1997/12/16 14:30
kundalini-l-d Digest V97 #836
kundalini-l-d Digest Volume 97 : Issue 836
Today's Topics:
Re: Kundalini & Science [ Gloria Greco <lodpressATnospamintercomm.co ]
Re: God and I [ "Harsh K. Luthar" <hlutharATnospambryant.e ]
Re: Short Rant: Young people today! [ DonBBenson <DonBBensonATnospamaol.com> ]
Myth mini-rant (was RE: Bible slammi [ Mike Stickles <msticklesATnospamantalys.co ]
Re: Short Rant: Young people today! [ sassiATnospamworldnet.att.net (The Lesser ]
Re: Bible slamming [ sassiATnospamworldnet.att.net (The Lesser ]
Re: Short Rant: Young people today! [ "Debora A. Orf" <dorf01ATnospammail.win.or ]
grounding probs... [ "danelle t" <danelletATnospamhotmail.com> ]
Re: Kundalini & Science [ "Harsh K. Luthar" <hlutharATnospambryant.e ]
Re: Myth mini-rant (was RE: Bible sl [ sassiATnospamworldnet.att.net (The Lesser ]
Re: God and I [ sassiATnospamworldnet.att.net (The Lesser ]
Who is this GOD! [ Ruth Trimble <trimbleATnospamhawaii.edu> ]
RE: Myth mini-rant (was RE: Bible sl [ Mike Stickles <msticklesATnospamantalys.co ]
Date: Tue, 16 Dec 1997 10:10:49 +0100
From: Gloria Greco <lodpressATnospamintercomm.com>
To: Gene Kieffer <gkiefferATnospamnetaxis.com>
CC: smacraeATnospamcamtech.net.au, heartzenATnospamlistserv.servtech.com,
kundalini-lATnospamexecpc.com
Subject: Re: Kundalini & Science
Message-ID: <34964598.1928ATnospamintercomm.com>
Gloria:
Thanks for sharing this, I'm sending it on to the lists so that people
will understand where you are coming from with the question we posed.
And perhaps something will come through the discussion to help clarify
this.
Gene Kieffer wrote:
>
> Dear Gloria and Sue,
>
> Gopi Krishna was tested briefly at the Max Planck Institute for
> Life Sciences at Starnberg, Germany, but since the scientist there
> knew very little about Kundalini, they had not developed a theory
> nor procedure. All they could determine with their electronic
> apparatus is that something unusual, unexpected was under way.
>
> Gopi Krishna died July 31, 1994, in Srinagar. Nobody was prepared
> to do anything with the body of a scientific nature. The KRN was
> not yet established, and even if it had been, there are no scientists
> connected with the KRN who has any concept of what Kundalini really
> is from a scientific point of view.
>
> To compound matters, when Gopi Krishna died, there was an airline
> strike in India and no flights were permitted, so none of his sons and
> daughters were able to get from New Delhi to Srinagar. Therefore, in
> accordance with Hindu tradition--even though Gopi Krishna was universal
> in his beliefs--his body was cremated, and Dr. Karan Singh, former
> Maharaja of Kashmir, gave the eulogy.
>
> Gopi Krishna's firm conviction, after observing his own physiological
> processes for more than 45 years, was that the only practical way to
> scientifically verify Kundalini was to do so at the time of the awakening
> and for a period of several months afterwards.
>
> 1. It would have to be a spontaneous, full awakening. We must
> emphasize the word "FULL" or forceful awakening, because anything short
> of a forceful, full awakening would be extremely difficult to verify
> from a scientific point of view.
>
> 2. There would be a number of radical changes triggered at the time
> of a full awakening, including metabolic changes, that science could
> easily observe. But, since science is unwilling to accept anything
> conncected with the spirit, even psychic phenomena, the metabolic changes,
> and the changes in the blood, spinal fluid, etc., would not be sufficient
> to convince the skeptics.
>
> Therefore, the debate would continue, with the skeptics pooh-poohing
> the whole phenomenon and those already convinced still arguing the point.
>
> With the above in mind, we now come to the only phenomenon that would
> convince all parties concerned, including the Randy the Magicians, Carl
> Sagans, and the so-called Skeptical Inquirer magazine.
