1997/12/18 08:03
kundalini-l-d Digest V97 #842
kundalini-l-d Digest Volume 97 : Issue 842
Today's Topics:
Re: Palpitations ( off topic) [ "Susan Carlson" <divine_goddessATnospamhot ]
Sharing [ Susanne Macrae <smacraeATnospamcamtech.net ]
temporarily gone [ Am <heidiATnospamadan.kingston.net> ]
Re: Stay on topic and stop chatting! [ Kurt Keutzer <keutzerATnospameecs.berkeley ]
Re: kundalini-l-d Digest V97 #839 [ Kurt Keutzer <keutzerATnospameecs.berkeley ]
Economic loss / Bill Peay [re: Topic [ ori^ <oriATnospameskimo.com> ]
Re: Sacred Geometry [ DonBBenson <DonBBensonATnospamaol.com> ]
No fear? [ DonBBenson <DonBBensonATnospamaol.com> ]
Kundalini-chat-list? [ ori <oriATnospameskimo.com> ]
Re: Working with Spirit [ Mystress Angelique Serpent <mistres ]
Re: quoting [ Richard Wentk <richardATnospamskydancer.co ]
CHAT: Strange Chemistry Re: Sacred G [ "Debora A. Orf" <dorf01ATnospammail.win.or ]
Re: Stay on topic and stop chatting! [ tgxxxATnospamjuno.com (tg langston) ]
Re: The Beautiful and the Divine [ "Harsh K. Luthar" <hlutharATnospambryant.e ]
Re: Working with Spirit [ "Harsh K. Luthar" <hlutharATnospambryant.e ]
Date: Wed, 17 Dec 1997 16:54:51 PST
From: "Susan Carlson" <divine_goddessATnospamhotmail.com>
To: trimbleATnospamhawaii.edu
Cc: kundalini-lATnospamexecpc.com
Subject: Re: Palpitations ( off topic)
Message-Id: <199712180054.QAA10563ATnospamf129.hotmail.com>
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Dear Ruth,
I wrote:
. *** Do not try this
>>without supervision...your heart could stop beating and I wont be
there
>>to start it up again..:-)***
and you said:
>Oh is it that serious.. ? Yikes...!
Actually, it is. In healthy people they will eventually just pass out
and then wake up...a fainting episode.
People with 'diseased' carotids (say from hardening of the arteries)or
heart may not 'wake up'. The natural resilience of the arteries has
been compromised by pathology.
>I was intrigued to note that one of the more important techniques for
>waking up the learning ability in Brain Gym<r> is Brain Buttons where
one
>places ones fingers on some key points just below the collar bone which
>are said to stimulate the carotid arteries. The explanation for this is
>that the stimulation assists the even flow of blood to the brain and
>balances out the blood pressure.
Yes, probably what happens is the arterial smooth muscle walls relax,
the lumen of the artery (lumen is the actual space, the hole) dilates
allowing for more blood to flow into the brain...but this is a back door
approach. Sounds like a parasympathetic nervous system feed back loop.
I have literally watched hundreds of people do Brain Buttons and have
not seen anybody faint...yet. Theoretically, it is possible I suppose.
But the people who are responsible for things like Brain Gym, for
example Patti Steurer who wrote the program, are wonderfully ethical and
careful teachers.
Brain Buttons also work with the lymphatics and the meridians..a complex
holistic reaction. The body is a wonderful hologram of systems.
I find Brain Buttons also wonderfully relaxing, although somewhat
painful because of the stagnant energy I find there in myself. Also
from my sluggish lymphatic flow.
Personally, I like Mae West's advice...'Too much of a good thing can be
wonderful.'
The results I have had with using these
>techniques in my classes is amazing. I have an article on my web site
>below about Brain Gym for anyone interested.
>Ruth
Specialized kinesiology is amazing...looks like a miracle when its done.
Funny how body wisdom can correct our problems when I/we let it.
Blessings,
Susan
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Date: Thu, 18 Dec 1997 11:38:48 +1030
From: Susanne Macrae <smacraeATnospamcamtech.net.au>
To: kundalini-lATnospamexecpc.com
Subject: Sharing
Message-ID: <349877A0.6177ATnospamcamtech.net.au>
John Lounsberry wrote:
> I do not share these feeling with my family and
> those around me.
This is an interesting comment and probably applies to most K recipients
with their non K family and friends.
I have not been able to share my experience with my family. I have
confided in a few spiritual friends who seem quite remote and uneasy
about it (one dear friend disbelieves me).
