1997/12/06 11:28
kundalini-l-d Digest V97 #798
kundalini-l-d Digest Volume 97 : Issue 798
Today's Topics:
Re: Enlightenment [ Kurt Keutzer <keutzerATnospamsynopsys.com> ]
Re: The shakes [ Kurt Keutzer <keutzerATnospamsynopsys.com> ]
Re: Enlightenment [ Susanne Macrae <smacraeATnospamcamtech.net ]
Re: Internal Virus? [ Nancy <NancyATnospamwtp.net> ]
Krsna & banana skins [ Dieter Dambiec <d.dambiecATnospamstudent.c ]
chakras and Mahabharata-Krsna [ Dieter Dambiec <d.dambiecATnospamstudent.c ]
Krsna & banana skins [ TDVW36AATnospamprodigy.com ( THOMAS SMITH) ]
Re: About reincarnation [ DonBBenson <DonBBensonATnospamaol.com> ]
Re: Council of Constantinople and re [ "Sharon Webb" <shawebbATnospamyhc.edu> ]
Need Advice: Strange Stuff [ Teresa <TGarlandATnospamVIPMail.com> ]
Re: Council of Constantinople and re [ "Sharon Webb" <shawebbATnospamyhc.edu> ]
Re: chakras and Mahabharata-Krsna [ anandajyoti <anandajyotiATnospamgeocities. ]
Re: Need Advice: Strange Stuff [ Athena <starwindATnospamgte.net> ]
Date: Fri, 05 Dec 1997 20:47:46 -0800
From: Kurt Keutzer <keutzerATnospamsynopsys.com>
To: "Harsh K. Luthar" <hlutharATnospamresearch1.bryant.edu>
Cc: "Harsh K. Luthar" <hlutharATnospambryant.edu>, kundalini-lATnospamlists.execpc.com
Subject: Re: Enlightenment
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<snip>
>You may already know this but it should be clearly stated that the
>Amrita Nadi that Ramana Maharishi spoke of *does not* connect the
>Sahashara and the Psychic Heart Center of Kundalini Yoga. It is a much
>deeper and a more subtle connection between the Sahashara and the
>Spiritual Heart where the mind is absorbed in deep sleep and in Kevala
>Nirvikalpa Samadhi.
There are two hearts in the body of the kundalini yogins as well. They are
clearly discussed in many works on hatha and laya yoga. In my limited
experience when the kundalini penetrates the hridaya cakra a state of total
absorption, or the turiya of Shankaracarya, results.
On that point there is much confusion as only Kevala
>Nirvikalpa Samadhi reveals the Self and hence this knowledge. Having
>experienced the Kundalini Shakti and its manifestations in the Psychic
>Heart Center, in the Sahashara and the absorption of the Shakti in the
>Spiritual Heart, I can very plainly make those distinctions. These
>distinctions, however, can only be understood by adepts and advanced
>students.
I get cheers to continue on this kind of thing from some people and boos
from others - but as my motivation is pure I will continue. As I read your
statement it seems cyclical. You seem to be intent on stating that
kundalini cannot produce nirvikalpa samadhi. I could also interpret your
statement as simply stating that in your experience of kundalini you have
not experienced samadhi but in other approaches you have. I am not in the
state of nirvikalpa samadhi, but in my own glimpses of that state, and from
the teachings I have received, nirvikalpa samadhi comes about from
consistent exposure to samadhi followed by integration of that samadhi into
activity. So I suppose I would say that kundalini is a direct cause of
samadhi and an indirect cause to nirvikalpa samadhi. I'm very happy to hear
more of your perspective on this though. If you are confident in your
experience you will find me a very willing listener.
It might help if we have a common vocabulary. Are you familiar with
patanjali's yoga sutras?
Mangalam
Kurt
Date: Fri, 05 Dec 1997 21:07:38 -0800
From: Kurt Keutzer <keutzerATnospamsynopsys.com>
To: ori^ <oriATnospameskimo.com>
Cc: kundalini-lATnospamexecpc.com
Subject: Re: The shakes
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At 11:07 AM 12/4/97 -0800, ori^ wrote:
>Hi Kurt,
>Maybe you saw my post on the K list (and maybe you didn't...)
