1997/12/17 13:10
kundalini-l-d Digest V97 #840
kundalini-l-d Digest Volume 97 : Issue 840
Today's Topics:
Re: Buddha Bashing [ "Debora A. Orf" <dorf01ATnospammail.win.or ]
Re: Buddha Bashing [ "Harsh K. Luthar" <hlutharATnospambryant.e ]
Re: Kundalini and Science [ "Susan Carlson" <divine_goddessATnospamhot ]
Re: Thanks for warning me. [ "Susan Carlson" <divine_goddessATnospamhot ]
Albert Einstein quotes [ Solar Lion <gtaATnospamcwnet.com> ]
maitreya FYI [ "Debora A. Orf" <dorf01ATnospammail.win.or ]
Re: maitreya FYI [ "Debora A. Orf" <dorf01ATnospammail.win.or ]
Albert Einstein Quotes [ Solar Lion <gtaATnospamcwnet.com> ]
More quotes (was RE: Albert Einstein [ Mike Stickles <msticklesATnospamantalys.co ]
Palpitations [ Ruth Trimble <trimbleATnospamhawaii.edu> ]
Re: Kundalini & Science (Sorry Long) [ Gloria Greco <lodpressATnospamintercomm.co ]
Date: Wed, 17 Dec 1997 09:34:58 -0600 (CST)
From: "Debora A. Orf" <dorf01ATnospammail.win.org>
To: kundalini-lATnospamlists.execpc.com
Subject: Re: Buddha Bashing
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On Wed, 17 Dec 1997, Susan Carlson wrote:
>
> This subject always fascinates me..how individual awakenings impact home
> life.
indeed its something i struggle with. believe i can understand why
Shakyamuni left home. or at least i like to think i can. Last summer all
i really really wanted to do was park it under a tree or in a cave near my
teacher and figure it all out. I had to leave his temple tho and come back
home. i felt 1) lousy at myself for feeling that way, how can i leave my
family, 2) selfish. why not give my life for all sentient beings.
> My k awakening led me to live 3,000 miles from my family...two months
> later. I started a totally different career. Left all my furniture, car,
> my job, my bills, my responsibiilites, my friends, all my personal
> possessions...and took what I could in two suitcases and left town. I
> even left my dog, Frosty....sigh (I was 34).
wow! i *almost* moved 800 miles away. something also told me to stay too.
Leave, but stay. Leave behind any ideas i had for the rest of my life, but
stay home too.
> Now I want to 'shine' where I live, in the now...not somewhere else
> where perchance, in my perception, in might be easier.
me 2!
> Again, the old cautions, is true joy and happiness something that is
> found without myself, outside myself?
when outside turns inside
and inside turns out
one wonders if inside
was outside
and inside
was out!
--janpa
Date: Wed, 17 Dec 1997 11:40:43 -0500
From: "Harsh K. Luthar" <hlutharATnospambryant.edu>
To: "Debora A. Orf" <dorf01ATnospammail.win.org>
Cc: kundalini-lATnospamlists.execpc.com
Subject: Re: Buddha Bashing
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Debora A. Orf wrote:
>> when outside turns inside
> and inside turns out
>
> one wonders if inside
> was outside
> and inside
> was out!
>
> --janpa
Beautifully put. No inside. No outside. Only love all around.
Harsha
Date: Wed, 17 Dec 1997 07:51:20 PST
From: "Susan Carlson" <divine_goddessATnospamhotmail.com>
To: kundalini-lATnospamexecpc.com
Subject: Re: Kundalini and Science
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Dear Sharon,
You wrote:
>It is very interesting what you say about increased heartbeats. My
mother
>suffered from Wolfe-Parkinson syndrome (sp) and one of the symptoms of
this
>was heart palpataions - sometimes for days on end.
Since I no longer have access to my textbooks and journals I cant be
absolutely sure about some things.
Heart palpitations feel like increased heartbeats...often times they are
actually dropped heart beats. Wolfe Parkinson-White syndrome (WPW) is a
form of heart block...where the heart rate slows down for several beats
and then stops beating for a second or two. The electrical impulses from
the natural pacemaker in the upper heart are blocked for some reason.
If its a serious enough problem...ie symptomatic so much it interferes
with your life..it is usually treated by a pacemaker implantation.
I think its an electrical problem related to structure in the heart
rather than a disease process. (At least most of the time.)