I have puzzled over this inability to share and wonder if this is the
basis of the secrecy that has recently been discussed on the list.
My holding back doesn't seem to be because I don't want to share but
due to what I anticipate as a lack of understanding or frame of
reference on their part.
I thank God for my partner who is also K awakened. We often laugh about
our conversations as we know eavesdroppers would think we are totally
nuts!
I love the ramblings and assorted opinions on the list. Perhaps others
don't have too many others that you can share the quirky, weird,
wild and different thoughts, feelings and beliefs that come up as a
result of K.
We are a wonderful group of unique people who are experiencing some
amazing changes in our lives. Kundalini is our life and the expression
of all that makes us who we are. Since being a part of this list I have
seem myself change through many beliefs and the cross cultural
discussions have helped enormously.
It isn't just the description of the K experience or some new found
knowledge about K that is of value. It is the companionship, the
bantering, the wisdom, the jokes and the frustrations that make me feel
that I am sharing with friends.
Love you all, sue
Date: Wed, 17 Dec 1997 22:09:32 -0500
From: Am <heidiATnospamadan.kingston.net>
To: kundalini-lATnospamlists.execpc.com
Subject: temporarily gone
Message-Id: <199712180309.WAA32287ATnospamadan.kingston.net>
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I wish to all of you on this list LOVE and PEACE and whatever else turns you
on for the Holidays. But, I MUST, MUST, MUST turn off these floods of
e-mails for the days that I'm gone or my puter will bust. :)
See ya in the NEW YEAR!
Am
Date: Wed, 17 Dec 1997 19:26:31 -0800
From: Kurt Keutzer <keutzerATnospameecs.berkeley.edu>
To: kundalini-lATnospamlists.execpc.com, keutzerATnospameecs.berkeley.edu
Subject: Re: Stay on topic and stop chatting!
Message-ID: <349897E7.21D11518ATnospameecs.berkeley.edu>
> Jenny says:
> I had to drop off the mailing list after a few weeks back in 1996 because thehuge volume of email was too much for me to
> handle. I just re-subscribedto the list and I've been lurking a few days now, and it looks like the sameold problem
Kurt says: As someone who can be distracted by almost any kind of post - IC implants, Vedanta vs. Dzogchen etc. I apologize. I
will try to do better!
> Jenny continues:
> Most of this email volume could be eliminated if people would stick to 2
> simple rules: (1) stay on topic-- that is "Kundalini" and
Kurt says: Thank you! I agree wholeheartedly. There are already multiple usenet newsgroups and listservers devoted to most of
the other topics that recurrently come up here: Buddhism, Vedanta, Christianity etc. In general I think that you will find a
better educated (in the topic) and more responsive readership by posting to these specialized groups.
Now if the *injury* is the lack of staying on the topic of kundalini there are a couple related *insults*.. The first is that
while habit of using one or more of these viewpoints to marginalize the value of kundalini altogether. The second is that
when someone like myself does polling the group on some question on kundalini or related yogic techniques (.e.g what's the
perceived difference between prana and kundalini) knowledgeable individuals don't have time to answer the question but do
find time to deliver yet another critique of the value of the tools and techniques of kundalini yoga. This is very
disappointing. I thank Gloria, Anandajyoti etc. for commenting on my prana vs. kundalini question but I'm disappointed that
Harsh and other vocal members of this group would not take time to do so.
There are a number of positions regarding the role of kundalini in enlightenment. I have tried to reflect the dissenting
positions in my FAQs. If someone would like to post a better summary of the other positions that would be great but I, and I
presume others, read kundalini-l because we think that kundalini is highly relevant to our spirtual progress. Which brings me
to Jenny's second point:
> Jenny continues: (2) post only
> replies of interest to the WHOLE GROUP OF PEOPLE on the mailing list...
> PLEASE send those "back and forth" type of replies directly to each others'
> addresses rather than to the mailing list.
Kurt says: I do not come to kundalini-l looking for a guru. I presume that others do not either. I think the value of these
public media, listservers, newsgroups etc. is to inform. An objective view of one's direct experience is very informative;
using one's experience to invalidate someone elses view is not. Appealing to the teachings of a named teacher with context for
their tradition is informative; simply saying ``my guru said'' is not. Giving specific references to the classical literature
of the great traditions is informative; making nebulous citations to the literature of yoga, Buddhism,or tantra is not.
Nevertheless, I am a kundalini-l fan. It's got a real energy and vitality. Thank you all.
