1997/12/11 08:18
kundalini-l-d Digest V97 #814
kundalini-l-d Digest Volume 97 : Issue 814
Today's Topics:
Re: awakenings due to abuse [ "Debora A. Orf" <dorf01ATnospammail.win.or ]
Re: The 7 headed beast [ "Kirk Anderson" <d242kaosATnospamgte.net> ]
awakening through abuse [ Kurt Keutzer <keutzerATnospamsynopsys.com> ]
Re: The 7 headed beast [ valerian <madammumATnospamptialaska.net> ]
Re: 3 Piercings (was Re: Enlightenme [ Susanne Macrae <smacraeATnospamcamtech.net ]
Re: 3 Piercings (was Re: Enlightenme [ Susanne Macrae <smacraeATnospamcamtech.net ]
Re: 3 Piercings (was Re: Enlightenme [ Susanne Macrae <smacraeATnospamcamtech.net ]
Re: Twin Flames [ acarre <acarreATnospamconcentric.net> ]
Tantric Numerology/Ten Body System [ ori^ <oriATnospameskimo.com> ]
my introduction to the list ;-) [ "danelle t" <danelletATnospamhotmail.com> ]
Re: The 7 headed beast [ GSDonne <gsdonneATnospamiinet.net.au> ]
hostility and all that stuff. [ John Halonen <halonenATnospamflash.net> ]
Re: 3 Piercings (was Re: Enlightenme [ "Harsh K. Luthar" <hlutharATnospamresearch ]
Re: Emotional Plague [ "Joseph Miller" <joemillerATnospamhotmail. ]
Re: Twin Flames [ "Susan Carlson" <divine_goddessATnospamhot ]
RE: Some stupid questions about term [ amckeonATnospamhsmail.nfld.k12.mn.us ]
Date: Wed, 10 Dec 1997 21:37:39 -0600 (CST)
From: "Debora A. Orf" <dorf01ATnospammail.win.org>
To: Blythe <merlinATnospampnn.com>
cc: kundalini-lATnospamexecpc.com
Subject: Re: awakenings due to abuse
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On Wed, 10 Dec 1997, Blythe wrote:
> I was also sexually abused. I believe that's where my problems with
> clairsentience came from, also my silence as a child {I physically could NOT
> speak}.
i went from the kid who could talk to walls to the kid whose voice coudl
hardly be heard. yikes! i hope that person has found some peace. that
karmic ramification is scary.
> I know that God seemed the only solidity, safety, consistency and real
> love, though I was as much yearning for Him/Her as being blissed. Also, I
> was more likely to go inside trees, dogs, birds, wind, than into Light. I
> could get into them more consistently.
i could never 'leave' but i could blank out, go up, pray really hard, then
if i was lucky my spine would tense and go rigid and i would be *away*
with the angels. ONe time i saw a sun circling another sun. that was cool.
> I hadn't thought about whether that explains my big heart center.
Trungpa Rinpoche speaks of this. This wound we all carry we try to
protect, but *it* is the the gift that connects us to the world. if you've
been hurt, you feel what? you feel all torn 'open'. this made more sense
than anything else.
one time doing prostrations before my altar (another wierd buddhist
thing... part of the prelims for Dzogchen includes 100,000 prostrations) i
let myself touch this place. i let go. i did not 'own' it. then it shot
out tendrils and hooks and i started crying. 'we' are all made of watery
tears of joy and saddness in its different quantities. i felt like a
flowering vine.
> Neither my brother nor my sister have heart centers as open, but my brother
> was also sexually abused. But then he did turn around and abuse me... Maybe
> that closed him down?
oh bummer. that's too bad. but its hard situation. it hurts like hell and
getting out of hell is not easy.
