1997/12/08 09:59
kundalini-l-d Digest V97 #804
kundalini-l-d Digest Volume 97 : Issue 804
Today's Topics:
Re: Thirty Three [ jim.christophersonATnospamjuno.com (Jim R ]
Astrology today [ Ruth Trimble <trimbleATnospamhawaii.edu> ]
New Generation [ Ruth Trimble <trimbleATnospamhawaii.edu> ]
Need Advice: Strange Stuff [ anandajyoti <anandajyotiATnospamgeocities. ]
Re: Enlightenment [ "Harsh K. Luthar" <hlutharATnospamresearch ]
Re: Need Advice: Strange Stuff [ Gloria <glorybeATnospamintrepid.net> ]
Re: Realization [ "Harsh K. Luthar" <hlutharATnospamresearch ]
Re: Enlightenment is... [ "Harsh K. Luthar" <hlutharATnospamresearch ]
Re: Enlightenment is... [ "Debora A. Orf" <dorf01ATnospammail.win.or ]
Re: losing your soul mate [ amckeonATnospamhsmail.nfld.k12.mn.us ]
Re: soul mates and Karma (personal r [ amckeonATnospamhsmail.nfld.k12.mn.us ]
Re: Enlightenment [ "Harsh K. Luthar" <hlutharATnospamresearch ]
Date: Mon, 8 Dec 1997 00:36:43 -0700
From: jim.christophersonATnospamjuno.com (Jim R Christopherson)
To: dorf01ATnospammail.win.org
Cc: trimbleATnospamhawaii.edu, kundalini-lATnospamlists.execpc.com
Subject: Re: Thirty Three
Message-ID: <19971208.004750.8550.0.jim.christophersonATnospamjuno.com>
On Sun, 7 Dec 1997 19:38:17 -0600 (CST) "Debora A. Orf"
<dorf01ATnospammail.win.org> writes:
>> I would be interested in any one else's reflections on the age 33.
Whoever started this deal about 33, I do not know, but it has been
fascinating for me because I am NOW 33.
While I have done a lot of things in my life up to this point, it seems
as though only now am I beginning to hit my stride. It's like everything
that I have ever done is fusing for me in order for me to be able to
accomplish my own purpose and mission. I am finally clear on what I want.
This has taken my entire life and I an sure will continue to crystallize
as my life progresses.
I realize now more than ever how important my family is to me. I know
that I want to marry and raise children. I want to be a daddy. I want to
live on a lake where I can be in the water all the time riding boats or
swimming or whatever. I want to live without regret. I want to choose to
be positive and joyful. I want to have enough money so that I never have
to make a decision based on money. I want to sing loudly and not care
that I am singing off key. I want to raid someone else's grocery cart as
a prank.
I want to swim in all the oceans and stand on every continent. I want to
attend a HUGE rock concert. I want to give away over $1,000,000 dollars.
I want to run a mini marathon. I want to win a national dance contest (I
am a pretty good dancer if I do say so myself). I want to skinny dip in
public (ok maybe just a little public) (maybe a public place when nobody
is there)
My work and businesses are growing quickly. I am buying a house for the
first time right now (very, very cool for me). I am hoping that my
"soulmate" shows up soon. I have decided that if I am not married by the
time I am 35, I am going to adopt a young child.
For me life is good and getting better. I am still as idealistic as ever.
I also have some temperence, acceptance of who other people are and who
they are not. I am also willing to admit that I am not perfect.
In summary, I am old enough to know better and young enough to do it
again.
Namaste,
Jim
=======
>ok enuf rambling. i'm in hyper. if u read this this far. way cool. if
>you read this this far and think 'she's from mars' hit the delete key.
Hey dao, you're too much. I like your attitude.