Kurt
Date: Wed, 17 Dec 1997 19:35:49 -0800
From: Kurt Keutzer <keutzerATnospameecs.berkeley.edu>
To: kundalini-lATnospamlists.execpc.com, gkiefferATnospamnetaxis.com,
heartzenATnospamlistserv.servtech.com, lodpressATnospamintercomm.com,
hlutharATnospambryant.edu
Subject: Re: kundalini-l-d Digest V97 #839
Message-ID: <34989A15.88C3ECC1ATnospameecs.berkeley.edu>
> Harsh wrote:
> 2. Gopi Krishna's account is authentic and honest and has validity; it
> also has very serious limitations which are obvious to me due to my
> background.
>
I think what we're hoping for is that you will elaborate your perspective on these limitations. In the absence of this it's
hard for us to gather much insight from your post.
Date: Wed, 17 Dec 1997 19:47:18 -0800
From: ori^ <oriATnospameskimo.com>
To: Kundalini-l <kundalini-lATnospamexecpc.com>
Subject: Economic loss / Bill Peay [re: Topic/Chat]
Message-Id: <3.0.5.32.19971217194718.007e8bc0ATnospammail.eskimo.com>
Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii"
Note the date when this post by Bill Peay originally appeared
on Kundalini-l.
I think it has relevance to the current discussion.
ori^
_____________________________
Date: Friday, 30-Aug-96 11:01 PM
From: Bill Peay
Subject: Economic Loss
[snip]
[Richard wrote:]
>"I have a feeling that the people I will reach with my communication: the
>effective, creative, spiritual, busy people with long experience and good
>knowledges of the k-literature and similar things leave the list after a
>few weeks lurking. The signal-to-noise level is too low for them. They don't
>have the time and patience to select the raisins.
>"(I waste a lot of time erasing all these chat-noises. I erase at a high
>velocity, and do sometimes miss the signal, at least the value of the
>signals is decreased... a kind of hopelessness...)
Have you heard about the concept "economic loss?" It states that when you
choose to do something in life, like read senseless chat for an hour, you
have lost that hour to do something -- anything else. Every time someone
posts an "I agree," comment to the K list, a minute or two of 140 subscribers
[Nov. 97: over 300] lives is sucked up needlessly. The sad thing is, that
minute
or two could have been spent engaging a real meaningful message, learning
about K experiences of others, etc, rather than reading about Jesus Christ,
homeopathy, sex, or "I agree." When the signal-to-noise ratio approaches
all noise, it ceases to be worth an hours time for a couple of minutes
pleasure.
Hopefully a few weeks will give the list enough time for all the necessary
comments to settle down about the current discussion themes, and get
everyone back to K, that is if the posters are serious about helping
everyone keep focused. My thoughts, and hopes, are with everyone on the
K list. It's still a great idea, and there are some real gems posted from
time to time...
Aloha for now,
Bill
PS. Feel free to post this to the list or rephrase the "economic loss"
concept in your own words. Perhaps if people realize that their posting is
requiring the attention of 140 people for a minute or two, a minute or two
for which they will not be able to read other posts, they might stop a
second and think, "is this REALLY important enough to say to the whole
group, or can I simply reply directly to the poster alone..."
ori^ oriATnospameskimo.com ICQ: 2918880
http://www.eskimo.com/~ori/ori.html
Date: Wed, 17 Dec 1997 22:42:30 EST
From: DonBBenson <DonBBensonATnospamaol.com>
To: BohemialATnospamaol.com
Cc: kundalini-lATnospamlists.execpc.com
Subject: Re: Sacred Geometry
Message-ID: <88885bc5.34989ba8ATnospamaol.com>
In a message dated 97-12-17 00:21:15 EST, you write:
<< I would be interested in discussing SACRED GEOMETRY with anyone who has a
similar interest. Don't be shy. >>
Personally, I am not much interested in this subject currently. But, having
been a student of R. Buckminster Fuller in the 1960's and 1970's, I would
recommend his books SYNERGETICS: Explorations in the Geometry of Thinking
(Macmillan, 1975) and SYNERGETICS 2: Further Explorations in the Geometry of
Thinking (Macmillan, 1979). This work grew out of Bucky Fuller's kundalini
awakening experience in 1927. For about two years (1927-29), Bucky Fuller
withdrew from normal business and family activities and lived as a monk in one
room of his apartment in Chicago. His wife, Anne, would slide his meals under
the door. He emerged as one of the great geniuses of the modern world. You
can find these books in most college or university libraries and many public
libraries.