Dont know about surgical treatment by 'removal' of the
problem...although I would not be surprised.
>she no longer had a pulse that could be detected if you felt the point
on
>her neck. She was showing a doctor this one day and he was horrified.
>(grin).
If it is her carotid artery, I would not be surprised he was
horrified..it is the conduit for the primary blood flow to the brain.
Shut one of those off and one hemisphere of the brain has not much blood
supply. (At least has to be shut off for 10 minutes before any damage
occurs...and the person would have been unconscious almost immediately).
>But it seems that this condition is hereditary and I feel that I may
have it
>too as I have experience mild heart palpatations on a few occasions but
only
>while lying down with my hands stretched above my head - weird.
Just so you know heart palpitations can be an extremely benign thing..we
all have dropped heart beats and extra heart beats all the time. Its
whether of not these become symptomatic...disrupt your life..is when
they should be treated.
Often times...this is a symptom of anxiety and fear. This is why
mediation and working with K is so helpful. :)
Blessings,
Susan
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Date: Wed, 17 Dec 1997 08:21:45 PST
From: "Susan Carlson" <divine_goddessATnospamhotmail.com>
To: kundalini-lATnospamexecpc.com
Subject: Re: Thanks for warning me.
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Dear Don,
You wrote:
> But if you suddenly came up and hugged me without warning, I would
>probably think <Mmmmm. She smells good.> and start nibbling on your
ear. Then
>as you disentangled yourself in shock and horror and deep hurt, a
hundred of
>your K-sisters would instantly arrive from around the world and beat me
to a
>pulp in your defense. And then I would be slapped with a host of
criminal and
>civil charges and penalties resulting from my harassment of and assault
on
<Snip>
my goodness Don, what color is the sky you live under?....<grin>
It always amazes me when I meet people who are trying to 'dare' people
into loving them. 'you can't love me...I wont let you'. :)
Maybe you should have a surgeon general's warning tatooed on your
forehead....'love me at your own risk'.
blessings,
Susan
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Date: Wed, 17 Dec 1997 09:26:45 -0800
From: Solar Lion <gtaATnospamcwnet.com>
To: kundalini-lATnospamlists.execpc.com
Subject: Albert Einstein quotes
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Albert Einstein Quotes
On Knowledge
- "Any intelligent fool can make things bigger, more complex, and
more violent. It takes a touch of genius -- and a lot of courage
-- to move in the opposite direction."
- "Imagination is more important than knowledge."
- "The only real valuable thing is intuition."
- "Everything should be made as simple as possible, but not
simpler."
- "Common sense is the collection of prejudices acquired by
age eighteen."
- "The secret to creativity is knowing how to hide your sources." -
"The only thing that interferes with my learning is my education." -
"The important thing is not to stop questioning. Curiosity has its
own reason for existing."
His Understanding of the World:
- "I want to know God's thoughts; the rest are details."
- "The hardest thing in the world to understand is the income tax."
- "I am convinced that He (God) does not play dice."
- "The eternal mystery of the world is its comprehensibility."
- "Weakness of attitude becomes weakness of character."
- "Science without religion is lame. Religion without science is
blind."
- "Peace cannot be kept by force. It can only be achieved by
understanding."
- "The most incomprehensible thing about the world is that it is
comprehensible."
- "Two things are infinite: the universe and human stupidity; and
I'm not sure about the universe."
- "Whoever undertakes to set himself up as a judge of Truth and
Knowledge is shipwrecked by the laughter of the gods."
- "I know not with what weapons World War III will be fought, but
World War IV will be fought with sticks and stones."
- "In order to form an immaculate member of a flock of sheep one
must, above all, be a sheep."
- "Not everything that counts can be counted, and not everything that
can be counted counts." (Sign hanging in Einstein's office at
Princeton)
On People and Life:
- "Reality is merely an illusion, albeit a very persistent one."
- "A person starts to live when he can live outside himself."
- "I never think of the future. It comes soon enough."
- "Sometimes one pays most for the things one gets for nothing."
- "Anyone who has never made a mistake has never tried anything
new."
- "Great spirits have often encountered violent opposition from
weak minds."
- "Gravitation is not responsible for people falling in love."
- "No, this trick won't work...How on earth are you ever going to
explain in terms of chemistry and physics so important a
biological phenomenon as first love?"
- "My religion consists of a humble admiration of the illimitable
superior spirit who reveals himself in the slight details we
are able to perceive with our frail and feeble mind."
