1997/12/11 11:46
kundalini-l-d Digest V97 #815
kundalini-l-d Digest Volume 97 : Issue 815
Today's Topics:
Re: Soul Mates [ amckeonATnospamhsmail.nfld.k12.mn.us ]
Re: Soul Mates [ amckeonATnospamhsmail.nfld.k12.mn.us ]
Re: Enlightenment Traits [ "Susan Carlson" <divine_goddessATnospamhot ]
RE: The 7 headed beast [ Mike Stickles <msticklesATnospamantalys.co ]
RE: The 7 headed beast [ Mike Stickles <msticklesATnospamantalys.co ]
Re: Soul Mates [ M <chooseagainATnospamthegrid.net> ]
The Stars reflect/support ? [ Athena <starwindATnospamgte.net> ]
Re: Soul Mates [ Blythe <merlinATnospampnn.com> ]
Re: Enlightenment [ Athena <starwindATnospamgte.net> ]
Neglect...What kind of Karma? [ iri <iriATnospamivyrealty.com> ]
using feelings to avoid feelings [ hbarrettATnospamix.netcom.com (Holly N. Ba ]
Re: The 7 headed beast [ freda <fredaATnospamblarg.net> ]
Sexuality and the Goddess [ paulATnospamlouisville.lib.ky.us ]
Re: The Stars reflect/support ? [ "danelle t" <danelletATnospamhotmail.com> ]
Re: The 7 headed beast [ "Susan Carlson" <divine_goddessATnospamhot ]
Re: Re: The Stars reflect/support ? [ DouglasMF <DouglasMFATnospamaol.com> ]
Date: Thu, 11 Dec 1997 09:28:05 -0600
From: amckeonATnospamhsmail.nfld.k12.mn.us
To: kundalini-lATnospamexecpc.com
Subject: Re: Soul Mates
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Ruth wrote in response to "heartbroken":
>He will be back... but in the
>meantime you are clearly meant to be getting on with something else.
I agree. The very day I was moving in with my second soul mate, the first
one literally came knocking on the door! He told me he had been through
treatment for his drug addiction... I hugged him and told him that that was
a wonderful thing. Then he asked me if I was happy. I said *yes*. He was
surprised and disappointed. How could I be happy without him? But, after
not seeing him for two years, I had moved on...
sincerely,
amckeon
(who apologizes for reading and responding to her email in kind of a weird
order)
Date: Thu, 11 Dec 1997 09:28:16 -0600
From: amckeonATnospamhsmail.nfld.k12.mn.us
To: kundalini-lATnospamexecpc.com
Subject: Re: Soul Mates
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M wrote:
>"love allows the loved to decide when it
>is time to leave this life."
Very profound. I am surprised you heard this in a Christian Church. They
are usually so judgemental about suicide as an "easy" way out. Gotta be
here and suffer some more, dammit! Your minister must be more enlightened
than most.
>All my relationships have been different since then. Always both attachable
>and detachable, I guess you'd say.
Yes. A good way to go. I really aim for it, but as the years go by and I
love my husband deeper and deeper, I know that letting him go will be one
of the hardest things I will ever have to do. This list better still be
around, then, 'cause I'll really need it!
Happy Thursday!
amckeon
Date: Thu, 11 Dec 1997 07:22:19 PST
From: "Susan Carlson" <divine_goddessATnospamhotmail.com>
To: kundalini-lATnospamexecpc.com, tgxxxATnospamjuno.com
Subject: Re: Enlightenment Traits
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Dear TG,
You wrote:
>This seems to me to be a sparkling example of an enlightened person.
It
>was rather long, so I posted it to a website - 2 pages long. I think
all
>of you would find this chapter most enlightening and enjoyable reading.
>Here's the website:
>
>http://members.aol.com/Teeegeee/enlight1
I love this! Thanks for sharing it with us/me.
It gives me a good mirror to look at myself in practical, every day
gotta get up and go to work and be with other human beings kinda way.