Date: Wed, 17 Dec 1997 22:42:39 EST
From: DonBBenson <DonBBensonATnospamaol.com>
To: kundalini-lATnospamexecpc.com
Subject: No fear?
Message-ID: <59d3e4c6.34989bb2ATnospamaol.com>
In a message dated 97-12-17 02:35:46 EST, divine_goddessATnospamhotmail.com writes:
<< Funny, I know fear not to be real, only love is real and yet there are
times when I feel fear. Where does that belief system come from I ask
myself? My belief system makes fear feel real, with consequences in my
daily life. >>
This statement puzzles me, coming as it does from Susan -- the one who acted
on real love AND real fear as a nurse when she jumped up from her chair and
commanded a doctor to stop inadvertantly killing a patient. (See her previous
post.)
>From time to time, most people with awakened kundalini encounter supernatural
entities, spirits, angels, powers, and principalities that mean to do us harm.
The *Father of lights* (James 1:17) has warned us about these powers of
darkness, and Jesus offers us protection under the shelter of His wings. How
are we to heed His warnings and obtain His protection if we are in denial
regarding the reality of fear. Where does the *denial of fear* belief system
come from?
Recently on NPR, I heard an interview with veteran Mohawk iron and steel
workers who built bridges and sky scrapers. These men command premium wages
throughout the country due to their legendary courage and competence in high
altitude construction work. They scoffed at the idea that Mohawks have no
fear of heights, and said it would be very dangerous for any crew to have a
member who wasn't constantly alert, on some level, to the serious consequences
of a mis-step or careless move. No, they said, we all fear heights. But we
have learned to harness the fear and take pride in our work, because this is
how we are able to make a good living for ourselves and our families and
contribute to the country as a whole.
Is not fear, in this practical sense, a gut-level necessity for any competent
person? How else do parents, spouses, teachers, doctors, nurses, fire and
rescue workers, police, etc. motivate themselves to stop what they are doing,
change what they are doing, or perhaps intervene forcefully when necessary to
avoid unnecessary human pain, suffering, and death? It seems to me that not
all fear is neurotic or psychotic.
I think many children who are trained by sane, loving parents to have healthy
respect for natural, social, and spiritual laws are able to face the real
dangers and challenges of life with the confidence of Mohawk steel workers.
But if a child has New Age parents who declare that <only love is real> and
<fear comes from false belief systems>, how will he or she stay sane in a
world that still contains more than a few drunk drivers, child molesters,
rapists, con artists, murderers, incompetent parachute packers, and demons?
If a child is taught that <fear is unreal>, isn't he or she in danger of being
overwhelmed by <unreal> fears?
Date: Thu, 18 Dec 1997 00:24:51 -0800
From: ori <oriATnospameskimo.com>
To: Kundalini-l <kundalini-lATnospamexecpc.com>
Subject: Kundalini-chat-list?
Message-Id: <3.0.5.32.19971218002451.007e0450ATnospammail.eskimo.com>
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I've heard of a list having *2 sections*
Perhaps it would be a consideration to explore having 2 lists
kundalini-l for Introductions, Stories about K, Questions,
Sharing information
types of sharing for 300+ people
remain self-moderated
kundalini-l-chat--for general discussion,
chat etc of K
People could subscribe to one or both, and both needs would be
met.
I know that the List Mystress has been moving so now won't
be the time to even ask if this is possible. So I plant
this seed of 2 lists now to see what others think.
ori
ori^ oriATnospameskimo.com
http://www.eskimo.com/~ori/ori.html
Date: Thu, 18 Dec 1997 02:39:08
From: Mystress Angelique Serpent <mistressATnospamdomin8rex.com>
To: "Harsh K. Luthar" <hlutharATnospambryant2.bryant.edu>
Cc: Harsh Luthar <hlutharATnospamkeynes.bryant.edu>,
Susanne Macrae <smacraeATnospamcamtech.net.au>, M <chooseagainATnospamthegrid.net>,
kundalini-lATnospamexecpc.com, kundalini-lATnospamlists.execpc.com
Subject: Re: Working with Spirit
Message-Id: <3.0.1.16.19971218023908.2bcfe490ATnospamdomin8rex.com>
Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii"
At 13:43 13/12/97 -0500, Harsh K. Luthar wrote:
>The use of mind altering drugs to experience different states of
>consciousness is dangerous.
