1997/12/10 08:57
kundalini-l-d Digest V97 #809
kundalini-l-d Digest Volume 97 : Issue 809
Today's Topics:
Re: 3 Piercings (was Re: Enlightenme [ acarre <acarreATnospamconcentric.net> ]
Re: 3 Piercings (was Re: Enlightenme [ acarre <acarreATnospamconcentric.net> ]
Re:Heart Center Hurts [ Morgana Wyze <morganaATnospambest.com> ]
Re: 3 Piercings (was Re: Enlightenme [ Susanne Macrae <smacraeATnospamcamtech.net ]
RE: Chakras was Urddhvareta [ Dieter Dambiec <d.dambiecATnospamstudent.c ]
Re: Thirty Three [ TDVW36AATnospamprodigy.com ( THOMAS SMITH) ]
your private email and list courtesy [ "Susan Carlson" <divine_goddessATnospamhot ]
Re: Thirty Three [ jeannegATnospamicon.net (Jeanne Garner) ]
Re: 3 Piercings (was Re: Enlightenme [ "Harsh K. Luthar" <hlutharATnospamresearch ]
Re: Enlightenment [ amckeonATnospamhsmail.nfld.k12.mn.us ]
Re: 3 Piercings (was Re: Enlightenme [ John Halonen <mtmindATnospamusa.net> ]
next generation [ amckeonATnospamhsmail.nfld.k12.mn.us ]
Re: *Lord Matraiya* [ "Harsh K. Luthar" <hlutharATnospamresearch ]
Deep breathing [ John Halonen <mtmindATnospamusa.net> ]
Thieves and ourselves. [ John Halonen <mtmindATnospamusa.net> ]
Date: Wed, 10 Dec 1997 02:26:51 -0500
From: acarre <acarreATnospamconcentric.net>
To: "Mailing list (Kundalini)" <kundalini-lATnospamexecpc.com>
Subject: Re: 3 Piercings (was Re: Enlightenment)
Message-ID: <348E443B.2D02FD2AATnospamconcentric.net>
> What is to be done after that? Quoting Harsh again
> ``the central practice needed is
> that of cultivating an attitude of indifference towards psychic
> abilities and various states of consciousness and remaining aware. At
> this stage celibacy is very helpful. It allows one to retain the
> Kundalini at the Sahashara [sahasrara?] and stay in Samadhi for a
> longer
> period.''
>
> or according to Gloria:
> ``One must become
> so aware of that inner process that the natural movement is always to
> divine will.''
>
Kurt:
> In my limited experience, when the *kundalini* rises the mind is
> naturally
> drawn into samadhi. Kundalini has only been at my sahasrara for brief
> periods of time but during these times I experienced a total unity
> with the
> entire universe. In these brief periods thoughts were too pitiful and
>
> insignificant to influence the state in any way. Thus there was no
> issue
> of cultivating attitudes. When one's awareness has merged with the
> entire
> universe (or at least that is the subjective experience) then what is
> the
> meaning of cultivating awareness or becoming aware of the divine will?
> And
> since the universe is comprehended by one's own consciousness where
> would
> the Holy Spirit come from and where would it go?
At this point come of choice One as to make, as the Creator "chose" to
create our plane of existence. One can chose to become a "Bodhisattva"
i.e. A being that aspire to acquire the Bhoudda state, in Tibet, but
refuses of to be the perfect Nirvana until all beings did not reach it
(Which i hope will that infinity to achieve). Thus who can chose to
continue building up a "rainbow" from this plane to Nirvana, even thus
you feel it from the Nirvana as illusion. The Holly Spirit would come
and go in You. But it's a choice, the last one to be made, from the
limit of the plane. IMHO
> Harsh says:
> ``The debates and explanations are endless. There are countless
> Samadhis
> and Superconscious states but only a few reveal the nature of the
> Self.''