Date: Sun, 7 Dec 1997 21:49:03 -1000
From: Ruth Trimble <trimbleATnospamhawaii.edu>
To: kundalini-lATnospamexecpc.com
Subject: Astrology today
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Thiscame on another list:
From: Patricia Mercier <phoweATnospamPTBO.IGS.NET>
Subject: Serpent Fire
0I'm an Astrologer and I noticed the shape of the planetary lineup
beginning with the sun conjunct pluto in Saggitarius followed by Mercuryat
O degrees Capricorn then the moon,mars,venus,neptune. Uranus and
Jupiter in Aquarius ending with Saturn in Aries,retrograde leading as the
pointer. The shape reminded me of a serpent. Since it began in a fire sign
Sagitarius and ended in Aries I interpreted the lineup as THE PATH OF
TRANSFORMATION with Saturn leading as the cutting edge, THE TRAILBLAZER.
When Saturn goes stationary direct on the 16th of December you can expect
things to really gel and move ahead.
---------
Mystress Angelique Serpent.. what have you been up to now?
*****
Date: Sun, 7 Dec 1997 22:03:30 -1000
From: Ruth Trimble <trimbleATnospamhawaii.edu>
To: kundalini-lATnospamlists.execpc.com
cc: magehydroATnospamicon.co.za
Subject: New Generation
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Hi Visic:
I enjoyed reading your letter and glad to see one so young on our list.
It is wonderful to have such confirmation of what I am sensing in my own
daughter.
you say>>I just =
wanted to give what I am experiencing and friends around me who are also =
16 or so. Us as a group are moving quite fast and it is hard. It still =
amazes me how the world has sped up in past few years and the new =
generation intergrates it as it comes. We could not do this if it =
weren't for the ppl before us who mapped out the territory and have =
constantly held our hands as we explore and change as we bring down the =
frequency of love and of light. So as we learn together we can bring =
this earth into a new dimension.=20>>
Thank you for recognizing that others have been preparing the way for you.
I am glad you are aware of your task.. and I salute your courage.
Greetings Star Seeds! H aha... It's better than Star Trek!ATnospam Are you in
Zambia.. if so equal welcome since we do not have many African members as
far as I can tell. What is the word for Kundalini in Swahili? Just
curious!
Ruth
*****
Date: Mon, 08 Dec 1997 01:31:55 -0800
From: anandajyoti <anandajyotiATnospamgeocities.com>
To: "kundalini-lATnospamlists.execpc.com" <kundalini-lATnospamlists.execpc.com>
CC: TGarlandATnospamVIPMail.com
Subject: Need Advice: Strange Stuff
Message-ID: <348BBE81.E5898D5CATnospamgeocities.com>
Teresa!
Dreams when interpreted correctly do open the doors of our unconscious
and gives us valuable results in time.
In order to interpret dreams truthfully, we must have the courage and
openness to look at our naked truth, hidden behind our mask of
personality.
Our higher self is always gentle and loving with us as such it also
hides the truth slightly, so as not throw us off balance.
As we learn to understand our dreams and as we grow in our strength and
willingness to look at our challenges, that our dreams bring forth to
us, we find that our dreams will give us more clarity, in understanding
our situations.
Sometimes our unconscious gives the material, in very polite , indirect
way and sometimes it also gives us three truth very rapidly and
directly. Why , because our unconscious is very loving and kind with us.
The method:
Recall: Deep desire to remember our dreams and write them down.
We also need to write what we felt when we woke up from the dream, or
the first thought which comes to our mind.
We also sometimes, put on blinders, because there are things which we
like to keep buried in the unconscious, and are fearful to tackle it
with our conscious mind.
Recording Dreams: We must write it as it is., even if very short. We
need to be honest to ourselves here. After writing the major content, we
can fill in the details If we do not face up to our dreams, then we will
surely collect a lot of skeletons, in the closet of our minds.
Commentary on the dream: How did you feel when you woke up. Did you feel
calm, elated, overjoyed, miserable, startled, fearful, anxious, or even
indifferent.
How was your physical heart rhythm. How were you sleeping , on your
stomach, on your left, on your right. Details need to be written down.
Note the feelings on waking up, if recreated later, they have a
different color.
The importance of a dream is signified by the intensity of your
feelings, upon waking up.
