1997/12/18 21:54
kundalini-l-d Digest V97 #844
kundalini-l-d Digest Volume 97 : Issue 844
Today's Topics: Re: [Fwd: Ruth ATnospam Anandajoyti] [ "Harsh K. Luthar" ]
Re: Shakti in Photographs [ M ] Re: Shakti in Photographs [ "Harsh K. Luthar" ]
Re: Shakti in Photographs [ "Paul McDonald, TeleReference LA, M ] Soho Multiversity [ lhorstmaATnospamdirect.ca (Lynn) ]
Xmas Thoughts [ iri ] Re: Shakti in Photographs [ Meadowart ]
Kundalini and Scientific Verificatio [ thomas.reinbergerATnospamt-online.de (Serv ] Re: Working with Spirit [ Lorianna Burkes ]
Re: Enlightenment, Neatness [ amckeonATnospamhsmail.nfld.k12.mn.us ] Re: Enlightenment, Neatness[mini-ran [ valerian ]
Shakti in Photographs [ Kurt Keutzer To: lodpressATnospamintercomm.com
Cc: heartzenATnospamlistserv.servtech.com, kundalini-lATnospamexecpc.com Subject: Re: [Fwd: Ruth ATnospam Anandajoyti]
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Gloria Greco wrote: >
> This communication will help everyone more I'm sure. Gloria > -->
> As yet we have not received any suggestions from Harsh. >
> Sincerely, > Gene Kieffer
Harsha gives up and writes: I have been familiar with Gopi Krishna's
writings (through actually reading his books) for about two decades. I know he suffered greatly. I have a great deal of respect for him,
particularly since I went through a horrific time between the ages of 18 and 21 myself without much guidance or support. Although Gopi Krishna's
account is fascinating, it is not useful for all spiritual aspirant. Most spiritual aspirants, who are serious, and practice in a systematic
way under guidance, with a genuinely selfless teacher will have a normal awakening of the Shakti. A normal awakening is not a cause for alarm.
Gradual and steady progress, with self awareness, sets the foundation for success. Gopi Krishna's account, while authentic, assumes that
others will experience Kundalini awakening in a similar fashion. This is simply wrong. His scathing criticism of Gurus, while understandable in
view of his circumstances, misses the point that it is through the traditional transmission in the context of Guru/disciple relationship
that the practical knowledge of Kundalini has been passed on.
Here in brief is the problem that you face in attempting to research Kundalini on a purely physical basis.
Kundalini can and does manifest in a variety of ways in individuals. To
some it may manifest as light, to others as sound. Still others may become aware of it as primary consciousness. Because of the literally
hundereds of pathways it can take, the physical changes in individuals experiencing kundalini will not be the same. The Samadhis will differ as
well due to Kundalini stimulating different parts of the nervous system and the brain. I have already stated that in many Samadhis, Optical
nerves are stimulated first. In such Samadhis, one will visually see the Kundalini as a huge light. In other Samadhis, the primary experience
will be that of Consciousness.
I do not quite understand what else you want me to say. The topic of Kundalini is best understood through practice.
Harsha
Date: Thu, 18 Dec 1997 12:25:40 -0800 (PST) From: M
To: "Debora A. Orf" Cc: "Harsh K. Luthar" ,
Kurt Keutzer , kundalini-lATnospamlists.execpc.com Subject: Re: CHAT: Santa Tunes & the song in your head phenom
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At 10:00 AM 12/18/97 -0600, Debora A. Orf wrote:
>i still remember the one time my husband & i went to our local ISKCON >(hare krisna) temple & i had a certain mantra going over & over & over &
>over for 2 days! Why cant i get the mantra i'm supposed to be doing to do >that i wonder :)?
>a friend of mine & i had a chuckle about 'songs that pop up when your >trying to meditate' hers was 'all i want for Xmas is my 2 front teeth',
>mine was 'I engineer' by Animotion.
I have decided that, for me anyway, these songs are often messages or gifts
from my higher consciousness and I have found them to be very helpful for inducing peace, providing comfort or encouraging good decision making. When
I feel out of touch with these messages (or other forms of higher info) I listen to rock n roll to sort of 'prime the pump'. If I do not understand
the song/broken record/message and am getting annoyed with hearing it, I tell my Higher Self just that and it usually goes away.