- "The release of atom power has changed everything except our way
of thinking...the solution to this problem lies in the heart of
mankind. If only I had known, I should have become a watchmaker."
- "Great spirits have always found violent opposition from
mediocrities. The latter cannot understand it when a man does not
thoughtlessly submit to hereditary prejudices but honestly and
courageously uses his intelligence."
- "The most beautiful thing we can experience is the mysterious.
It is the source of all true art and all science. He to whom
this emotion is a stranger, who can no longer pause to wonder and
stand rapt in awe, is as good as dead: his eyes are closed."
- "Now he has departed from this strange world a little ahead of
me. That means nothing. People like us, who believe in physics,
know that the distinction between past, present, and future is
only a stubbornly persistent illusion."
- "You see, wire telegraph is a kind of a very, very long cat.
You pull his tail in New York and his head is meowing in Los
Angeles. Do you understand this? And radio operates exactly
the same way: you send signals here, they receive them there. The
only difference is that there is no cat."
- "A human being is a part of a whole, called by us _universe_,
a part limited in time and space. He experiences himself, his
thoughts and feelings as something separated from the rest... a
kind of optical delusion of his consciousness. This delusion is a
kind of prison for us, restricting us to our personal desires and
to affection for a few persons nearest to us. Our task must be to
free ourselves from this prison by widening our circle of
compassion to embrace all living creatures and the whole of nature
in its beauty."
On Math and Science and Education:
- "Science is a wonderful thing if one does not have to earn one's
living at it."
- "God does not care about our mathematical difficulties. He
integrates empirically."
- "The whole of science is nothing more than a refinement of
everyday thinking."
- "Technological progress is like an axe in the hands of a
pathological
criminal."
- "We can't solve problems by using the same kind of thinking we
used when we created them."
- "Education is what remains after one has forgotten everything he
learned in school."
- "Do not worry about your difficulties in Mathematics. I can assure
you mine are still greater."
- "Equations are more important to me, because politics is for the
present, but an equation is something for eternity."
- "If A is a success in life, then A equals x plus y plus z.
Work is x; y is play; and z is keeping your mouth shut."
- "As far as the laws of mathematics refer to reality, they are not
certain, as far as they are certain, they do not refer to
reality."
- "Yes, we have to divide up our time like that, between our
politics and our equations. But to me our equations are far more
important, for politics are only a matter of present concern. A
mathematical equation stands forever."
- "...one of the strongest motives that lead men to art and science
is escape from everyday life with its painful crudity and
hopeless dreariness, from the fetters of one's own
ever-shifting desires. A finely tempered nature longs to escape
from the personal life into the world of objective perception and
thought."
- "Put your hand on a hot stove for a minute, and it seems like an
hour. Sit with a pretty girl for an hour, and it seems like a
minute. THAT'S relativity."
Date: Wed, 17 Dec 1997 11:37:28 -0600 (CST)
From: "Debora A. Orf" <dorf01ATnospammail.win.org>
To: kundalini-lATnospamlists.execpc.com
Subject: maitreya FYI
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>From a webpage taken from a teaching by Lama Zopa Rinpoche.
http://www.marsweb.com/~osel/LYWA/maitreya.html
DonB asked about Maitreya, this is one tale.
--janpa
Date: Wed, 17 Dec 1997 11:42:53 -0600 (CST)
From: "Debora A. Orf" <dorf01ATnospammail.win.org>
To: kundalini-lATnospamlists.execpc.com
Subject: Re: maitreya FYI
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On Wed, 17 Dec 1997, Debora A. Orf wrote:
> From a webpage taken from a teaching by Lama Zopa Rinpoche.
umm... make that Venerable Lama Thubten Yeshe
so much for mindfulness.
--debora a. orf
--dorf01ATnospammail.win.org
"do not permit the events of your daily life to bind you, but never
withdraw yourself from them"--Zen saying
Date: Wed, 17 Dec 1997 09:59:02 -0800
From: Solar Lion <gtaATnospamcwnet.com>
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Subject: Albert Einstein Quotes
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Albert Einstein Quotes
here is another one:
Our time is distinguished by wonderful achievements in the fields of
scientific
understanding and the technical applications of those insights. Who
would not be
cheered by this? But let us not forget that knowledge and skills alone
cannot
lead humanity to a happy and dignified life.Humanity has every reason
to place the proclaimers of high moral standards and values above the
discoverers of objective truth. What humanity owes to personalities
like Buddha, Moses and Jesus ranks for me higher than all the
achievements
of the enquiring and constructive mind. What these blessed men have
given
us we must guard and try to keep alive with all our strength if humanity
is not to lose its dignity, the security of its existence, and its joy
in living.
