1997/12/10 14:06
kundalini-l-d Digest V97 #811
kundalini-l-d Digest Volume 97 : Issue 811
Today's Topics:
Re: Don Benson, etcetera [ Athena <starwindATnospamgte.net> ]
Re: From My Heart [ "F. Drew " <leydaATnospamvalunet.com> ]
Re: implanted chips [ Athena <starwindATnospamgte.net> ]
Re: *Lord Matraiya* [ "Debora A. Orf" <dorf01ATnospammail.win.or ]
awakenings due to abuse [ "Debora A. Orf" <dorf01ATnospammail.win.or ]
Other answers ? More truths ? [ Athena <starwindATnospamgte.net> ]
Re: Emotional Plague [ sassiATnospamworldnet.att.net (The Lesser ]
The Seven Cobras [ Ruth Trimble <trimbleATnospamhawaii.edu> ]
The 7 headed beast [ Ruth Trimble <trimbleATnospamhawaii.edu> ]
Re: 3 Piercings (was Re: Enlightenme [ jaxx <jaxxATnospamihug.co.nz> ]
What God? [ Ruth Trimble <trimbleATnospamhawaii.edu> ]
Re: 3 Piercings (was Re: Enlightenme [ Gloria Greco <lodpressATnospamintercomm.co ]
Re: 3 Piercings (was Re: Enlightenme [ Gloria Greco <lodpressATnospamintercomm.co ]
Date: Wed, 10 Dec 1997 12:55:39 -0600
From: Athena <starwindATnospamgte.net>
To: deliriumATnospamfull-moon.com
CC: kundalini-lATnospamlists.execpc.com
Subject: Re: Don Benson, etcetera
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hehehe... Don reminds me of the Gadfly of Athens..was it Socrates ?..
the Dude that had to drink hemlock for agitating < rabble rousing...
making people think for themselves >
gadfly (gàd´flì´) noun
1. A persistent, irritating critic; a nuisance.
2. One that acts as a provocative stimulus; a goad.
Blessed are rabble rousers... for without them we might become
complacent..
*Lord Matraiya* -- the buddha
> >
> > prophesied to rule over the paradise of the future. What I have been
> > thinking
> > all these years is that Hopis, Buddhists, Jews, Christians, and others
> > are all
> > awaiting the same One in different translations of the Name and
> > different
> > cultural traditions. What do you think?
>
> I'm suspicious of you, Don... figure somewhere here you have a hidden
> agenda...this recent post means you're up to yet another "trap" of some
> sort...and my suspicious nature here kind of upsets me, especially when
> I'm just on the verge of experiencing unconditional love...
Mirrors , my dear...just when you think you've learned the lesson... the
Universe/God/Goddess < read : YOUR conciousness > ... sets up a *test*
.. kinda sorta a *pop-quizz*... " ..have ya learned this one, can we go
on to the next step ? "
>
> I allowed people "like you" (from what I've read of you) to "victimize"
> me in my youth and I am bearing the scars of this now. So forgive me if
> I sound bitter or pissy...just there's a lot of anger here inside me
> that needs to be expressed and your posts have begged for me to express
> it in your general direction...
There NO VICTIMS... JUST VOLUNTEERS
I *want* to love you and those like you,
> but you scare me so bad with your apparent intolerance that I run away
> and wish *you* would disappear.
FEAR... is at the root of all *evil*... < read : seperation from your
highest self >
>
> On the other hand, if suddenly you have sort of come to a conclusion
> that all of us *are* actually on the same voyage but on different
> paths...well...that *still* doesn't explain why you proselytize to the
> list...
If he *knew* better, luv... he would *do* better
>
>...I'm trying very hard (probably too hard) to love you and others
> "like" you unconditionally...my heart has it but my head keeps saying
> "but this is your enemy, silly..."
Sometimes unconditional love is best practiced at a ...distance *grin*
>
> I realize this post opens me up for more "stuff" but that's okay....I
> don't agree with you and "your lot" scares the crap out of me...
FEAR... raises its ugly head again <s> ...On the continuum of LOVE... to
its diametric opposite...it is ....
LOVE <------------------------->FEAR
...with all the ancillary emotions in between... Love is the emotion of
Spirit < the deepest and highest YOU > of inclusion and unity... FEAR is
of the ego... that which seperates us < apparantly > from our highest
beingness...
> I think of "your lot" as some of the perpetrators of the nastiest crimes
> against other humans...and all in the name of God?