>
> And that would be the phenomenon known by its Sanskrit term,
> URDHAVA-RETAS, or the reversal of the reproductive system. This is of
> the utmost importance, and it is highly controversial. But if we are
> truely interested in solving this riddle from a strictly scientific point
> of view, we have to accept it. If we truely wish to be honest with ourselves,
> we must look into this phenomenon with an open mind.
>
> For the past thirty (30) years, the Kundalini Research Foundation has
> been "preaching" this doctrine of Urdhava-retas with very little results in
> terms of acceptance. The reason why there is little acceptance, especially
> among members of the K. R. N. (Kundalini Research Network) has to do more
> with politics and religion rather than science.
>
> The New Age Movement is guru-driven. Think about this for a moment.
> The gurus do the thinking, the disciples do the listening. What the guru
> says is everything. If the guru doesn't want the disciple to know about
> Urdhava-retas, then the disciple will forever remain in the dark.
>
> Most New Age people have a very difficult time accepting the fact that
> Kundalini has always been a jealously guarded secret. Most all of the
> ancient texts were written in a way to withhold the real secrets from the
> casual reader. Disciples would have to be initiated before the secrets
> were unfolded to them, even though they may have in their possession the
> texts.
>
> Jesus could speak to Nicodemus openly, and yet still withhold the
> secrets. If you read the Sermon on the Mount, where Jesus enters into
> a Dialogue with Nicodemus, you will see what I mean. Incidentally, the
> same dialogue occurs in the "Divine Pymander" between Hermes and Tat, his
> son.
>
> "Verily, verily, I say unto thjee, Except a man be born anew (or from
> above) he cannot see the kingdom of God."
>
> Nicodemus saith unto him, "How can a man be born when he is old? Can
> he enter a second time into his mother's womnb and be born?"
>
> Jesus answered, "Verily, verily, I say unto thee, Except a man be born of
> water and the spirit, he cannot enter into the kingodm of God. That which
> is born of the flesh is flesh: and that which is born of thie spirit is
> spirit. Morvel not that I said unto thee, ye must be born from above."
>
> Nicodemus answered and said unto him, "How can these things be?"
>
> Jesus answered and said unto him, "Art thou a teacher in Israel and
> understandest not these things? Verily, verily I say unto theee, We speak
> that we do know, and bear witness of that we have seen: and yue receive not
> our witness. If I told you earthly things and ye believe them not, how
> shall ye believe if I tell you heavenly things? And no man ascended into
> heaven but he that descended out of heaven, the Son of Man, which is in heaven."
> (John iii. 1-14)
>
> The point is that Jesus had two teachings, the esoteric and the exoteric.
> He reserved the esoteric teachings for the twelve disciples, and gave out
> the exoteric teachings to the people, the masses.
>
> So far, only the exoteric teachings regarding Kundalini have been given
> out to the general public.
>
> The teachings that have been withheld, not by Gopi Krishna but by the
> New Age writers, teachers, etc., are those concerning Urdhava-retas, the
> reversal of the reproductive system.
>
> In the "Divine Pymander," the teaching was not called the Sermon on
> the Mount but rather, the "Sermon on the Mount of Regeneration."
>
> Urdhava-retas brings about regeneration. In other words, when the
> Kundalini is fully awakened, the reproductive apparatus of both the
> male and female is reversed and tremendously accelerated. If a man
> normally produces, say as an example, one-half ounce of semen per day,
> then from the moment he has the full awakening, he would begin producing
> up to 4 to 5 ounces of semen per day. But this semen is automatically
> transformed into a subtile radiation, the essence, call Amrita, or
> Soma, or Ojas, etc., which flows up the spinal cord and into the
> brain.
>
> At that moment, celibacy is mandatory. One cannot indulge in sex
> after Urdhava-retas occurs for a period of up to 18 months thereafter.
> Every ounce of sexual fluid, both in the male and female, must be
> conserved and transformed into the Ambrosia, called Soma in the Vedas.