Primary Interpretation:
Write down what at first reading , the dream may mean to you. If you are
confused then try to figure why would be confused. What aspect of the
dream confuses you.
Conscious Concerns: Write down the what you think could have led to this
dream, by reference to the events and thought so f the previous day.
Key words: Write down the key words, including people, objects, actions,
settings. Write down the meanings of the key words, as they mean to you,
not as defined by a dictionary.
Meaning of the Dream: Now with the data in your hands, on the symbols,
situations, feelings, physical states, you can star to interpret your
dreams.
First by key word, then by a groups of words, then by sentences.
And finally you would see the message of the dream revealed to you.
Every dream may be interpreted in the physical, emotional, mental and
spiritual levels, if it does indicate such inclinations. Sometimes may
be one or two levels can be found and sometimes even all four levels.
Application: Dreams when acted upon in sincerity after the meaning has
been found out, makes our spiritual growth much easier.
Intellectualizing will not take us anywhere, but understanding and
applying it life would definitely help our growth, in understanding
ourselves.
Dear K List,
1) Dream: There are (3 people )nearby, one ("person 3") is someone I
trust. ("Person 1") tries to (slit )my (throat), I( run), "Person 2"
(grabs) me
and tries to slip (a rope )around my( neck), I( run) to my trusted
friend. ( He)
(holds) me, and then proceeds to (choke) me. I (wake) up before I(
die). My
thoughts as I am dying "there is( no escape) from death".
2) Meditation: As I was( sitting)( quietly), I beheld an (image) of
(hands) on
my( head). First they (caressed) my head, then they (came down) to my
neck
and began to (choke )me.
Question: Clearly, something deep and dark is trying to come out. How
do I work with these dreams & images of self death?
3) Later, these same hands, started (groping) my (body). I felt like I
was
being (spiritually) (molested), so I made (my mind)( strong), and they
(went
away).
Question: Heavens, what was that? Do I need to protect myself from
things out there? (It was very frightening).
4) During that same meditation, I( looked) at my( hands), and they were
not
mine (they belonged to a( man). I was able to see a little( outline) of
my
own (hands). I tried to( look )at my (face), but the( features) were
(jumbled).
Question: Should I be concerned about this?
Would suggest try the method , I have outlined above and you would find
the meaning.
Ananadajyoti
http://www.geocities.com/Athens/Forum/6782
Date: Mon, 08 Dec 1997 09:51:42 -0500
From: "Harsh K. Luthar" <hlutharATnospamresearch1.bryant.edu>
To: Gloria <glorybeATnospamintrepid.net>
CC: kundalini-lATnospamexecpc.com
Subject: Re: Enlightenment
Message-ID: <348C097E.3649ATnospamacad.bryant.edu>
Beautiful. Beautifully put. The whole truth in its essence.
Harsh
Gloria wrote:
>
> At 05:37 PM 12/5/97 -0800, you wrote:M wrote
> >
> >
> >
> > "The thing you are looking for is what is looking."
> >
> > St. Francis (I think)
> >
> >
> >
> >M
> >
> >Gloria Lee here..
>
> Maybe St. Francis did also..but there is a Rumi quote like this too.
>
> Do not look for God
> Look for the one looking for God.
Date: Mon, 08 Dec 1997 09:25:54 -0500
From: Gloria <glorybeATnospamintrepid.net>
To: Teresa <TGarlandATnospamVIPMail.com>
Cc: kundalini-lATnospamexecpc.com
Subject: Re: Need Advice: Strange Stuff
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At 10:20 AM 12/6/97 -0500, you wrote:
>Dear K List,
>I need some advice. I've been having strange dreams, and strange
>images during meditation. They go to the dark side, which I have worked
>with (successfully) in the past, but this is beyond my experience.
>
>1) Dream: There are 3 people nearby, one ("person 3") is someone I
>trust. "Person 1" tries to slit my throat, I run, "Person 2" grabs me
>and tries to slip a rope around my neck, I run to my trusted friend. He
>holds me, and then proceeds to choke me. I wake up before I die. My
>thoughts as I am dying "there is no escape from death". (My own
>comment: How Buddhist!)