Albert Einstein
quoted from ' The Portico ' Autumnal Equinox 1997 Builders of the
Adytum - Vol. V Number 2
Date: Wed, 17 Dec 1997 13:33:57 -0500
From: Mike Stickles <msticklesATnospamantalys.com>
To: kundalini-lATnospamlists.execpc.com
Subject: More quotes (was RE: Albert Einstein Quotes)
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A couple of my favorite quotes RE: technology/science and religion/moral
values:
----------------------------------------
We have grasped the mystery of the atom and rejected the Sermon on the
Mount.
- Omar Bradley (American general, 1893-1983)
As soon as questions of will or decision or reason or choice of action
arise, human science is at a loss.
- Noam Chomsky
Do not confuse biology and religion - one is a science to be proved or
disproved, the other is a life to be lived.
- Quintin Hogg (English merchant, founder of the Royal Polytechnic
Institute, 1845-1903)
True science and true religion are twin-sisters, and the separation of
either from the other is sure to prove the death of both. Science
prospers exactly in proportion as it is religious; and religion
flourishes in exact proportion to the scientific depth and firmness of
its bases.
- T. H. Huxley (British biologist, writer, 1825-1895)
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And a few more miscellaneous ones from Einstein:
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An empty stomach is not a good political advisor.
Only a life lived for others is a life worth while.
Whoever is careless with the truth in small matters cannot be trusted
with important matters.
I have never looked upon ease and happiness as ends in themselves - such
an ethical basis I call more proper for a herd of swine. The ideals
which have lighted me on my way and time and time again given me new
courage to face life cheerfully, have been Truth, Goodness and Beauty.
The Lord God is subtle, but malicious he is not.
Never do anything against conscience even if the state demands it.
Try not to become a man of success, but rather try to become a man of
value.
Perfections of means and confusion of goals seem - in my opinion - to
characterize our age.
For an idea that does not at first seem insane, there is no hope.
How do I work? I grope.
There are only two ways to live your life. One is as though nothing is a
miracle; the other is as though everything is a miracle.
- Mike
Date: Wed, 17 Dec 1997 08:59:53 -1000
From: Ruth Trimble <trimbleATnospamhawaii.edu>
To: kundalini-lATnospamlists.execpc.com
Subject: Palpitations
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Hi RE: this post>>
For atrial fibrillation (extremely rapid heartbeats greater than 140
>beats a minute for a prolonged period of time) treatment at times was a
>non-pharmological technique...massaging the carotid arteries in the
>neck. This stimulated the baroreceptors...sites sensitive to pressure
>in the arterial walls...to lower the heart rate. When heart rate was
>lowered, blood pressure also lowered to decompensate for easier blood
>flow ( it was at least hoped so this would happen). *** Do not try this
>without supervision...your heart could stop beating and I wont be there
>to start it up again..:-)***
Oh is it that serious.. ? Yikes...!
I was intrigued to note that one of the more important techniques for
waking up the learning ability in Brain Gym<r> is Brain Buttons where one
places ones fingers on some key points just below the collar bone which
are said to stimulate the carotid arteries. The explanation for this is
that the stimulation assists the even flow of blood to the brain and
balances out the blood pressure. The results I have had with using these
techniques in my classes is amazing. I have an article on my web site
below about Brain Gym for anyone interested.
Ruth
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Love allows freedom. Drop the idea that attachment and love are the same
thing. They are enemies. It is attachment that destroys love. (Osho)
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Date: Wed, 17 Dec 1997 11:17:43 +0100
From: Gloria Greco <lodpressATnospamintercomm.com>
To: anandajyoti <anandajyotiATnospamgeocities.com>
CC: heartzenATnospamlistserv.servtech.com, "Harsh K. Luthar" <hlutharATnospambryant.edu>,
Gene Kieffer <gkiefferATnospamnetaxis.com>, smacraeATnospamcamtech.net.au,
kundalini-lATnospamexecpc.com
Subject: Re: Kundalini & Science (Sorry Long)
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anandajyoti wrote:
>
> Gloria Greco wrote:
>
> > Harsh K. Luthar wrote:
> > >
> > >
> > > > Gene Kieffer wrote:
> > > > >
> > > > > Dear Gloria and Sue,
> > > > >Snip...