>
> People generally think that Soma means the sacred mushroom or some
> other mind-altering drug. Scholars like Dr. Watson, Dr. Grof, etc.,
> think that the Rig Veda is referring to a psychedelic plant, such as
> comes from the Hom tree, or the sacred mushroom. But that is the
> exoteric teaching. They do not know about the esoteric meaning, which
> refers only to the initiated, and means the transformed seed, the retas,
> which flows upward into the brain and fuels ones consciousness.
>
> It is because this esoteric knowledge has been withheld from the
> people by New Age gurus, teachers, writers, etc., that the New Age
> Movement has stalled and has become stagnant. This silence has to be
> broken if there is to be any progress in the 21st Century.
>
> Once Urdhava-retas occurs, the subject can then blossom into a genius,
> a poet, a world-teacher. That is really what Kundalini is all about.
> But this knowledge is being withheld for political and religious reasons.
>
> Sincerely,
> Gene
--
Enter The Silence to Know God ... and... accept life as the teacher.
Gloria Joy Greco
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Hope you enjoy them!
Date: Tue, 16 Dec 1997 14:22:01 -0500
From: "Harsh K. Luthar" <hlutharATnospambryant.edu>
To: DonBBenson <DonBBensonATnospamaol.com>
Cc: smacraeATnospamcamtech.net.au, kundalini-lATnospamexecpc.com
Subject: Re: God and I
Message-Id: <3496D4D9.5BC2ATnospamacad.bryant.edu>
> In a message dated 97-12-14 23:22:28 EST, smacraeATnospamcamtech.net.au writes:
>
> << My stance is of the reflectively inclined. My aim is to KNOW God.
> >>
>DonBBenson responded musically:
> To know, know, know Him
> Is to love, love, love Him
> And I do
> Yes I do
> Woo ooo ooo.
>
The compassionate but incredibly funny Harsha adds:
All together now everybody!
What the world needs now
is love sweet love!
That's the only thing
We need plenty oooooooof!
Yes we dooooooo. Yes we doooooooooooo!
Date: Tue, 16 Dec 1997 13:26:02 EST
From: DonBBenson <DonBBensonATnospamaol.com>
To: dorf01ATnospammail.win.org
Cc: kundalini-lATnospamlists.execpc.com
Subject: Re: Short Rant: Young people today!
Message-ID: <98555ec9.3496c7bfATnospamaol.com>
In a message dated 97-12-16 11:19:30 EST, you write:
<< Don!
You forgot the ending line!
"And thats the way it was and We Liked it!"
Debora dear, you big hearted and lovely person, I liked the health, vital
energy, and flexibility of my younger years. Never did have enough
flexibility in knees and hips to get into a full lotus position. Also, my
left leg being 3/4 inch shorter than right leg, steady long distance running
was difficult. But I could alternate sprinting, jogging, and walking for five
miles. I could get up at 5:00 am, do calisthenics, run up a hill in Vermont,
and be doing yoga exercises on top of a granite boulder when the sun came up,
with the Winooski River Valley still hidden beneath a blanket of fog. That
was wonderful. For several years, arthritis (in knees and neck) has been a
problem. Since having knee surgery last spring to correct a crippling tendon
problem, I am able to walk several miles at a time without much pain, but the
pleasure of a good run is gone. Swimming is my favorite exercise, but it's
not convenient. My spiritual life was seriously compromised in my youth by my
lack of self-control sexually, and now I don't know whether I am any wiser or
whether it's just that the old grey stallion ain't what he used to be, ain't
what he used to be, many long years ago. It's hard to tell though because my
head is still covered with thick brown wavy hair, and my four sisters are
jealous.
Until March 1979, when I met Yvonne Kason at the Kundalini Research Institute
in Toronto a few days before her near death experience in a plane crash (which
I experienced along with her in the spirit), I never dared discuss my
kundalini experiences with anyone, and even my own knowledge and memory of
kundalini phenomena was largely suppressed. No, I didn't like it the way it
was: I suffered much abuse and persecution for many years due to ignorance of
and hostililty towards kundalini phenomena; I yearned all my life for the
freedom, openness, and flow of information from diverse perspectives that we
are presently enjoying.