" Father forgive them, for they know not what they do "
>
> I don't get how "your God" could intend for *anyone* to burn in a
> fundamentalist type hell for eternity. Nobody's that evil...if this hell
> exists then God is a devil himself...and I am tired to death of hearing
> how I am condemned to hell for not believing as you do.
Sweetie, there is only * ONE GOD * and different people's *perception*
of that God...
Different people throughout recorded time have had similar
perceptions... all coming from their own *fears* ... hey ! Man is a
social animal... and they have gotten together to form *clubs* ... read:
Churches...Crusades... Inquesitions ... Burning of *witches*...
torturing of *heretics* ... all are part and parcel of this seperation
from Spirit...
>
> why anyone
> would want to scare children into thinking that there was a hell...then
> realized it was probably either out of fear, misplaced concern, or just
> a good ol' control trip...
*BINGO*
>
>, I'm tired of being afraid of the Don Bensons of this world.... of things that are cruel and brainlessly mean...and I don't want to fear them......it may also make you understand why some of us on this list are "running for the exits"...the
> "Christian Soldiers" scare me...not because of their "compassion", but
> instead because I feel seriously threatened...unsafe...with you around.
Kathy, luv... look into your own conciousness *gentle smile*... there
ain't nobody *out there* that does things *TO* us...we only see in
others that which is in ourselves...
Namaste my friend
Athena
>
> (end of Rant)
>
> With love (as much as I can muster)...Delirium
--
Love and Light unto your Path...THERE IS ONLY ONE OF US...Athena
Date: Wed, 10 Dec 1997 13:51:01 -0800
From: "F. Drew " <leydaATnospamvalunet.com>
To: "DonBBenson" <DonBBensonATnospamaol.com>, <NancyATnospamwtp.net>
Cc: <kundalini-lATnospamlists.execpc.com>
Subject: Re: From My Heart
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From: DonBBenson <DonBBensonATnospamaol.com>
>
>End of first installment. Have I rambled on too long already? Don
>
**********
*
No. You are doing fine.
*
Drew
" So Far; So Good "
leydaATnospamvalunet.com
Date: Wed, 10 Dec 1997 13:06:02 -0600
From: Athena <starwindATnospamgte.net>
To: Mike Stickles <msticklesATnospamantalys.com>
CC: kundalini-lATnospamlists.execpc.com
Subject: Re: implanted chips
Message-ID: <348EE81A.482ATnospamgte.net>
hehehhe Mike you are *right* < read: you agree with me >
An Occurance/event/happening/incidence ... is totally neuteral... how WE
react/respond/perceive it ... then *name* it good/bad .. is what it
becomes in our *reality*
DC freeway : *bad* < grin > ... been there done that...
Mike Stickles wrote:
>
> >I wonder for those religious observers if the chip
> >would be some kind of beast of evil....or would it
> >be considered good?
>
> The chip itself would be neither - it definitely could be
> used for good and noble purposes; however, it doesn't
> require much imagination to see it being used as a
> tool for controlling the populace, or even as the
> "mark of the beast"
--
Love and Light unto your Path...THERE IS ONLY ONE OF US...Athena
Date: Wed, 10 Dec 1997 13:59:30 -0600 (CST)
From: "Debora A. Orf" <dorf01ATnospammail.win.org>
To: DonBBenson <DonBBensonATnospamaol.com>
cc: kundalini-lATnospamlists.execpc.com
Subject: Re: *Lord Matraiya*
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On Wed, 10 Dec 1997, DonBBenson wrote:
well, from what i understand, maitreya buddha will be around when the
dharma declines and people are about 2 ft tall living on bridges. In other
words, when the teachings of Shakyamuni Buddha decline and are no longer
known.
Who is Maitreya tho? There is a zen story of a man hanging from a tree by
his teeth, his student is on the shore, asking him 'Why did bodhidharma
come to china?'. the man has to answer, altho he's bound hand & feet.
the commentary says if you cant answer, you might as well wait for
Maitreya to come along & do it for you. Yeah right!
We all share buddha nature, god nature, higher self stuff. Sometimes the
young woman of 30 is older than the sage of 90. Sometimes the child of 5
is older than the woman of 30.
sometimes the way out is to stay put.