I find the whole process fascinating.
M
Date: Thu, 18 Dec 1997 12:30:15 -0800 (PST) From: M
To: "Paul McDonald, TeleReference LA, Main Info Services" Cc: kundalini-lATnospamexecpc.com
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At 02:41 PM 12/18/97 -0500, Paul McDonald, TeleReference LA, Main Info Services wrote:
>This past weekend I ran across a photo of Swami Muktananda and was compelled >to look into his eyes. I looked at the photo for about two minutes and then
>went into a meditative state. All weekend long I was in this state, often >sleeping a great deal. When I slept I had the sensation of leaving my body
>although I don't recall any visual images. >
>I noticed later that this began with the full moon, and I go in and out of the >state, regardless where I am or what I'm doing, since then.
> >Has anyone had similar experiences? Apparently that photo holds a great deal
>of shakti.
Paul,
what were some positive benefits of doing this? would you recommend it to
others? was it health inducing? did the energies rise? It sounds interesting but not necessariy beneficial and so, I ask............ M
Date: Thu, 18 Dec 1997 16:33:25 -0500 From: "Harsh K. Luthar"
To: "Paul McDonald, TeleReference LA, Main Info Services" Cc: KUNDALINI-LATnospamEXECPC.COM
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For those interested in Photos, the January/Feb 1998 Yoga Journal that
just came out has in it one of the most famous pictures of Ramana Maharishi, the great Sage of Arunachala.
Harsha
Date: Thu, 18 Dec 1997 12:38:02 -0800 (PST) From: M
To: amckeonATnospamhsmail.nfld.k12.mn.us Cc: kundalini-lATnospamexecpc.com
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At 09:24 AM 12/18/97 -0600, amckeonATnospamhsmail.nfld.k12.mn.us wrote: >My father was a Mason. I sometimes wonder if it has cursed me in some way.
>
I always thought positively of Masons because so many of the founders of the USA were Masons and it was the USA that seems to have begun the move toward
democracy on this planet. Not a perfect system, but better than colonialism, totalitarinism, fuedalism, etc. anyway.
M
Date: Thu, 18 Dec 1997 15:41:28 -0500 (EST) From: "Paul McDonald, TeleReference LA, Main Info Services"
To: CHOOSEAGAINATnospamTHEGRID.NET CC: KUNDALINI-LATnospamEXECPC.COM, PAULATnospamlouisville.lib.ky.us
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As far as positive benefits, it felt as if something was happening on a subtle
level. I had a feeling of bliss, but I think you are under the impression that I sought out this experience. The experience itself was spontaneous.
Paul
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Paul,
what were some positive benefits of doing this? would you recommend it to
others? was it health inducing? did the energies rise? It sounds interesting but not necessariy beneficial and so, I ask............ M
Date: Thu, 18 Dec 1997 13:13:51 +0730 From: lhorstmaATnospamdirect.ca (Lynn)
To: kundalini-lATnospamlists.execpc.com Subject: Soho Multiversity
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Dear List,
Can anyone enlighten me on Bhagwan Shree Rajneesh? Thanks
Lynn Date: Thu, 18 Dec 1997 13:54:10 -0800
From: iri To: kundalini-lATnospamlists.execpc.com
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AN ENGINEER'S VIEW OF SANTA CLAUS >
>1) No known species of reindeer can fly. BUT there are 300,000 species of >living organisms yet to be classified, and while most of these are insects
>and germs, this does not COMPLETELY rule out flying reindeer which only >Santa has ever seen.
> >2) There are 2 billion children (persons under 18) in the world. BUT since
>Santa doesn't (appear) to handle the Muslim, Hindu, Jewish and Buddhist >children, that reduces the workload to 15% of the total - 378 million
>according to Population Reference Bureau. At an average (census) rate of >3.5 children per household, that's 91.8 million homes. One presumes there's
>at least one good child in each. >
>3) Santa has 31 hours of Christmas to work with, thanks to the different >time zones and the rotation of the earth, assuming he travels east to west
>(which seems logical). This works out to 822.6 visits per second. This is >to say that for each Christian household with good children, Santa has
>1/1000th of a second to park, hop out of the sleigh, jump down the chimney, >fill the stockings, distribute the remaining presents under the tree, eat
>whatever snacks have been left, get back up the chimney, get back into the >sleigh and move on to the next house.
