1997/12/15 01:11
kundalini-l-d Digest V97 #831
kundalini-l-d Digest Volume 97 : Issue 831
Today's Topics:
Re: Bondage by Karma or Freedom by C [ Athena <starwindATnospamgte.net> ]
spiritual aikido--long [ "Susan Carlson" <divine_goddessATnospamhot ]
God and I [ Susanne Macrae <smacraeATnospamcamtech.net ]
Re: ego......EGO [ Susanne Macrae <smacraeATnospamcamtech.net ]
Re: 3 piercings [ Susanne Macrae <smacraeATnospamcamtech.net ]
Re: 3 piercings [ Harsh Luthar <hlutharATnospamkeynes.bryant ]
Re: HRTZEN: Initiation Dream [ Gloria Greco <lodpressATnospamintercomm.co ]
Re: HRTZEN: Initiation Dream [ sassiATnospamworldnet.att.net (The Lesser ]
INTERPRETATION [ LH5110 <LH5110ATnospamaol.com> ]
INTERPRETATION [ LH5110 <LH5110ATnospamaol.com> ]
Re: INTERPRETATION [ "Debora A. Orf" <dorf01ATnospammail.win.or ]
AutoPost from Kundalini Resource Cen [ Tim Mamin <marshallmATnospamearthlink.net> ]
Mystic Drills etc. [ Ruth Trimble <trimbleATnospamhawaii.edu> ]
Re: HRTZEN: Initiation Dream [ Susanne Macrae <smacraeATnospamcamtech.net ]
Re: 3 piercings [ TDVW36AATnospamprodigy.com ( THOMAS SMITH) ]
Re: HRTZEN: Initiation Dream [ acarre <acarreATnospamconcentric.net> ]
Date: Sun, 14 Dec 1997 16:19:16 -0600
From: Athena <starwindATnospamgte.net>
To: Mike Stickles <msticklesATnospamantalys.com>
CC: kundalini-lATnospamexecpc.com, Meadowart <MeadowartATnospamaol.com>
Subject: Re: Bondage by Karma or Freedom by Christ?
Message-ID: <34945B63.4765ATnospamgte.net>
Athena kinda sorta peeks out behind the curtain, and asks a few quick
questions ...then scurries back ...jeesh... I have allowed *text on a
screen* to hurt my felings :(
But not enough to keep my mouth shut... always have had a tendency to
rush in where angels fear to tread :)
>
> Meadowart wrote:
> > yogis are far more accepting of the visionary aspects of the path than priests and preachers.
Different perceptions through different training ???
>
Mike Stickles wrote:
> As a man living simulataneously in three worlds (science
> and technology, fundamentalist Christianity, and mystical
> experience/Kundalini) which are often in conflict (or, more
> correctly, whose adherents are often in conflict), my own
> experience is that few in any of the three "worlds" are able
> to accept all the aspects of my path.
How about the greater *multi-dimensional* world ???.... hmmmm there you
are, hiding behind a curtain ! *giggle*
The visionary aspects
> are most accepted by those in the mystical world (such as
> this list), but those same folks often have trouble accepting
> my "absolutism" in theology. Those who accept my doctrine
> are often suspicious of my mysticism, and those who agree
> with my scientific and intellectual tendencies are usually
> aghast at my mystical and religious sides.
Hehehhee... what else is new ??... everybody looks at life through
*their* experiences.. *all* is related to *self* ... put *that* in your
dogma pipe <s>
>
>
>
>
> I, too, have trouble exploring the mystical side of my spiritual
> life in a traditional religious setting (such as the church I'm in
> currently - and they're far more accepting than most have
> been), but I've also had trouble exploring the intellectual and
> "absolutist" sides in a more mystically oriented setting. So
> I've had to learn (with inconsistent success) how to pursue
> my path whether my environment supports or opposes me
> (and it usually manages to do both simultaneously :-).