Pretty broad statement, considering how many shamanic cultures worldwide
are based on the use of halucinogens and euphorics.. it has even been
speculated that the evolutionary rise of unique human consciousness is
partly due to the consumption of mushrooms.
For some enlightening and amusing thoughts on evidence of cannibas use in
the old testament, goto
http://www.hempbc.com/magazine/mayjune96/kanehbosm.html
It seems Moses' burning bush might have been a pot plant!
It is also recognised locally, that the smell of the incense drifting out
of the temples of "Little India" of a feastday, seems remarkably sweet and
redolantof this ancient aromatic herb.
>>It is noted in the ancient Patanjali's
>Sutras that there are people who experiment with this. However, it can
>lead to a psychic disaster, particularly for people who are pre-disposed
>to the awakening of the Kundalini energy. Certain drugs can prematurely
release the Kundalini in some people
>> who are not prepared for it. This causes hidden anxieties, uncertainties
>> and fears from the unconscious mind to come to the surface.
Well, they do anyway.. I am suspect of "premature" awakenings.. I think
awakenings always happen at the perfect time, and cannot happen without the
consent of the "Higher Self". It is the lower self that doubts the timing.
Spirtual preparation simply means that instead of fearing you are going
crazy, you will know that for sure you are: but with the wisdom to know
that the science coming from spirit is older and wiser than the science
that would pronounce such judgements.
Likewise I am suspect of "Forceful" awakenings.. folks are waking up
everywhere, and it takes what it takes, sometimes K. awakes from NDE's and
UFO abductions, car accidents 12 step addiction recovery and giving birth.
Intensity Is. Every road leads to Goddess.. Life makes sure of it.
>>It becomes
>> difficult to understand and assimilate so much material from the
>> unconscious and hence causes suffering.
The path is easier if one is prepared in advance to surrender to it, but
dfficulties are caused by how we react to the K., not in it's timing, IMHO.
Perhaps they are inseparable, but is seems that even those who go thru the
"proper motions", as you suggest, will still inevitably have Goddess take
them to their limits: coz that is a part of the shaping process.
>>
>> On Wed, 19 Nov 1997, Susanne Macrae wrote:
>> > The "paying attention to my body" and listening to the Kundalini
>> > messages and tuning into the intuitive self were really the most
>> > important things.
>> >
>> > Love, sue
>> >
Absolutely.. and it seems that is often about giving up on
understanding, and focusing on listening, and surrendering to trust, in
what you hear and feel.. Goddess remains too vast complex limitless for us
to ever fully understand.. trying to, expecting to, and failing, is the
most troubling. Understanding drops like a crystal of dew from a leaf, when
it is ready.
Nite, all.. Blessings, Mystress.
Mystress Angelique Serpent,
Dominant Experiential Facilitator.
Website= http://www.domin8rex.com/serpent
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Common sense and a sense of humor are the same thing, moving at
different speeds. A sense of humor is just common sense, dancing.
-- Clive James
^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^
Vancouver, B.C., Canada. Officially the most beautiful city in the world.
Date: Thu, 18 Dec 1997 12:32:37 +0000
From: Richard Wentk <richardATnospamskydancer.com>
To: kundalini-lATnospamlists.execpc.com
Subject: Re: quoting
Message-Id: <3.0.32.19971217231028.007d5970ATnospammail.which.net>
Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii"
At 15:59 17/12/97 -0600, you wrote:
>on the list i am manager for, we all put CHAT in the chatty
>threads, and get our hands slapped for overquoting. :) (not hard)
I hate to be picky about this, but here in the UK we pay for our phone
charges by the minute. That means if someone overquotes it costs us. Not a
lot - but it is an annoyance, and over time it does add up.
So please - when quoting, please do so intelligently and selectively.
Thankyou!
R.
Date: Thu, 18 Dec 1997 07:49:43 -0600 (CST)
From: "Debora A. Orf" <dorf01ATnospammail.win.org>
To: DonBBenson <DonBBensonATnospamaol.com>
cc: BohemialATnospamaol.com, kundalini-lATnospamlists.execpc.com
Subject: CHAT: Strange Chemistry Re: Sacred Geometry
Message-ID: <Pine.GSO.3.96.971218074723.14388C-100000ATnospamwinc0>
Content-Type: TEXT/PLAIN; charset=US-ASCII
On Wed, 17 Dec 1997, DonBBenson wrote:
> In a message dated 97-12-17 00:21:15 EST, you write:
>
> << I would be interested in discussing SACRED GEOMETRY with anyone who has a
> similar interest. Don't be shy. >>
>
>
> Personally, I am not much interested in this subject currently. But, having
> been a student of R. Buckminster Fuller in the 1960's and 1970's, I would
BUCKEYBALLS!!!!!!!!!!!!! Buckminster Fullerines! cool things cool things!