> > >
> > >Gloria:
> > Glad you joined into the conversation Anandajyoti, I think it could be a meaningful discussion with everyone really working from love and good will to the other.
> >
> > > Harsha says: Gopi Krishna had a unique Kundalini experience and went
> > > through powerful psychological traumas but has very little to offer to
> > > the spiritual aspirant.
>
> Anandajyoti> The contents of the subject may have indeed created some illusion.I find it very
> interesting of the various perspectives here. There is some sense on
> Harsha's saying. The psychological traumas also do occur in many aspirants.
> One of my brother disciples, was doing meditation on a corpse, The Sava Sadhana
> according to Tantrik rites. He had suffered such a volcanic eruption, during his practice
> that the awakened Kundalini in full force, brought about all his past life experiences to the
> fore
> and he could hardly bear the trauma caused by it. Out of fear or guilt, his tongue came out,
> full length, and he experienced extreme burning sensations all over his body.,
> Psychologically he was ill prepared, and as a result, he passed out. Then after three days,
> he passed out of his body too.
> These traumas do offer us the ability to know , what we must guard against in the Kundalini
> Practice. It allows us to prepare ourselves, psychologically, emotionally, mentally, to stay in
> appropriate balance, to bear the full awakening of the Kundalini.
> It is imperative for all of us to get rid of our innermost hidden aspects, and become free from
> their traumatic influences , as if eating our vitals. When we prepare ourselves, truthfully
> honestly, and clear our mental closet, then the awakened Kundalini, can be beneficial in our
> growth and spiritual development.
Gloria:
Yes, I can see you can through will activiate things you may not be
prepared for, this is why I teach so much getting beyond the self will
and leaving it to the higher self to gage the progress and what the
soul/spirit, and body, mind is ready for. Of course, where one has a
teacher, he/she will keep close attention on what is happening inside
and out.
>
> >
> >
> > > > >Gene wrote:
> > > > > > > For the past thirty (30) years, the Kundalini Research Foundation has
> > > > > been "preaching" this doctrine of Urdhava-retas with very little results in
> > > > > terms of acceptance.
> > > Harsha says: The concept of Urdhava-retas predates Gopi Krishna by
> > > several thousand years. Every advanced student of Yoga knows about it
> > > and knew about it long before Gopi Krishna came on the scene and started
> > > his Crusade.
> >
>
> Anandajyoti>I think what Gene wrote is based on the research of the KRN. I would ask how many
> of us really want to or desire to be Urddhva Retas? 95 percent or could be more who
> desire happiness and pleasures in life through any means available, be it The kundalini,
> or Yoga, or any other method. The method is immaterial. It is the objective we wish to fulfill,
> what counts.
> But there are people who practice to be Urddhva Retas, not for the fun of it, but to know,
> what it is all about, and find out how they can apply to it to their daily lives.
> In the physical sense, Urddhva Retas is abstention from sexual activity. Buy if the mind is full
> of it,
> then the physical abstention would do little benefit, to us psychologically or mentally or even
> emotionally.. Our pain and pleasures are experienced in our minds. The physical organs are
> just the medium of action and sensory or motor impulses in the brain.
> In my humble view to be Urrdhva Retas is taking the roots of lust in our minds and transmuting
> them
> in to real love. That expression of love could be impersonal too. So we must in all sincerity,
> search
> and look in to the very depths of our conscious and subconscious, in order to have the full
> benefits of Kundalini Awakening, in this very life term.
Gloria:
Good point, many don't have their focus on enlightenment at all or
doing God's Will, it is still that desire from self running the show.
This is why there is so much reaction to turning over and letting go all
of the desires, etc. Certainly few are ready to turn over their sex
drive, so again an important point here.
>
Note:> > >Harsha: Gloria, this wasn't from Harsha, it was from Gene:
> > > > > The New Age Movement is guru-driven. Think about this for a moment.
> > > > > The gurus do the thinking, the disciples do the listening. What the guru
> > > > > says is everything. If the guru doesn't want the disciple to know about
> > > > > Urdhava-retas, then the disciple will forever remain in the dark.