> All three of us came out better at relating to God/dess than to people.
me 2. me 2! altho i'm taking a slight variation on a theme path, me 2.
but that goddess god or buddha nature is like--in all of them. that heart
hook knows that :).
peace and rainbows thrown all over ya! (dont worry they will grow) :)
--dao
Date: Wed, 10 Dec 1997 22:47:15 -0500
From: "Kirk Anderson" <d242kaosATnospamgte.net>
To: "Mike Stickles" <msticklesATnospamantalys.com>,
"List Posts Kundalini" <kundalini-lATnospamexecpc.com>
Subject: Re: The 7 headed beast
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Mike:
I think heads and horns
in Biblical prophecy are almost always symbols for
political entities, powers or persons
Me:
Mouravieff seems to indicate that books like the Revelation of John are
written by and for only a certain type of person. He claims that only a
person of certain spiritual attainment will be able to interpret the symbols
in it, and that anyone else will be left with nothing but conjecture and
subjective interpolation. Like all of those symbols are a part of a very
coherent, focused communication aimed at developing a certain spiritual
state, rather than >only< a document succeptible to prophetic
interpertation...
Thoughts?
242
Date: Wed, 10 Dec 1997 19:47:03 -0800
From: Kurt Keutzer <keutzerATnospamsynopsys.com>
To: kundalini-lATnospamlists.execpc.com
Cc: dorf01ATnospammail.win.org
Subject: awakening through abuse
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Debra Orf asks:
>Can anyone relate child abuse incidents to a K experience?
>
>i keep thinking back, i was sexually abused, and in my efforts to survive,
>think i tripped the K circuits on in the wetware. the abuse was a few
>incidents, but they seared my soul and my heart.
>
>the cool thing is it gave me a BIG heart center. you ever notice the
>wounded place that connects? its like--WOW! we are all made of tears.
>
>instead of becoming really dysfunctional, i would go into the light. when
>things got tough, i would get high on this light. Bliss as a drug almost.
>(K does prozac or something).
>
>as i got older, it became the urge to survive, to grow, to heal. now its
>to become an adult, to help others survive, grow & heal.
>
>it ahs made me very sensitive to stories of rape or torture. sometimes
>its so strong its like i'm there. yikes! instant images in my mind and
>tugs at the heart center. mental hug and lots of tonglen! >anyone else?
>
>--janpa
Seems like Angelique posted a very similar story a while back. Make sure
you connect with her on the issue.
I read Barbara Brennan's ``Hands of Light'' a while back. She has a kind of
physical typology (similar to that used in Reichian therapy). She mentioned
in there that many victims of childhood abuse are quite spiritual. Her
model is that the soul slowly descends and resonates with the body as the
body develops in childhood. This makes a good deal of sense to me. Those
who have abusive childhoods never really make it fully into their body.
They tend to stay in the upper chakras etc. After reading this I began to
ask particular ``energetic types'' about their childhoods and I found that
what Barbara Brennan was saying was true. The additional challenge for such
individuals(as though such a life wasn't challenging enough) is to gain the
ability to re-integrate with your body and to heal the places where the
unconscious experiences have accumulated.
Kind REgards
Kurt
Date: Thu, 11 Dec 1997 19:08:52 -0800
From: valerian <madammumATnospamptialaska.net>
To: Kirk Anderson <d242kaosATnospamgte.net>
CC: Mike Stickles <msticklesATnospamantalys.com>,
List Posts Kundalini <kundalini-lATnospamexecpc.com>
Subject: Re: The 7 headed beast
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> Mike:
> I think heads and horns
> in Biblical prophecy are almost always symbols for
> political entities, powers or persons
>
> kirk:
> Mouravieff seems to indicate that books like the Revelation of John are
> written by and for only a certain type of person. He claims that only a
> person of certain spiritual attainment will be able to interpret the symbols
> in it, and that anyone else will be left with nothing but conjecture and
> subjective interpolation. Like all of those symbols are a part of a very
> coherent, focused communication aimed at developing a certain spiritual
> state, rather than >only< a document succeptible to prophetic
> interpertation...
