1997/12/14 15:13
kundalini-l-d Digest V97 #830
kundalini-l-d Digest Volume 97 : Issue 830
Today's Topics:
Re: Enlightenment [ amckeonATnospamhsmail.nfld.k12.mn.us ]
Re: The 7 headed beast [ amckeonATnospamhsmail.nfld.k12.mn.us ]
What God? [ amckeonATnospamhsmail.nfld.k12.mn.us ]
re: 3 piercings [ amckeonATnospamhsmail.nfld.k12.mn.us ]
serenity [ amckeonATnospamhsmail.nfld.k12.mn.us ]
re: Soul Mates [ amckeonATnospamhsmail.nfld.k12.mn.us ]
re: awakening through abuse [ amckeonATnospamhsmail.nfld.k12.mn.us ]
re: From My Heart [ amckeonATnospamhsmail.nfld.k12.mn.us ]
Sacred Cows [ Ruth Trimble <trimbleATnospamhawaii.edu> ]
Dreams and Power [ Ruth Trimble <trimbleATnospamhawaii.edu> ]
Re: 3 piercings [ Athena <starwindATnospamgte.net> ]
RE: [K] Dead bugs [ "Kim Major" <kimajorATnospamhotmail.com> ]
Re: Twin Flames [ sassiATnospamworldnet.att.net (The Lesser ]
Re: Twin Flame [ sassiATnospamworldnet.att.net (The Lesser ]
Date: Sun, 14 Dec 1997 14:10:52 -0600
From: amckeonATnospamhsmail.nfld.k12.mn.us
To: kundalini-lATnospamexecpc.com
Subject: Re: Enlightenment
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Gloria Lee wrote:
>Spirituality is not a competitive sport...
Thanks for the reminder. After every failure I experienced as a child I was
told that "you must not be trying hard enough," or "there you go again, not
working up to your potential." This is why I prefer the idea of "grace" and
the holy spirit or kundalini doing what it wants when it wants. Trying too
hard can actually get in the way!
>you sound like a fun person to know and to live with...
Thank you :). My husband thinks so. There is a lot of laughter at our
house. My children think so most of the time, although I can be a bit
cranky when I first get up in the morning ;-P. My mother-in-law thinks I'm
a lazy pig, so it's a damn good thing she lives with my husband's brother
and his long-suffering girlfriend, who works full time and keeps the house
spic-and-span.
I am way too casual about neatness for most other women to be able to put
up with. And the other men I've lived with, who saw cleaning as part of our
unwritten "gender contract" were really pissed off when I failed to perform
my womanly duties. I'd be deeply engrossed in some philosophical tome, able
to totally tune out my surroundings, when "Mr. Man" would be having some
sort of hissy fit about the state of the kitchen sink. Thppppppp! :-P
My present husband is the only adult I've ever been able to live with
harmoniously. He is one of the few people I've ever known who knows what's
really important in life, and only worries (or even notices) the state of
the house when we are having company. And then he does at least half of the
cleaning! Most of the time our house kind of looks like a college dorm,
with clothes and books laying about.
In another post on hostility and agression you said:
>Now if we all had to live together... heheh... bring on the therapists...
You said it sister! Yours truly would probably be the first one the rest of
the group would vote to be kicked out! It would be like "Real World" on
MTV. We could call it "Real Kundalini." "Watch what happens when 200 people
are picked to live in a (really freakin' huge) house! Watch what happens
when they stop being polite and start getting real....."
People read all sorts of things into messiness. They kind of take it
personally! Don't they realize that in a hundred years no one will care how
shiny one's bathtub was? I have a best friend and we are very dear to each
other, but if we ever had to live together our friendship would probably be
over within a week.
>Ocean
>I have a feeling that my boat
>has struck, down there in the depths,
>against a great thing.
>And nothing happens!
<snip>
I am not a huge poetry fan, but I really enjoy those short, profound ones.
"Ocean" has captured quite well "the bliss that has no object." Thanks for
sharing it with the list.
sincerely,
amckeon
(shocked and dismayed that it's Sunday in her neck of the woods already!)
Date: Sun, 14 Dec 1997 14:11:03 -0600
From: amckeonATnospamhsmail.nfld.k12.mn.us
To: kundalini-lATnospamexecpc.com
Subject: Re: The 7 headed beast
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Valerian wrote:
>my friend Mikell... went from a creative musician... into a temporary totally
>>dysfunctional philosopher...
Hey, is there any other kind? Imagine if Socrates lived today. Imagine him
trying to hold down a regular job, as say, a postal worker... I can relate!