> >Assuming that each of these 91.8 million stops are evenly distributed
>around the earth (which, of course, we know to be false but for the >purposes of our calculations we will accept), we are now talking about 0.78
>miles per household, a total trip of 71.604 million miles, not counting >stops to do what most of us must do at least once every 31 hours, plus
>feeding etc. This means that Santa's sleigh is moving at 650 miles per >second, 3,000 times the speed of sound. For purposes of comparison, the
>fastest man-made vehicle on earth, the Ulysses space probe, moves at a poky >27.4 miles per second - a conventional reindeer can run, tops, 15 miles per
>hour. >
>4) The payload on the sleigh adds another interesting element. Assuming >that each child gets nothing more than a medium-sized lego set (2 pounds),
>the sleigh is carrying 321,300 tons, not counting Santa, who is invariably >described as overweight. On land, conventional reindeer can pull no more
>than 300 pounds. Even granting that "flying reindeer" (see point #1) could >pull TEN TIMES the normal amount, we cannot do the job with eight, or even
>nine. We need 214,200 reindeer. This increases the payload - not even >counting the weight of the sleigh - to 353,430 tons. Again, for comparison
>- this is four times the weight of the Queen Elizabeth II. >
>5) 353,000 tons traveling at 650 miles per second creates enormous air >resistance- this will heat the reindeer up in the same fashion as
>spacecrafts re-entering the earth's atmosphere. The lead pair of reindeer >will absorb 14.3 QUINTILLION joules of energy per second each. In short,
>they will burst into flame almost instantaneously, exposing the reindeer >behind them, and create deafening sonic booms in their wake. The entire
>reindeer team will be vaporized within 4.26 thousandths of a second. Santa, >meanwhile, will be subjected to centrifugal forces 17,500.06 times greater
>than gravity. A 250-pound Santa (which seems ludicrously slim) would be >pinned to the back of his sleigh by 4,315,015 pounds of force.
> >In conclusion - If Santa ever DID deliver presents on Christmas Eve... he's
>dead now. - ----------------------------
"Christmas Party Planning"
Festivity Level 1: Your guests are chatting amiably with each other, admiring your
Christmas-tree ornaments, singing carols around the upright piano, sipping at their drinks and nibbling hors d'oeuvres.
Festivity Level 2:
Your guests are talking loudly -- sometimes to each other, and sometimes to nobody at all, rearranging your Christmas-tree
ornaments, singing "I Gotta Be Me" around the upright piano, gulping their drinks and wolfing down hors d'oeuvres.
Festivity Level 3:
Your guests are arguing violently with inanimate objects, singing "I can't get no satisfaction," gulping down other peoples' drinks,
wolfing down Christmas tree ornaments and placing hors d'oeuvres in the upright piano to see what happens when the little hammers strike.
Festivity Level 4:
Your guests, hors d'oeuvres smeared all over their naked bodies, are performing a ritual dance around the burning Christmas tree. The
piano is missing. Neighbors have all called 911. Sirens can be heard approaching in the background.
Seriously, you really want to keep your party somewhere around
level 3, unless you rent your home and own firearms, in which case you can go to level 4. The best way to get to level 3 is spiked eggnog.
HELPFUL TIP:
Often bail bondsmen will give you a group rate if you reach Level 4 on at least two consecutive Christmas parties!
------------------------------- To: All Employees
>From: Management >Subject: Office conduct during the Christmas season
> > Effective immediately, employees should keep in mind the following
>guidelines in compliance with FROLIC (the Federal Revelry Office >and Leisure Industry Council).
> > 1. Running aluminum foil through the paper shredder to make tinsel
> is discouraged. > 2. Playing Jingle Bells on the push-button phone is forbidden (it runs
> up an incredible long distance bill) > 3. Work requests are not to be filed under "Bah humbug."
> 4. Company cars are not to be used to go over the river and through > the woods to Grandma's house.
> 5. All fruitcake is to be eaten BEFORE July 25. > 6. Eggnog will NOT be dispensed in vending machines.
> >In spite of all this, the staff is encouraged to have a Happy Holiday.