>
> Thoughts?
v: or a very poetic & artistic *fringe element* type personality, who -
when reading it even today, can be pushed *over the edge* within a range
of 'obsessive-compulsive' behaviours, & variating forms of psychosis. i
don't know if you ever watch that television show MILLENIUM, but quotes
from the Bible, & particularly the Book Of Revelations, are often part &
parcel of the mind of the psychopath, who has taken a personal
interpretation beyond the realm of what is generally perceived to be by
the so-called Moral Majority (which is neither), & applied in bizarre &
violent actions against others, believing he is being directed by God.
Brings to mind, on a much tamer level, my friend Mikell who long ago at
the onslaught of the Saturn returning (late 20's/early 30's), went from
a creative musician, stable construction worker in his dad's company,
into a temporary totally dysfunctional philosopher, stayed home
pondering every day, in which he would read & reread the Book Of
Revelations, over & over & over; carried his Bible everywhere. He let us
all know that The Beatles were the four angels, & bought A COMPLETE
BEATLES SONGBOOK, which he also carried everywhere, and sang from
constantly, because he was receiving *Divine Revelations* from the words
of the Beatles songs.
entirely harmless really, & even kinda cute! who knows? maybe he was
right!
:)
v
--
*stop making sense*
http://www.geocities.com/SoHo/7982/index.html
Date: Thu, 11 Dec 1997 14:49:39 +1030
From: Susanne Macrae <smacraeATnospamcamtech.net.au>
To: Kurt Keutzer <keutzerATnospamsynopsys.com>
CC: kundalini-lATnospamexecpc.com
Subject: Re: 3 Piercings (was Re: Enlightenment)
Message-ID: <348F69DB.64E1ATnospamcamtech.net.au>
Kurt has given his definition of Prana and Kundalini and is seeking
others.
My concepts are:
Prana:
I agree prana is "vital energy". Also that prana can be drawn into the
body through mental activity or "breathing through". I think it is
possible that the strongest effects of pranic movement occur when it
enters the sushumna. My greatest experience with pranic movement has
been with my hands and arms assuming positions and postures. This
happened through my heart chakra, I was not aware of the energy moving
through the sushumna. Whilst I feel prana has a valid contribution in
our purification process, I see it more as an advance party, clearing
the way for Kundalini to do her work more easily. A bit like the road
grader flattening and levelling the bumps before the surface of the road
is laid.
Kundalini:
Again I agree that kundalini can and does often manifest in various ways
before ascending through the sushumna. When she begins to rise she
starts inbibing the brain with new awareness, opening up parts of the
brain that had previously been dormant. Developing new states of
consciousness. With each upward movement she transports the level of
understanding of the Self. My experience of Kundalini moving through
the crown was of discovering God intimately. Until this time my
understanding of God was a bit airy fairy, not very clear or well
defined. K's ascent brought God into me and God became magnificently
clear.
So, in a nutshell, I agree with much of what Kurt says although I put
far less emphasis on prana that perhaps he does in its relationship
to the process of awakening. I acknowledge however that pranic movement
in others can be profound.
Love, sue
Date: Thu, 11 Dec 1997 14:49:56 +1030
From: Susanne Macrae <smacraeATnospamcamtech.net.au>
To: Kurt Keutzer <keutzerATnospamsynopsys.com>
CC: kundalini-lATnospamexecpc.com
Subject: Re: 3 Piercings (was Re: Enlightenment)
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Kurt Keutzer wrote:
>
> Perhaps ``the force of the eruption'' is neither strictly the
> force of the kundalini or the resistance of the individual - but both?
If we consider symmetry and balance, this would be true. The force of
kundalini equals the resistance of the individual.
love, sue
Date: Thu, 11 Dec 1997 16:00:49 +1030
From: Susanne Macrae <smacraeATnospamcamtech.net.au>
To: lodpressATnospamintercomm.com
CC: kundalini-lATnospamexecpc.com
Subject: Re: 3 Piercings (was Re: Enlightenment)
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Gloria Greco wrote:
>
> Since
> no one has had the experience in the same way that I have
All our experiences are unique and inividual, sometimes we tend to
forget that.