'maitreya' can be a metaphor for awakening. in my opinion.
what are you waiting for?
tell me something about the second coming. inside or outside? dont quote
scriptures either....too preachy.
this 'second coming' sounds like the second birth. the awakening of one's
christ nature. then can i ask, 'where is christ's second coming'?
you're excited about it. cool. but it may take a form different from your
expectations. That's not a problem is it?
metta,
--dao
Date: Wed, 10 Dec 1997 14:09:11 -0600 (CST)
From: "Debora A. Orf" <dorf01ATnospammail.win.org>
To: kundalini-lATnospamlists.execpc.com
Subject: awakenings due to abuse
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Can anyone relate child abuse incidents to a K experience?
i keep thinking back, i was sexually abused, and in my efforts to survive,
think i tripped the K circuits on in the wetware. the abuse was a few
incidents, but they seared my soul and my heart.
the cool thing is it gave me a BIG heart center. you ever notice the
wounded place that connects? its like--WOW! we are all made of tears.
instead of becoming really dysfunctional, i would go into the light. when
things got tough, i would get high on this light. Bliss as a drug almost.
(K does prozac or something).
as i got older, it became the urge to survive, to grow, to heal. now its
to become an adult, to help others survive, grow & heal.
it ahs made me very sensitive to stories of rape or torture. sometimes
its so strong its like i'm there. yikes! instant images in my mind and
tugs at the heart center. mental hug and lots of tonglen!
anyone else?
--janpa
Date: Wed, 10 Dec 1997 14:17:29 -0600
From: Athena <starwindATnospamgte.net>
To: kundalini-lATnospamlists.execpc.com
Subject: Other answers ? More truths ?
Message-ID: <348EF8D9.1EF7ATnospamgte.net>
Submitted for your perusal...
"What is occurring in your emotional experiences, is happening for your
own benefit. It is allowing you to release what has been blocking you
for many, many life times. You have been dancing around this wheel for
seven and one half million years. It is time to let it go!"
from : http://www.wolflodge.org/prophecy/star.htm
Another point of view ????
Is there only ONE *absolute* TRUTH ??? Or is there ONE TRUTH with many
faces ??
Sent in Love... hoping to help...
Namaste
--
Love and Light unto your Path...THERE IS ONLY ONE OF US...Athena
Date: Wed, 10 Dec 1997 20:09:26 GMT
From: sassiATnospamworldnet.att.net (The Lesser Half)
To: veroungerATnospamearthlink.net
Cc: Kundalini-lATnospamexecpc.com
Subject: Re: Emotional Plague
Message-ID: <3493f6f1.10440467ATnospammailhost.worldnet.att.net>
However if there is a way to live detached from a person and still
commit to her, I want to hear about it. Has anyone experienced this?
Thank you in advance,
Vee
I've been married to the same woman for 28 years and we have been
together for 34 yrs. My 'awakening' for lack of a better description
began 7 weeks ago. I have loved this woman more than life itself and
the three daughters we created together. For several days now I have
felt completely detached from them. I just feel the same about
everyone, I look into peoples eyes and just love them so much.
But, I'm hanging in there. I have gone through so many changes in the
last seven weeks that most of my loved ones and aquantainces are a bit
leery of me right now. Have patience, all will be well, I just know
it. I have even found my ' twin flame ' by accident and though I was
almost irresitibly drawn to her, this also has past. The ' knowing '
was more painfull than anything I have ever experienced and for awhile
I thought I would go completely insane.
Peace is with me now and in that Peace I know I will never hurt my
beautiful wife. In my 'knowing' I am learning to Love, that which I
thought was love before being nothing more than sensual affection.
I have asked my wife to teach me how to love her, then backed away.
This is extremely confusing to her, so much so that I stopped sharing
out of fear of confusing her even more. But, she is patient and loving
and with that I know soon we will be one soul.
The hurt is painfull, I know. Perhaps it is the end of your intimate
relationship, parhaps not. There is a lesson and purpose in this. He
may return with a love so strong for you that you both will always
know bliss. Or, there may be another for you, maybe several, each with
a different lesson.
Hang in there, kiddo. There is something to be born within you, and
soon.
Jack
Date: Wed, 10 Dec 1997 10:20:35 -1000
From: Ruth Trimble <trimbleATnospamhawaii.edu>
To: kundalini-lATnospamlists.execpc.com
Subject: The Seven Cobras
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Here is something I have been trying to research for the longest time. My
guru's teacher Bhagwan Nityananda of Ganeshpuri is pictured in the
entrance to his Ashram with 7 cobras over his head. I understood this was
one of the attributes of fearless yogi's. REcently in a session with my
therapist, I was told she had only got 4 of these cobras and she and I
were to work on attaining the full 7 for her so she would be able to do
her light work more easily. She would thus become totally impervious to
attacks in doing her work.
I am sure there are some books somwhere that discuss these cobras which
come with the Kundalini awakening and full development. Who can tell me
more?