>
>2) Meditation: As I was sitting quiety, I beheld an image of hands on
>my head. First they caressed my head, then they came down to my neck
>and began to choke me.
>
>Question: Clearly, something deep and dark is trying to come out. How
>do I work with these dreams & images of self death?
>
>3) Later, these same hands, started groping my body. I felt like I was
>being spiritually molested, so I made my mind strong, and they went
>away.
>Question: Heavens, what was that? Do I need to protect myself from
>things out there? (It was very frightening).
>
>4) During that same meditation, I looked at my hands, and they were not
>mine (they belonged to a man). I was able to see a little outline of my
>own hands. I tried to look at my face, but the features were jumbled.
>Question: Should I be concerned about this?
>
>About me: I am experiencing lots of K activity including extremely
>energetic kriyas, and mostly doing okay with it. I am working from the
>heart (although my navel opened up some time ago). My chakras take
>turns opening and closing, but my heart is currently the most open. One
>month ago, I separated from my husband (my choice). This week, my old
>cat died.
>
>I really appreciate comments.
>Teresa
>
>Gloria LEE (not Greco)
Sorry for anyone else who may have been confused by 2 Glorias on the list
Teresa, The most important issue about death dreams is actually that they
MOST often signal rebirth and new life is coming to you. The simple fact
that you seperated from your husband would also indicate this..The time of
any major life transition(such as a divorce) is a time when people are
challenged to grow and change as you must create a new life. The so-called
darkside is often your friend in disguise (perhaps is why in one dream you
saw your friends trying to kill you) Obviously you are already
re-evaluating your issues with the male/female dynamic and hence the
appearance of *male hands and a jumbled face* may indicate a need to sort
this out. Every female has a male kind of identity in shadow side..and the
type of man you *see* or seek often represents what is really YOU. None of
this that I say is certain to be true of you, so take it as a suggestion
for further thought..the real answers are only within you. Most often the
dream is a kind of message to say to you,"hey, look at this issue now".
>Just trying to help a bit. Ask who or what is *dying* now..if you dive
into the feelings of fear and what seems dark...you often find a valuable
gift..a piece of yourself you may have cast aside previously is wanting to
come into the light. Also the loss issues with hubby and cat often *feel*
like a kind of death of parts of you. You are so fortunate to be having
your awareness and can bring whatever you are feeling into your heart
chakra for compassion and transformation. As Ruth Trimble has so wisely
said, " You can handle this". Best wishes and healing love to you..Gloria LEE
Date: Mon, 08 Dec 1997 10:20:58 -0500
From: "Harsh K. Luthar" <hlutharATnospamresearch1.bryant.edu>
To: Ruth Trimble <trimbleATnospamhawaii.edu>
CC: "Harsh K. Luthar" <hlutharATnospambryant.edu>, kundalini-lATnospamlists.execpc.com
Subject: Re: Realization
Message-ID: <348C105A.6691ATnospamacad.bryant.edu>
Dear Ruth, I appreciate your insights. Being a long term practitioner,
you must realize that Books do not contain all the information. Even
books which are considered classics do not contain sufficient
information on the practical experiences on the path. By sharing we all
benefit.
Harsh
By the way. Thank you for writing Harsha:-) That is how my name is
pronounced. Hindi and Sanskrit often add the A at the end. Ram becomes
Rama. Krishan becomes Krishna and so on.
Ruth Trimble wrote:
>
> Dear Harsha:
> Thank you so much for this answer. I guess I look to you for some
> information that I have not been able to find in books or among other
> colleagues. I also loved the simplicity of your answer. I think even
> uneducated, unschooled folks can reach this state.. without anything as
> exotic as Kundalini awakening.
> It is valuable having your acquaintance.
> Ruth
> > > Ruth,
> > There are many paths and many different methods. For direct experience
> > of the Kundalini power, using Shakti mantras and focusing on the
> > appropriate centers is sufficient. However, Kundalini need not be
> > directly aroused for Self-Realization. For a person who has complete
> > devotion in his/her Heart for the Supereme Being, all methods are
> > superfluous.