>
> Keep exploring,
>
> - Mike Stickles
>
> P.S. - By "absolutist" I simply mean a belief in truths which
> are absolute; which apply to everyone and are not relative to
> the individual, though the proper carrying out of that truth may
> vary between individuals.
>
> P.P.S. - I may be slow responding to things this month - my
> current computer programming project is behind schedule
> and my company is on a 60-hr work week until sometime in
> January, so the 100+ message backlog in my Kundalini-L
> folder may take a while to get through.
>
> P.P.P.S. - Thanks, Sharon, for the links. I haven't been able
> to make time to check them out yet, but I'll get to it -
> hopefully before New Year's <sigh>. Right now, family time
> is my top priority so list stuff will get slighted until my work
> schedule is back to normal.
>
> I, too, have trouble exploring the mystical side of my spiritual
> life in a traditional religious setting (such as the church I'm in
> currently - and they're far more accepting than most have
> been), but I've also had trouble exploring the intellectual and
> "absolutist" sides in a more mystically oriented setting. So
> I've had to learn (with inconsistent success) how to pursue
> my path whether my environment supports or opposes me
> (and it usually manages to do both simultaneously :-).
>
> Keep exploring,
>
> - Mike Stickles
>
> P.S. - By "absolutist" I simply mean a belief in truths which
> are absolute; which apply to everyone and are not relative to
> the individual, though the proper carrying out of that truth may
> vary between individuals.
>
> P.P.S. - I may be slow responding to things this month - my
> current computer programming project is behind schedule
> and my company is on a 60-hr work week until sometime in
> January, so the 100+ message backlog in my Kundalini-L
> folder may take a while to get through.
>
> P.P.P.S. - Thanks, Sharon, for the links. I haven't been able
> to make time to check them out yet, but I'll get to it -
> hopefully before New Year's <sigh>. Right now, family time
> is my top priority so list stuff will get slighted until my work
> schedule is back to normal.
--
Love and Light unto your Path...THERE IS ONLY ONE OF US...Athena
Date: Sun, 14 Dec 1997 14:36:05 PST
From: "Susan Carlson" <divine_goddessATnospamhotmail.com>
To: kundalini-lATnospamexecpc.com, richardATnospamskydancer.com
Subject: spiritual aikido--long
Message-ID: <19971214223610.18920.qmailATnospamhotmail.com>
Content-Type: text/plain
Dear Richard,
I wrote:
>>I practice a kind of aikido, you would call it. The energy of attack
>>comes to me and I learn to flow with the energy and it is transformed.
>>Still a daily practice to do that.
You wrote:
>Can you say more about how to do this in practice? I understand the
>*theory*, but getting it to work for real seems slightly harder.
>
This could be a pretty much rambling email cause I have never had to
explain this to anyone i did not know. I dont know how much common
language we share, but I will give it my best shot. :)
I began practicing this before I knew what to call it. What started me
exploring it where some principles from A Course in Miracles.
***********
*I can escape from the world I see by giving up attack thoughts. I want
to experience peace of mind right now. I happily let go of all
attack thoughts and choose peace instead.
*There is another way of looking at the world. This is my instant of
releasing you and myself from a fearful world. Together we can see a
loving world.
*I could see peace instead of this. I choose to see the unity of peace
instead of the fragmentation of fear.
*Fear is not justified in any form. I can live here and now with
nothing to fear.
*In my defenselessness my safety lies. In my defenselessness lies my
safety and strength. I choose to leave weakness behind.
*I am responsible for what I see. I choose the feelings I experience,
and I decide upon the goal I would achieve. And everything that seems
to happen to me I ask for, and receive as I have asked.
Honestly, it was a real bitch practicing these particular ones. They did
not make sense to me and did not match my experience of my world.
A real bitch. Fortunately, I persevered. In persevering, my inner
paradigm changed and gee, so did my world view...duh. Now all these
principles make sense and are easier to practice.
That was the first step...took a couple of years before this stuff
really became a part of my reality, my paradigm. And I still work with
them, still finding places that fear has a hold of.