Within days the kundalini explosion happened, this
> time it was a touch on the third eye by a being I knew to be the Ancient
> of Days...that is the one that put me in the hospital.
As I said, K knows when and how we need her to work with us. I think we
have to try not to judge any of the experience because we all have a
huge veil of illusion about ourselves that K has a wonderful way of
piercing.
(Ouch, that word again).
>, you don't control it,
> whatever is meant to be is how it is going to come through and down.
Absolutely. Some people do stop her in her tracks for a time though!
The
> energies that were released in me were from spiritual forces cosmically,
> again this wasn't kundalini in the traditional sense. This wasn't
> something that was from my body that did this
I think the model for Kundalini in a traditional sense just serves us as
a guide. I dont think too many would say kundalini is "from the body".
When she moves in me, she isn't coming from within me. She is
manifesting within me to create the physical and other changes I
perceive. Maybe in the earlier days I was conceited enough to think she
was from within me or of me.
, it connected up directly
> to God's Will for me in alignment with my spiritual assignment and
> purpose. This wasn't something that was progressing say from the base of
> my spine up through the crown etc.
K doesn't always adhere to an observable progression up the spine.
The important aspect for all of us is our relationship with what we
perceive and acknowledge is happening to us.
Love sue
Date: Thu, 11 Dec 1997 00:48:42 -0500
From: acarre <acarreATnospamconcentric.net>
To: NancyATnospamwtp.net
CC: kundalini-1 <kundalini-lATnospamexecpc.com>,
The Lesser Half <sassiATnospamworldnet.att.net>
Subject: Re: Twin Flames
Message-ID: <348F7EBA.3EF0C182ATnospamconcentric.net>
Nancy wrote:
> Hi k-list,
>
> Perhaps a little off topic, but I need to pick
> your brains. Does anyone
> know the origins of the concept of Twin Flames?
> Does the concept come
> from a particular religion? Is it a new age
> thing? There's not much
> information I'm finding on the topic.
>
> Please respond to me privately.
>
I would be interested in those answers also.
And Nancy, i don't feel it's off topic from the
list.
Thank you in advance
Love
Antoine
Date: Wed, 10 Dec 1997 22:09:11 -0800
From: ori^ <oriATnospameskimo.com>
To: kundalini-lATnospamexecpc.com
Subject: Tantric Numerology/Ten Body System
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Thanks to Sean for discovering the site on the web.
which provides information about your numerology based
on birth date using the 10 body system I wrote about recently.
http://www.sikhnet.com/Numerology
Sean wrote:
>p.s. I have a question... From previous posts I got the impression that
>each life path has a corresponding chakra. If this is the case, then where
>do life paths 8, 9, 10 (and 11) correspond?
In the Ten Body System, the 1st 7 bodies correspond to the 7 chakras.
When I asked the teacher about this, she said that bodies 7-10 are the
energy bodies-- generally lumped together as the aura. However this
system uses a finer delineation of the energy bodies.
I'm still learning about this system, and am familiar enough with it to
respond with much depth to your question. To give a little more of an
idea about the 7th-10th bodies, plus the 11th, have quoted the following
from "Tantric Numerology" by Dr. Guruchander Singh Khalsa, D.C.
The 7th body is aura as container for the life force-- the electromagnetic
field around your body. "Your aura is created by the flow of energy that
goes through the meridian system of your body. Where does that energy
come from to begin with? It's prana, the lifeforce. How much lifeforce
you allow to flow through this closed, circular meridian system determines
the size of your aura... The purpose of yoga and meditation is to create
enough psychic heat to burn through those obstacles, to remove any limited
concepts you have about yourself or about life so that you can have a
greater flow of prana through your system."
