1997/12/13 12:27
kundalini-l-d Digest V97 #825
kundalini-l-d Digest Volume 97 : Issue 825
Today's Topics: Re: Sexual Energy [ TDVW36AATnospamprodigy.com ( THOMAS SMITH) ]
Re: More on the [ Ruth Trimble ] Happiness...... [ TDVW36AATnospamprodigy.com ( THOMAS SMITH) ]
Revelation (DonBB) [ destinyATnospamcyberramp.net ] Re: Working with Spirit [ "Harsh K. Luthar" ]
Re: Text on screen [ Richard Wentk
Hahahahahahah NO THANK YOU lol
LMAO
____ God Loves You Forever
Tom Date: Sat, 13 Dec 1997 05:57:01 -1000
From: Ruth Trimble To: Joseph Miller
cc: kundalini-lATnospamlists.execpc.com Subject: Re: More on the
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Hi Joe:
So you cannot find David Icke.. have you tried searching? Yahoo might help.
>>>You write. Otherwise all the websites and books in the world prove just one thing, freedom exists, you can write or say anything, no matter how
crazy, and you will be allowed to get away with it. There is no plot to implant these in people. People don't come into your
house and do it in your sleep. It just doesn't happen. X-Files is TV show it is not real life.
>>> Unfortunately Joe, there are many people on this planet right now who have
good reason to tell you that you are the one who is crazy. But you have the "politically approved" point of view, so you can say this and feel
quite comfortable you will not be having any visitors in black suits.
Yes Joe: Freedom to be hoodwinked and deluded exists too. You can think anything you choose and deny anything you want to. There is no plot to
keep good people from knowing they are being controlled. There is no plot to prevent the press from reporting the real news... Our government and
the black projects which absorb millions of hidden dollars do not hide what they do and Saddam Hussein is a nice guy... REALLY!
What is the point of having the kundalini awakened in you if you choose to
continue to be conditioned? With the k.awakened...It is possible to be able to see falsity and deception. Your awakening should be
the end of denial...and self deception. It is my wish that your awakening be a gentle one.
***** Date: Sat, 13 Dec 1997 11:46:29, -0500
From: TDVW36AATnospamprodigy.com ( THOMAS SMITH) To: kundalini-lATnospamexecpc.com
Subject: Happiness...... Message-Id:
Happiness cannot come from without.
It must come from within. It is not what we see and touch or
That which others do for us Which makes us happy,
It is that which we think And feel and do,
First for the other fellow and Then for ourselves.
--Helen Keller
____ God Loves You Forever
Tom Date: Sat, 13 Dec 1997 11:45:21 -0600
From: destinyATnospamcyberramp.net To: kundalini-lATnospamlists.execpc.com
Cc: DonBBenson Subject: Revelation (DonBB)
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In respect to the book of Revelations, Don, you wrote :
>1. Unless one believes that <God is>> and that He is able to communicate with
>His creatures, the whole idea of a <Revelation of Jesus Christ>> from God is >absurd.
> >2. If Jesus is not my Lord and Savior and I am not one of His servants, then I
>am not in any position to understand the Revelation which was given <to show >His servants>>.
Don,
It's your perspective. It's your lack of Spirit experience and knowledge that shines through your writings that makes both number 1 and 2, from the above,correct. Don't feel alone. You have the whole of Christianity in the same boat with you. That is not an insult; truly. It's just what is; fact.
I will attempt in this posting to clarify some points that, hopefully, will bring greater depth and meaning to why Jesus of Nazareths life, teachings, death and resurrection was necessary.
The Bible is a book that has been sadly misinterpreted. It is a book of Spirit about Spirit that speaks of a human experience. It is not a book of humans about humans that speaks of a Spiritual experience. This book is intended for those who are going through profound Spirit change. It is also intended for Christians who, ultimately, will go through similar change. That is how we will emerge in the new millennium; in Spirit.
I use the Lamsa Version of the Holy Bible. It is translated from the Peshitta (the authorized Bible of the Church of the East). The term Peshitta means straight, sincere and true, that is, the original.
The reason why I hold the Lamsa Version in higher regard than other translations, like the King James Version, etc., is that it is translated directly from the Aramaic language. Jesus spoke Aramaic as a first language. Jesus knew Hebrew, but certainly didn't speak Greek. As lots of things get lost in translations, wisdom dictates, go to the best source. Especially, when it concerns the Reality of your Spirit Life.