The next step...
One day I was talking on the phone to someone i did not know. They
reacted to something i said and threw up this wall of energy in front of
me...lay people would call it a defensive attack. Instead of responding
with an equal or larger amount of energy...two opposing forces would
have been the result... I said yes, thats true...I understand. And that
was all...no defending my position, no justifying why I was right. And
i felt something...the wall of defensive attack fell over and I was
still standing...my energy did not support the wall by opposing it...and
since i provided no support for it, it fell over by its own force of
moving forward.
It was extremely weird the first time. It got quiet on the other end of
the line and I heard a deep breath and then a soft, 'oh.' And then the
whole energy had shifted...no opposing forces any more just the movement
of energy between us.
What I realized was this person just wanted me to acknowledge how he was
feeling...not whether he was right or wrong. What I came to discover in
this experience and experiences following as I practiced this 'new'
technique of listening...it opened up a well of vulnerabilty between us
and we could almost immediatedly talk in ways that were very
intimate...didnt matter who it was.
What I found later as I got to know these people in more real
ways...they perceive my energy as 'safe' and 'accepting', 'I can be
myself with you' are some responses I got. I had inadvertently created
a space where people could be 'real' with me, not show me their
projections.
My belief system is people would choose to be at peace and feel love if
given a chance and if they knew how. So that is how i approach people
most of the time and it usually falls to me to take the first step.
Another 'simplistic' thought from A Course in Miracles': all
communication is either extending love or a cry for love. Where am I at
in that context is what I look at when I am communicating with people.
And of course, being human, there are days I just dont really care about
communicating in integrity and I screw up. And there are days I meet
people...who no matter of amount of being defenseless I am practicing
just want to beat me up...and beat me up...without ever getting into the
energy shift. So in those cases...I just say no to abuse and close the
communication.
So where I find myself...either standing in love or in fear...is where
the transformation of energy comes from.
I hope that helps some.
The above principles are taking from a Mini-Course in Miracles, by Jerry
Jampolsky, made for busy people like me who cant seem to find
the time to read the Course in its entirety or because it is so deep.
Blessings,
Susan
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Date: Mon, 15 Dec 1997 11:00:00 +1030
From: Susanne Macrae <smacraeATnospamcamtech.net.au>
To: kundalini-lATnospamexecpc.com
Subject: God and I
Message-ID: <34947A08.35D3ATnospamcamtech.net.au>
Hi all,
I read the following in an interview with Huston Smith and I like it:
Those who are reflectively inclined advance by knowing God
Those whose emotions are strong do better to concentrate on loving God
The actively inclined make time by serving God
while experimenters become good meditators
My stance is of the reflectively inclined. My aim is to KNOW God.
Just thinking about some of the recent posts, maybe some of our
differences can be explained by the differing temperaments and their
inclinations. Someone who works on just loving God may find it hard to
reconcile with the person who aims to know God and visa versa?
Love, sue
Date: Mon, 15 Dec 1997 11:02:29 +1030
From: Susanne Macrae <smacraeATnospamcamtech.net.au>
To: THOMAS SMITH <TDVW36AATnospamprodigy.com>
CC: kundalini-lATnospamexecpc.com
Subject: Re: ego......EGO
Message-ID: <34947A9D.59E3ATnospamcamtech.net.au>
THOMAS SMITH wrote:
>
> If what you hear.....raises no questions then it is true..
Sometimes the opposite of this statement is "true".
Things I've heard that didn't raise any questions but I wouldn't
remotely consider them true.
"I don't care what anybody thinks" mother in law
"Mum, thanks (in advance) for getting me that Jaguar (car) for
Christmas" son
"I don't believe in Mary, Joseph, baby Jesus as being real" daughter
> If what you feel.....raises no questions then it is true..
When the lambs got into the garden and ate all my calendula flowers
I was very distressed. I was so upset I didn't think about asking
questions. Feelings do that to you, they take up your space and don't
often leave room for questions. They just are!