It was definately a keeper.
Love,
Susan
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Date: Thu, 11 Dec 1997 10:32:33 -0500
From: Mike Stickles <msticklesATnospamantalys.com>
To: Kirk Anderson <d242kaosATnospamgte.net>
Cc: kundalini-lATnospamexecpc.com
Subject: RE: The 7 headed beast
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Actually, my experience with prophecies (Biblical,
personal and otherwise) leads me to believe that,
when they are primarily symbolic, interpretation by
anyone (often including the prophet) will be quite
difficult until the time of its fulfillment. My belief in
the general meaning of the symbols comes from
examining Old Testament prophecies which have
already been fulfilled in a historical sense, such as
many in Daniel, Isaiah and Ezekiel.
This is not to say that the historical interpretation,
the relating of the symbols to a specific event or set
of events, is the only possible interpretation. Some
prophecies appear to have multiple meanings, and
I know many people who have gleaned personal
insights from prophecies which have already been
fulfilled in a historical sense. This may be what
Mouravieff was alluding to (who is he? never heard
of him before) - that the symbols have a spiritual
significance beyond the historical correlation, and
not everyone sees that significance.
There is an old saying, whose origin I do not know
but which I find to be quite accurate: "Man does
many things to accomplish one thing, but God does
one thing to accomplish many things." I think that
applies quite well to prophecy.
- Mike
Date: Thu, 11 Dec 1997 10:51:56 -0500
From: Mike Stickles <msticklesATnospamantalys.com>
To: madammumATnospamptialaska.net
Cc: kundalini-lATnospamexecpc.com
Subject: RE: The 7 headed beast
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Valerian wrote:
<snip>
>quotes from the Bible, & particularly the Book Of
>Revelations, are often part & parcel of the mind of the
>psychopath, who has taken a personal interpretation
>beyond the realm of what is generally perceived to be
>by the so-called Moral Majority (which is neither), &
>applied in bizarre & violent actions against others,
>believing he is being directed by God.
<snip>
Prophecies often contain archetypal symbols of great power,
which can overwhelm minds which are unstable or do not
have a firm foundation. That is one of the reasons that every
church I have been a part of has discouraged new believers
from attempting to interpret the Revelation - it often tends to
unbalance their spiritual life as they wrestle with symbols
and timelines, becoming withdrawn if they fail or arrogant if
they believe they've succeeded, to the complete neglect of
any spiritual growth in the present.
I once heard a Christian comedy routine where the guy was
talking about the pre-, mid- and post-tribulationist views of
Revelation. He then said, "I'm a pan-tribulationist 'cause I
figure it'll all pan out the way God wants it to." That's where
I'm at. I don't believe the prophecies are designed to be
interpreted ahead of time (at least in a historical sense), but
as a way for us to recognize the events when they hit. And
the symbolism can provide a wealth of spiritual insight apart
from any historical interpretation.
- Mike
Date: Thu, 11 Dec 1997 08:09:18 -0800 (PST)
From: M <chooseagainATnospamthegrid.net>
To: amckeonATnospamhsmail.nfld.k12.mn.us
Cc: kundalini-lATnospamexecpc.com
Subject: Re: Soul Mates
Message-Id: <199712111609.IAA18787ATnospammail.thegrid.net>
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At 09:28 AM 12/11/97 -0600, amckeonATnospamhsmail.nfld.k12.mn.us wrote:
>M wrote:
>>"love allows the loved to decide when it
>>is time to leave this life."
>
>Very profound. I am surprised you heard this in a Christian Church. They
>are usually so judgemental about suicide as an "easy" way out. Gotta be
>here and suffer some more, dammit! Your minister must be more enlightened
>than most.
It was a metaphysical church - Religious Science.
>>All my relationships have been different since then. Always both attachable
>>and detachable, I guess you'd say.
