1997/12/08 00:47
kundalini-l-d Digest V97 #803
kundalini-l-d Digest Volume 97 : Issue 803
Today's Topics: New generation [ "Visic" ]
foto gallery [ fransATnospamdegas.telebyte.nl ] Re: The Next Generation [ acarre ]
Da Virus thing [ Ruth Trimble ] Re: Thirty Three [ LilEli ]
Rushes [ Ruth Trimble ] Re: New generation [ "Sharon Webb" ]
Re: Non-Enlightenment [ Richard Wentk ] Medicine Buddha [ "Debora A. Orf" ]
Re: Bondage by Karma or Freedom by C [ Gloria Greco ] Re: Hungry Kitty [ SKidder333 ]
Re: Thirty Three [ Susanne Macrae To:
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Hi all :)
As I walk around in school I see many who are starting awakening and have knowledge of things which come so naturally to them. Children of light and love can be seen everywhere. Just as we can learn from the people who came before us and have already mapped out territory which we can take further so can adults learn from us. Learning is a two way adventure. I have had my fair share of being patronised because of my age but even that teaches me. Our lessons come in many forms. I just wanted to give what I am experiencing and friends around me who are also 16 or so. Us as a group are moving quite fast and it is hard. It still amazes me how the world has sped up in past few years and the new generation intergrates it as it comes. We could not do this if it weren't for the ppl before us who mapped out the territory and have constantly held our hands as we explore and change as we bring down the frequency of love and of light. So as we learn together we can bring this earth into a new dimension.
Hope I didn't ramble to much :) hehe Love and Light
Ivo Visic
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From: fransATnospamdegas.telebyte.nl To: kundalini-lATnospamlists.execpc.com
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Beloved List, just a reminder, there is a foto gallery of k-list
members at: http://www.telebyte.nl/~frans/we/
Would you want to be there too, send me your foto, or point me the way if you have already a picture on the web. Snail mail for paper
pictures: Frans Storms
Priemstraat 1 6511 WC Nijmegen
The Netherlands
Harsh's paper, "Awakening of The Kundalini Shakti on the Spiritual Path" is at: http://www.telebyte.nl/~frans/kundalini/harsh.html
Frans
Date: Sun, 07 Dec 1997 17:16:56 -0500 From: acarre
To: kundalini-lATnospamlists.execpc.com Subject: Re: The Next Generation
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Ruth Trimble wrote:
> So Kirk.. your kid is here to infuse light into the subtle energies of > the
> planet which is ascending.. and thanks to these little souls of light, > so
> is everyone on the planet. It may be bumpy... so a lot of souls are > opting
> out of the experience.. and getting their cancers and accidents so > they do
> not have to experience all this. Personally I think it is a huge > adventure
> and just trust I can be around to see and experience it... for it is > all
> about grace and love and God. I am sure your child and all the other > children feel the same about being here... it is a Fun Fair...helter
> skelter.. but we all know we have to go home one day...!
So true, so nice, to see this next generation of "Buddha's" coming to teach us. They will make us listen more, if we can only open to them
more. They will find the heart of humanity in us, very soon, I have no doubt about it.
Thanks Ruth for those wonderful words.
Love
Antoine Date: Sun, 7 Dec 1997 13:13:21 -1000
From: Ruth Trimble To: kundalini-lATnospamlists.execpc.com
cc: ric51ATnospamgeorge.lhi.net Subject: Da Virus thing
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Hi rick: You say this: >>that Paul = was a "virus" sent to corrupt the
true teachings of Jesus, and to distort the = growth of the church, so that the church itself, under the rule of the Popes, = became the Beast,
so to speak. While i believe many sections of the Bible are = divinely inspired, i have a problem with the work as a whole, as it is = constitued
today. < To: kundalini-lATnospamlists.execpc.com
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Dear Ruth..
Please forgive me for an email bearing your message but no response.
Geez, I think my mouse is having a K awakening of it's own...hehehehe.
In a message dated 97-12-07 13:07:37 EST, you write:
< I would be interested in any one else'sreflections on the age 33. >>
Funny you should pose this to the list...I can barely wait to see all the reponses that come through!