>but I was particularly interested in any perspectives which
>might be offered in the traditions you are familiar with.
>Thanks!
>ori^
>
Yes, I missed your initial post - I've been travelling most of the week. I
hope you don't mind me forwarding my response onto the rest of the group.
>
>Since I started practicing yoga during the summer, I've had
>increasing moments where parts of my body shake spontaneously
>as the energy begins to flow. So far it has mostly been during
>the practice of yoga or meditation.
>
>The last few weeks as I've been undergoing some kinda major
>shifting/transformation, the energy shakes have increased in
>frequency.
>
>Last night I had a massage, and this morning a chiropractic
>adjustment... and all day today, the shaking has been steadily
>with me, in spite of no meditating or yoga since yesterday morning.
>I often feel I walk around all day in a meditative state anyway...
>it is very easy for me to shift my focus and be into a deepened
>state of consciousness.
>
>I am able to still the shaking when I need to-- when I'm walking
>around at work for example, but as soon as I'm back in a quiet
>private place the shaking starts again. It has never been this
>steady before. It kind of took me by surprise.
>
>>From what I've read and heard, it seems that this can be part of
>the process. I know ultimately that I need to listen to my own body
>wisdom to allow the energy to find a way through. On the one hand it
>seems a sign of progress... that something is really moving.
>On the other hand, I'm not sure it is necessary.
There are many perspectives on movements or ``kriyas'' but the followers of
Siddha Mahayoga consider them an integral part of the path. Even the Kaula
Tantric literature of the Kularnava Tantra (1000 years old) mentions
trembling and shaking as a result of kundalini rising. Over time I've found
that even more control oriented approaches to kundalini take a more benign
view to kriyas than I originally thought.
>
>I'm wondering what some of the collective wisdom is regarding how
>best to work with this process. Also interested in the personal
>experiences of others...
>
>Thanks,
>ori^
I think Swami Shivom Tirth gave the best two-fold advice on this:
1) In public guard your kriyas like a secret (they are one)
2) in meditation do not resist kriyas in any way.
It *is* hard to trust the energy when your body is doing odd things but you
just have to find that confidence within yourself. There is great value in
having a teacher but the essence of the teacher is kundalini herself. If
you can deeply surrender to her - that is the greatest blessing.
Kind Regards
Kurt
Date: Sat, 06 Dec 1997 15:53:34 +1030
From: Susanne Macrae <smacraeATnospamcamtech.net.au>
To: Kurt Keutzer <keutzerATnospamsynopsys.com>
CC: Kundalini-lATnospamexecpc.com
Subject: Re: Enlightenment
Message-ID: <3488E156.435FATnospamcamtech.net.au>
Kurt Keutzer wrote:
>
> There are two hearts in the body of the kundalini yogins as well. They are
> clearly discussed in many works on hatha and laya yoga.
Kurt, can you recommend a reference regarding the two hearts for me. My
partner Neil has awakened Kundalini and he has often talked about having
two hearts. He says he can feel them both. My library has only one book
on hatha yoga and none on laya yoga and I haven't ever seen reference to
this.
Love sue
Date: Sat, 06 Dec 1997 04:23:59 +0000
From: Nancy <NancyATnospamwtp.net>
To: kundalini-lATnospamlists.execpc.com
Subject: Re: Internal Virus?
Message-ID: <3488D35E.27A0ATnospamwtp.net>
Ruth Trimble wrote:
> PS please do not send me one of your harrassing replies either.. I am not
> interested in playing debate games with you. I suspect you are a virus to
> our list from some group that thinks we need to be reformed.
Dear Ruth and other list members,
I love reading the k-list because of the diversity presented. I
sometimes learn more from those posts which raise my ire than from those
which complement my line of thinking.
I think referring to someone a "virus" can intimidate open
communication. This does not encourage that very spark which makes the
k-list work.