The 8th body is the pranic body... the life force found in breath
"Use your eighth body to continuously bring lifeforce and energy
into your system. Your seventh and eighth bodies work together to
defeat fear. Your aura provides a protective container so that prana
can build up; this increasing level of prana further strengthens your
aura and lets you feel even more protected and whole; this feeling
relaxes you and you breathe even more deeply, which pumps even more
prana into your aura..." The basis for all disease is in the pranic
body. Disease occurs when prana is blocked from flowing freely through
the system. The key to all healing is to bring to consciousness whatever
is causing the blockage so that the energy flow can be reestablished."
"The 9th body is the subtle body. When your subtle body is strong you
can see past the literal and obvious and mundane to the universal play
that lies beyond... see the whole design underneath."
The 10th body is the radiant body. "Cosmic energy flows into your tenth
gate and down your spine, up your spine, in an ever-renewing rhythm. The
energy shines and pulses, expanding the radiant sphere to its maximum.
The ultimate spiritual expression of the tenth body is royal courage--
fearlessness with finesse. Someone with a strong radiant body gives
all, or nothing. When a person has strongly developed his tenth body
you'll either love him or hate him. You'll love him for all the light
flowing through him, or you'll hate him because all that light exposes
your shadows."
"The 11th position in tantric numerology isn't a body. Rather, it's the
completion point, the command center, the vantage point from where you
direct the play of the ten bodies. From that command center you have
mastery of the entire physical realm and access to the entire spiritual
realm... Instead of reacting, you act consciously.... I am complete and
self-realized and I direct my ten bodies from an impersonal space that
allows infinity to flow through me."
This is obviously only the tip of the iceberg, but maybe it gives a
little more of an idea about the energy bodies as perceived from this
system.
In service to the process of awakening,
ori^
oriATnospameskimo.com ICQ: 2918880
http://www.eskimo.com/~ori/ori.html
Date: Thu, 11 Dec 1997 00:15:29 PST
From: "danelle t" <danelletATnospamhotmail.com>
To: kundalini-lATnospamexecpc.com
Subject: my introduction to the list ;-)
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Hello everyone! My name is Danelle and I am 23 years old. I first
became of the Kundalini process this year through the metaphysical
bookstore I work in. I feel very fortunate to have found some people
near me that could help me understand what it is that i am going through
with it's awakening. I have been told that I am on an accelerated path
and therefore my opening of the chakras and rising of the kundalini was
started for me. I am currently working through the blocks I have in the
hopes for becoming aligned and enlightened. What has changed the most
in my life is my understanding of accepting the emotions i feel without
questioning why i am feeling them. In a sens ethe ability to just be.
For me my meditation and breathing exercises have been the most
beneficial in this process so far. I do try and help others through the
bookstore. We offer classes on chakra balancing, and have started a
yoga class as well. I enjoy being in the store to help answer the
questions of those following the path as well. I guess what I hope to
really get out of this list is the knowledge that others have, and the
reassurance that i am not alone. ;-) I am glad I found this list and
look forward to reading all your posts and getting to know you all in a
sense. ;-) Sincerely
danelle-
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Date: Thu, 11 Dec 1997 17:15:19 +0800
From: GSDonne <gsdonneATnospamiinet.net.au>
To: kundalini-lATnospamlists.execpc.com
Subject: Re: The 7 headed beast
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At 10:30 AM 12/10/97 -1000, you wrote:
>Hi re this post:
>>>><<m more oriented on thinking of K as the other side of the coin the
>Bible says something like the Beast will arrive from the sea like a
>dragon with 7 heads or so,>>
>I meant to put this to my questions about the 7 cobras...
>
Re 'The Beast" of Revelations and the Chakras.
There is an Edgar Cayce book on 'Revelations' which interprets it as the
opening of the Seven chakras.
>From memory, it was a very comprehensive and intelligent interpretation.
Should still be in print. My copy was lost years ago.
gsdonne
Date: Thu, 11 Dec 1997 08:00:23 -0800
From: John Halonen <halonenATnospamflash.net>
To: kundalini-lATnospamexecpc.com
Subject: hostility and all that stuff.