How I wish I could make a living as a philosopher (I mean other than
getting a Doctoral Degree and teaching at a college, ew!). I mean there
aren't really any job descriptions like "Freelance Philosopher",
unfortunately, in my opinion.
You said temporary. How is your buddy doing now? Enquiring (nosy) minds
want to know!
Another synchronicity... As I was reading someone else's earlier post,
which blathered on about some nearly incomprehensible esoterica (mentioning
no names, but his initials are....) I wrote on the printout "Stop Making
Sense!" And then I read your post and got one of those twilight zone
feelings when I saw the *stop making sense* at the bottom, pleasant though!
That happens so often to me as I read posts from this list I should
probably shut up about it already. But, if you all will indulge me once
more... On another list I belong to, about my favorite soap opera (blushing
in shame), someone has started to sign her contributions with "Namaste".
Freaky, huh?
sincerely,
amckeon
(glad to see Valerian posting again)
Date: Sun, 14 Dec 1997 14:11:19 -0600
From: amckeonATnospamhsmail.nfld.k12.mn.us
To: kundalini-lATnospamexecpc.com
Subject: What God?
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Ruth wrote:
>This God is not the GOD that is the divine essence in all beings... it is more
>>likely a 4th dimensional extra terrestrial....
Ew! I have heard this concept before. Really don't like it. What can be
done? This is why the Jehovah's Witnesses insist that unless you pray
specifically to Jehovah, you could be praying to anyone or anything. As if
they are even pronouncing it correctly! Yaweh, Jehovah, Yehovah, etc. etc.
Give me a break! Sometimes when I pray I say "Dear God/dess, You know who
You are...." Could I be in trouble here?
somewhat worriedly,
amckeon
Date: Sun, 14 Dec 1997 14:11:13 -0600
From: amckeonATnospamhsmail.nfld.k12.mn.us
To: kundalini-lATnospamexecpc.com
Subject: re: 3 piercings
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Susanne Macrae wrote:
>some people drop her (kundalini) in her tracks for a time though!
Yep. I felt like I had to, in order to function in the world and take care
of my children. The manifestations were way too intense to even look
normal. Had I this list or some other kind of guidance (anything!) at the
time I probably would have done it differently.
>K doesn't always adhere to an observable progression up the spine.
Thank you for that. There seems to be little structure or rhyme or reason
to how things happen to me. I get the ocassional glimpse of truth or "aha!"
which really blisses me out, but I also have spent alot of time just riding
the waves of weirdness until they go away. Being on this list has been a
lot of help in putting the pieces of the puzzle together.
freda wrote:
>I would like to thank Gloria, Susanne, Harsh, amckeon and John...
You're welcome :).
>(kundalini) sounded "way out there" and I dismissed it in favor of being
>"nuts." I have not had any training... no one to whom I could turn...
Hello! Me too. Isn't this list just the best?
Gloria Greco wrote:
>...the body becomes solid like a board...
This could be seen by people around me. My daughter asked me why I was so
stiff and I started to cry (makes sense? not!).
>...burned the ends of my fingers...
I actually saw blisters rise, and then as suddenly, disappear.
>...putting his arms around me and taking my energy...
Which would send his body rocking too, at which point he would say "quit
that! you have no history of epilepsy!"
>...our work is mostly done in other dimensions
I always feel out of balance if I don't have enough "dream time." Sometimes
I feel compelled to take a nap for this purpose, even if I am not all that
physically tired.
>...total union with Divine Will... the duality dissolves...
Experienced this very seldom. Real life and societal expectations get in
the way. I like the idea of some cultures relieving one of responsibility
at a certain age so that one can go wander as a spiritual aspirant.
sincerely,
amckeon
Date: Sun, 14 Dec 1997 14:11:34 -0600
From: amckeonATnospamhsmail.nfld.k12.mn.us
To: kundalini-lATnospamexecpc.com
Subject: serenity
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forwarded from another list:
God/dess grant me the serenity to accept a post I cannot change,
Courage to walk past my computer without turning it on when I'm running
late for work,
And the wisdom to know the difference between "come to bed now" meaning
"let's have some fun" and "come to bed NOW" meaning "that computer has got
to go!" AMEN
amckeon
Date: Sun, 14 Dec 1997 14:11:23 -0600
From: amckeonATnospamhsmail.nfld.k12.mn.us
To: kundalini-lATnospamexecpc.com
Subject: re: Soul Mates
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M wrote:
>Why do you think this will happen?
<snip>
>You might leave him, or the two of you might leave together...