Looking back I realized that the heaviest of the K stuff for me did in
fact occur at age thirty three. And my realization that what was happening to me was called KUNDALINI happened shortly
after that age. And even more so shocking upon looking back is that it happened to me through the birth of my third son, in which I almost
died. My life has never been the same since then thanks to K. And I do mean thanks...with all my heart and soul. I remember someone
posting once that K will take whatever route it needs to in order to manifest in your life, be it gentle or not. While almost checking out
during birth was not the gentlest manner of KA, it certainly was a major knock on the head for this former slow to catch on, left-brain,
give me proof sorta chick. I wokeup to many things in my life after that birth...in addition to K.
So just what IS the significance of 33....or is it mere coincidence???
In love....
Lisa
Date: Sun, 7 Dec 1997 13:23:14 -1000 From: Ruth Trimble
To: kundalini-lATnospamlists.execpc.com cc: Hillary
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Hi Hillary
You find : >>Hi everyone. I've been waking up, often several times a night, with blissful/sexual/mystical waves and explosions in brain/body
since Sept 96 after getting back into Hatha Yoga exercises. The mystical includes the idea of going through "lotus door" and entering "Satori"
>> Me too.. and most of my friends.. I call it "love washes." It is part of
the transformation process of the planet and the souls on it. Enjoy it! It is sort of like goosebumps or chicken skin on the subtle level... I
have come to enjoy it...! Thanks for the topic. *****
Date: Sun, 7 Dec 1997 19:01:28 -0500 From: "Sharon Webb"
To: Subject: Re: New generation
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Ivo,
Thanks for posting this to the list. I'd really like to hear more about you and your friends and examples of what you have been experiencing.
Sharon
shawebbATnospamyhc.edu A new fractal gallery was posted to this site on November 29th, '97:
http://home1.gte.net/itriazon/Sharon.htm USA Today Hot Site; Cosmic Site of the Night: Cool Central Site of the Day;
ENC Digital Dozen for June '97; Enchantment Award; ArtSearch Featured Site; NetTech NeatTech: Best of the Web in Educational Technology; Eye Candy
Honorable Mention
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From: Visic To: kundalini-lATnospamexecpc.com
Subject: New generation Date: Sunday, December 07, 1997 3:53 PM
Hi all :)
As I walk around in school I see many who are starting awakening and have knowledge of things which come so naturally to them. Children of light and
love can be seen everywhere. Just as we can learn from the people who came before us and have already mapped out territory which we can take further
so can adults learn from us. Learning is a two way adventure. I have had my fair share of being patronised because of my age but even that teaches me.
Our lessons come in many forms. I just wanted to give what I am experiencing and friends around me who are also 16 or so. Us as a group are
moving quite fast and it is hard. It still amazes me how the world has sped up in past few years and the new generation intergrates it as it comes. We
could not do this if it weren't for the ppl before us who mapped out the territory and have constantly held our hands as we explore and change as we
bring down the frequency of love and of light. So as we learn together we can bring this earth into a new dimension.
Hope I didn't ramble to much :) hehe
Love and Light Ivo Visic
Date: Mon, 08 Dec 1997 00:35:35 +0000 From: Richard Wentk
To: kundalini-lATnospamexecpc.com Subject: Re: Non-Enlightenment
Message-Id:
At 11:29 05/12/97 -0800, Jesa Macbeth wrote:
>More criteria:
> 1. Not fully enlightened: You are still on earth. > 2. Less enlightened: You are still on earth and don't know why.
> 3. Least enlightened: You are still on earth and think you do know why.
But - what's being on earth got to do with it?
:-)
Love,
R.
Date: Sun, 7 Dec 1997 16:56:30 -0800 From: Jesa Macbeth
To: Richard Wentk , kundalini-lATnospamexecpc.com Subject: Re: Non-Enlightenment
Message-Id:
At 12:35 AM 12/8/97 +0000, Richard Wentk wrote:
>At 11:29 05/12/97 -0800, Jesa Macbeth wrote: >
>>More criteria: >> 1. Not fully enlightened: You are still on earth.
>> 2. Less enlightened: You are still on earth and don't know why. >> 3. Least enlightened: You are still on earth and think you do know
>why. >
>But - what's being on earth got to do with it? >
>:-)
I suspect that this is the spiritual equivalent of primary school (infants school to you Brits). Besides, this is where we are.