Hungry for knowledge... Ruth
*****
Date: Wed, 10 Dec 1997 10:30:07 -1000
From: Ruth Trimble <trimbleATnospamhawaii.edu>
To: kundalini-lATnospamlists.execpc.com
Subject: The 7 headed beast
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Hi re this post:
>>><<m more oriented on thinking of K as the other side of the coin the
Bible says something like the Beast will arrive from the sea like a
dragon with 7 heads or so,>>
I meant to put this to my questions about the 7 cobras...
I am sure that the BEAST referred to in the Bible (who wrote this book by
the way? Whose agenda was being perpetuated I ask? What actual GOD is
spoken of in it and what planet did he appear from...can't be the same God
I am part of...y'know...the K. God!) is more likely to be like the BEAST
that Lord Rama had to deal with - Ravana? He had 10 heads I think. But
are not these merely symbolic of the SINS.. or impurities of mankind?...
ie. Green, lust, envy, anger etc...?
Is not the BEAST.. the lower Reptilian nature of man.. ? YES?
Was anyone listening to ART BELL last night.. amazing how this speaker
(did not catch the name) was talking of how much one can do with ones
brain when one deactivates the Reptilian brain.. i.e. the 4 f's...flight,
fright, fight and f...k ! We open up to a much more cooperative,
harmonious, and philanthropic aspect of our nature... which allows us to
use more of our brains... i.e. the other 95%!
Highly recommend Art Bell - he has Robt. Ghostwolf on the coming year on
on Thurs. evening/Fr. a.m. for some ... check out your local talk radio
station... in the wee hours for you.. 8 - midnight in Hawaii.
Ruth
******
Your whole life is a cyclone of change, of changing scenes, changing
colors; but just in the middle of the cyclone there is a silent center.
That is YOU. (Osho)
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Ruth Trimble email:<trimbleATnospamhawaii.edu>
http://166.122.32.61/trimble/
*****
Date: Thu, 11 Dec 1997 09:38:40 +1300
From: jaxx <jaxxATnospamihug.co.nz>
To: kundalini-lATnospamexecpc.com
Subject: Re: 3 Piercings (was Re: Enlightenment)
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> Sue said
>
>There certainly is a big difference but not in the end result. I have
>observed and worked with people experiencing both and consider that the
>force of the eruption has more to do with the amount of work kundalini
>needs to do in that particular person, than with any other single
>factor. The blockages that kundalini releases are the accumulations of
>our past dogmas, judgements, actions, thoughts, feelings etc. If the
>eruptions are violent, Kundalini in her wisdom has decided they need to
>be. Kundalini can also be subtle, permeating the physical and
>energetic, rather than blasting. That is one of the magnificent things
>about her, she knows exactly what each of us needs and responds
>accordingly!
Its nice to have confirmation of the different forces that Kundalini uses
with different people. Since reading this list I have had the belief that
to have Kundalini at work that it must be like a vengeful raging torrent
that wrecks havoc on your life. So I have doubted my own process... Now I
am getting confirmation that the gentleness that is changing my life <its
gentle yet strong and very right for me> is kundalini.
I was also unclear and thought to have kundalini that you had to have all
chakras clear and up and running like a finely tuned machine... Now I
realise its is the kundalini that is doing the tune up on me!
I need gentleness in my life and she is providing me that in abundance as
she does her thing.
...jacqueline
Date: Wed, 10 Dec 1997 10:43:47 -1000
From: Ruth Trimble <trimbleATnospamhawaii.edu>
To: kundalini-lATnospamlists.execpc.com
Subject: What God?
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Dear Kathy and others who have been receiving hate mail from a so-called
Christian....Mr. Don with the Ph.D.
You wrote: to Don:
>>Don't get me wrong here, either...I'm sure that at home you're a
perfectly nice person, it's just that your posts on this list "trip me
out" and make me experience the anger from a bunch of things in the
past...I'm trying very hard (probably too hard) to love you and others
"like" you unconditionally...my heart has it but my head keeps saying
"but this is your enemy, silly..."
This reminds me of the Right Use of Will books and the Denial Spirits. No
matter what you say or do they will deny everything.. I think Don could be
in this category.. he seems programmed to attack anything you put
forward.. and he is not the first I have seen on a list, but the first on
this list I think.