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I have a story to tell.
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.Date: Thu, 11 Dec 1997 10:17:27 -0500
From: "Harsh K. Luthar" <hlutharATnospamresearch1.bryant.edu>
To: lodpressATnospamintercomm.com
CC: Kurt Keutzer <keutzerATnospamsynopsys.com>, smacraeATnospamcamtech.net.au,
kundalini-lATnospamexecpc.com, heartzenATnospamlistserv.servtech.com,
gkiefferATnospamnetaxis.com
Subject: Re: 3 Piercings (was Re: Enlightenment)
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> > Sue mentions:
> > `` I have
> > observed and worked with people experiencing both and consider that the
> > force of the eruption has more to do with the amount of work kundalini
> > needs to do in that particular person, than with any other single
> > factor. ''
> >
It has to do with several factors. One is the youth of the person. The
younger the person is and particularly if the person is practicing
celibacy the Kundalini will come with a huge force. If the sexual
conduct has not been regulated it will come with much less force. The
"Drilling" analogy seems appropriate to me, but may not be so for
everyone. After the three granthis have been broken the flow of Shakti
will be nice and smooth like the flow of oil. However, people do
experience different aspects of the Kundalini in different sequences, so
no general rules for interpreting the Kundalini manifestations can be
made. One basic thing, however, that I have found to be true, is that,
regulation of sexual conduct has a great impact on the Kundalini rising
and the substance of different manifestations.
The nerve currents passing through the spine indicate that the Shakti is
being stimulated. Kundalini is the mother of Prana. Where it goes, the
prana will follow. When the Kundalini enters Sushmana, prana is
withdrawn from all over the body and the body becomes motionless. It is
in that state, as Kundalini moves higher, that various visions and
superconscious states manifest.
Kundalini Yoga is one path to enlightenment but it also creates much
confusion among people. The ultimate goal of all Yogas and Tantras is to
recognize that "Peace that Passeth all Understanding" is within us and
it is our Real Nature or Original Nature. One goes through all the
hoopla only to come face with One's Own Self!
Harsh
Date: Thu, 11 Dec 1997 07:11:55 PST
From: "Joseph Miller" <joemillerATnospamhotmail.com>
To: kundalini-lATnospamlists.execpc.com
Cc: SchrLLATnospamaol.com
Subject: Re: Emotional Plague
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Replying to:
>From: SchrLL <SchrLLATnospamaol.com>
>Subject: Re: Emotional Plague
>> Just happened to pick up a book "Your Erroneous Zones" (oldie but
>>goodie) by Dr. Wayne Dyer, with an excellent last chapter called
>>"Portrait of a Person Who Has Eliminated All Erroneous Zones."
>I cannot imagine anyone who would want to elimainate any feelings
>zones. Is this part of the conspiracy to outlaw all senses and
>feelings in human civilization? Are we all to become senseless,
>feelingless and utimately valueless? Talk about 'The Emotonal
>Plague'. How are we to be capable of values without feelings?
>L0VE and Light, Linda
Linda,
I've not noticed any trend in eliminating emotions in any sector of our
lives. I have noticed an almost complete lack of thought in most
quarters at one time or another, in some quarters an almost constant
lack of thought. People in our culture rely almost entirely on their
feelings. People who are overweight are not fat because they applied
logic, they are overweight because eating "feels good," satisfies some
emotional need, etc. People who abuse spouses or children (verbally, the
most common form, physically, or sexually) are not doing so because they
are robots. They are doing it out of feelings, twisted though they may
be, that they are expressing.
As to values without feelings... it is totally possible and entirely
valid (theoretically of course since no person has ever been without
feelings). But you certainly can't be suggesting that the "value" or
worth of someone's values is a function of his/her feelings. If feelings
are the criteria for valid values then the Nazis are completely
validated. Few have brought stronger or more deeply felt feelings to
their values (again, twisted though they may be) than Hitler and his
crew of demons. Good values come from observing the results of actions
and deciding, logically, what is of benefit and what is not.