Nancy
Date: Sat, 6 Dec 1997 19:25:29 +1100
From: Dieter Dambiec <d.dambiecATnospamstudent.canberra.edu.au>
To: kundalini-lATnospamlists.execpc.com
Cc: "'kundalini-lATnospamexecpc.com'" <kundalini-lATnospamexecpc.com>
Subject: Krsna & banana skins
Message-ID: <01BD0296.A7497100.d.dambiecATnospamstudent.canberra.edu>
There is a story in the Maha'bha'rata:
Both Yudhisthira and Duryodhana had invited Lord Krs'n'a to their respective
houses for dinner. While on his way to those persons, Shrii Krs'n'a entered the
house of Vidura. At that time, the great sage Vidura was not at his house.
Vidurajii's wife was of very limited means. Vidurajii's wife became nervous on
the sudden appearance of Shrii Krs'n'a. She did not know how to accord proper
reception to Lord Krs'n'a. There was nothing in the house except bananas.
Therefore, after washing His feet, she seated the Lord and began to skin
bananas and feed Him. In the 33 meantime she also inquired of His welfare.
Meanwhile, the great sage Vidura returned home. He saw Lord Krs'n'a sitting and
his wife, fully absorbed in feelings, feeding him the skins of the bananas
instead of the bananas. The Lord also was eating so happily that it seemed as
if he had not tasted a more delicious food ever before. Vidurajii was greatly
pained to notice the folly of his wife. Addressing his wife, he said, "What do
you do? You are feeding banana skins to Lord instead of bananas. Vidurajii's
wife was taken aback and started apologizing for her faults. Vidura also
implored, `O Lord, thou hast taken a good many banana-skins, do kindly oblige
this poor man by taking a few bananas. But the Lord said, "Vidura! my stomach
now is full. These banana skins had such an exquisite flavor that all edible
superior to this would be hardly available. So long as your wife, forgetting
all differences was feeding me, `I'* was there, but now that the difference
between the banana and its skin has intervened `I'* is not there". This is a
small story but is very instructive. There are no differentiations before God.
*God
Date: Sat, 6 Dec 1997 20:04:43 +1100
From: Dieter Dambiec <d.dambiecATnospamstudent.canberra.edu.au>
To: kundalini-lATnospamlists.execpc.com
Cc: "'kundalini-lATnospamexecpc.com'" <kundalini-lATnospamexecpc.com>
Subject: chakras and Mahabharata-Krsna
Message-ID: <01BD0296.A90578E0.d.dambiecATnospamstudent.canberra.edu>
The Inner Significance of the Mahabharata has much to do with the propensities
of the human mind.
There are six main directions -- east, north, west, south, up and down. There
are also four corner directions -- north west, south west, south east and north
east. So four plus six makes ten. Now, mind is blind. With the help of
conscience, it is able to see and visualise. So the mind is Dhirtaras'tra (who
was blind), and its forces, that is, the ten agents, the ten organs (five
sensory and 5 motor organs), can work in ten directions simultaneously. So the
mind has 10 x 10 or 100 external expressions. Or in other words, Dhirtaras'tra
has one hundred sons. As was the case in the Mahabharata.
What about the 5 Pandavas (brothers)? They are the five factors in the human
structure. Sahadeva is the solid factor represented by the Mu'la'dha'r Cakra
(1st chakra) capable of answering everything. Next is Nakula at Svadhistan
Cakra (2nd). Nakula means "water", which flows having no boundaries - the
liquid factor. Next is Arjuna, the representation of energy or force, luminous
at the Manipur Cakra (3rd)- always fighting to maintain balance. Then Bheema,
the son of Pavana or Vayu, the aerial factor, at the Ana'ha't Cakra (4th).
Finally, the position of Yudhisthira is at the Vishuddha Cakra (5th) where
matter ends and the other world starts. So in the fight between materialists
and spiritualists, in the struggle between matter and the sublime, Yudhisthira
remains undisturbed, unperturbed. One who remains steady in battle is called
"Yudhisthira".