The fundamental Christian theological tenant is that Jesus Christ died on the cross for the sins of all mankind. In His dying, He took upon Himself every sin that was ever committed or will be committed. He was the reparation for all sins that men and women commit that keep them from God. Though one may commit a sin a thousand times, asking forgiveness after each and every time, still, all those sins were accounted for at the moment of Jesus' crucifixion and death. Jesus took the burden of all sin.
All you have to do to receive your unworthy forgiveness and unearned eternal Life is to claim Jesus Christ as your personal Saviour. To have a personal relationship with Him by reading and attempting to follow His words and teachings, daily. By living the Christian way of life in praise and worship
The reaction of those who have had Spiritual experiences, who have felt the loss of connection and sting of Christian slung arrows is certainly understandable. No longer being able to read or listen to the words of the Bible because of its humanistic interpretation, no longer able tolerate the ignorance of the "fundie" no-boundary approach and take no prisoner tactics, the Spiritually experienced have closed off and turned inward. It's a - been there, done that, got the T-shirt experience for them. The one fact Christians have consistently failed to understand about those who have moved on in their Spiritual Life is that there is actually something 'more' to move on to. Or, more accurately, less to hold on to and more to let go of.
The erroneous assumption and doctrine that Jesus died on the cross for all the errors and sins of mankind is simply outrageous and is completely contradictory to any notion of justice, let alone Spiritual Justice. It means the Bible is untrue. That vengeance is not the Lords, and God will not repay. Ultimately, it means our personal actions have no consequences.
In other words, Jesus died on the cross for your responsibilities. You get to claim the insanity of the 'old man' and all is forgotten and forgiven in the 'new man'. Jesus' gift to all was the loophole of all loopholes, the gift of total immunity from your crimes, whatever they may be. With Jesus as your personal Saviour you have nothing to fear; especially Divine Justice.
I could be a Ted Bundy, a Charlie Manson, a mass murderer, a rapist, a child molester, a terrorist that kills busloads of people or maybe even be an Adolph Hitler. At the moment of my death, all I've got to do is say and believe in my heart those wonderful magic words and, wham, bam, thank you Mam, I get a free ride on the Christian Eternity Express.
There have been thousands on Death Row in prisons who have claimed repentance and called on Jesus to be their personal Saviour before they we're executed. Out of deep personal terror of the unknown, who wouldn't? The Christian message of salvation has got to be the greatest escape ever conceived. Life is a joke compared to an eternity of no real consequences.
This misunderstanding of Jesus of Nazareth and His mission for being here truly undermines all of His teachings on your Spiritual Reality. With the Christian magical idea of salvation, you certainly don't need 1300 or 1400 extensive and involved pages called a Bible to explain the whole thing. A simple,10 page booklet with pictures, or maybe one Sunday of television, sitting, listening to one of those Hollywood ministers should do the trick.
The fall of man, the original sin, was our fall from Grace into the darkness and ignorance of sole identity with the human physical form and developed personality. This is what Jesus died and rose for. He was the reparation for our original sin from which all other sin comes. To prove by example that Spiritual Reality is fact in all. Jesus' death and resurrection repaired the psychosis, the illusion of our being separat
There are only two understandings that are possible. One is that we are our bodies and the developed personality in the banks of memory cells where we recall experiences. That, who we are, resides in the brain. That when we look out on the physical universe, we experience it from our five senses. It is from this understanding that we have our ideas and beliefs about these concepts called Spirit, God and Life. Yet, it is not something that is personally experienced apart from our emotional reactions.
The other is that we are Spirit. That we imbue and encase an infants body at birth, giving flesh Life. That, without our Spirit, the body could not survive beyond the umbilical cord of our mothers Spirit. That our Spirit controls all functions of the brain and body for its physical expression and experience. That though we have a body we are connected to all in the One.
In this Reality, Spirit is free from total identification with the body and the minds personal, collective memories. The reparation accomplished that. All of Life is experienced as multi-dimensional, fluid and as One.
Experiencing that I am first and foremost Spirit, alters my perception of all relationships in this physical universe. This is the Salvation promised from God. The removal of the insanity of division and separation. I can love my neighbor AS myself, because behind all skin, sex and personality of others is me.