Buckyballs are a new form of chemically bonded carbon atoms into a
spherical molecule. i read about these things all i could when they first
made the discovery.
Fascinating little spheres.
--janpa
Date: Thu, 18 Dec 1997 08:47:29 -0500
From: tgxxxATnospamjuno.com (tg langston)
To: keutzerATnospameecs.berkeley.edu
Cc: kundalini-lATnospamexecpc.com
Subject: Re: Stay on topic and stop chatting!
Message-ID: <19971218.090451.3518.30.tgxxxATnospamjuno.com>
<< I thank Gloria, Anandajyoti etc. for commenting on my prana vs.
kundalini question I'm disappointed that Harsh and other vocal members
of this group would not take time to do so.>>
Morning Kurt...
There is nothing I would like better than to be able to comment on the
topics you bring up, but because of my ignorance of the subjects you
speak of, I simply just read yours & others comments and do my best to
suck in the knowledge from your posts. You seem to have a real awareness
of what is going on with the energies internally, which is a new thing
for me. With my K awakening, I seem to have focused on the external
happenings or the changes to my personality/mind & spirit. I thank you
for your posts that is bringing the new awareness to my mind. Still
waaaay over my head, but I'm doing the best I can do to understand what
you are saying.
(Just wanted you to know that lack of comments doesn't always mean lack
of interest)...
xxxtg
*I just got lost in thought. It was unfamiliar territory*
http://members.aol.com/Teeegeee/tgsplace.html <~~~~~~ on the web now!
Date: Thu, 18 Dec 1997 10:21:12 -0500
From: "Harsh K. Luthar" <hlutharATnospambryant.edu>
To: Kurt Keutzer <keutzerATnospameecs.berkeley.edu>
Cc: kundalini-lATnospamlists.execpc.com
Subject: Re: The Beautiful and the Divine
Message-Id: <34993F68.7B7ATnospamacad.bryant.edu>
Kurt Keutzer wrote:
Snip.....
>
> Harsh and other vocal members of this group would not take time to do so.
Harsha answers: (Note that I am going back to my original and pure name
so that it can be pronounced properly as people read the messages. This
is not meant as an insult to anyone or a put down of any type.).
Dear Kurt or Dearest Kurt as I feel very fond of you (really and truly).
You are such a logical and a serious person that it is funny and I do
not know what to do. I suppose I am bound to disappoint you at times but
hopefully not all the time. For my part, I am a mixed bag. Logical and
serious one minute and totally absurd and non-serious the next. As far
as my answers go, I have given fairly comprehensive answers on
Kundalini, Prana, and Samadhi, based on my own experiences. This is much
more than what you would find in most books. Some of your questions
simply ask for me to repeat what I have already stated previously. In
the near future, I will post my poems on the visions of the Supreme
Goddess (on some Website; maybe I will get one). You may enjoy them.
Come on Kurt. Laugh a little:-)
Harsha
Date: Thu, 18 Dec 1997 10:33:20 -0500
From: "Harsh K. Luthar" <hlutharATnospambryant.edu>
To: Mystress Angelique Serpent <mistressATnospamdomin8rex.com>
Cc: "Harsh K. Luthar" <hlutharATnospambryant.edu>,
Harsh Luthar <hlutharATnospamkeynes.bryant.edu>,
Susanne Macrae <smacraeATnospamcamtech.net.au>, M <chooseagainATnospamthegrid.net>,
kundalini-lATnospamexecpc.com, kundalini-lATnospamlists.execpc.com
Subject: Re: Working with Spirit
Message-Id: <34994240.6577ATnospamacad.bryant.edu>
Mystress Angelique Serpent wrote:
>
> At 13:43 13/12/97 -0500, Harsh K. Luthar wrote:
> >The use of mind altering drugs to experience different states of
> >consciousness is dangerous.
>
> Pretty broad statement, considering how many shamanic cultures worldwide
> are based on the use of halucinogens and euphorics..
Harsha says: I have to stand by my original statement. The use of mind
altering drugs can lead to a psychic disaster for some people. Use of
drugs can also desensitize the nervous system. Higher states of
consciousness are experienced naturally with the awakening of the
Shakti. There is no point to ingesting mind altering substances. It only
creates the illusion that one is experiencing something of significance.
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