A'jina' cakra (6th chakra) is of 2 propensities (apara - secular knowledge and
para - spiritual knowledge) [see previous post regarding propensities of the
other 5 chakras]. Krs'na is above the Sahasrara Cakra (7th located at the
crown of the head).
Now unit consciousness, at the level of the Kundalini, rises and reaches to the
shelter of Krs'na with the help of the Pandavas. The Pandavas are salvaging the
unit consciousness and bringing it to the shelter of Krs'na.
Sanjaya is the minister of Dhirtaras'tra. Sanjaya is conscience (viveka).
Dhirtaras'tra is asking Sanjaya, because he cannot see by himself, "Oh,
Sanjaya, tell me, in the battle of Kuruksetra and Dharmaksetra, what did my
party do? How did they fare?"
The hundred sons of Dhirtaras'tra, the blind mind, are trying to control the
unit consciousness which is being salvaged by the Pandavas through a constant
fight. Finally, being triumphant, they bring the unit consciousness to the
shelter of Krs'na. This is the inner significance of the Mahabharata.
Kuruksetra is the world of action, the external world, which is asking you to
work and work. Work is the order.
Dharmaksetra is the internal psychic world. Here the Pandavas dominate. Now,
suppose a sub-gland just below the Manipur Cakra is activated which makes a
spiritual aspirant free of shyness. [At a later stage the shyness is increased
by pressing the same point in a different manner.] When one is free of shyness,
one can do any activity without any hindrance and move anywhere without any
psychic complex. When one is overcome with shyness one's face becomes red, a
physical change, and one will not be able to perform so many actions, even
though the mind wants to act. So the human structure is controlled by the
glands and sub-glands, thus it is a biological machine. Under secretion and
over secretion of the same gland will bring this machine under different types
of impulses and defects. One must acquire high proficiency through meditation
and learn practically how to control this biological machine through the
control of the glands and sub- glands.
This is the sciece of bio-psychology. Human beings are guided or goaded by a
common psychology. There may be some exceptions due to certain biological
anomalies, that is biological exceptions must be there, but otherwise all
humans are guided by a common human psychology... all are of the same or
similar biological structure. So they have to be guided by the same psychic
rules, they have to follow the same psychic characteristics, the same wonts,
and the same psychic merits and demerits.
What is goading? There are three terms -- direct guidance, guiding and goading?
Direct guidance is without any application of force. You want someone to go
with you and they go. Guiding means making some effort to bring someone along
the path of your choice. Goading means compelling someone to move and act
according to your desire. That is, it means to push or to move by the
application of force.
Suppose an old man and a young man are arguing, and the young one says
tauntingly to the old one, "You are a number one fool. You have no wits. You're
a worth less, useless chap!" The old man replies, "What! What did you say? Is
it so? Is it so? Have you no manners? Are you now out to teach me manners?" The
young one responds, "Yes, yes, sure!" This is an example of common human psy
chology, of natural human reaction.
Now, suppose certain sub-glands in the elder man's chest around the Ana'ha't
Cakra are activated. Then, instead of arguing, his response will become softer,
though serious and grave. He will become calmer and not so irritated. In this
case, in the attaching nerve cells and nerve fibers, certain changes were
brought about in the glands and sub-glands of the chest portion of the body.
Thus by properly activating the controlling point of human sentiment, the
response changed.
That is learnt by bio-psychology and proper meditation practices.
(edited from a discourse by Anandamurtiji)
Date: Sat, 6 Dec 1997 07:07:39, -0500
From: TDVW36AATnospamprodigy.com ( THOMAS SMITH)
To: kundalini-lATnospamexecpc.com
Subject: Krsna & banana skins
Message-Id: <199712061207.HAA14118ATnospammime4.prodigy.com>
referring to:
"In the 33 meantime she also inquired of His welfare. "
--------------------------------------------------------
Please enlighten me/us..........