> If what you see.....raises no questions then it is true..
Ahhh! I've seen all sorts of amazing things. I always ask lots of
questions but I still see them as "true".
> If what you sense.....raises no questions then it is true..
I think this can be a bit tricky. When we sense things about others,
generally we don't question it. This doen't make it true. That is the
thing with using the senses, it defies the rational, the questions!
> If what you experience.....raises no questions then it is true..
It would be a very rare individual that doesn't have questions about
their experiences. Anyway, don't all experiences, by the nature of being
an experience, make it true? When kundalini first rises, I'm sure we
all question what is happening. This doesn't invalidate the experience.
or make it untrue.
> If your action.....raises no questions then it is true..
I'm sure many murders have been committed by people who don't question
themselves afterwards (or before hand for that matter). If the murder
was committed in emotion, they probably didn't raise any questions about
the feelings either.
love sue
Date: Mon, 15 Dec 1997 11:03:25 +1030
From: Susanne Macrae <smacraeATnospamcamtech.net.au>
To: starwindATnospamgte.net
CC: kundalini-lATnospamexecpc.com
Subject: Re: 3 piercings
Message-ID: <34947AD5.479ATnospamcamtech.net.au>
Dear Athena, (This letter is from your Mother or school friend
or boss)
Let's face it Athena, you are just going off the deep end. I mean
really!! Who ever heard of anything like this. I'm very worried about
you! What about those vitamin pills you've been taking. I'm sure they
are giving you hallucinations.
Have you seen a Doctor about these "weird" experiences you are having?
You should you know, they can give you something to stop this sort of
thing! When old Mrs Johnson started seeing things and strange colours
and such, she was put away in that home quick smart. You don't want
that to happen to you now do you?
You used to be such a nice girl, so polite and quiet. What has happened
to you Athena? (I knew there was something funny about those chemicals
in the water!)Now I'm going to pray for you next Sunday in church that
you will soon be back to "normal".
Lots of love ..........,
Athena wrote:
>
> >
>For several months now I have been having yet another *weird*
> experience... but since most of my life seems to be *weird experiences*
>
Date: Sun, 14 Dec 1997 19:42:36 -0800
From: Harsh Luthar <hlutharATnospamkeynes.bryant.edu>
To: starwindATnospamgte.net
Cc: amckeonATnospamhsmail.nfld.k12.mn.us, kundalini-lATnospamexecpc.com
Subject: Re: 3 piercings
Message-Id: <3494A72C.128AATnospamkeynes.bryant.edu>
Lying on the right hand side and meditating enhances the nada sound
heard in the right ear. This is a well known way to experience the
Samadhi of Laya Yoga for advanced students.
Harsh
Athena wrote:
>
> >
> > >K doesn't always adhere to an observable progression up the spine.
>
> Interesting... Thanks... this gave me an *aha*
>
> For several months now I have been having yet another *weird*
> experience... but since most of my life seems to be *weird experiences*
> I kinda sorta put it on the back burner...
>
> I go to sleep on my right side... with my left hip up...early this
> spring, a *phenomena* happened that has been repeated a lot...
>
> As I am drifting off into the alpha state of sleep, I can feel
> someone/something touching my left hip joint...it *feels* for all the
> world like a dentist's drill ...starting at the skin above the joint,
> and rooting deeper and deeper... in a pattern of a spiral... wider at
> the top, coming to a point at the end...
>
> There is *no pain* associated with this... merely pressure...its neither
> pleasant nor unpleasant...
>
> It stops when I turn over on my left side. Begins again when I shift to
> my right side < if I am still awake >
>
> It manifests about 2/3 times a week... sometimes just *barely* felt...
> other times *very powerful*
>
> I have asked several *psychic* friends, and several reiki and other
> healers ... none could give me an answer which makes sense...< to me >
>
> Anybody have similar experiences ??? or am I just a *nut* ????