Yes i think they are contless Samadihis and Superconscious state, but
when you say only a few reveal the nature if the self, i would like to
add that it's because of the inability of the self we started with to
build a "rainbown bridge" in "frequency levels" we can be consciuos of
in a continual flow of consciousness. I must say this is founded one my
belief that The ONE did created a miror of himself, the ALL, for he
wants to see himself. Say I AM and not just BE woithout knowing it.
> But I think that if we can each speak openly about our experiences
> then
> perhaps we can all come to a more comprehensive view of this profound
> process.
Yes
Love
Antoine
Date: Wed, 10 Dec 1997 02:42:57 -0500
From: acarre <acarreATnospamconcentric.net>
To: hlutharATnospamkeynes.bryant.edu
CC: Kurt Keutzer <keutzerATnospamsynopsys.com>, smacraeATnospamcamtech.net.au,
kundalini-lATnospamexecpc.com, hlutharATnospambryant.edu, lodpressATnospamintercomm.com
Subject: Re: 3 Piercings (was Re: Enlightenment)
Message-ID: <348E4801.DB02372BATnospamconcentric.net>
Harsh Luthar wrote:
> 6. The regulation of sexual conduct is critical to experience full
> benefits of the Shakti and to retain Samadhis for long periods.
> Kundalini will stay at the crown center for a fleeting few seconds
> without such discipline (even if all three granthis have been broken
> by
> previous discipline).
I think you must refer to ejaculation for man, here, for this process
may take the energy necessary for building the "rainbow" in other to
retain samadhi in long periods. That is until the "bridge is build solid
enough in our consciousness, But i think, believe, and felt that energy
exchange between couples or groups, if the chakras are well open between
partners, like in some few tantra practices, can really boost this
process. Physical contact is not necessary for such exchange, or
experiencing the "sucking effect" on energies from the chakras.The
difference in male female polarities energies acting like a "pump" on
the energies on the other chakras. A bit like the channeling in the
healing process.
> 7. The practice of "cultivating" indifference to various states of the
>
> mind is not during Samadhi but during waking activities. For advanced
> students, maintaining continuous self-awareness is the central
> practice
> and all else is secondary. Meditation need not be practiced in the
> same
> way as Samadhi becomes natural.
Yes just being on what we feel from this plane as the "NOW". I One chose
one can fully live a emotion, as he never did before, but the rainbow
state being built to the Samadhi state, it will always stay behind, who
he or she is.
> 8. Various Superconscious experiences and Samadhi states cannot lead
> to
> peace of mind. Without knowing the nature of the Self, peace is not
> realized. Until peace of mind is gained one is not Home and remains
> endlessly curious. Peace is our real nature. All the Yogas and Tantras
>
> have only that as their end.
As the complexity of our small egoistic self, the evolution of the human
race grows, it's not only peace of mind that is to be reached, but peace
and harmony of the subtle energies, going way down to the peace of the
physical ego body. This last one being a very long process, for ego or
inertia of the "atoms", matter, is very stubborn.
Love
Antoine
Date: Wed, 10 Dec 1997 00:26:18 -0800
From: Morgana Wyze <morganaATnospambest.com>
To: kundalini-lATnospamexecpc.com
Subject: Re:Heart Center Hurts
Message-ID: <348E522A.1B89ATnospambest.com>
Hi (un)leash.
In my work as an alternative healer, I have found that the heart has an
intelligence of its' own (and scientists have found neurotransmitter
cells in the human heart).
The heart doesn't know boundaries (that's for the Will center, 3rd
chakra, to provide). The heart doesn't know what to do with grievances
(different from grief but can be mistaken as grief) and these cause
blocks. Once the heart loves, it loves forever. The love may and often
does change to a less personal love.
You loved your fiancee because your heart recognized the divine in her.
This has not changed. Your heart still loves her. This doesn't mean that
you're IN LOVE with her, plan to make a life with her, or can't love
another. This means that the heart doesn't recognize loss of love.