What does "33" refer to? The number 33 spiritually,
what does it represent?
in Light................<s>
Tom
Date: Sat, 6 Dec 1997 10:10:04 EST
From: DonBBenson <DonBBensonATnospamaol.com>
To: mistressATnospamdomin8rex.com, rgvgATnospamhotmail.com
Cc: kundalini-lATnospamexecpc.com, reasonsATnospamreasons.org
Subject: Re: About reincarnation
Message-ID: <9cb911a5.34896ad4ATnospamaol.com>
In a message dated 97-12-06 00:18:37 EST, mistressATnospamdomin8rex.com writes:
<< The resolution of this K.-flare, gave me an astonishing insight, almost a
reversal:
Time and space do not really exist beyond our perceptions: so there really
is no
"past" or "future", on a soul level, no "here" or "there", "then" or
"later"... infinity is in the Now >>
Dear Ms. Serpent:
Recent developments in theoretical physics and mathematical string theory
confirm your perception. For most of this century, scientists have been
struggling with apparent contradictions between General Relativity Theory and
Quantum Mechanics. A few years ago, they discovered that in TEN DIMENSIONS it
all fits together and works perfectly -- three dimensions of time and seven
dimensions of space. It turns out that God created the heavens and the earth
in ten dimensions, but at present the other six dimensions are "collapsed" so
we walk around in just four dimensions - three dimensions of space (height,
width, and depth) and one dimension of time (linear, historical time). But in
three dimensions of time - which we can experience in heightened K
consciousness - the entire 10-20 billion years of astrophysical history and
the entire 6171 years of human history since Adam and Eve can be seen Right
Now.
This is all explained in Chapter Three of BEYOND THE COSMOS: The Extra-
Dimensionality of God: What Recent Discoveries in Astronomy and Physics Reveal
About the Nature of God by Hugh Ross, Ph.D. (Navpress, 1996) Also, Hugh Ross
has a gorgeous, award winning website which I recommend to everyone's
attention:
<<http://www.reasons.org>>.
Love and peace, Don
Date: Sat, 6 Dec 1997 10:16:35 -0500
From: "Sharon Webb" <shawebbATnospamyhc.edu>
To: <kundalini-lATnospamexecpc.com>
Subject: Re: Council of Constantinople and reincarnation
Message-Id: <199712061526.KAA00454ATnospamhoboken>
Don,
I wrote to Mike:
> << From The Anathemas Against Origen (5th Ecumenical Council of
> Constantinople, 553 AD.)
>
> "If anyone asserts the fabulous pre-existence of souls, and shall assert
> the monstrous restoration which follows from it: let him be anathema."
And you wrote to me:
You have provided
> evidence of their mighty struggles to distinguish truth from error. But
where
> is your evidence that God ever taught or approved the teaching of
> reincarnation?
I'm afraid you missed the point of my post. Mike asked if I could provide
a reference to reincarnation from the 5th Ecumenical Council of
Constantinople. I did.
The point of the letter was to show that reincarnation was an accepted
belief in the Christian millieu until 553 years after the death of Jesus.
You also wrote:
> It was no easy task for the early church councils (1) to make clear
> distinctions between (a) what is true according to the word of God and
(b)
> what is false and (2) to build the church on truth.
I read quite a bit of the text of the 2nd Ecumenical Council and found
little of the "word of God," but quite a bit of the word of the Emperor
Justinian I.
I also found this reference:
- ------------------------------
In AD 548, Empress Theodora had about 500 former acquaintances executed to
hide the embarrassing fact that she had been a very prominent and brazen
prostitute. In denial over having to face karma for her actions, she
pressed on Emperor Justinian to demand of the church that it ban the
doctrine of reincarnation, which at that time was very popular.
- ------------------------------
And this page called Scriptural Support For Reincarnation:
http://www.iloveusa.com/Secrets/origen3.html
BTW, this reference is of interest. Comments in brackets are mine:
- ------------------------------
It [the council] was presided over by the incumbent patriarch of
Constantinople, Eutychius, with the presence of 165 bishops. Pope Vigilius
[the titular head of the church] had been summoned by the Emperor, but he
opposed the council and took refuge in a church in Constantinople. He was
not present at the deliberations, nor was he represented.
- ------------------------------
Don, you can make anything you want of these references. And so can I. I
have no interest in entering into further exchanges about this.