Anything is possible. I am just trying to be realistic. He is seven years
older than I, and women live an average of seven years longer than men. I
still have a living grandmother (96 years old with all her mental faculties
intact), all his grandparents and his father are dead. I am health
conscious. He smokes and eats junk food for dinner if I am not there to eat
something healthier with (another bitch about my present employment
situation :P).
Just playing the odds here. The odds are that I will be a widow for at
least 14 years. I don't want to lull myself into a false sense of security
by thinking he will always be here to nurture me.
On the other hand, I make him take vitamins, and I count on the theory that
each hug adds to your lifespan so I give him lots of those! And I pray
about it. Need to think more positively, though, so thanks for the reminder
:).
Adrienne wrote:
>I hope your husband lives a very long and interesting life.
Me too. Thanks for the good thoughts.
>sounds like he was still addicted (re: the old boyfriend)
Very perceptive of you. My husband was home when the old flame came a
knockin' and told me he noticed a bottle of something wedged under the
front seat of the flame's car. I was disappointed but not surprised. His
pediatrician got him hooked on diet pills when he was an overweight child
(and an embarrassment to his perfectionistic parents), so he has a lot of
history to overcome. I wish him well.
sincerely,
amckeon
Date: Sun, 14 Dec 1997 14:11:08 -0600
From: amckeonATnospamhsmail.nfld.k12.mn.us
To: kundalini-lATnospamexecpc.com
Subject: re: awakening through abuse
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Kurt wrote:
>Those who have abusive childhoods never really make it fully into their body...
Hello! As a very young child I would sometimes say over and over to myself
"me is me" and get totally freaked out at realizing I was in my body, that
I *was* my body. I would look down at my hands and think "my hands..." So
many of us live out of this round camera lens that focuses out from our
hair... Nearly impossible to put into words...
I remember going for days without brushing my hair or teeth, sleeping with
my glasses on...
Blythe wrote:
>I was more likely to go inside trees...
There was a weeping willow tree in our front yard, and I used to lay on my
belly on one of its large limbs, and let my arms and legs hang down as if I
were a big cat, a panther or a leopard. It was so peaceful listening to the
wind blow through the leaves and whip the branches around. It felt very
safe up there.
>...better at relating to god/dess than to people
Yes, me too. People are easier to hug, though :).
John wrote (in a response to 3 piercings):
>...sometimes it feels as though I could walk out in front of my body while
>>fully alert and walking down the hall.
This seems to be the space "I" usually occupy. It is bad for walking (lots
of bumping into things). I went to the theater with my daughters for their
birthday, and got up to go to the ladies room. I walked swiftly down the
aisle (not wanting to miss the start of the movie) and smack! right into a
wall. I could've sworn there was another aisle on the other side of the row
of seats. The wall was so black that it looked like space. I now know that
I cannot walk through walls even if I don't "believe" they are there. Kind
of a comfort, really :). Anyhoo, I went immediately into shock and felt no
pain, so was surprised to feel the warm blood trickle down my face. How
embarrasing for my kids! (They were cool about it, though.) I washed up,
and the wound seemed to heal, but kept breaking open as I laughed at each
scene in "Nothing to Lose." Probably should've gotten stitches, but the
scar (and my bent glasses) will remind me to pay more attention to where
I'm going.
And then there's driving.... :0.
"Sunday's child is full of grace" (heh),
amckeon
Date: Sun, 14 Dec 1997 14:11:38 -0600
From: amckeonATnospamhsmail.nfld.k12.mn.us
To: kundalini-lATnospamexecpc.com
Subject: re: From My Heart
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Blythe wrote:
>Jesus accepts this in me and has laughed with me about it. I try to keep my
>>focus on that from which he came.
I enjoyed reading this post. There is a book called "The Humor of Jesus,"
or something like that, in the recesses of my library; can't put my hand on
it at the moment. The biblical references provide slim "proof" of Jesus'
sense of humor, but that probably says more about the authors of the bible
than about the man/god himself. You find what you look for, as they say.
And if humanity didn't get its sense of humor from "that from which he
came" where else could it have come from? Humor is healing. There is even
scientific proof for that. Perfection has to include humor, or it isn't
perfect, JMHO.
>We are all of value to each other.