>
> Thanks,
>
> Athena
>
> -
> Love and Light unto your Path...THERE IS ONLY ONE OF US...Athena
Date: Sun, 14 Dec 1997 17:03:40 +0100
From: Gloria Greco <lodpressATnospamintercomm.com>
To: kundalini-lATnospamexecpc.com
CC: heartzenATnospamlistserv.servtech.com
Subject: Re: HRTZEN: Initiation Dream
Message-ID: <3494035A.45EFATnospamintercomm.com>
Gene Kieffer asked me to post a question to the list:
Is there any way that science could set about to verify the existence of
kundalini?
Gloria
Date: Mon, 15 Dec 1997 02:40:51 GMT
From: sassiATnospamworldnet.att.net (The Lesser Half)
To: kundalini-lATnospamexecpc.com
Subject: Re: HRTZEN: Initiation Dream
Message-ID: <34a79898.45819469ATnospammailhost.worldnet.att.net>
On Sun, 14 Dec 97 16:03:40 +0000, you wrote:
>Gene Kieffer asked me to post a question to the list:
>
>Is there any way that science could set about to verify the existence
of
>kundalini?
>
>Gloria
I thought they already had.
Jack
Date: Sun, 14 Dec 1997 21:54:01 EST
From: LH5110 <LH5110ATnospamaol.com>
To: Kundalini-lATnospamexecpc.com
Subject: INTERPRETATION
Message-ID: <71b8f8eb.34949c69ATnospamaol.com>
I hope you will all bear with me...I was just doing a meditation and the
following came to me which I would like to share...
For those who have been Bible blasting lately --- I would like to share these
thoughts...
1.
Date: Sun, 14 Dec 1997 21:59:19 EST
From: LH5110 <LH5110ATnospamaol.com>
To: Kundalini-lATnospamexecpc.com
Subject: INTERPRETATION
Message-ID: <6c3ffeee.34949d09ATnospamaol.com>
SORRY I HIT THE WRONG BUTTON... ON THESE THOUGHTS
1. Everything that is written and believed from the past (ancient) times
whether it is Eastern, Western or whatever is man's interpretation of what
they believe was written during that time. Even the native americans lost
most of their history during the times they were refused to be allowed to pass
the messages down and practice their religion.
How many people living today would be able to interpret the ancient writing
correctly and what about the ones which were handed down verbally before
writtent tablets, stone, etc.
Man today has clearly shown us, no matter what religion, cult, belief system
their control in trying to say HOW IT IS AND WHAT IS RIGHT
ONLY FROM WITHIN CAN YOU FIND WHAT IS RIGHT FOR YOU. THAT IS BETWEEN YOU AND
YOUR HIGHER POWER --
Nothing that is written is exactly right for you - even this message!!!
Date: Sun, 14 Dec 1997 21:07:21 -0600 (CST)
From: "Debora A. Orf" <dorf01ATnospammail.win.org>
To: LH5110 <LH5110ATnospamaol.com>
cc: Kundalini-lATnospamexecpc.com, kundalini-lATnospamlists.execpc.com
Subject: Re: INTERPRETATION
Message-ID: <Pine.GSO.3.96.971214210610.27257G-100000ATnospamwinc0>
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On Sun, 14 Dec 1997, LH5110 wrote:
> I hope you will all bear with me...I was just doing a meditation and the
> following came to me which I would like to share...
>
> For those who have been Bible blasting lately --- I would like to share these
> thoughts...
>
> 1.
>
Now that's what's called a POST!
You go girl! (or guy, or being from Altair-Six, or Cat, or Dog.....)
--janpa
Date: Sun, 14 Dec 1997 17:49:48 -1000 (HST)
From: Tim Mamin <marshallmATnospamearthlink.net>
To: kundalini-lATnospamexecpc.com
Subject: AutoPost from Kundalini Resource Center
Message-Id: <199712150349.RAA24469ATnospamhaleakala.aloha.net>
I live in the Los Angeles area and began a Kundalini Yoga class last summer. I continue to re-enlist in the course, but it is taught only sporadically. Does anyone know of a regularly held Kundalini Yoga class in LA (preferably in the San Fernando Valley area) ? I am also interested in Tantric Yoga.