I was just employing the Stereotype of a Grumpy Old Man to make fun of myself
and give a little historical perspective on the astounding changes and
advances of the last few years, and you didn't even notice my grinning Santa
Claus which I did just for you -- my favorite niece. Sob. (Ooops, I better
be careful here in case somebody on the list was sexually abused by an uncle
in a Santa Claus suit!)
*<|:-}))> Don
Date: Tue, 16 Dec 1997 13:58:53 -0500
From: Mike Stickles <msticklesATnospamantalys.com>
To: kundalini-lATnospamlists.execpc.com
Subject: Myth mini-rant (was RE: Bible slamming)
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A couple of folks combined to write:
>>> and for me it makes no more sense to me to
>>> *believe* in them than it does to *believe* in the
>>> Bible as the 'received word of God.' One's an
>>> ancient myth, the other is a modern myth.
>> Is it a *myth* ??? or just a hypothesis that has not
>> been proven yet ???
>It's a myth if it remains unprovable. Or if the evidence
>looks less than convincing if you look at it closely. Or
>if it makes more sense to read it metaphorically as a
>depiction of someone's inner psychological landscape
>rather than as a literal reality.
Personal vocabulary pet peeve - "myth" is another of those
words which has lost a rather beautiful original meaning
somewhere along the way (like "fundamentalist", my
other vocabulary pet peeve). A "myth" originally referred
to a story which provided part of the shared culture and
belief of a group or community. The term implied nothing
about the truth or falsity of the story. As an example, the
story of George Washington chopping down the cherry
tree (almost definitely not true), the story of Paul Revere's
ride (based on a true event, but usually told differently
from what really happened) and the story of the winter at
Valley Forge (definitely true) are all American myths (or
*were* - a sense of shared culture being on the decline).
I think this is the sense that Campbell (what was his
first name?) used it in his books and TV shows on myth.
"American" myths reflect on what Americans think it
means to be an American, Christian myths on being a
Christian, etc, etc. Universal myths - those common to
almost all groups and cultures - reflect on what it means
to be human.
End of rant...
>Ultimately - who knows? You pays your money and
>you buys your philosophy. If you're lucky somewhere
>along the way it will coincide with some version or
>other of reality.
Richard, I plan to shamelessly steal this paragraph for
future use :-).
- Mike
Date: Tue, 16 Dec 1997 19:10:04 GMT
From: sassiATnospamworldnet.att.net (The Lesser Half)
To: kundalini-lATnospamexecpc.com
Subject: Re: Short Rant: Young people today!
Message-ID: <34a6d207.29411298ATnospammailhost.worldnet.att.net>
On Tue, 16 Dec 97 15:48:28 +0000, you wrote:
Why, in my day, when Harsha and I were your age,
we had to walk eight miles in knee deep snow,
climb mountains and cross deserts,
Way back when, we went barefoot in the snow and wrapped our feet with
barb wire for traction.
: )>
Jack
Date: Tue, 16 Dec 1997 19:10:09 GMT
From: sassiATnospamworldnet.att.net (The Lesser Half)
To: kundalini-lATnospamexecpc.com
Subject: Re: Bible slamming
Message-ID: <34a7d20f.29419527ATnospammailhost.worldnet.att.net>
Being raised in a Roman Catholic household and attending
parochial schools had a detrimental affect on me which I have just
recently come to terms with.
I followed the straight and narrow until, at age eleven I
"saw the light" and went my own way which was no-way at all.
In my twenties I hated all religion and blamed much of the
planet's woes on the fear generated by this world's religions. I saw
prayer and worship as a crutch used by those closing in on their
death. A safety valve, just in case.
In my thirties I envied the faithful. I thought, " Hey, there
are millions out there a lot more intelligent than you. What makes you
think you have all the answers ?" I came to understand and envy those
who found their own answer. I still could not reconcile myself to any
man-made faith and fervently hoped, some day, to find an answer that
gave me joy and comfort.
Now in my forties I feel on the edge of an awakening. I'm
beginning to see the " big picture " , the answer that works for me.
We, all of us are GOD. And the project is
" under construction ".
What it is.