I agree.
sincerely,
amckeon
Date: Sun, 14 Dec 1997 10:46:42 -1000
From: Ruth Trimble <trimbleATnospamhawaii.edu>
To: kundalini-lATnospamlists.execpc.com
Subject: Sacred Cows
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Hi R... You say>> True enough. But it doesn't hurt to cow-tip a few
sacred cows every so often, just to see if they're really the stuck and
immovable parts of the spiritual landscape that they appear to be>>>>
Must say that is my sentiments too.. Let go of EVERYTHING.. and start over
looking at it all with fresh vision.. somewhat like artists have to do
when they take their first drawing class. Alter the structure of the
brain. I just hope I can keep doing this before senility freezes my
peptides! H ahah... Ruth
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Love allows freedom. Drop the idea that attachment and love are the same
thing. They are enemies. It is attachment that destroys love. (Osho)
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Date: Sun, 14 Dec 1997 10:51:31 -1000
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Subject: Dreams and Power
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Hi This came from a friend in England.. about Ken Page and Drunvalo
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I just got finished sharing with Nathan what I just experienced this weekend
in a workshop I sponsored by a man named Ken Page, and I wanted to pass it
along as I feel that it is very timely and important work that he is doing.
I just finished with a workshop with a man named Ken Page. He was with
Drunvalo Melchizedek when Drunvalo received the Merkaba meditation from his
Angels. Both Ken and Drunvalo received it together. Ken has gone on to
develope what he calls "Multidimensional Cellular Healing" which deals with
those subconsicous patterns and beliefs which are holding us back in the
present. The workshop was loaded with practical techniques and was a real
life-changing event for me.
One of the techniques I'd like to share with you is to set your alarm clock
for 30 minutes before you want to get up. Before you go to bed, ask yourself
a question you want to know. This is directed towards your Higher Self, and
it will use your dream state to give you an answer. It may help to write the
question down on a note card and put it by your alarm. When your alarm first
goes off, look at the question again, and ask it inwardly, then press the
"snooze" button on the alarm that goes off every ten minutes. Then go to
sleep again. The dreams that you have in that ten minutes will be connected
to the question you asked. When your alarm goes off again, do the same thing.
Do this until it's time to wake up.
Give yourself a couple of weeks to get your answer fully. This technique also
opens the pathway of communication between your consicous mind and your
subconsicous mind. Use your dreams that you get during the last 30 minutes
before you awaken as guides or "messages" from your higher self working
through your subconsicous mind.
Ken is really gifted at getting into the phychological cellar of the mind to
uncover those subconscious thoughts that keep us from being in present time.
By going in and uncovering those unconscious blocks, we can become fully
"here." We can free ourselves from limiting decisions we've made in the past
(and from past lives) and we can regain the aspects of our Self that have
"checked out" during traumatic experiences or times when a part of us just
said, "this is too painful, I don't want to be here." As a result I have felt
an integration and alignment of the other dimensions of my Self as I have
uncovered these subconsicous blockages and released them.
I don't know if this has any bearing on you. You will have to go and search
within yourself to see if this applies or not.
We have all come here with our own purpose and mission. Yours is unique to
you, and perfect for you. Learning to find what your mission and purpose is
here on Earth will help you to not judge how you are being. Perhaps it is
just the way it is supposed to be? But if you feel that there is something
inside you that blocks you, or keeps you from taking action, maybe that is a
subconscious block from the past. What if in a past life you took action and
got killed or imprisoned, or all of your family was killed, or something like
that? What if you made a decision in that life like, "I will never do that
again!" Those energies and fears of taking action would stay with you until
it was dealt with. It's just a possibility.
Anyway, I wanted to share this, as it has had a very profound effect on me and
my life.
Love to you, and blessings for the New Year.
Christan
Date: Sun, 14 Dec 1997 15:32:04 -0600
From: Athena <starwindATnospamgte.net>
To: amckeonATnospamhsmail.nfld.k12.mn.us
CC: kundalini-lATnospamexecpc.com
Subject: Re: 3 piercings
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>
> >K doesn't always adhere to an observable progression up the spine.
Interesting... Thanks... this gave me an *aha*
For several months now I have been having yet another *weird*
experience... but since most of my life seems to be *weird experiences*
I kinda sorta put it on the back burner...
I go to sleep on my right side... with my left hip up...early this
spring, a *phenomena* happened that has been repeated a lot...
As I am drifting off into the alpha state of sleep, I can feel
someone/something touching my left hip joint...it *feels* for all the
world like a dentist's drill ...starting at the skin above the joint,
and rooting deeper and deeper... in a pattern of a spiral... wider at
the top, coming to a point at the end...
There is *no pain* associated with this... merely pressure...its neither
pleasant nor unpleasant...