Thanks !
Date: Sun, 14 Dec 1997 18:04:28 -1000
From: Ruth Trimble <trimbleATnospamhawaii.edu>
To: kundalini-lATnospamlists.execpc.com
Subject: Mystic Drills etc.
Message-ID: <Pine.GSO.3.95q.971214175809.14261A-100000ATnospamuhunix4>
Content-Type: TEXT/PLAIN; charset=US-ASCII
Hi Athena
I resonated with your post about the drill thing in your left hip. I have
this thing of feeling an animal.. cat or not heavy creature walking on my
bed sometimes.. night or day when I am about to sleep. It happened so
much I thought it was my old cat Tiggy who was with me for 16 years and
died about 10 years ago.. so I got another cat 2 years ago and then
another thinking that the ghostly footsteps would stop... I think at least
twice a week...I sense some animal is walking on the bed only to look and
see no animal there.. even now. Now the thing is .. it
only comes when the real ones are not actually with me! Anyone had a
similar haunting by such a thing? I have heard that my old dog is still
around me in the etheric, but she was a GErman Shepherd and I would feel
if it were her getting on my bed etheric or not! H haa... what mysteries
there are in the universe...
******
Love allows freedom. Drop the idea that attachment and love are the same
thing. They are enemies. It is attachment that destroys love. (Osho)
----------------------------------------------------------------------
Ruth Trimble email:<trimbleATnospamhawaii.edu>
http://166.122.32.61/trimble/
*****
Date: Mon, 15 Dec 1997 14:46:12 +1030
From: Susanne Macrae <smacraeATnospamcamtech.net.au>
To: lodpressATnospamintercomm.com
CC: kundalini-lATnospamexecpc.com
Subject: Re: HRTZEN: Initiation Dream
Message-ID: <3494AF0B.4124ATnospamcamtech.net.au>
Gloria Greco wrote:
>
> Gene Kieffer asked me to post a question to the list:
>
> Is there any way that science could set about to verify the existence of
> kundalini?
>
>
Before I even knew the word Kundalini I recognised that what was
happening to me was changing the very core of my being. I think most of
us accept Kundalini as an evolutionary process. It would seem therefore
that these changes are registering within the physical body.
Because she works on the body and energetic fields but is not "of" the
body, perhaps the place to start would be to discover the physical
changes she has effected. If I was working scientifically on this I
would start with the blood and the sexual secretions.
The evidence of our changing bodies may lie in the DNA and in the
balance of the basic elements that make up our physical body. (Antoine!)
The changes are probably extremely subtle and subjects being tested
would perhaps need to be categorised according to extent of K activity.
I know for example I now have high iron levels, which is contradictory
to my anaemic pre Kundalini levels. (My diet is mainly fruitarian with
some root vegetables - not particularly iron high)
I think also that any testing (DNA, elemental or other) needs to be done
on the children of Kundalini awakened parents (born after the K activity
started?). Particularly children who are born to parents that have both
experienced a K awakening. As with all evolutionary changes it takes
time to move down the generations.
Could Gene please advise what scientific testing has been done to date
and what results have been found. I have also been wondering if Gopi
Krishna's body was donated to the KRN and if so what testing was done
and the results.
Have any tests with Kirlian photography been conducted?
It may be that this device will show differences between K active
and non K active people.
love, sue
Date: Mon, 15 Dec 1997 00:39:29, -0500
From: TDVW36AATnospamprodigy.com ( THOMAS SMITH)
To: kundalini-lATnospamexecpc.com
Subject: Re: 3 piercings
Message-Id: <199712150539.AAA17552ATnospammime4.prodigy.com>
Sue...........hahahahahaa
>"Let's face it Athena, you are just going off the deep end."
>"Have you seen a Doctor about these "weird" experiences you are
having?"
>"You used to be such a nice girl, so polite and quiet."