Jack
Date: Tue, 16 Dec 1997 13:17:08 -0600 (CST)
From: "Debora A. Orf" <dorf01ATnospammail.win.org>
To: The Lesser Half <sassiATnospamworldnet.att.net>
cc: kundalini-lATnospamexecpc.com, kundalini-lATnospamlists.execpc.com
Subject: Re: Short Rant: Young people today!
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On Tue, 16 Dec 1997, The Lesser Half wrote:
You forgot uphill both ways
dressed only in thin Yogi whites :)
can the gen'xer really contribute to these????
--janpa tsomo
> On Tue, 16 Dec 97 15:48:28 +0000, you wrote:
>
> Why, in my day, when Harsha and I were your age,
> we had to walk eight miles in knee deep snow,
> climb mountains and cross deserts,
>
> Way back when, we went barefoot in the snow and wrapped our feet with
> barb wire for traction.
>
> : )>
>
> Jack
>
>
>
--debora a. orf
--dorf01ATnospammail.win.org
"do not permit the events of your daily life to bind you, but never
withdraw yourself from them"--Zen saying
Date: Tue, 16 Dec 1997 11:18:36 PST
From: "danelle t" <danelletATnospamhotmail.com>
To: kundalini-lATnospamexecpc.com
Subject: grounding probs...
Message-ID: <19971216191847.4947.qmailATnospamhotmail.com>
Content-Type: text/plain
Good afternoon everyone! ;-)
I am just writing this to ramble a bit and see if anyone else has
encountered this experience. I have been having serious problems
staying grounded lately, it feels as if I am only half here...with the
rest of me floating somewhere else. Sometimes it gets to the point
where I have extreme difficulties communicating. The english someone is
speaking sounds almost foriegn to me and i have to have them repeat the
question a couple of times. Also when I am speaking I have taken on a
stuttering havit, and it sometimes feels as if the words are stuck in
the throat. Nothing will come out. I am learning to not get frustrated
over it, but sometimes it is really maddening! ;-) This awakening is
just starting for me, and I am wondering if these are all part of the
process. Thanks for any advice or answers ahead of time!
Blessed Be-
danelle
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Date: Tue, 16 Dec 1997 15:37:05 -0500
From: "Harsh K. Luthar" <hlutharATnospambryant.edu>
To: lodpressATnospamintercomm.com
Cc: Gene Kieffer <gkiefferATnospamnetaxis.com>, smacraeATnospamcamtech.net.au,
heartzenATnospamlistserv.servtech.com, kundalini-lATnospamexecpc.com
Subject: Re: Kundalini & Science
Message-Id: <3496E671.3A59ATnospamacad.bryant.edu>
Gloria Greco wrote:
>
> >
> Gene Kieffer wrote:
> >
> > Dear Gloria and Sue,
> >Snip...
> >> > Gopi Krishna's firm conviction, after observing his own physiological........Snip
The compassionate but extremely funny Harsha (soon to become somewhat
controversial because of the following post) can't stay silent on this
anymore.
Harsha says: Gopi Krishna had a unique Kundalini experience and went
through powerful psychological traumas but has very little to offer to
the spiritual aspirant.
> >
> > 1. It would have to be a spontaneous, full awakening. We must
> > emphasize the word "FULL" or forceful awakening.
But Harsha says clearly that: There is a huge difference between "FULL"
and "FORCEFUL." An initial Kundalini awakening may be very "Forceful"
but is rarely "Full." Gopi Krishna did not experience a "Full" Kundalini
just one aspect of the Kundalini Power.
> >
> > > > For the past thirty (30) years, the Kundalini Research Foundation has
> > been "preaching" this doctrine of Urdhava-retas with very little results in
> > terms of acceptance. The reason why there is little acceptance, especially
> > among members of the K. R. N. (Kundalini Research Network) has to do more
> > with politics and religion rather than science.
Harsha says: The concept of Urdhava-retas predates Gopi Krishna by
several thousand years. Every advanced student of Yoga knows about it
and knew about it long before Gopi Krishna came on the scene and started
his Crusade.
> > The New Age Movement is guru-driven. Think about this for a moment.
