whole list.
The K experience cannot be seperated, compartmentalized, isolated or
intellectually verbalized from the totality of a person, especially when
the whole of the Spirit and physical life of any person is as complex and
diverse as we all are in the One.
For anyone to believe and proceed with the simplistic understanding that
they have the ability to initiate, control or manipulate the K experience,
I sincerely tell you here and now, you have a wrong understanding and are
truly headed for trouble. If you don't think it can get any worse in your
life, trust me it can. This is why we have Spiritual Guides and Masters on
the other side to work with us at a pace that is healthy on all levels.
The movement of the Serpent of Fire goes through each of your centers and,
like gold being purified, brings up each and ever issue of your
misunderstandings that you formerly held as truth or a tangible part of who
you thought you are.
These realizations, awarnesses and discernments can be troubling,
frightening, mentally unstabling and traumatic. If you are in a family
environment or even living alone, you can experience chaos and disruption,
hurtful relationship events and isolation. The K experience is never to be
taken lightly.
So, when ori^ or Bill Peavy speak of their economics of time management and
of their goal of arriving at the meaningful messages for their couple of
minutes of pleasure, maybe what we have here is a new term being defined
beyond spiritual materialism; perhaps it's 'spiritual yuppies.'
The K-list concerns all issues that the K experience brings up. That's why
I am on this list and choose to read all the messages for their wisdom.
Just my opinion.
Light and Love to All...
John bill beaudine
Date: Sun, 21 Dec 1997 08:40:01 +1030
From: Susanne Macrae <smacraeATnospamcamtech.net.au>
To: John Lounsberry <berryATnospamcnwl.igs.net>
CC: kundalini-lATnospamlists.execpc.com
Subject: Re: kundalini
Message-ID: <349C4239.1F98ATnospamcamtech.net.au>
John Lounsberry wrote:
>
> To some of you who look, read, delete,
> mock, preach, re-
> send, babel and fill my e-mail with things FULLY-UN-RELATED items!!! Try
> a vow of
> silence!!
THEN
> I have had most moving awakening take place on August 16
> 1997 at that point
> I changed, all animosity was burnt out of me
Methinks John you are still embraced in the energy of the August
experience. When you find your feet back on the ground again you will
realise we are ALL seeking. What you find as empty chit chat now may
one day help. Since you have discovered what is Real, you will know
that judgement is not.
With love, sue
Date: Sat, 20 Dec 1997 17:50:17 EST
From: DonBBenson <DonBBensonATnospamaol.com>
To: destinyATnospamcyberramp.net
Cc: kundalini-lATnospamlists.execpc.com
Subject: Re: Economic loss / Bill Peay
Message-ID: <1ca2050a.349c4bacATnospamaol.com>
In a message dated 97-12-20 16:09:55 EST, you write:
<< The K experience cannot be seperated, compartmentalized, isolated or
intellectually verbalized from the totality of a person, especially when
the whole of the Spirit and physical life of any person is as complex and
diverse as we all are in the One.
>>
Right on, Bro' .
As it is written,
(a) And we know that <<all things>> work together for good to those who love
God, to those who are the called according to His purpose. (Romans 8:28 NKJV)
or
(b) And we know that those who love God are helped by him in <<everything>>
for good. George Mamishisho Lamsa (born Mar Bishoo, Kurdistan, August 5,
1892)
Blessed is the man who finds wisdom, and the son of the man who finds
understanding. For the merchandise of it is better than the merchandise of
silver, and its gains than fine gold. Proverbs 3:13-14 Lamsa
To paraphrase Shakespeare, <There's more potential for profit in heaven and
earth and loss in earth and hell than you have dreamed of in your humanistic
time managment, Horatio.>
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