>
>Yes. A good way to go. I really aim for it, but as the years go by and I
>love my husband deeper and deeper, I know that letting him go will be one
>of the hardest things I will ever have to do. This list better still be
>around, then, 'cause I'll really need it!
Why do you think this will happen? Why should it? All sorts of other
things might happen instead. You might leave him, or the two of you might
leave together. ETC.
Yes, happy Thursday. I was just trying to remember what day it was and there
it was in you mail. . .I love it when it works that quickly. I appreciate
the message, the messenger and The Source which connects us all. Thanks
M
M
Date: Thu, 11 Dec 1997 10:44:11 -0600
From: Athena <starwindATnospamgte.net>
To: kundalini-lATnospamlists.execpc.com
Subject: The Stars reflect/support ?
Message-ID: <3490185B.5481ATnospamgte.net>
Hi all
Having gone through some real strange energy shifts in the last two
weeks, I asked on another list if there were a possible astrological
involvement, especially with the planetary alignment.
This is part was the answer I got... interesting...
" I'm an Astrologer and I noticed the shape of the planetary lineup
beginning
with the sun conjunct pluto in Saggitarius followed by Mercury at O
degrees
Capricorn then the moon,mars,venus,neptune. Uranus and Jupiter in
Aquarius
ending with Saturn in Aries,retrograde leading as the pointer.
....The shape reminded me of a serpent....
Since it began in a fire sign Sagitarius and
ended in Aries I interpreted the lineup as THE PATH OF TRANSFORMATION
with
Saturn leading as the cutting edge, THE TRAILBLAZER. When Saturn goes
stationary direct on the 16th of December you can expect things to
really
gel and move ahead."
hmmmm, interesting... So do the heavenly bodies support, reflect, or
lead the way ????
Who knows ????........ just another *piece* of the jigsaw puzzle
May the Light shine brightly unto your path
Athena
--
Love and Light unto your Path...THERE IS ONLY ONE OF US...Athena
Date: Thu, 11 Dec 1997 08:37:22 -0800 (PST)
From: Blythe <merlinATnospampnn.com>
To: amckeonATnospamhsmail.nfld.k12.mn.us
Cc: kundalini-lATnospamexecpc.com
Subject: Re: Soul Mates
Message-Id: <199712111637.IAA16155ATnospampnn.com>
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once upon a time, you And M wrote:
>
>>All my relationships have been different since then. Always both attachable
>>and detachable, I guess you'd say.
>
>Yes. A good way to go. I really aim for it, but as the years go by and I
>love my husband deeper and deeper, I know that letting him go will be one
>of the hardest things I will ever have to do. This list better still be
>around, then, 'cause I'll really need it!
>
>Happy Thursday!
>amckeon
Amkeon, I'm with you and M both. I'm moving more and more strongly into an
attached/non-attached place in my relationships. At the same time, the
partner I've known of since I was 12, and been with since I was 28 or so,
becomes dearer and dearer to me, best friend, partner, lover. I quail from
even thinking about his absence from my physical life. At the same time, I
am less attached to him than I was, and somehow, because of that, able to
love him even more.
Blythe
Date: Thu, 11 Dec 1997 11:03:38 -0600
From: Athena <starwindATnospamgte.net>
To: lodpressATnospamintercomm.com
CC: Kurt Keutzer <keutzerATnospamsynopsys.com>, smacraeATnospamcamtech.net.au,
kundalini-lATnospamexecpc.com, heartzenATnospamlistserv.servtech.com,
gkiefferATnospamnetaxis.com
Subject: Re: Enlightenment
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Gloria Greco wrote:
>
> Kurt Keutzer wrote:
> >
> >
> Gloria responds:
> Sue, I understand what your saying, I only have my experience to rely
> on and those individuals that I have worked with over the years. Since
> no one has had the experience in the same way that I have, I can only
> say what it does during and after the experience in terms of
> consciousness.