> > The gurus do the thinking, the disciples do the listening. What the guru
> > says is everything. If the guru doesn't want the disciple to know about
> > Urdhava-retas, then the disciple will forever remain in the dark.
Harsha Says: To my knowledge no one has ever been kept in the dark.These
terms are part of the common vocabulary of India
> > Most New Age people have a very difficult time accepting the fact that
> > Kundalini has always been a jealously guarded secret.
Harsha says: Hardly!
> > The teachings that have been withheld, not by Gopi Krishna but by
the
> > New Age writers, teachers, etc., are those concerning Urdhava-retas, the
> > reversal of the reproductive system.
Harsha says again: These concepts have been in the public domain of
thousands of years. Gopi Krishna did not invent them. Gopi Krisha's
experience was rather limited. The fact that he did not have much
guidance led him to become a crusader about a phenomena that he felt he
was uniquely experiencing.
>> > Once Urdhava-retas occurs, the subject can then blossom into a genius,
> > a poet, a world-teacher. That is really what Kundalini is all about.
> > But this knowledge is being withheld for political and religious reasons.
I guess that explains the emergence of the compassionate and musically
inclined but not musically gifted Harsha.
Be well.
Date: Tue, 16 Dec 1997 20:21:44 GMT
From: sassiATnospamworldnet.att.net (The Lesser Half)
To: kundalini-lATnospamexecpc.com
Subject: Re: Myth mini-rant (was RE: Bible slamming)
Message-ID: <34aae2d6.33714718ATnospammailhost.worldnet.att.net>
I remember reading an SF novel which lead me to some non-fiction
works by an amatuer anthropoligist. I'm sorry, the names and titles
escape me at present but the gist of all was based on the Sumerian
" Epic of Gilgamesh ".
The " myth " parts of which are substantiated by anthropology is that
up until 12,000 years ago all human belief systems were based on the
female. The " Earth Godess " if you will. Many societies were ruled by
the matriarch and women were placed above men, revered by the males as
" life bringers ". And earth godess fertility statues have been dug up
in all areas of the earth with resident cultures during that time
period. We didn't hear much of this due to the fact that 99% of
anthropoligists were male up until around 1950 and therefore biased.
Since then anthropology has stagnated without any new scientific
techniques to be used in study and research.
Anyway, up until this time the purported theory states that there was
one universal language which was forgotten when a virus struck
humankind ( tower of Babel ? ). This virus was supposedly spread by a
warlike, patriarchal and nomadic tribe that came out of southern
Siberia called " Gakras " ( not sure of this spelling ).
In the Epic the myth is told as a fable where Gilgamesh's wife
steals his " revelations " and throws them into the Tigris river
where they infect the populations and they split into different
cultures moving into different areas only to be displaced by other
tribes retreating against the Gakra invasion.
The author goes on to relate how many of these fables were
bastardized and adopted by other cultures such as the Cannanites who
resided in southern Mesopotamia at that time. He then goes on to
relate these things to the Battle of Jericho, Moses and the Diaspora.
The interesting thing was that he theorized that " speaking in
tongues " , such as Pentacostals sometimes do when taken by the "
rapture " was this long forgotten universal language. When we decipher
this language it will reveal many of lifes mysteries.
If anything it was a good read. Now if only I could remember
the titles..........................
What it is.
Jack
Date: Tue, 16 Dec 1997 20:21:51 GMT
From: sassiATnospamworldnet.att.net (The Lesser Half)
To: kundalini-lATnospamexecpc.com
Subject: Re: God and I
Message-ID: <34abe2dd.33721828ATnospammailhost.worldnet.att.net>
On Tue, 16 Dec 97 19:22:01 +0000, you wrote:
To know, know, know Him
Is to love, love, love Him
And I do
Yes I do
Woo ooo ooo.
What the world needs now
is love sweet love!
That's the only thing
We need plenty oooooooof!
Yes we dooooooo. Yes we doooooooooooo!
I love him, I love him
And where he goes I'll follow, I'll follow
I will follow him, wherever he may go
There isn't a mountain to high
There isn't a river to deep
To keep me away
Next verse !