----------------------- >Christmas Tradition
> _____________ >
>Santa was very cross. It was Christmas Eve and NOTHING was going right. >Mrs. Claus had burned all the cookies. The elves were complaining about
>not getting paid for the overtime they had while making the toys. The >reindeer had been drinking all afternoon and were dead drunk. To make
>matters worse, they had taken the sleigh out for a spin earlier in the >day and had crashed it into a tree.
> >Santa was furious. "I can't believe it! I've got to deliver millions
>of presents all over the world in just a few hours - all of my reindeer >are drunk, the elves are on strike and I don't even have a Christmas
>tree! I sent that stupid Little Angel out HOURS ago to find a tree and >he isn't even back yet! What am I going to do?"
> >Just then, the Little Angel opened the front door and stepped in from
>the snowy night, dragging a Christmas tree. He says "Yo, fat man! >Where do you want me to stick the tree this year?"
> >And thus the tradition of angels atop the Christmas trees came to
>pass........ >---------------------------------------------------------
Date: Thu, 18 Dec 1997 17:53:33 EST From: Meadowart
To: hlutharATnospambryant.edu, PAULATnospamlouisville.lib.ky.us Cc: KUNDALINI-LATnospamexecpc.com
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In the yoga studio I used to attend there were a half dozen pictures of
various yoga masters. I've noticed the same effect you described. Their eyes become more wonderful the longer you look at them. Perhaps it's the shakti of
the long lines of teachings that go back over the years...The light of the teacher does not end when they leave their body.
Date: Thu, 18 Dec 1997 20:36:55 +0100 From: thomas.reinbergerATnospamt-online.de (ServusLan!)
To: Subject: Kundalini and Scientific Verification Methods
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Hi all,
I just read those articles on scientific aspects of the Kundalini. I =
can't really understand your need to verify the Kundalini with = scientific methods. Most scientists won't believe you anyway, and beside =
of that: You all know that it exists and you should find out what it is = good for and why it exists and all those other questions.
For me, there is only one reason why there are always some awakened = people who want scientists to accept the Kundalini and other =
"paranormal" things: It MUST be a feeling like "beeing less worth than = another person" . I am sorry, but english is not my mother tongue, so I =
have to describe what I mean, and I am sure you all know the right word = for that. For me, it does not make any sense to proof/verify a spiritual =
thing with materialistic methods. Why just verify e.g. aspects of a = religion with scientific methods ?? Aspects of a religion must be =
verified with spiritual methods. I don't wanna say, that scientists will = never be able to verify certain phenomenas, but it's really redundant =
because religions verified the existence of this phenomena already 6000 = years before.
That's it. Now read another mail.
;-)
Ciao, Tom
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Date: Thu, 18 Dec 1997 15:46:53 -0800 (PST) From: Lorianna Burkes
To: "Harsh K. Luthar" , Mystress Angelique Serpent
Cc: "Harsh K. Luthar" , Harsh Luthar ,
Susanne Macrae , M , kundalini-lATnospamexecpc.com, kundalini-lATnospamlists.execpc.com
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Harsha wrote: The use of mind > altering drugs can lead to a psychic disaster for some people. Use of
> drugs can also desensitize the nervous system. Higher states of > consciousness are experienced naturally with the awakening of the
> Shakti. There is no point to ingesting mind altering substances. It only
> creates the illusion that one is experiencing something of significance.
Lorianna responds: I have to agree with Harsha on this everyone. When
i go into a meditative state and have visions, etc. I want to know that these are things that i am experiencing without the use of drugs.
I want to experience them as gifts from my Higher Source and not as some illusions induced by drugs. Thanks for the vote there Harsha and
for keeping your stance on this.
Lorianna
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Date: Thu, 18 Dec 1997 15:35:40 PST From: "Susan Carlson"
To: kundalini-lATnospamexecpc.com Subject: retreat
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Dear Friends,
This is my last night of school for the quarter. I am studying
Multimedia and Computer Animation in art school.
Tomorrow starts a vacation for me and I am looking forward to it as a retreat.
I am putting myself on a limited pc diet until starts again.
So I am unsubscribing for a time to seek a personal retreat of renewal
and refreshment.
May your holidays be filled with Peace and with Love.
Blessings, Susan
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I believe it was a photograph that helped initiate my awakening.