Date: Mon, 08 Dec 1997 10:26:50 -0500
From: "Harsh K. Luthar" <hlutharATnospamresearch1.bryant.edu>
To: tg langston <tgxxxATnospamjuno.com>
CC: kundalini-lATnospamexecpc.com
Subject: Re: Enlightenment is...
Message-ID: <348C11BA.2E47ATnospamacad.bryant.edu>
Very funny. Loved reading it. What is enlightenment? It is the state of
the Self. Where is the glamor in being One's Own Self. There are many
powerful and extraordinary Samadhis and experiences on the spiritual
path. But beyond that there is only Who you truly are. The reality at
the core of your Being. Indeed, Self-Realization is the ordinary state.
Why should a person not act naturally?
tg langston wrote:
>
> . You always act the way you think an enlightened being should act.
>
> . You always act the way others say an enlightened being should act.
>
> . You transcend your anger by pretending it doesn't exist.
>
> . You pretend and act as if you are a spiritual being living in a human
> body.
>
> . You always argue with a fool so others will know who the wise one is.
>
> . You know you are the chosen one (just like you always suspected).
>
> . You have your Guru/Teacher on a pedestal.
>
> xxxtg
>
> "Seen it all, done it all, can't remember most of it."
>
>
> http://members.aol.com/Teeegeee/tgsplace.html <~~~~~~ on the web now!
Date: Mon, 8 Dec 1997 08:43:47 -0600 (CST)
From: "Debora A. Orf" <dorf01ATnospammail.win.org>
To: tg langston <tgxxxATnospamjuno.com>
cc: kundalini-lATnospamexecpc.com, kundalini-lATnospamlists.execpc.com
Subject: Re: Enlightenment is...
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On Fri, 5 Dec 1997, tg langston wrote:
>
> . You always act the way you think an enlightened being should act.
but you dont realize that you are doing that.
> . You always act the way others say an enlightened being should act.
but no one every told you what that should be.
> . You transcend your anger by pretending it doesn't exist.
if you look at its root, it really has no substance.
> . You pretend and act as if you are a spiritual being living in a human
> body.
if i drop a rock in the water, the waves hit the shore.
> . You always argue with a fool so others will know who the wise one is.
ah-HO!
> . You know you are the chosen one (just like you always suspected).
Who is there to choose? Where is me or you?
> . You have your Guru/Teacher on a pedestal.
more like on the top of your head or in your heart. then what is the
pedestal?
> xxxtg
>
> "Seen it all, done it all, can't remember most of it."
heard it was fun tho :).
mudita :)
--dao
Date: Mon, 8 Dec 1997 09:28:35 -0600
From: amckeonATnospamhsmail.nfld.k12.mn.us
To: kundalini-lATnospamexecpc.com
Subject: Re: losing your soul mate
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I once lost someone I thought was my soulmate (K rising spontaneously may
have had something to do with it ;). Very painful. I experienced actual
physical withdrawal, in addition to the mental and emotional torment. It
caused me to go through changes, as they say...
I began psychotherapy, attended 12 step groups, joined Mensa, started
exercising regularly, practiced celibacy, begain volunteering at a nursing
home, went back to college... A lady at the church I was attending at the
time told me that "God never takes something from you, but that he gives
you something better in return." I thought "Yeah, right."
I decided to give up on trying to find my one true love and attempt to
develop friendships with men instead, without expectations. And I continued
to work on myself, and to learn to value who I was becoming, me by myself.
That was when I met my true soulmate! The usual paradoxes of "life in the
Kundalini lane" apply here as well ;-P.
There were a few rocky times in the beginning, what with the stress of
families blending, etc. But the love and commitment was always strong
enough to weather it. Things are pretty smooth now (at least between us
two), just the occassional bump in the road, but so much love that I hardly
notice even that.