Accept your love for her and the eternal quality of that love. The pain
of losing love will fade, because to your heart it is an illusion. Once
the heart loves, we meet these same loves lifetime after lifetime.
Your heart can "risk" being completely open once the illusion of loss is
revealed.
Morgana
Date: Wed, 10 Dec 1997 19:55:53 +1030
From: Susanne Macrae <smacraeATnospamcamtech.net.au>
To: Kurt Keutzer <keutzerATnospamsynopsys.com>
CC: kundalini-lATnospamexecpc.com
Subject: Re: 3 Piercings (was Re: Enlightenment)
Message-ID: <348E6020.411FATnospamcamtech.net.au>
Kurt Keutzer wrote:
>
> I think it might help > to see if we're in agreement on what is implied by kundalini piercing a
> cakra.
Kurt:
"I believe a piercing is when there is a permanent elimination of the
knot at a cakra"
Harsh:
"The three granthis cannot be pierced by simple movements of pleasant
nerve currents through the spine. It requires the "freight train"
experiences of kundalini on a frequent basis (several times) to break
through the Granthis. These are felt as major physical experiences."
I agree with both the above comments. The freight train experiences
of piercing the granthis with me was more like an unrelenting drilling.
When the drilling broke through the third eye knot it felt like the
silence feels after an ongoing noise has been constantly in the
background. If you live near a train line or flight path, it was the
silence of not hearing any more trains or planes. The drilling of the
third eye and heart were maintained non stop for a long time.
Unrelenting. The piercing of the base chakra was accomplished over a
shorter time. After a spontaneous realignment of the bones in my
pelvis, the chakra was pierced very quickly and I felt some pain with
it.
I have been aware of Kundalini as she worked her way up through the
chakras. At my throat, I suddenly developed a great singing voice after
being a croaky singer all my life. At the third eye I was initiated into
certain gifts and abilities. She moved and prodded and poked at all the
chakras on her way up and I was very blissfully happy with her residing
in my crown when she started the piercing of the 3. The drilling began!
Gloria says:
"There is a huge difference between the nice elating pranic or kundalini
movement that flows up the spine to just kiss the chakra's...and what I
call a full out eruption"
There certainly is a big difference but not in the end result. I have
observed and worked with people experiencing both and consider that the
force of the eruption has more to do with the amount of work kundalini
needs to do in that particular person, than with any other single
factor. The blockages that kundalini releases are the accumulations of
our past dogmas, judgements, actions, thoughts, feelings etc. If the
eruptions are violent, Kundalini in her wisdom has decided they need to
be. Kundalini can also be subtle, permeating the physical and
energetic, rather than blasting. That is one of the magnificent things
about her, she knows exactly what each of us needs and responds
accordingly!
I do not believe prana and kundalini are the same thing. I can see
prana and I can observe the difference in the energy movement in my body
compared to this. When I see a lot of prana active it acts on me as a
energy boost. It makes me feel good, energised and that "great to be
alive" feeling. Kundalini on the other hand can generate extreme
fatigue which can't be totally alleviated by drawing in prana.
Throughout the whole process of the piercing of the chakras I existed in
many different states of consciousness and travelled in many planes of
awareness (and still do). God realisation, Self realisation,
unification with All That Exists are some of the places I have been in
and am now simultaneously in. I don't see myself as being Enlightened.
Kundalini hasn't yet finished with me. She is reconstructing me.
It feels like she has cleansed and unblocked me and is now rebuilding
me.
My uterus and ovaries are not what they were years ago. Ultrasounds show
different pictures. Certainly those that know me recognise that I have
changed physically, mentally, spiritually and emotionally. (Even the
colour of my eyes have changed). Who knows what will emerge when the
reconstruction stops.
Love sue
Date: Wed, 10 Dec 1997 21:22:29 +1100 (EDT)
From: Dieter Dambiec <d.dambiecATnospamstudent.canberra.edu.au>
To: kundalini-lATnospamlists.execpc.com
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Subject: RE: Chakras was Urddhvareta
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Why the 1,000 petalled lotus?