I have no interest in what you believe, nor do I have any desire to change
it. In my opinion, proselytising does not belong on this list, if indeed
it belongs anywhere at all. We each have our own paths, and yours
(although you would undoubtedly deny this) is no more sacred than anyone
else's.
Love, really....
Sharon
shawebbATnospamyhc.edu
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> >>
>
> I think we can all agree that the doctrine of reincarnation has been
around a
> long time. When Adam and Eve died after the serpent said to the woman,
"You
> will not surely die." you don't suppose the serpent repented and stopped
> lying, do you? Doesn't the record show that he kept right on lying to
cover
> up his original lie? The doctrine of reincarnation is a pack of lies
designed
> to muddy the waters and obscure the facts regarding life and death;
> resurrection and judgment; heaven and hell.
>
Date: Sat, 06 Dec 1997 10:20:33 -0500
From: Teresa <TGarlandATnospamVIPMail.com>
To: K List <kundalini-lATnospamexecpc.com>
Subject: Need Advice: Strange Stuff
Message-ID: <34896D40.35CCCA88ATnospamVIPMail.com>
Dear K List,
I need some advice. I've been having strange dreams, and strange
images during meditation. They go to the dark side, which I have worked
with (successfully) in the past, but this is beyond my experience.
1) Dream: There are 3 people nearby, one ("person 3") is someone I
trust. "Person 1" tries to slit my throat, I run, "Person 2" grabs me
and tries to slip a rope around my neck, I run to my trusted friend. He
holds me, and then proceeds to choke me. I wake up before I die. My
thoughts as I am dying "there is no escape from death". (My own
comment: How Buddhist!)
2) Meditation: As I was sitting quiety, I beheld an image of hands on
my head. First they caressed my head, then they came down to my neck
and began to choke me.
Question: Clearly, something deep and dark is trying to come out. How
do I work with these dreams & images of self death?
3) Later, these same hands, started groping my body. I felt like I was
being spiritually molested, so I made my mind strong, and they went
away.
Question: Heavens, what was that? Do I need to protect myself from
things out there? (It was very frightening).
4) During that same meditation, I looked at my hands, and they were not
mine (they belonged to a man). I was able to see a little outline of my
own hands. I tried to look at my face, but the features were jumbled.
Question: Should I be concerned about this?
About me: I am experiencing lots of K activity including extremely
energetic kriyas, and mostly doing okay with it. I am working from the
heart (although my navel opened up some time ago). My chakras take
turns opening and closing, but my heart is currently the most open. One
month ago, I separated from my husband (my choice). This week, my old
cat died.
I really appreciate comments.
Teresa
Date: Sat, 6 Dec 1997 11:07:31 -0500
From: "Sharon Webb" <shawebbATnospamyhc.edu>
To: <kundalini-lATnospamexecpc.com>
Subject: Re: Council of Constantinople and reincarnation---errata
Message-Id: <199712061617.LAA01166ATnospamhoboken>
Don,
I should have taken the time to proof read my letter to this list. It
contained three typos/errors. Here it is again corrected:
I wrote to Mike:
> << From The Anathemas Against Origen (5th Ecumenical Council of
> Constantinople, 553 AD.)
>
> "If anyone asserts the fabulous pre-existence of souls, and shall assert
> the monstrous restoration which follows from it: let him be anathema."
And you wrote to me:
You have provided
> evidence of their mighty struggles to distinguish truth from error. But
where
> is your evidence that God ever taught or approved the teaching of
> reincarnation?
I'm afraid you missed the point of my post. Mike asked if I could provide
a reference to reincarnation from the 5th Ecumenical Council of
Constantinople. I did.
The point of the letter was to show that reincarnation was an accepted
belief in the Christian millieu until 553 years after the birth of Jesus.
You also wrote:
> It was no easy task for the early church councils (1) to make clear
> distinctions between (a) what is true according to the word of God and
(b)
> what is false and (2) to build the church on truth.