It stops when I turn over on my left side. Begins again when I shift to
my right side < if I am still awake >
It manifests about 2/3 times a week... sometimes just *barely* felt...
other times *very powerful*
I have asked several *psychic* friends, and several reiki and other
healers ... none could give me an answer which makes sense...< to me >
Anybody have similar experiences ??? or am I just a *nut* ????
Thanks,
Athena
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Love and Light unto your Path...THERE IS ONLY ONE OF US...Athena
Date: Sun, 14 Dec 1997 14:07:46 PST
From: "Kim Major" <kimajorATnospamhotmail.com>
To: kundalini-lATnospamexecpc.com
Cc: chooseagainATnospamthegrid.net
Subject: RE: [K] Dead bugs
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M and K List folks.....
Your timing couldn't be perfect with this dead bug thing. Just Saturday
morning, I had a vivid dream, full of symbolism with a bruja, sex, lab
experiments and a dead bug turning to ashes. I dislike bugs mostly and
to dream about them....ew! I find it interesting that you mention
this....how are you faring physically with the detox thing?
Is there anyone else on the list having any association with dead bugs?
List mistress?
Kimmers
M <chooseagainATnospamthegrid.net> wrote:
Anyone else ever see an unusually high proportion of dead bugs lying
around both here and there and know about its metaphysical
sinifigance/symbolism?
My intuition says it is an outward manifestion of the metal detox I am
going through and probably something good. Bugs to me (indoors anyway)
seem to symbolize irritants. I'd appreciate input on this.
Thanks,M
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Date: Sun, 14 Dec 1997 14:45:55 GMT
From: sassiATnospamworldnet.att.net (The Lesser Half)
To: NancyATnospamwtp.net
Cc: svcATnospaminfonet.com.py, kundalini-lATnospamexecpc.com
Subject: Re: Twin Flames
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Hi List, Nancy and Sarah,
This is what I have been trying to say in my own fumbling way.
I like Plato's version, right on the button for me.
Jack
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On Thu, 11 Dec 97 06:41:32 +0000, you wrote:
We were all originally born hermaphrodites (a person with both a
female and male sexual organ) and that then (talking back to Adam's
time now) God, split them and made them into two beings, thus making
all humans search for that twin mate.
There is a big between twin and soul mates. You may have many soul
mates but there only is one and only *one* soul mate. It is said that
it is very hard to find your twin mate, that very few will achieve it
in this life time, as each twin was set very far from the other, but
with the advent of internet and communications channel being opened up
so much, it is believed now that more will become
reunited.
A twin mate is that other half of you who is bonded to you throughout
eternity, and you are never alone. If that twin mate takes your hand
for the first time, the memory of this touch will trascend time and
send a jolt thru every atom of your being. You can look into each
other's eyes and you will your self completed in those eyes. It is
said that recognition is immediate, a sudden feeling of familiarity,
of knowing this new person at depths far beyond what the conscious
mind could know. At depths usually reserved for the most intimate
family member. Or even deeper than that. Intuitively knowing
what to say, how they will react. A feeling of safe and a trust far
greater than could be earned in only one day or one week or one month.
Twin recognition may also be subtle and slow. A dawning of awareness
as the veil is gently lifted. Not everyone is ready to see right
away. There is timing at work, and patience may be necessary for the
one who sees first.
You may be awakenened to the presence of your twin mate by a look,
a dream, a memory, a feeling. You may be awakened by the touch of his
hands or the kiss of her lips, and your soul is jolted back to life.
The touch that awakens you to this wholeness is of your beloved,
reaching across the centuries, to kiss you once again and to remind
you that you are together always, to the end of time.
Date: Sun, 14 Dec 1997 17:28:39 GMT
From: sassiATnospamworldnet.att.net (The Lesser Half)
To: shamanesATnospampacbell.net
Cc: NancyATnospamwtp.net, kundalini-lATnospamexecpc.com
Subject: Re: Twin Flame
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Dear Jack:
I don't know if I believe in twin flames.
THe electromagnetic connection you refer to has more to do with
recognition of resonance (which is not always our more positive
aspects), and with recognition of past/future life connections. I am
usually excited and wary of these connections at the same time,
because it often means there is some unfinished business - some
pleasant/unpleasant. Tread carefully.
This resonance, at this point, enables me to touch another
empathically. It is getting stronger and definetely has to do with
unfinished business.
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I have found that I am looking for resonance with my dreams now.
Looking for partners/friends who's dreams reflect the most joyous part
of my own, knowing that as I do so, this is what comes into my life.
Namaste
Thanks for your kind reply, Judith.
Jack
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