;-)
Love you,
Jesa _____
jesamacATnospampobox.com http://www.pobox.com/~jesamac/
http://dharma-haven.org/oas/ _____
Date: Sun, 7 Dec 1997 19:12:40 -0600 (CST) From: "Debora A. Orf"
To: kundalini-lATnospamlists.execpc.com Subject: Medicine Buddha
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Hi,
On this day, our sangha following the Tibetan Calandar, celebrated the day
of the Medicine Buddha,
may all beings find happiness well being
equaniminty and ease of mind and body
freedom from the causes
of suffering and union with the causes
for true happiness.
There is an infinite amount of compassion in our heart-minds.
May we all realize its perfection
and come to Buddha-hood together.
karuna,
--janpa tsomo Date: Sun, 7 Dec 1997 19:16:18 -0600 (CST)
From: "Debora A. Orf" To: Sharon Webb
cc: kundalini-lATnospamexecpc.com, kundalini-lATnospamlists.execpc.com Subject: Re: New generation
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all i can say is i feel lucky to have been born in the summer of love,
1967.
seemed like a good time to incarnate.
go figure ;)
--debora a. orf --dorf01ATnospammail.win.org
"do not permit the events of your daily life to bind you, but never withdraw yourself from them"--Zen saying
Date: Sun, 7 Dec 1997 19:38:17 -0600 (CST) From: "Debora A. Orf"
To: Ruth Trimble cc: kundalini-lATnospamlists.execpc.com
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On Sun, 7 Dec 1997, Ruth Trimble wrote: > up to age 14 - mental (up to puberty)
> up to age 21 - emotional (age of maturation) > up to age 28 - ?? etheric (not sure after this....I hope others
> can fill it in... )
when i was 28, i became driven by an intense intense need to "DO SOMETHING". i was stagnating spiritually, and having had my first K
experience around the age of 13, i felt like i was suffocating and always restless. The mouse in the cage pacing back adn forth.
So a freind ended up inviting me to a mediation reatreat. It was a zen
buddhist retreat, led by Zen Master Dae Gak. It was like 'amrita' or nectar for me. the medicine of my life. I developed a relationship w/ZMDG
as his student. For the first time in my life i felt i had a friend who could thorougly understand me.
Later on via a stable meditation practise i had a few this & thats of
spiritual tidbits of stuff. An intense time happened then. And it hasn't stopped at all. I met what seemed by chance the most intense teacher, a
tibetan Khenpo named Khenpo Gyurmed Trinely Rinpoche. Love at first site. if u have a Guru, you may know what i mean. not romantic. more like a
gratefulness that stems from a sincerity that you know that someone really cares. Compassion to the max.
i'm 30 now. the last 2 years have been the cosmic crash course on
hyperdrive. Realized i should have been doing more, now i'm playing catchup.
> AND so forth... I hope someone can fill in the missing data.
> It is hard to look this up in Steiner since he is very hard to read > having been translated from Austrian; I got this understanding through
> my daughter's teacher at Waldorf schools.
> > I would be interested in any one else'sreflections on the age 33.
Hey! something to look forward too. :)
i turn 33 in the yr 2000. this is getting wierd. :)
but hey! if it reduces the suffering in the realm, lets go for it. There
is so much. That's what is all about to me, this stuff. its not for me myself & i, its the culmination of the bodhisattva's vow. and its like,
that would be the way cool wonderful thing to keep.
Sincerely wish all beings a VERY GOOD DAY!
btw, imo, that Jesus guy sounds like a Buddha. Bodhisattva anyway. (smirk)
doctrine smoctrine. Generate Bodhicitta and compassion & like, no problem, man ok?
Bodhicitta just means the mind that wants to care and help its parent
sentient beings (thats like everyone & everything) sincerely.
ok enuf rambling. i'm in hyper. if u read this this far. way cool. if you read this this far and thingk 'she's from mars' hit the delete key.
homage to the guru, embodiment of the 3 precious jewels of the Buddha
Dharma & Sangha.
may all beings benefit. :)
Emaho! --janpa tsomo
Date: Sun, 7 Dec 1997 19:42:53 -0600 (CST) From: "Debora A. Orf"
To: Richard Wentk cc: kundalini-lATnospamexecpc.com, kundalini-lATnospamlists.execpc.com
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On Mon, 8 Dec 1997, Richard Wentk wrote:
> At 11:29 05/12/97 -0800, Jesa Macbeth wrote: >
> >More criteria: > > 1. Not fully enlightened: You are still on earth.