I read quite a bit of the text of the 5th Ecumenical Council and found
little of the "word of God," but quite a bit of the word of the Emperor
Justinian I.
I also found this reference:
- ------------------------------
In AD 548, Empress Theodora had about 500 former acquaintances executed to
hide the embarrassing fact that she had been a very prominent and brazen
prostitute. In denial over having to face karma for her actions, she
pressed on Emperor Justinian to demand of the church that it ban the
doctrine of reincarnation, which at that time was very popular.
- ------------------------------
And this page called Scriptural Support For Reincarnation:
http://www.iloveusa.com/Secrets/origen3.html
BTW, this reference is of interest. Comments in brackets are mine:
- ------------------------------
It [the council] was presided over by the incumbent patriarch of
Constantinople, Eutychius, with the presence of 165 bishops. Pope Vigilius
[the titular head of the church] had been summoned by the Emperor, but he
opposed the council and took refuge in a church in Constantinople. He was
not present at the deliberations, nor was he represented.
- ------------------------------
Don, you can make anything you want of these references. And so can I. I
have no interest in entering into further exchanges about this.
I have no interest in what you believe, nor do I have any desire to change
it. In my opinion, proselytising does not belong on this list, if indeed
it belongs anywhere at all. We each have our own path, and yours
(although you would undoubtedly deny this) is no more sacred than anyone
else's.
Love, really....
Sharon
shawebbATnospamyhc.edu
A new fractal gallery was posted to this site on November 29th, '97:
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Date: Sat, 06 Dec 1997 08:53:14 -0800
From: anandajyoti <anandajyotiATnospamgeocities.com>
To: kundalini-lATnospamlists.execpc.com
CC: "d.dambiecATnospamstudent.canberra.edu" <d.dambiecATnospamstudent.canberra.edu.au>
Subject: Re: chakras and Mahabharata-Krsna
Message-ID: <348982F6.61DEATnospamgeocities.com>
Dieter Dambiec wrote:
>
> The Inner Significance of the Mahabharata has much to do with the propensities
> of the human mind.
>
HI ! Dieter!
I am indeed happy that you researched this info and brought it to the
list.
Paramahamsa Yogananda, has written on the Bhgavad Gita on similar lines.
Yogananda's Commentary on the Gita was published by SRF just last year.
Have you seen it? Yogananda had written before he breathed his last. Yet
SRF took around forty years to complie the two volume commentary to
publish yogananda's ideas.
Excellent sharing, Dieter.
Anandajyoti
http://www.geocities.com/Athens/Forum/6782
Date: Sat, 06 Dec 1997 11:15:05 -0600
From: Athena <starwindATnospamgte.net>
To: Teresa <TGarlandATnospamVIPMail.com>
CC: kundalini-lATnospamlists.execpc.com
Subject: Re: Need Advice: Strange Stuff
Message-ID: <34898819.1793ATnospamgte.net>
Teresa wrote:
>
> Dear K List,
> I need some advice. I've been having strange dreams, and strange
> images during meditation. They go to the dark side, which I have worked
> with (successfully) in the past, but this is beyond my experience.
I have also had this experience Theresa, both in dreams and
meditations... for me it was a *bad* past life recall, involving three
current friends.....
I am working with an energyworker, who is helping me remove lifetimes of
accumalated garbage, which manifest as *darkness* in my auric field ...
She has been most sucessfuland I am feeling my *own* energies a lot
stronger, instead of the vauge dark feelings in my being, which have
manifested as jeaulousies, angers, hurt feelings towards others...
I am beginning to feel *lighter* ... and two of the people involved in
that past life recall have dropped from my circle of current
friends...lessons completed... karma balanced ...on to bigger and better
things...
My K activities are rising ... stopping at each chakra... and
manifesting externally, in my life...drawing people and events that show
me a particular lesson... mirroring to me unfinished business...
To *me* this is the spiritual path of kundilini.. but then thats *my*
perception ... and I have been know to be wrong a few times in my life
*grin*
I wish you Peace and Laughter
Athena
>
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Love and Light unto your Path...THERE IS ONLY ONE OF US...Athena
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