Jesus, according to Christianity, was mankinds blood sacrifice. The blood of Jesus covers us and our sins. He was the sacrificial lamb. It is the entire foundation of Christian doctrine that an upset god closed the gates of heaven until the right blood sacrifice was made. That is not what Jesus came for and that is not what Jesus taught.
In St. Matthew, Chapter 9, verse 13, Jesus says:
"Go and learn what this means, I want mercy and not sacrifice; for I came not to invite the righteous man, but sinners."
He was speaking to the Pharisees. They were the teachers, ministers and members of the ancient Jewish sect that emphasized strict interpretation and observance of the Mosaic law. Today we have the fundamentalist preachers and ministers who emphasized strict observance and adherence to their interpretation of the Bible. Jesus would get on their case all the time. He rebuked them for their hypocrisy. Jesus said they're like "the blind leading the blind," and like "white sepulchers, which appear beautiful outwardly, but are within full of dead men's bones and all uncleanness."
Those who are aware of their Spirit Reality in the One and those now coming into that Awareness in experience realize what the Christ really means. Christ was not Jesus' last name. The Christ Spirit is One and the many. From the Creator outpoured the Holy Spirit, which is the Christ, from which all Spirits derived and are and remain eternally One.
The Christian movement falls prey to what I consider is the egotistical vanity of vanities. They believe they already know the whole truth. Their cup is full. They believe they understand the full context of the Bible and that their present interpretation of it is completely inerrant. They take great pride in rote memorization of Biblical quotes. Those are the bullets they load into their rational mind machine gun, ready for attack on anyone who, they feel, fundamentally steps out of their interpretation.
Romans, Chapter 10, verse 17, is an often quoted passage. It reads:
"So then, faith comes by hearing, and hearing by the word of God."
Christians have interpreted this quote to be referring to the Bible and its study. They refer to the Bible as 'the Word of God', so they conclude that the reading and studying of the Bible is key to the faith of Christianity.
Let's look at this carefully. In St. John, Chapter 1, verse1, it reads:
"The Word was in the beginning, and that very Word was with God, and God was that Word."
When you go to the first chapter of Genesis, you see how Gods' Word created everything. Let there be Light, let there be this, let there be that. Through Gods' Word ( Intention, Direction, Command ) things happen. Without His Word, nothing happens.
Faith does come by hearing. But, your hearing happens only if God opens your mind to Gods' Understanding. It really doesn't matter how many times you read the Bible. You can memorize the whole thing and it still won't make any sense unless the Spirit of God Spiritually opens your heart and your mind. The Bible is about Spirit. The Spirit that you are.
Modern day Christianity formulates its doctrine and teachings of Jesus of Nazareth with emphasis placed on the human physical body and its psyche. To them, your Life is a separate, singular, isolated event in need of guidance and salvation. That salvation, accordingly, was accomplished by the physical death of Jesus of Nazareth on a cross for your sins and through His physical resurrection. Yet, still you are separated from God. Your name, your body, your background experiences, registered in your separate brain as your unique memory is who you are. You are a human. (His creature)
You have this thing called a Spirit or a Soul, and must physically claim Jesus as your personal Saviour in order to receive salvation. After your death and the final day of judgement, your human physical body will be resurrected and rejoined with your Spirit. Then you will reside in that perfected physical human body, along with everybody else who makes the grade, for eternity in some place called Heaven. This is the fragmented delusion. The psychosis of the human perspective as Reality.
The dictionary defines humanism as : 1. A system of thought that centers on human beings and their values, capacities, and worth. 2. Concern with the interests, needs, and welfare of human beings.
Human beings are trapped in the belief that who and what they are revolves around their physical body, name and personality. As this belief is held by the majority of people, there is little wonder why the Bible or their rituals of worship would not be centered in human physical terms.
Christians look to the final resurrection of the body in terms of a renewal and resurrection of their own physical body. In actuality, when the Bible refers to the final resurrection of the body, it concerns the overall final resurrection of all Spirits in the One; i.e., the resurrection of the body of Christ. Body, meaning the totality of Spirits.
In St. Matthew, Chapter 22, verses 29-30, it reads:
"Jesus answered, saying to them, You err, because you do not understand the scriptures nor the power of God. For at the resurrection of the dead, men neither marry women, nor are women given to men in marriage, but they are like the angels of God in heaven."