Jack
Date: Tue, 16 Dec 1997 10:58:29 -1000
From: Ruth Trimble <trimbleATnospamhawaii.edu>
To: kundalini-lATnospamlists.execpc.com
Subject: Who is this GOD!
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Hi GS Donne: I am so glad you picked up this thread about who is this GOD
Jehovah.. for I have expressed my thoughts on it and feared
retributions... but it seems that many feel this too... a step in the
right direction... shoot down the sacred cows.
You say>They are
still claiming 'The Promised Land", obeying an ancient Jehovah, but using
guns and missiles instead of swords.
>>
Sort of like the Nazis....More like Dark Lords (Darth Vadar) than a God of
Light..
>> Then along comes Jesus with his 'love thy ememies', 'In so much
asyou have done this to the least of my creatures you have done so to me',
"God is love" (or was that from the 60's?),etc. All in total contrast to
the fire and brimstone vengefulness of the 'smite them hip and thigh'
Father God. >>
VERY good.. you see this beautiful contrast too.. and is this father Jesus
speaks of the same as we are told is the Jehovah? I wonder... Jehovah
looks to be an oppressive punitive and uncompassionate being who is always
RIGHT! How does this fit with your idea of the K. energy that streaks
through your body.. and the glimpses of the higher states of samadhi that
you have xperienced? Does not match up for me!
I see Jesus as a great sword cutting through all the mental, traditional
mind control of the Dark Lords that created the nuclear holocaust on earth
some time around 12,000... according to Sitchin. He is a highly advanced
being beyond all this pettiness and booming voices etc. I would venture
to say that the Jehovah is a 4th dimensional being and Jesus a 12th
dimensional one.. quite a bit difference and probably the reason I could
never read the Old Testament without feeling ill. I could only ever read
the New Testament.
I am pretty sure that Jesus was here to herald a new era for man.. and
the 2000 years since his arrival are the incubation period for man to
become the Christ conscious being that he should have been all along.. I
read something profound this week that I will post at my web site perhaps
as it is very long.. that outlines the nuclear war that put us all back
into a very low frequency and did in our DNA.... it looked for a while in
the 50's as if this were going to happen again, and hence that influx
energy in the 60's to change this direction.
>>>
Classic Freudian senario, ("Totem and Taboo") of the Son
taking over the power from the aging father. Except that the father
happens to be God. Or is He?? >>>
If only more people were asking these questions...
How do the pple who believe that every word in the bible comes
from God, and therefore must be right and true, reconcile these apparant
contrasts in the nature and behaviour of God??
>>>
I know becuase I have been there in that state.. and it is only since the
K. and the light energy coursing through my brain and de-conditioning me
that I have been able to ask and seek these ideas for myself. I have just
read a lot and kept on seeking... It was not a direct nor a timely path,
but took years. I think of myself as a pioneer in coming through the
veils and it is hoped that like the 100th monkey, the journey I hve taken
and others are taking and others who knew this all along (lucky they) will
create an environment where one day there will be a paradigm shift and the
whole culture will have understood that Jehovah is not THE divine that we
have been taught... and every one will just get it - snap!
Halleluyah ... they will say..."I am that divine being which I seek." It
won't be long in my opinion... and goodbye to fear and oppression, and
domination and tyranny.
Ruth
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Love allows freedom. Drop the idea that attachment and love are the same
thing. They are enemies. It is attachment that destroys love. (Osho)
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Ruth Trimble email:<trimbleATnospamhawaii.edu>
http://166.122.32.61/trimble/
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Date: Tue, 16 Dec 1997 16:16:44 -0500
From: Mike Stickles <msticklesATnospamantalys.com>
To: sassiATnospamworldnet.att.net
Cc: kundalini-lATnospamexecpc.com
Subject: RE: Myth mini-rant (was RE: Bible slamming)
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If you remember the title/author/whatever of the book that
you read this in, please let me know. I've heard the theory
before that all belief systems before 10,000 BC were
female-based, that matriarchy was widespread, etc, but
quite frankly have never seen any substantiation of those
claims (not to say I haven't seen them asserted a lot).
- Mike
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