In a previous post reference was made to the various chakras and
associated propensities which were in all 50 in number.
Propensities are of two kinds :
introversal propensities and extroversal propensities.
In the case of introversal propensities, the mind moves towards
spiritual desires/realisation, or psycho-spiritual or even just developed
psychic/mental wants.
While the flow of the mind is in this way, the ultimate goal is towards
the
spiritual. The subtler the desire or food of the mind, the greater is the
elevation of the propensities, as they move towards subtler
realms.
In the case of extroversal propensities, the
movement of mind is towards crude needs, physical needs or base/basic
psychic/mental wants, psycho-physical needs - this is the type of 'food'
the mind seeks. And the mind or psycho-physical body (where pysche
associates with body only) moves through different channels
in this sort of way.
So propensities mean not only physical
or psychophysical propensities, but also psychic and
psycho-spiritual propensities - both external and internal propensities.
But in realm of spirituality, there are no propensities. In the
case of microcosmic mind (unit mind) there are both extroversal and
introversal
propensities. But in the case of the Supreme
Macrocosm, there are only introversal ones, no extroversal
propensities. This is only because everything is within the thought of the
Cosmic Consciousness.
In the case of both microcosm, there are many propensities, but they come
mainly under
fifty groups (ie propensities associated with the chakras and physically
with various glands),
and all of these fifty groups have both
introversal and extroversal movements. So fifty is
multiplied by two : (fifty introversal and fifty
extroversal propensities) = one hundred.
And since these one
hundred propensities move towards the ten directions*, so
one hundred is multiplied by ten: 100 X 10 = 1000.
* The six directions of north, south,
east, west, above and below and the four directions of
north-east, north-west, south-east and south-west, ie the scope of mental
can be analysed in tis way.
Thus it is said that the propensities (or emanations,
manifestations, or flows of propensities) are one thousand
in number, and they are all controlled by the
multi-propensive plexus of the human body. And the
controlling point of this plexus, when pinnacled, touches
the Supreme. That state is the state of perfect psychic
equilibrium and equipoise.
Date: Wed, 10 Dec 1997 05:51:58, -0500
From: TDVW36AATnospamprodigy.com ( THOMAS SMITH)
To: kundalini-lATnospamexecpc.com
Subject: Re: Thirty Three
Message-Id: <199712101051.FAA09210ATnospammime4.prodigy.com>
Thank you Sis...........
Truth from the heart.............
"As the poet Rumi says, the light that falls on this wall may appear
a
little different than it does on that wall, but it's the same light."
I awakened to that awareness 18 months ago...it it is true with
every
human issue at hand, doesn't it.....Sex, Race, Religious belief.....
Etc.
We are all different but, we come from the same Light.......
Namaste'
____
God Loves You Forever
Tom
Date: Wed, 10 Dec 1997 03:11:22 PST
From: "Susan Carlson" <divine_goddessATnospamhotmail.com>
To: DonBBensonATnospamaol.com, kundalini-lATnospamexecpc.com
Subject: your private email and list courtesy
Message-ID: <19971210111123.16093.qmailATnospamhotmail.com>
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Dear Don,
Thank you for your private response to my public question and inquiries.
Although your response helped me to understand you a little better, it
still did not really answer the question of why you choose to make your
presence known on the list.
I think its time for a little reality check here and then I am going to
drop this unless I see you preying on others in the playground again.
Did you know, I have received many responses about our little flame war
thanking me for standing up to you and calling you on your agenda?
Do you know, many people when they see your name, they automatically
delete your message without even reading it?
Has the behaviour of the messenger made the message distasteful?
Maybe you are here to teach us how to love Christians in spite of
themselves. Don't really know for sure.
Do people know that the URL you post is a site for Christian
apologetics...making a defense for the case for christianity?