> > 2. Less enlightened: You are still on earth and don't know why. > > 3. Least enlightened: You are still on earth and think you do know
> why. >
> But - what's being on earth got to do with it?
EARTH! When did i get to be on Earth! that explains everything.!
--janpa Date: Sun, 7 Dec 1997 19:46:11 -0600 (CST)
From: "Debora A. Orf" To: kundalini-lATnospamlists.execpc.com
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sorry!
feel free to take a Zen Stick & whack me :)
not 2 hard ok.?
--debora a. orf --dorf01ATnospammail.win.org
"do not permit the events of your daily life to bind you, but never withdraw yourself from them"--Zen saying
Date: Sun, 7 Dec 1997 19:02:23 -0800 From: Jesa Macbeth
To: "Debora A. Orf" , kundalini-lATnospamlists.execpc.com Subject: Re: if im getting too Buddhist....
Message-Id:
At 07:46 PM 12/7/97 -0600, Debora A. Orf wrote:
>sorry! >
>feel free to take a Zen Stick & whack me :) >
>not 2 hard ok.?
I don't think there is any such thing as "too Buddhist" in that direction. And I speak as someone who isn't one.
Blessings!
_____ jesamacATnospampobox.com
http://www.pobox.com/~jesamac/ http://dharma-haven.org/oas/
_____ Date: Sun, 07 Dec 1997 18:44:16 +0100
From: Gloria Greco To: DonBBenson
CC: kundalini-lATnospamexecpc.com Subject: Re: Bondage by Karma or Freedom by Christ?
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DonBBenson wrote:orious freedom in Jesus Christ? >
> What do you think - those of you who believe in evolution, reincarnation, > karma, and astrology - about Empress Theodora? Must she work on herself for
> many lifetimes to lift herself above the primordial slime, violent impulses, > and sexual cravings of her evolutionary origins? Is the crucifixion, death,
> burial, and resurrection of Jesus Christ not sufficient to set her free from > death and torment, by the love of God through faith?
HI Don,
This discussion on reincarnation and the teachings of Christ look like from where your looking as in conflict. However, not everything is black
and white, and because of this it is sometime difficult to communicate without running into thoughts and beliefs.
Many people believed that Christ was Elijah returned did they not? So,
reincarnation was something that the people of that time were very much aware of, on the otherside of that, the teaching that Christ gave in
terms of entering his consciousness by letting go and faith was indeed powerful enough to lift those individuals from their previous states of
consciousness. An Avatar has the power to lift any human being out of their present situation, since they are the law... most do not tend to
do this because of the growth that comes from the natural process. So, even when one has experience of other life times, it still does not
mean that the teaching of Christ is not true. Gloria >
> Enter The Silence to Know God ... and... accept life as the teacher.
Gloria Joy Greco e-mail me at : lodpressATnospamintercomm.com and visit our homepages at:
http://users.intercomm.com/larryn/ &
http://www.freeyellow.com/members/zg888/ Hope you enjoy them!
Date: Sun, 07 Dec 1997 18:32:03 +0100 From: Gloria Greco
To: LarryN3515 , heartzenATnospamlistserv.servtech.com CC: kundalini-lATnospamexecpc.com
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Gloria Greco wrote:
> >
> Gloria here ... Book is called Zen Meditation Therapy:
I found a good description of what I experience as non thinking, and the altered state that goes with it. It is a combination of not thinking and
not non-thinking which the Zen masters call a combination of concentration and contemplation. They are not two distinct states but
rather an early and later stage of the same spiritual discipline. Between the two states is what is called the transition and association
stage.
Most people know the world concentration as mental concentration which can be conscious or unconscious. They say that most people have learned
to use about 20% of the mind from now and past experience. With unconscious concentration it can expand to maybe even 50%. The state
called Hishiryo or what in zen is called enlightenment, one doesn't concentrate the spirit in any one place,when it is in no place... it is
in all places.