Don't we ALL have *just* our experiences to rely on...reading something,
and *experiencing* it are two vastly different things...
> Then came the direct eye to eye, heart to heart...AWAKE in the middle
> of the night. My heart literally was beating through out my body, my
> ears felt like they would explode, I don't connect this experience to
> kundalini in the least, and didn't as of yet even know what kundalini
> was. There was no doubt what this was, it was Christ awakening in me as
> Consciousness. The word was Awake. That totally changed me, because he
> brought me out of sleep (literally and spiritually) and into what
> spiritual reality is.
I had a similar experience in the summer of 1975. Even though I had
been involved in, reading and studying many many disciplines since the
late 60ies, it never occurred to me that this had anything to do with
kundulini... and to this day I am not entirely sure it did...but it sure
was a trumpet call to awaken my conciousness...from reading words, the
intellectual... to BEING
> But, important information that goes with this, you don't control it,
> whatever is meant to be is how it is going to come through and down. The
> energies that were released in me were from spiritual forces cosmically,
> again this wasn't kundalini in the traditional sense. This wasn't
> something that was from my body that did this, it connected up directly
> to God's Will for me in alignment with my spiritual assignment and
> purpose.
Yo comprende... *grin*
These manifestations are initiations.
> And, after every one I am totally different then before.
Absotively !
> I do feel that the ultimate purpose behind the movement is
> consciousness, and the initiations are made according to ones ability to
> work with the mystical forces behind life.
behind, and *through* life... conciousness... awareness
> Now, was this off the subject,
You touched my heart luv, and I would bet many other's
Namaste,
Athena
--
Love and Light unto your Path...THERE IS ONLY ONE OF US...Athena
Date: Thu, 11 Dec 1997 08:59:41 -0800
From: iri <iriATnospamivyrealty.com>
To: kundalini-lATnospamlists.execpc.com
Subject: Neglect...What kind of Karma?
Message-Id: <199712120501.XAA15376ATnospamsmtp1>
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He was in a good home for the first 3 years of his life...obviously loved
deeply. They tell me he has gone from home to home...Ours is an interim
place...his new father will be coming to stay with us in the middle of
December and then the two of them will be our guests until January 2nd or
3rd. After his first home, we are not entirely certain but we think he was
neglected. When we met him at the doctor's office where he was undergoing
treatment, he was a filthy thing. I suspect he hadn't had a bath in 6
months. The place he lived in was flea infested. Before we met him, he had
been defleaed (if that is the proper word). The poor fellow is about 4 years
old now...maybe 4 and half...he seems finally to be eating okay...tho' he
was extremely nervous and had diarehea when he first came to be with us for
a visit.Fear of a new home...wonder what abuses/neglect the poor little
fellow went through...guess we'll never know for sure...going to miss the
little fellow when his father takes him home. At least we know that he has
gone to good home...one where he will get lots of love and attention. He is
much happier these days...Skipper, as he is called, is now a very lucky
little fellow. we for our part will miss seeing him around our place, miss
the sound of his little voice, miss seeing his smile, even miss combing his
fine hair for him, miss watching him play with what must surely be a big dog
to him (our boxer)...but he'll come back with his father for a visit
periodically...We're certain of that. We've known his father for many years.
What kind of Karma does this little fellow have I wonder...hope it is good
Karma now if it wasn't before...he needs a break.
Date: Thu, 11 Dec 1997 11:35:34 -0600 (CST)
From: hbarrettATnospamix.netcom.com (Holly N. Barrett, Ph.D.)