The graphic quality of your site is top notch, well designed too.
In light of the post you just made about Lord Maitreya...I bet you know
his case backwards and forwards...ya know you being an apologist and
all. [I could be wrong though.] When I was a soul winning fundie, i made
it my business to know what the enemy was up to.
Sounds like your past background in the newage movement was much more in
depth than mine....cant ever say I was a part of it to that extent but
it sure explains why you come off behaving as a former smoker who wants
every body to quit smoking. To be fair and honest, I can be a bit rabid
about fundamentalism as you have seen.
Fundies, in any form, militant religionists, are capable of inflicting
great damage in the war of my diety is better than your diety.
Between you and me, my form of christian fundamentalism thinks the
charismatic movement is of the devil and no true christian would
practice it...and I can back it up with biblical references. :-)
I would love to see, Don the human being, instead of Don the warrior and
strategist for God's side, show himself on this list. Jesus was not
afraid of being vulnerable, why should you?
Until that time, I will be watching for guerilla evangelism techniques
and will expose them as I can expose them because of my intimate
knowledge of them.
In the meantime...gives us an opportunity to know the real you, so we
can learn to love and appreciate you for who you are in the diversity of
this list. This list is only a reflection of the world at large, except
the Holy Spirit in all its forms is heavily concentrated within the
people of this list. The Holy Spirit breathes in and out thru this
list...if only you would open your eyes to see and your ears to hear and
your heart to It's call.
Much love,
Susan
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Date: Wed, 10 Dec 1997 07:38:43 -0600
From: jeannegATnospamicon.net (Jeanne Garner)
To: kundalini-lATnospamexecpc.com
Subject: Re: Thirty Three
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Hi,
> I am grateful for your efforts on behalf of those of us on the list who
>would like to freely and safely discuss areas of kundalini activity in our
>lives without falling prey to guerrilla evangelism.
> I'm of two minds here....on the one hand I like the diversity of this k-
>list population, on the other hand dogma discussions are crashingly boring
>when one of the fruits of exploring this path has been that I don't feel I
>have to justify (or defend against evangelists for) having one foot in eastern
>philosophy and another in western...it's all one.
There are some posts that, once I see the author, I don't bother to read.
These are the ones who aren't talking and sharing =with= the rest of us, but
instead tend to talk =at= us. There is little or no flow allowed to return
to those authors, they only send out. You can feel that here on this
list--the walls erected by some (fortunately very few) writers, the
separation they create between "them" and "others." There is often the
impression--implicitly or explicitly--that one can become a member of "them"
if only one aligns the beliefs in step with the writers; an implication of
superiority or inferiorty (depending on where the reader stands) based on
those beliefs.
That's not a true spirit of sharing wisdom and experience. It's propaganda,
a futherance of someone's agenda. It's not the religion so much as it is
the outpouring of dogma sans real compassion and love. Most teachings will
be a mixture of all three qualities, but without the latter two, there's
just not much I find worth reading. So I don't bother with posts from
some--not very many, but yes, some--writers here, especially lately. Unless
there's both give AND take in a conversation, it's not a conversation. It's
a speech, a monologue--and an automatic "delete" after I pick up my email.
Jeanne
==-* My stars!
Date: Wed, 10 Dec 1997 09:47:39 -0500
From: "Harsh K. Luthar" <hlutharATnospamresearch1.bryant.edu>
To: lodpressATnospamintercomm.com
CC: Kurt Keutzer <keutzerATnospamsynopsys.com>, smacraeATnospamcamtech.net.au,
kundalini-lATnospamexecpc.com, hlutharATnospambryant.edu,
heartzenATnospamlistserv.servtech.com, gkiefferATnospamnetaxis.com
Subject: Re: 3 Piercings (was Re: Enlightenment)
Message-ID: <348EAB8B.1FAAATnospamacad.bryant.edu>
Dear Gloria,
Loved reading your response!