What does you "ego" voice chart say concerning these statements?
LOL <S>
____
God Loves You Forever
Tom
Date: Mon, 15 Dec 1997 02:34:32 -0500
From: acarre <acarreATnospamconcentric.net>
To: smacraeATnospamcamtech.net.au
CC: lodpressATnospamintercomm.com, kundalini-lATnospamexecpc.com
Subject: Re: HRTZEN: Initiation Dream
Message-ID: <3494DD87.B52E7AE8ATnospamconcentric.net>
Susanne Macrae wrote:
> Gloria Greco wrote:
> > Is there any way that science could set about
> to verify the existence of
> > kundalini?
Very good question,
Science cannot explain the simple process of fire
with the archetypes it's using to explore this
world. In simple words fire is a triangle made of
wood, a match and air. It can only learn tricks on
how to use fire. So how could it truly understand
k-fire or k-awakening?
The way as i see k, with scientific concepts: it's
a "force" that that brings the surrendering of
matter inertia to a "subjective" principle. And
science, by definition still studies
"objectivity". So it can only study manifestation
of K on different level of complexity.
But the question was well asked: Science can
verify.
But it is stubborn, it will verify manifestations
of it. But until it can prove those manifestations
also occur in people who don't seem to be living
the full process of k awakening at that time, a
good part of the scientific community will not
accept it.
On different levels of complexity there are leads
for science to study K. And i would be intersted
to know about other as Susanne is.
Susanne wrotte:
"The evidence of our changing bodies may lie in
the DNA and in the balance of the basic elements
that make up our physical body. (Antoine!)The
changes are probably extremely subtle and subjects
being tested would perhaps need to be categorized
according to extent of K activity."
On the deepest level we know of, quantum ftheory,
physics is opening itself to the concept of
"information" rather than only field and energy to
study matter. And K definitely affect those
levels. Just take all the computer blowing, watch
not working (function on quartz vibrations). But
the analysis by physics of those phenomenon is
statistical. The effect of energies associated to
k at one level on the quantum "balance" in matter,
are included in the statistics table. They would
have to be a major shift in the overall
environment to make enough of the scientific
community today to accept those. For all is
possible with stats, it is the repetition of the
process, changing the statical curve, that becomes
intriguing.
For element on the chemical table, for me IMHO,
they could indicate something related to K, if we
come to observe radioactive elements to stabilize
more. For me it would indicate something behind
the process of K, where K (depending from where we
see it) is a manifestation of that principle, not
its cause.
A study on that level for an individual changing
the structure directly, does not seem the right
path, to far from our walking conscious and more
stable then the levels under it on this plane.
For DNA structure, the more complex structure on
molecular level. Here things come to be
interesting. Drunvalo, "the merkebah man", also a
physicist before seeing angels, predicts the
adding of two genes on the dna strand, when
energies descending will be sufficient for such a
work. Our children may already carry does, who
knows. Only dolphin and whales have more genes
than the human race.
I think the medical level is the best place for
looking at that.
My parents being both psychiatrist, I have seen a
lot of people with starting k symptoms being
treated for that. In that profession they have
developed the art of slowing down k awakening.
Some medication, in the beginning of the process,
like tranquilizer or sedative are really good of
putting the "snake" to sleep. So there must be
something to explore there.
Susanne wrotte:
> Because she works on the body and energetic
> fields but is not "of" the
> body, perhaps the place to start would be to
> discover the physical
> changes she has effected. If I was working
> scientifically on this I
> would start with the blood and the sexual
> secretions.
Definitely.. But looking for change in structure
would not be the way to do it i think, IMHO.
Change in vitality (something that in the
occidental culture are not yet very good yet at
evaluating) of the cells or the sperm or ovary,
would be to consider.
Love
Antoine
--
"Bless all of your learning experiences. Your
lessons teach you to choose and behave even more
wisely next time."
>From "The Enchantment of Opposites" by Patricia
Huntington Taylor
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