Angels of God are Spirits. They are not physically human, though they can manifest as such at Gods bidding.
In 1 Corinthians, Chapter 15, verse 50, it reads :
"Now this I say my brethren, that flesh and blood cannot inherit the kingdom of God; neither does corruption inherit incorruption."
The response from the Christian Community has been sad, indeed. Instead of compassion, there is intolerance. Instead of mercy, there is judgement. Instead of love, there is fear. Instead of openness, there are cries of occultism, satanism, evil spirits, mental imbalance, insanity and that these experiences are totally un-Biblical. Christians are truly sincere in their beliefs and devotional worship. They are just asleep and Spiritually misled in their Biblical interpretations.
Is there any wonder why thousands of former Christians who actually have Spirit experience, who have been judged, rejected and abandoned by their fellow Christians might have some repressed anger or open resentment? Who are these self-righteous, infallible ones in the Christian Community who judge others negatively because they haven't experienced the same thing? Christian leadership demands a foundation in Spirit knowledge, which is not so today.
If Spiritual love, growth, understanding and awareness does not come first in your thoughts, words and actions, your Li and your writings have no real meaning.
Don.... I have to stop here. Study these words. Look up the scripture. But, in all your seeking, seek wisdom first. Ask God to open your mind and fill you with Spirit understanding and truth.
You have your indoctrination, conditioning and mind-set down pat. Put it aside. Nobody's going to take it from you. Open you mind. Learn to Listen.
Light and Love to all....
John bill beaudineDate: Sat, 13 Dec 1997 13:43:38 -0500 From: "Harsh K. Luthar"
To: Harsh Luthar CC: Susanne Macrae , M ,
kundalini-lATnospamexecpc.com, kundalini-lATnospamlists.execpc.com Subject: Re: Working with Spirit
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The use of mind altering drugs to experience different states of consciousness is dangerous. It is noted in the ancient Patanjali's
Sutras that there are people who experiment with this. However, it can lead to a psychic disaster, particularly for people who are pre-disposed
to the awakening of the Kundalini energy. God bless everyone and I do not wish to be critical. However, Alcohol (with the exception of half a
cup of wine in spiritual ceremonies) and drugs are pure poison, and are not suitable for spiritual aspirants. When one is ill, it is alright to
take medicine. But if one is feeling healthy, then there is no need to take drugs. I am forwarding a message from me last month.
Harsh
Harsh Luthar wrote:
> > Food does play a critical role in our mental and physical health. For an
> aspirant, alcohol, cigarerttes, and mind altering drugs may act like > poison. Certain drugs can prematurely release the Kundalini in some people
> who are not prepared for it. This causes hidden anxieties, uncertainties > and fears from the unconscious mind to come to the surface. It becomes
> difficult to understand and assimilate so much material from the > unconscious and hence causes suffering. The proper and the balanced
> approach to spiritual life is to regulate (if one is so inclined) one's > relationship with food, sensuality and sleep and seek the company of other
> spiritual people. The period of time one sits for meditation should be > increased gradually until one can retain the meditative mood in other
> activities. Practicing in this way, unperturbed by visionary > experiences and indifferent to superconscious states, one safely reaches
> the goal. >
> > On Wed, 19 Nov 1997, Susanne Macrae wrote:
> > > > The main things I had to do in my life were give up alcohol, cigarettes,
> > stop using chemicals for cleaning in the home, pay attention to my body > > and pay attention to what was happening to the planet, to the land.
> > I needed to give up unsatisfying work and focus on finding employment > > that brought joy to my heart. This I found by working for myself and
> > eventually starting a business. > >
> > The "paying attention to my body" and listening to the Kundalini > > messages and tuning into the intuitive self were really the most
> > important things. > >
> > Love, sue > >
> > Date: Sat, 13 Dec 1997 11:49:49 +0000
From: Nancy To: kundalini-1
CC: The Lesser Half Subject: Twin Flames in pop culture
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Thanks to tg for recommending the movie The Butcher's Wife for a twin flame perspective.
I'm wondering, does anyone else have any ideas of movies, books or
anything else in pop culture which tells the story of twin flames?
Some ideas I had for movies... The English Patient
Bridges of Madisson County Dead Again
Antoine suggested La Belle Histoire (French flick)
If you have any other suggestions for me, please rsvp through a private
email. (As this is again a bit off topic, this would be best. I'd be happy to forward these suggestions to anyone who is interested.)