>
> > Anandajyoti>
>
> Although I agree to a point what Harsha says here, yet I would think that a spiritualhunger, has
> come to the West, in this millennium. And it is quite natural. The West has
> experienced the onslaught of all life's amenities, the glorious economic development,
> the market economy, the freedom of speech, woman's liberation from the closets,
> the material prosperity. But yet many millionaires and billionaires face that hunger,
> that something very dear , very deep is missing from their lives. The inner consciousness
> of this separation, from something very vital to human nature, is missing from their equation.
> They cannot define it themselves, so they go after the Guru's of the New Age, to find that.
> There is nothing wrong in here. It is just an experience of going through the spurious
> to know the real. Time will also bring that consciousness in the Western world, as more
> people become spiritually inclined in the truest sense of it.
> The East had done it for thousands of years, but they lacked the physical prosperity,
> which the East has turned towards now. But for the Easterners, the base is already prepared,
> for the past thousands of years. Here also there is no right or wrong, as to why and
> how this happened.Through the dialogs between people from the East and the West, and in mutual
> sharingwill dawn the real New age of understanding, love, compassion without any strings.
> I wish I live to that time to see , feel it and know it for sure.
> Glorious are the ways of the Divine Mother, and the play of her Universal Consciousness,
> with the individual, minuscule consciousness of us as individuals.
Gloria:
Yes, I agree with you all around, this is only a step on the ladder and
it will take the west some time to turn that upstairs light on. However,
what tends to happen here is when a realization is centered in, that
drive takes over and many will transcend so much just by their ability
to focus. Westerns have learned how to be one pointed, when they put
that focus on God, stand back the world will change fast. Here, I don't
mean the God of religion or churches, but rather the God within the
heart center. Once that awareness comes through it will be very fast for
many.
>
> > > Harsha Says: <snipped>
> > > Gene:
> > > > > Most New Age people have a very difficult time accepting the fact that
> > > > > Kundalini has always been a jealously guarded secret.
>
> Anandajyoti>
> Kundalini was a guarded secret for reasons of the physical, psychological and
> emotional health of the society. It may as well be that , that was the way it was supposed
> to be done, in the old days. If its still guarded then so be it, but for those who are so
> inclined, I strongly believe, opportunities would come their way to know more about, whether
> first, or second hand. But it will come., may be not through the internet.
>
> > >
> > >
> > > Harsha says again: These concepts have been in the public domain of
> > > thousands of years. Gopi Krishna did not invent them. Gopi Krisha's
> > > experience was rather limited. The fact that he did not have much
> > > guidance led him to become a crusader about a phenomena that he felt he
> > > was uniquely experiencing.
>
> Anandajyoti>Yes , the concepts have been in the public domain, just like the books on the
> library,
> but how many amongst the six billion people of the planet, look for such information?
> It is true that Gopi Krishna did not invent it, but writing of his experiences, has also
> allowed the world to know it from his perspective. We cannot deny that credit to
> Gopi Krishna, or any other for that matter. Can we? It is also true, that Gopi Krishna never
> sought the guidance available even in his time. But that was his choice, I would say.
> Yes I agree, that Gopi Krishna's experience of the K phenomena, was not unique but may
> have been unique in his perspective. So be it. No trouble of any argument there. He believed
> what he believed through his experience. I don't find anything wrong there either.
Gloria:
And, in his experience & his mission he felt was to bring awareness of
evolution through kundalini... being that spirit force that would really
change the world from the inside out. Gene really was responsible for
getting many books and people together in helping with this. This is why
I do believe this discussion is important.Gene also has been an
important person to bring it out to the west.
>
> > >Gene>or Harsha>(This is Gene:
> > > >> > Once Urdhava-retas occurs, the subject can then blossom into a genius,
> > > > > a poet, a world-teacher. That is really what Kundalini is all about.
> > > > > But this knowledge is being withheld for political and religious reasons.
> > >
> > -Anandajyoti>
>
> I agree with Harsha./ Gene here, there are people who are Urddhva reties from birth, some
> achieveit some have it thrust upon them. That is the play of the Maha Maya, the Divine Mother.
> Acceptance of all, and recognizing each for their part, is the key to harmony amongst all, for we
> are all
> children of the same Divine.
> It reminds me of an old Gaelic song:
> "Do you see, what I see, Do you hear what I hear"
>
> Anandajyoti.
Gloria:
Yes, I do, and thanks for sharing.
>
> http://www.geocities.com/Athens/Forum/6782
> or
> http://personal.smartt.com/~indra.
>
> >
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