Harsh
Gloria Greco wrote:
>
> >
> Enter The Silence to Know God ... and... accept life as the teacher.
> Gloria Joy Greco
> e-mail me at : lodpressATnospamintercomm.com and visit our homepages at:
> http://users.intercomm.com/larryn/
> &
> http://www.freeyellow.com/members/zg888/
> Hope you enjoy them!
Date: Wed, 10 Dec 1997 08:17:11 -0600
From: amckeonATnospamhsmail.nfld.k12.mn.us
To: kundalini-lATnospamexecpc.com
Subject: Re: Enlightenment
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Kurt wrote:
<snip>
>It is still necessary that the practitioner reflect on the inherent emptiness
>>of the bliss that is created..
<snip>
>..possible that one is literally stuck in bliss without experiencing the
>>ultimate cognitive realization.
<snip>
I have felt this "empty bliss." When this first happened to me and it was
very intense, I would approach the nearest human and tell them how happy I
was to see them, assuming that this bliss must in some way be connected to
them, and beam all this love at them. I was met with fear and confusion. I
know now that I must have looked quite out of my mind. I learned to quit
doing that. (Except with my husband.)
Now when this happens I usually don't bother other people with it, but I
still look around for the "object" of this bliss. What is it? What is
causing this? What am I so excited about? There is an anticipation... I
look out the window at the sky and wonder if I am getting an intuition that
something big is about to happen. One time I did see the Northern Lights.
But usually it is just sky, nothing out of the ordinary...
When I cannot find an object, I search for a concept to grasp. I want this
bliss to stay, but I need something to focus on, something to "think
about...". And then this bliss just "goes away."
So I guess that the very *emptiness* of the bliss is the point, huh?
Fascinating. Don't think I've gotten to that "ultimate cognitive
realization," so I must be "stuck." Don't quite know where to go from here.
I'm not "practicing" any disciplines other than exercise to stay healthy
and keep my weight down. Bought a video tape on kundalini yoga but haven't
even watched it yet...
Sorry if this is all really vague, but I had no words for this phenomenon
at all until your post :). Thanks for the ideas.
JOWW (just one woman's weirdness),
amckeon
Date: Wed, 10 Dec 1997 08:19:50 -0800
From: John Halonen <mtmindATnospamusa.net>
To: kundalini-lATnospamexecpc.com
Subject: Re: 3 Piercings (was Re: Enlightenment)
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>Gloria says:
>
>"There is a huge difference between the nice elating pranic or kundalini
>movement that flows up the spine to just kiss the chakra's...and what I
>call a full out eruption"
>
Sue:
>There certainly is a big difference but not in the end result. I have
>observed and worked with people experiencing both and consider that the
>force of the eruption has more to do with the amount of work kundalini
>needs to do in that particular person, than with any other single
>factor. The blockages that kundalini releases are the accumulations of
>our past dogmas, judgements, actions, thoughts, feelings etc. If the
>eruptions are violent, Kundalini in her wisdom has decided they need to
>be. Kundalini can also be subtle, permeating the physical and
>energetic, rather than blasting. That is one of the magnificent things
>about her, she knows exactly what each of us needs and responds
>accordingly!
>
John:
I believe the tickling prana on the locks is a cleanseing the body does
in order to help loosen the locks for the kundalini, but do not believe
prana can pierce them.
I do bielive that the more work done in this area can lessen the drama felt
leading up to the actual undoing of the lock.
I have not experienced this yet, just something I see in my mind's eye.
Even now though I watch my councious shift, and somtimes it feels as though
I could walk out in front of my body while fully alert and walking down the
hall.
I can locate my concious on certain areas of the shushumna and BAM! things
defintely happen. but I belive this is just prana focused on blockages and
not the actual granthis.
I want to thank everyone for the discusion on this topic.
It is very valuable and helpful.