There is a function for everything in the universe..his function
is to bring up latent anxiety...fear and abuse... It reminds me of the
Reptoid energy... fear, fright, etc. . Let it come and bless it
goodbye - you are entitled to feel your feelings to adhere to your heart's
knowledge and to tell anyone who is wrong "YOU ARE WRONG." I do and it
has been liberating for me... it cancels out their b** s*** and clears out
your aura... nothing like it.. sort of like defecating... Feels so good
afterwards. So if it quacks like a duck..walks like a duck.. it IS a
duck.. and anyone who tells you it is a swan is trying to control the
truth... beware.. ##
>>>
I realize this post opens me up for more "stuff" but that's okay....I
don't agree with you and "your lot" scares the crap out of me...because
I think of "your lot" as some of the perpetrators of the nastiest crimes
against other humans...and all in the name of God?
>>
This is an example of calling a duck a DUCK!
>>>I don't get how "your God" could intend for *anyone* to burn in a
fundamentalist type hell for eternity. Nobody's that evil...if this hell
exists then God is a devil himself...and I am tired to death of hearing
how I am condemned to hell for not believing as you do.
>>
This God is not the GOD that is the divine essence in all beings.. it is
more likely a 4th dimensional extra terrestrial... read Zechariah Sitchin
for details 12th Planet... explains who it is.. and who had a nuclear war
here about 12,000 years ago... NO GOD.. just an ET... with a strong desire
to control this planet... and the major religions are very much affected
with this energy and this so called God...
That is why the heart is the only true source of the truth... our history
and culture are so steeped in this other "god"....
I am going to enjoy the discussion from this...
*****
Date: Wed, 10 Dec 1997 12:08:15 +0100
From: Gloria Greco <lodpressATnospamintercomm.com>
To: fredaATnospamblarg.net
CC: kundalini-lATnospamexecpc.com, heartzenATnospamlistserv.servtech.com
Subject: Re: 3 Piercings (was Re: Enlightenment)
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freda wrote:
>
> I would like to thank Gloria, Susanne, Harsh, amckeon and John okay, all
> of you, for your dialog. I was drawn to the list. Although I was told a
> number of years ago that what was happening to me might be a K awakening
> I did not know what it was, it sounded "way out there" and I dismissed
> it in favor of being "nuts". I have not had any training I know of
> noone to whom I could turn to to explain the "odd" experiences I have
> been having for the last nine years. (the odd behavior and wierd
> insights began just prior to my 33 birthday) The articles and books I
> found had been of little help, I have a difficult time understanding the
> texts. Reading your experiences and insights has helped me to feel more
> at ease with this process. I am less afraid and I don't feel so alone
> better yet I NO LONGER THINK I AM LOOSING MY MIND.
> Thank you doesn't seem enough.
> Freda ~ BE-IS-AM
> http://www.blarg.net/~freda/01rg/hm/frhm.htm
> ICQ # 4323543
HI Freda, it is a journey for sure, and really a blessing that you don't
even begin to recognize yet. Even if it is just rumbling a bit now, it
helps you to prepare. God Bless. Gloria
--
Enter The Silence to Know God ... and... accept life as the teacher.
Gloria Joy Greco
e-mail me at : lodpressATnospamintercomm.com and visit our homepages at:
http://users.intercomm.com/larryn/
&
http://www.freeyellow.com/members/zg888/
Hope you enjoy them!
Date: Wed, 10 Dec 1997 12:05:53 +0100
From: Gloria Greco <lodpressATnospamintercomm.com>
To: "Harsh K. Luthar" <hlutharATnospamresearch1.bryant.edu>
CC: Kurt Keutzer <keutzerATnospamsynopsys.com>, smacraeATnospamcamtech.net.au,
kundalini-lATnospamexecpc.com, hlutharATnospambryant.edu,
heartzenATnospamlistserv.servtech.com, gkiefferATnospamnetaxis.com
Subject: Re: 3 Piercings (was Re: Enlightenment)
Message-ID: <348E7791.7CFAATnospamintercomm.com>
Harsh K. Luthar wrote:
>
> Dear Gloria,
>
> Loved reading your response!
> Harsh
Hi,
I just entered into you conversation with Kurt, it is interesting to the
words that apply to the experience in eastern terms. Gloria
>
>
> >
> > >
> > Enter The Silence to Know God ... and... accept life as the teacher.
> > Gloria Joy Greco
> > e-mail me at : lodpressATnospamintercomm.com and visit our homepages at:
> > http://users.intercomm.com/larryn/
> > &
> > http://www.freeyellow.com/members/zg888/
> > Hope you enjoy them!
--
Enter The Silence to Know God ... and... accept life as the teacher.
Gloria Joy Greco
e-mail me at : lodpressATnospamintercomm.com and visit our homepages at:
http://users.intercomm.com/larryn/
&
http://www.freeyellow.com/members/zg888/
Hope you enjoy them!
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