Feelings are a thing, a part of us and our lives like a hand or foot.
But just as we each have love, compassion, and many other (usually)
constructive (both personally and societally) emotions; we each have
within us hatred, envy, anger, and very many other emotions that are
usually destructive to both the individual and to society.
The way we decide what to do, what is good and what is bad, is logic.
While most people may label the condition of loving someone deeply a
good thing, we all know of cases where a person destroyed or at least
harmed much of their lives and themselves by loving the wrong person too
deeply and/or too long. We also have the story of Jesus totally loosing
it and kicking the money-changers butts out of the temple as a great
example of someone who devoted himself totally to practicing and
teaching love and forgiveness knowing when love and forgiveness was not
the right response. (To the list: Don't send me any "You Christians...."
messages, I am not a Christian! I am not a Buddhist either but I've
learned from the Buddha's wisdom too.)
Have no fear logic is almost gone from modern society. Feelings rule!
May God have mercy on us.
Peace and logic,
Joe
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Date: Thu, 11 Dec 1997 07:14:58 PST
From: "Susan Carlson" <divine_goddessATnospamhotmail.com>
To: NancyATnospamwtp.net, acarreATnospamconcentric.net
Cc: kundalini-lATnospamexecpc.com, sassiATnospamworldnet.att.net
Subject: Re: Twin Flames
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>I would be interested in those answers also.
>
>And Nancy, i don't feel it's off topic from the
>list.
>
>Thank you in advance
>
>Love
>
>Antoine
Me too.
>From my own wanderings:
Predestined Love by Dick Sutphen Sun Valley Publishing
(This book really reflects at times on the painful aspects of the twin
flame relationships. Sutphen calles them twin souls. Another reason I
like this book because one of my mentors is mentioned as an example, so
I have first hand account verification.)
In paperback.
***************
http://www.tsl.org/alchemicalmar.html
For a different perspective, from the ascended master view, try this
place by Elizabeth Clare Prophet.
She makes distinctions between soul mates, twin flames, karmic marriage,
alchemical marriage, and has a question and answer section. Just keep
following the next page buttons down at the bottom to get all the
articles. Very fascinating.
Blessings,
Susan
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Date: Thu, 11 Dec 1997 09:27:55 -0600
From: amckeonATnospamhsmail.nfld.k12.mn.us
To: kundalini-lATnospamexecpc.com
Subject: RE: Some stupid questions about terminology and progress.
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Mike wrote:
>It's as if we were all driving from the east coast to the
>west coast, and sharing via radio the landmarks we've
>passed on the journey. Pretty much everybody would
>recognize crossing the Mississippi, but if somebody
>taking I-70 mentioned Pike's Peak, many others would
>wonder why they weren't seeing it too. Heck, some who
>also took I-70 might not see it because they didn't look
>that far south. And someone who reached the end of
>their journey at Big Sur and said "This is what the coast
>looks like" wouldn't be agreed with by someone who
>wound up in Seattle, except that they both see lots of
>water.
What a wonderful analogy (metaphor?), I love it!
>Anyway, what I was getting to with that last bit was
>that as long as I can be sure I'm heading in the right
>direction, I don't worry about how far I've gotten - no
>matter how far it is, there's always someplace beyond
>that to head for - so I just concentrate on enjoying the
>trip.
This is the way I see it too. If I worry too much about being so far behind
most of you, I may become discouraged. I expect I'll catch up to y'all
eventually!
>Like they say in the Nissan commercials:
>
>Life is a journey. Enjoy the ride!
I agree! Speaking of Nissan commercials, don't you just love the one where
the dog takes his sleeping master for a ride down the street in an easy
chair? I have had dreams like that, also ones where I and some friends, or
a couple of sisters, are riding through the sky on a big couch.
Happy Thursday!,
amckeon
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