May you untie your granthis as easily as a christmas bow :)
Blessings
John Halonen
Date: Wed, 10 Dec 1997 08:31:39 -0600
From: amckeonATnospamhsmail.nfld.k12.mn.us
To: kundalini-lATnospamexecpc.com
Subject: next generation
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Ruth wrote:
>...any child born since 1989 is 80% sure to be a STAR SEED..
Well, I don't know for sure if my niece Sarah, who I have mentioned before,
is STAR SEED, but she is one perceptive kid. About a year ago she says to
me out of the blue "I know what you should be for Halloween." I smiled and
said "what?" She says "pippi longstocking!" I almost fell over. I loved
those books as a child, and there is definitely a part of me that strongly
identifies with the character. What a delightful child Sarah is. I will
enjoy watching her grow.
sincerely,
amckeon
Date: Wed, 10 Dec 1997 10:25:15 -0500
From: "Harsh K. Luthar" <hlutharATnospamresearch1.bryant.edu>
To: DonBBenson <DonBBensonATnospamaol.com>
CC: dorf01ATnospammail.win.org, kundalini-lATnospamlists.execpc.com
Subject: Re: *Lord Matraiya*
Message-ID: <348EB45B.1419ATnospamacad.bryant.edu>
DonBBenson wrote:
>
> In a message dated 97-12-09 16:38:34 EST, dorf01ATnospammail.win.org writes:
>
> << i suppose closer to my paradign would be Harsha, since our paths kinda
> came out of the vendantic tradition.
> >>
>
> Dear Debora,
>
> I'm about ready to start a Harsha fan club, okay? Really, the man definitely
> knows his stuff.
>
Dear Don,
You need not start a fan club. Although my understanding of
Christianity differs than yours, I would like you to know that I have
great reverence for many Christian saints. My father often had visions
of Christ and instilled in me great love for all religions. I am not a
Biblical scholar so correct me if I am wrong but did not Jesus say,
"Those who dwell in Love, dwell in God, for God is Love. Also Kingdom of
Heaven and the experience of God is known as the "Peace that Passeth all
understanding." The goal of Love and Peace is a theme that unifies
understanding of diverse ways of thinking, different philosophies and
religions. One of the greatest modern saints of India was a Christian,
Mother Theresa, who helped and fed the poorest of the poor. She recently
passed away. You should trust God and have faith.
God bless you with peace and love.
Harsh
Date: Wed, 10 Dec 1997 08:35:32 -0800
From: John Halonen <mtmindATnospamusa.net>
To: kundalini-lATnospamexecpc.com
Subject: Deep breathing
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Lately I have been doing some breath work. Deep breath meditation
down into the abdomen. After a few days of this my conscious has been
sucked into the third chakra like a whirlwind. This was a great feeling
and it was easily slowed down by the discontinuing of the deep breaths.
Something made me want to post this. Maybe someone needs a breath of
fresh air. Give this a try.
It was as simple as watching a deep breath go into the abdomen completely,
and then watching the FULL exhale. And it has to be the full exhale, like
your
conscious is with your breath as the last of it leaves your mouth.
and repeat.
Blessings,
John Halonen
Date: Wed, 10 Dec 1997 09:50:00 -0800
From: John Halonen <mtmindATnospamusa.net>
To: kundalini-lATnospamexecpc.com
Subject: Thieves and ourselves.
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Isn't it funny that we have to become theives and break through
three of the toughest locks in the universe just to help find ourselves.
Lot's of people lock up valuables to keep them safe.
What I was wondering is, was this something done to ourselves over a great
period of time, or are these the locks god has given to the great garden
of eden in each one of us.
I find it funny also that I just read an article on the net on how to
pick locks. Tried it on some at my house and turns out I'm pretty good at it.
Just something I always wanted to do. :-)
The best part of the article.
somtimes locks get damaged in the process. Think about what you are trying
to do,
because there is usaully another way to accomplish it. you just haven't
thought
of it yet.
Just something to think about.
Blessings
John Halonen
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