I told some people at the meeting last week about an experience I had that week. There were some cars stopped on the left lane and the cars in
the right lane were proceeding through the light, I had noticed what was going on with a car stalled and some people helping this women off to
the left, but I was following the cars moving in the right lane, only I had not noticed that the car in front of me had stopped. My body reacted
and my foot literally went through the brake it felt like which brought me to a screeching stop, not until after I had made this reflex did I
notice that the car had stopped.
This is the same experience described in this book. A priest was playing chess with one student while another student was comming at him from the
behind with a lance, ( he was a master of martial arts) he had been deep in concentration playing chess, slappped a piece down and yelled,"No you
don't! and went on playing. His body reacted to the movment behind him from the superconsciousness state while the conscious mind went on
playing the came.
In the process of going in ever deeper into the meditative experience the conentration and contemplation integrate so that it creates an inner
space of knowing that leaves you aware of whatever is going on while the conscious mind moves on with what is doing, in this movement it doesn't
matter what the focus is, since the awareness of the whole/union continues on another level.
I like this explanation because it is quite profound and connects to the
experience.
Nice party Anita.
Gloria
> e-mail me at : lodpressATnospamintercomm.com and visit our homepages at: > http://users.intercomm.com/larryn/
> & > http://www.freeyellow.com/members/zg888/
> Hope you enjoy them!
--
Enter The Silence to Know God ... and... accept life as the teacher. Gloria Joy Greco
e-mail me at : lodpressATnospamintercomm.com and visit our homepages at: http://users.intercomm.com/larryn/
& http://www.freeyellow.com/members/zg888/
Hope you enjoy them! Date: Sun, 7 Dec 1997 20:16:55 -0800 (PST)
From: M To: tgxxxATnospamjuno.com (tg langston)
Cc: kundalini-lATnospamexecpc.com Subject: Re: Bondage by Karma or Freedom by Christ
Message-Id:
At 02:20 PM 12/7/97 -0500, tg langston wrote:
>You are doing good work for the Lord it is obvious. Most of us feel here >though, that we do not need to tell anyone of our 'good works' - we just
>do it. If I feel a need to remind you of something, it is because I >think you will forget. So let me reassure you, Don, that we won't forget
>you are a good person. We know you are already saved. No need to remind >us.
> >In Love of Christ, the resurrection and the light,
>xxxtg >
>"Genius or Idiot?" >You're a genius if you fly a kite during a thunderstorm, and discover
>that >lighting is electricity--but you're an idiot if you fly a kite during the
>thunderstorm, and discover that lighting can kill you.
tg
You are wonderful >and
To: kundalini-lATnospamexecpc.com Subject: Re: Hungry Kitty
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In a message dated 97-12-06 23:19:57 EST, you write:
< James wrote:
>So I suppose that pets being attracted to energy is common for this group? >>
Early on in my awakening and frequently questioning my sanity, and definitely
without the K list or anyone else to talk to, my two English Springer Spaniels reassured me thusly: when the energies were running wildly and certainly not
grounded in any manner I would hold one of my hands momentarily over either of their spines. They would yelp and flip around to look at me and with their
eyes accuse me of trying to hurt them. Because this caused them discomfort, I seldom did it. However, it did reassure me that my experiences were not just
"mental"! My cat, on the other hand, grooved on the flying electricity in my hands.
Love in the Spirit, Sylvia
Date: Mon, 08 Dec 1997 16:49:06 +1030 From: Susanne Macrae
To: Ruth Trimble CC: Kundalini-lATnospamexecpc.com
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Ruth Trimble wrote:
> I would be interested in any one else'sreflections on the age 33.
> Ruth >
When I was 11, I started High School, menstruation, got my first bra, my
first pair of glasses and bands on my teeth,noticed the first "strange" feelings in my head and mouth (precursor to my awakening) then
discovered that adults didn't know everything. At 22 I got pneumonia then hepatitis then discovered being married
didn't mean was husband HAD to be faithful. At 33 I spent most of the year crying. I lost my grandmother, I lost my
sense of identity, I lost my trust, my job and my old life. At 44 (now) I've learnt that the "getting" and "losing" is part of the
illusion. In some ways I have reconnected with the naivity of the child 33 years ago.
Love, sue
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