To: kundalini-lATnospamexecpc.com
Subject: using feelings to avoid feelings
Message-Id: <199712111735.LAA24889ATnospamdfw-ix3.ix.netcom.com>
Joseph wrote about Nazism being a feeling-based movement and about our
own culture's obsession with instant gratification. I would argue that
both self-righteousness and greed aren't really feelings at all but
defenses against feeling what is really there -- ways of regulating
comfort. What might be really there? Disappointment? Utter
aloneness? Loss? Terror? These realms are, of course, exactly where
kundalini prods us to look. We can't get to the joy till we do. Holly
Date: Thu, 11 Dec 1997 10:03:16 -0800
From: freda <fredaATnospamblarg.net>
To: Mike Stickles <msticklesATnospamantalys.com>
CC: madammumATnospamptialaska.net, kundalini-lATnospamexecpc.com
Subject: Re: The 7 headed beast
Message-ID: <34902AE4.6850ATnospamblarg.net>
Mike wrote:
<snip>
> I don't believe the prophecies are designed to be
> interpreted ahead of time (at least in a historical sense), but
> as a way for us to recognize the events when they hit. And
> the symbolism can provide a wealth of spiritual insight apart
> from any historical interpretation.
I have thought this to be so for a long while, when discussing it with
others, some have agreed. It makes sense that anything OF God would have
to be given in such a mannor. (my limited mind maybe?) -my- logic leads
-me- to beleive that any "authority" sending a message FROM God would
have sense enough to know that things change here on this plane and so
whatever "warning"? would have to be able to span the ages so to speak.
(certainly I am no expert) but as far as I have studied it, almost any
period in recorded history can apply its content to its time, and the
paranoid of the populace will no doubt be proclaiming THE END IS UPON US
as long as these scriptures are with us. That's accually a good thing,
for the social consciouness, it keeps us on our toes. :)
...................
BTW ~ for the record, just so I don't offend anyone along the way. I
have no religous ties, I belong to no organization or "group" (besides
this list). Please, do not interpret anything I post as preaching as I
have nothing to preach, my views are intirely my own ` manufactured from
MY perceptions. I cannot quote scriptures, I am not interested in the
who or the when ~ I am looking for the HOW. (how do I get it?, how does
it feel? how do I get more? ect..)
I personally think of Jesus as a very enlightened individual who shared
his insights with others. I believe his "christhood" is attainable by
anyone who aspires to be enlightened on the "christ" path. It is also my
belief that Jesus expected his followers to find their own "christhood"
within themselves. Unable to do this, his followers worshiped HIS
enlightenment rather than search for their own.
What a terrible thing to burden another entity with! I wouldn't want to
be held responsible for the "salvation" of millions of fellow entites, I
really do feel for the guy. Therefore, mine is one less he'll need to
worry about.
As to the contributors to the scriptures? Reads to me like these
entities were working out their own paths, not unlike those of us on
this list. They don't have all the answers. They don't seem any more
sure of themselves than I do most of the time,(they too are resting an
awful lot on faith) they have their "piece of the puzzle" but there
doesn't seem to be much whoopla about "their" having assended - as their
mentor, Jesus, had - so I suppose they didn't have all the pieces yet.
....still bouncing :) :0 ~~~~~ :) !
Freda ~ BE-IS-AM
http://www.blarg.net/~freda/01rg/hm/frhm.htm
Date: Thu, 11 Dec 1997 13:00:04 -0500
From: paulATnospamlouisville.lib.ky.us
To: kundalini-lATnospamexecpc.com
Subject: Sexuality and the Goddess
Message-Id: <E0xgCu4-0003BI-00ATnospamiglou.com>
I'm a little embarrassed to discuss this, but what the hell. Over the
past couple of years I have been trying to make a spiritual connection
with the women I meet and date. Of the last four women I have met and
been interested in, three turned out to be lesbian. That by no
means diminishes my respect for these ladies, but it has made my social
life a bit frustrating to say the least.
And this is also not without lessons as I have chosen to let my feelings
be known, which for me is a big accomplishment, but I wonder, what kind of
samskara is being released or worked through here. And I can
catagorically state that this is not a dymanic I'm seeking out. In other
words, I'm not trying to avoid a relationship by going after an
unattainable goal.
Any feedback or insight would be most appreciated.