The thing is, the first man may have been the soulmate for the person I was
when I met him. Had I stagnated as that person, I may have continued to
feel that I had missed out on my only chance for happiness. I was quite a
*different* person by the time I met my *true* soulmate. So we may have
different soulmates for the different stages we go through, at least until
we peel all the layers and get down to who we really are. So if you feel
like a "lock that lost it's key," become a "differently shaped" lock and
see what happens. Hope I'm making sense :-}.
I wish you all the best, and the best is yet to come!,
amckeon
Date: Mon, 8 Dec 1997 09:28:42 -0600
From: amckeonATnospamhsmail.nfld.k12.mn.us
To: kundalini-lATnospamexecpc.com
Subject: Re: soul mates and Karma (personal reply)
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someone wrote:
>>if from the perspective of reincarnation...[if reincarnation is
>>valid..who knows...] even if someone loved me enough to play the part of
>>tormentor in this life so i may grow to know what it is to extend
>>unconditional love and forgiveness to them and myself [and so heal
>>myself]...
Jaxx responded:
<snip>
>he has been abusive, aggressive, and really hurt me and destroyed the
>trust that was between us.
<snip>
>I didnt work out
>this stuff in my previous incarnation so it affects me now... I am/have
>been fearful around some sexual matters and am unorgasmic... something I
>took to be 'just bad luck' - one of the few percentile of woman like this...
>I have since questioned why I should accept this as being so...
>
<snip>
>I dont know how to react to this man...
>I dont know how to forgive and 'respect that fact he has
>chosen to torment he in this life so I may get over things'
First of all, even if reincarnation is valid (and I am not totally
convinced yet), the life you are living right now is the most important
one. Don't get so caught up in what may have happened in past lives that
you miss the opportunities for growth and happiness in this one. And don't
assume that he has choosen to torment you so that you may get over things.
He may choose to torment you because he likes it! Don't assume you owe him
anything from a past life. Reincarnation is used as an excuse for bad
behavior, way too often in my opinion.
Next, the above statement about learning unconditional love and forgiveness
through being tormented needs to be looked at with a very critical eye. I
understand what the person is trying to say, but such lessons may be for
more advanced students that you or I (forgive me if I presume too much).
Not all of us are capable of being Mother Theresa at this point in our
evolution. It is normal and natural for someone who has been so mistreated
to try to rise so far above it all that you feel you need to grow wings. I
have been there! If you expect sainthood of yourself prematurely, you are
setting yourself up for grave disappointment. I suspect that you need to
work through some anger before you can get to the "peace that surpasses
understanding" and the mind set that can learn such transcending
forgiveness as depicted above. Be gentle and forgiving with *yourself,*
first. Gain strength.
Which brings me to your sexuality. It is *not* bad luck. And your problem
is very common with women. It is not just personal history (childhood
abuse, etc.), but the culture we live in that stunts our sexual
development. There doesn't have to be any Karmic Mysteries operating here!
I went though years of therapy and lived to be 33 years old before things
got better for me. The key for me was in facing my abuser. I had to tell
him to his face (with two therapists present, so I felt safe) what he had
done to me and that I was angry about it. He was hurt, but he needed to
face the consequences of his actions, or how would he ever grow? Years
later, there is some forgiveness, but I will never fully trust this person
again. Forgiving someone prematurely can not only harm you, but the person
who needs your forgiveness.
Lastly, I think of your safety. Allowing this person to continue to abuse
you is not good for either of you. Take a step back, and consider cutting
off any communication with this person while you sort yourself out. Get the
help you need to work through your past (the one in *this* life). You have
no idea how wonderful you will feel when you do. I wish I had the words. It
is like the difference between Heaven and Hell. When you are stronger, you
may be able to be friends with this person again, but that is not your
first priority! You are. You are worth it. God/dess loves you just as much
as he/she loves this other person. You are every bit as valuable. Do not
give up. Do not be discouraged. Healing is more than possible, it is
inevitable!
sincerely,
amckeon
Date: Mon, 08 Dec 1997 12:26:39 -0500
From: "Harsh K. Luthar" <hlutharATnospamresearch1.bryant.edu>
To: Kurt Keutzer <keutzerATnospamsynopsys.com>
CC: "Harsh K. Luthar" <hlutharATnospambryant.edu>, kundalini-lATnospamlists.execpc.com
Subject: Re: Enlightenment
Message-ID: <348C2DCF.2B8ATnospamacad.bryant.edu>
Kurt, I was silent over the weekend. I came back and found many
messages. I have never refused to answer a *serious* question from a
*genuine seeker* which will *help* that person. Keeping that in mind You
may ask any question you wish. I am familiar with Patanjali's Sutras. I
am familiar with most of the classic works on various Yogas and Tantras.