Jack
Date: Thu, 18 Dec 1997 19:44:39 -0500 From: acarre
To: "Mailing list (Kundalini)" Subject: Family time!!!
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Dear friends,
It's time for the holidays,
Time to go back to where my "ego" was first forged: my family, and bring more love to the left
shadows and more ecstasy to consciousness.
So see you all after the holidays...
And may grace be in all your actions
Love
Antoine Date: Thu, 18 Dec 1997 19:01:54 -0600
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Lorianna!
What a refreshing post! It gives me great hope that neatniks can change! I thought neatness was one of those things like introversion and extroversion
that are too deeply ingrained in us for one to ever become the other. Welcome to my club of "casual" housekeepers! The more the merrier, I always
say.
And tell Evelyn that she's aces with me. I know a few people I would love for her to visit! Like you said:
"it makes me wonder if they ever hear voices in their heads or have a day dream, or are on a spiritual quest. Undoubtedly, they have nothing more
pressing but to clean..." I wonder that ALL the time. Either that, or they can get by on very little
sleep, in order to fit it all in.
How's that slushpool on your desk doing? I shuffled the piles around on mine a bit today....
Love and light right back atcha,
amckeon Date: Fri, 19 Dec 1997 16:14:32 -0800
From: valerian To: amckeonATnospamhsmail.nfld.k12.mn.us
CC: kundalini-lATnospamexecpc.com Subject: Re: Enlightenment, Neatness[mini-rant]
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amckeonATnospamhsmail.nfld.k12.mn.us wrote: >
> Lorianna! >
> What a refreshing post! It gives me great hope that neatniks can change! I > thought neatness was one of those things like introversion and extroversion
> that are too deeply ingrained in us for one to ever become the other. > Welcome to my club of "casual" housekeepers! The more the merrier, I always
> say. >
> And tell Evelyn that she's aces with me. I know a few people I would love > for her to visit! Like you said:
> "it makes me wonder if they ever hear voices in their heads or have a day > dream, or are on a spiritual quest. Undoubtedly, they have nothing more
> pressing but to clean..." > I wonder that ALL the time. Either that, or they can get by on very little
> sleep, in order to fit it all in. >
> How's that slushpool on your desk doing? I shuffled the piles around on > mine a bit today....
> > Love and light right back atcha,
> amckeon v: oh, thankyou! thankyou!
this is exactly what i need to hear at exactly the right second! when i was in high school & college i was very fast, & won lotsa ribbons
in track. well, now that i am a single underemployed (sorta) mom of another 5
year old dervish, I find myself running instead of walking; yet everywhere i go there is more debris that needs order & cleanliness! how
can this be? how come if a soul cleans for hours & hours & hours nothing ever gets done anyway? either dishes & the laundry or a life a squalor?
what kind of choice is that???? Were we born to be housemaids, or to evolve beyond soul into all
inclusive amoeba-like ameliortion of consciousness & dwell in *pure Divine Love*; or can it be both ways (esp when one disdains both
housework & a disordered squalid existance with equal passion?). when housework becomes a prayer it is magic & someday the magic will
work so we can hire someone like me (who cleans houses on the side) to come in once a week & clean their already clean house (maintenance).
The lady I clean for tomorrow has devoted her life to helping other people live with people with disabilities. She works out of her home, so
the whole time I am cleaning (if she is in town), she is expending the same energy towards eithe the computer, the fax , the one of two phones,
or some combination of them all. And she is *accomplishing good*; and hence she is thriving.
So be it! ;-)
v --
"I remember I was so depressed I was going to jump out a window on the tenth floor.. so they sent a priest up to talk to me. He said.."On your
mark..."
Rodney Dangerfield http://www.geocities.com/SoHo/7982/index.html
Date: Thu, 18 Dec 1997 18:32:05 -0800 (PST) From: Kurt Keutzer
To: KUNDALINI-LATnospamEXECPC.COM Subject: Shakti in Photographs
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Dear Paul - photographs, as well as relics, do seem to be able to link us to the shakti of an individual. As for Swami Muktananda - he certainly had
a great deal of shakti to link to - but there is also an issue of personal connection. I used to have a photo of Swami Rudrananda that, to me,
was highly filled with shakti. Others that I showed it to only saw a pudgy guy. Go figure. Kind Regards, Kurt
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