Thanks!
Nancy
Date: Sat, 13 Dec 1997 18:51:38 +0000 From: Richard Wentk
To: kundalini-lATnospamexecpc.com Subject: Re: Text on screen
Message-Id:
At 10:25 12/12/97 PST, Susan Carlson wrote:
>And text on screen can be deeply healing. In my experiences on the net,
>the energy in words, is amplified by the net.
Yes!
Appreciation - thanks for saying all that.
>I practice a kind of aikido, you would call it. The energy of attack >comes to me and I learn to flow with the energy and it is transformed.
>Still a daily practice to do that.
Can you say more about how to do this in practice? I understand the *theory*, but getting it to work for real seems slightly harder.
Blessings,
R.
Date: Sat, 13 Dec 1997 10:52:41 -0800 From: anandajyoti
To: Kurt Keutzer , "heartzenATnospamlistserv.servtech.com" ,
"kundalini-lATnospamexecpc.com" CC: Susanne Macrae ,
Gloria Joy Greco , "'Harsh K. Luthar'" ,
gkieffer%netaxis.com.rebirth%san.rr.com.normdonATnospamuic.edu Subject: Re: HRTZEN: Re: Enlightenment & Piercing Knots.
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Kurt Keutzer wrote:
> >
> I wonder if any of you could clarify a couple things for me. The first is > simply a reference.
Anandajyoti>
I would suggest, if you are so inclined to get hold of Aurobindo's own writings.I give below the references.
The Life Divine, which includes : The Synthesis of Yoga, The Human Cycle, The Ideal of Human Unity, The Future Poetry, On the Vedas, The Upanishads, Essays on
the Gita, and the Foundation of Indian Culture. The whole book is 950 pages odd. Also the Topics have been separately published as Individual books.
Other good book of reference would be Sri Aurobindo on Himself and The Mother. You may first seek these out in your local library, if these are available.
The publishers in the U.S. could be Dutton Books, and the main one is Sri Aurobindo Ashram, Pondicherry , India. I found my collection from a major Book
Store, Macmillan's in London.
Kurt>
> The other experience is harder to define. The energy is associated with the > crown but the closest feeling I can relate it to is a kind of partriarchal
> power. ...... It was not negative in any way but it was not especially > compassionate. It has a kind of ``wisdom of the ages certainty'' about it. Can
> anyone explain the nature of this second energy.
Anandajyoti> The second kind of experience which you mention, could be , I say could be, (I may
wrong here, so please correct me , if I am wrong) , that you felt in sharing the wisdom coming out of the experience , in order that the recipients, may understand
more, and try to change their perspective. It is like love of the parent towards the
children. The parent may pass on the wisdom, through this kind and impersonal love, but if the recipients do not take it in its true light, lot of
misunderstanding may occur, when they construe the wisdom, as an imposition.
> Kurt: >I suppose any reasonable person would just serve their teachers, > meditate, study, reflect, be kind to others and silently rejoice in
> whatever personal realization they might have. But just as an artist must > sing or paint there is something in me (I won't call it an ``I'' anymore)
> that must still enquire and understand. >
Anandajyoti>The self inquiry never ends, till we understand all the dynamics and
comprehend them in its true light. The most pressing in accepting all the diversity and in spite of it all realizing
the substratum of the Unity behind. Just as we go to a theater and observe a movie, the pictures on the screen, change constantly giving us various scenarios,
we cry and laugh, dance and get depressed through the scenes, because we identify ourselves with the changing scenes. At that time we seldom realize or feel, that
these pictures presented are all for our enjoyment and experience, throughout. After the movie ends, the blank screen, which is the substratum, remains
unchanged, for another movie to be shown on it. So we find that also in our daily lives, that the scenes change constantly, so do our reactions and responses to
them change all the time. How many of us would really, see the blank substratum, behind it, and keep that in remembrance also?
That is why in ACIM , they always speak of staying in the present, and enjoying and experiencing, the ALL in ONE and the ONE in ALL. A constant remembrance of it.
I myself, have experienced the truth of this statement, through a very good friend
of mine, who has really been able to hone this idea in me, and practicing it , I have been able to know the truth behind.
A Very Joyous Christmas and the Best for the New Year to All.
Anandajyoti
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