I had access to such books beginning at the age of 7 in my Grand
father's house. Due to my natural tendencies in the spiritual direction
I read them all with great fascination and interest and became a
practitioner of Kundalini Yoga. I practiced advanced pranayamas, with
concentration on the psychic centers with breath retention from a young
age.
I have described my experience of Kevala Nirvikalpa Samadhi clearly in
an unpublished paper I wrote some years ago. In the future I may publish
it along with other essays and stories. Briefly: With me the Shakti
first rose to the Sahashara. From the Sahashara, threre is an
exceedingly subtle Nadi (which is called the Jiva Nadi or Amrita Nadi)
which is actually the continuation of the Sushamna. If by divine grace
the Shakti enters that Nadi, it is irresistably pulled as if by a Huge
and a Powerful Magnet into the Hridayam or the Spiritual Heart which is
experienced in the front of the body slightly to the right of the middle
of chest (just above the solar plexus and to the left of the right
nipple). The mind notices the subtle anatomy as the experience is
happening. However, when the Shakti has been absorbed completely in the
Hridayam, there is not even a trace of body or mind consciousness left.
There arises then the state of Pure and Absolute Self which is
Self-Existent, Complete, and Pure Joy. It is Recognized as the Eternal
State of Pure Self-Aware consciousness. I do not know how I can be more
detailed than this on e-mail.
Although answering such questions takes some time, I am doing it for
now.
Harsh
rt Keutzer wrote:
>
> <snip>
> >You may already know this but it should be clearly stated that the
> >Amrita Nadi that Ramana Maharishi spoke of *does not* connect the
> >Sahashara and the Psychic Heart Center of Kundalini Yoga. It is a much
> >deeper and a more subtle connection between the Sahashara and the
> >Spiritual Heart where the mind is absorbed in deep sleep and in Kevala
> >Nirvikalpa Samadhi.
>
> There are two hearts in the body of the kundalini yogins as well. They are
> clearly discussed in many works on hatha and laya yoga. In my limited
> experience when the kundalini penetrates the hridaya cakra a state of total
> absorption, or the turiya of Shankaracarya, results.
>
> On that point there is much confusion as only Kevala
> >Nirvikalpa Samadhi reveals the Self and hence this knowledge. Having
> >experienced the Kundalini Shakti and its manifestations in the Psychic
> >Heart Center, in the Sahashara and the absorption of the Shakti in the
> >Spiritual Heart, I can very plainly make those distinctions. These
> >distinctions, however, can only be understood by adepts and advanced
> >students.
>
> I get cheers to continue on this kind of thing from some people and boos
> from others - but as my motivation is pure I will continue. As I read your
> statement it seems cyclical. You seem to be intent on stating that
> kundalini cannot produce nirvikalpa samadhi. I could also interpret your
> statement as simply stating that in your experience of kundalini you have
> not experienced samadhi but in other approaches you have. I am not in the
> state of nirvikalpa samadhi, but in my own glimpses of that state, and from
> the teachings I have received, nirvikalpa samadhi comes about from
> consistent exposure to samadhi followed by integration of that samadhi into
> activity. So I suppose I would say that kundalini is a direct cause of
> samadhi and an indirect cause to nirvikalpa samadhi. I'm very happy to hear
> more of your perspective on this though. If you are confident in your
> experience you will find me a very willing listener.
>
> It might help if we have a common vocabulary. Are you familiar with
> patanjali's yoga sutras?
>
> Mangalam
> Kurt
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