Paul
Date: Thu, 11 Dec 1997 10:08:51 PST
From: "danelle t" <danelletATnospamhotmail.com>
To: kundalini-lATnospamlists.execpc.com
Subject: Re: The Stars reflect/support ?
Message-ID: <19971211180851.11046.qmailATnospamhotmail.com>
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Having gone through some real strange energy shifts in the last two
weeks, I asked on another list if there were a possible astrological
involvement, especially with the planetary alignment.
May the Light shine brightly unto your path
Athena
There is also the aspect of the photon belt which came into our
atmosphere on Dec 8th. Usually earth enters this for a period of 1-4
months, but this time we shall be in its grip for a year. The main
purpose of this photon belt is to raise the vibrations here on the
planet. Since we are entering the end of the 26,000 year cycle it is
here to boost those who havent started out on the path yet, but should
be on it. ;-) A little help to get them started you could say. I have
noticed in the past few weeks people who NEVER had an interest in
metaphysics or the Kundalini process coming into our store and seeking
answers. Answers to questions that came to them in dreams or just
because they feel something is going on and wan tto know what it is all
about. Just another tidbit of info on the astrological side.
danelle-
your ability to accept reality relies on your ability to percieve it.
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Date: Thu, 11 Dec 1997 10:12:43 PST
From: "Susan Carlson" <divine_goddessATnospamhotmail.com>
To: msticklesATnospamantalys.com, fredaATnospamblarg.net
Cc: madammumATnospamptialaska.net, kundalini-lATnospamexecpc.com
Subject: Re: The 7 headed beast
Message-ID: <19971211181244.22193.qmailATnospamhotmail.com>
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Dear Freda,
You wrote:
>...................
>BTW ~ for the record, just so I don't offend anyone along the way. I
>have no religous ties, I belong to no organization or "group" (besides
>this list).
Wow....guess maybe a surgeon general's warning when we talk about
different interpretations of God/dess and spirituality...would help:
Warning: speaking your/our mind can be hazardous to your/our mind...
or at least push a few buttons and make us/me think.
lol :-D
just for the record...i can separate the message from the messenger.
didnt always have that level of discernment. (and i dont always do
that,letting my feelings react instead of standing in awareness and
watching the feelings react and be fascinated with that).
often the messages of which i have the greatest offense to are delivered
by people who open up an avenue of healing within my heart.
who has not tasted bitter medicine before? And these messages are often
delivered by people I would consider my soul mates...for they hold a
mirror up to my wounds.
and please, you cant offend me...only my belief systems. they need to be
offended and often...if they cant stand up to honest inquiry...who needs
'em.
and to be perfectly honest, there really are days I just dont care
to look at my wounds...what i really want would be some more icecream
and a big long hug. yummy :-d
Blessings,
Susan
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Date: Thu, 11 Dec 1997 13:29:02 EST
From: DouglasMF <DouglasMFATnospamaol.com>
To: danelletATnospamHOTMAIL.COM, kundalini-lATnospamlists.execpc.com
Subject: Re: Re: The Stars reflect/support ?
Message-ID: <4699e6f3.349030f0ATnospamaol.com>
Dear Danielle,
What? I have never heard of a photon belt. Photons are particles of light
thats about as much as I know. Where did you get this information? Who said
we are entering this on the 8th of Dec and why is this not in mainstream
literature? I am a quite avid reader of publicatons involving the stars and
space and this is honestly the first time i have come across this. I am
interested in reading more so please let me know.
-danny
In a message dated 12/11/97 1:10:05 PM, you wrote
<<There is also the aspect of the photon belt which came into our
atmosphere on Dec 8th. Usually earth enters this for a period of 1-4
months, but this time we shall be in its grip for a year. The main
purpose of this photon belt is to raise the vibrations here on the
planet. Since we are entering the end of the 26,000 year cycle it is
here to boost those who havent started out on the path yet, but should
be on it. ;-) >>
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