1997/12/05 22:04
kundalini-l-d Digest V97 #797
kundalini-l-d Digest Volume 97 : Issue 797
Today's Topics:
Re: About reincarnation [ Mystress Angelique Serpent <mistres ]
Reiki and K [ TDVW36AATnospamprodigy.com ( THOMAS SMITH) ]
Internet Message [ TDVW36AATnospamprodigy.com ( THOMAS SMITH) ]
Re: HRTZEN: out of my dark period [ Gloria Greco <lodpressATnospamintercomm.co ]
Re: Realization [ Gloria Greco <lodpressATnospamintercomm.co ]
Re: Spiritual Physics [ DonBBenson <DonBBensonATnospamaol.com> ]
?? PRIVATE USA MAILDROP ?? [ Alternative Products <alternativesATnospam ]
Re: sharedkundalini [ Gloria Greco <lodpressATnospamintercomm.co ]
Re: Non-Enlightenment [ Susanne Macrae <smacraeATnospamcamtech.net ]
Re: About reincarnation [ Susanne Macrae <smacraeATnospamcamtech.net ]
Re: Kundalini Flu [ DonBBenson <DonBBensonATnospamaol.com> ]
soul mates and Karma [ jaxx <jaxxATnospamihug.co.nz> ]
Re: Enlightenment [ Susanne Macrae <smacraeATnospamcamtech.net ]
Re: Council of Constantinople and re [ DonBBenson <DonBBensonATnospamaol.com> ]
Date: Fri, 05 Dec 1997 15:31:01
From: Mystress Angelique Serpent <mistressATnospamdomin8rex.com>
To: "Roberto Gonzales del Valle" <rgvgATnospamhotmail.com>
Cc: kundalini-lATnospamexecpc.com
Subject: Re: About reincarnation
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Some thoughts..
I have always believed in reincarnation, coz I have always been getting
past life memories. Last august, I went thru a massive K. flare that some
may remember from the "oldest Serpent" posts.. :) At that time, I was
getting cascading thousands of past life memory impressions, all at once...
impressions on impressions, and too many to comprehend each individually.
The more I meditated on the ancient wisdom of the Serpent energy inside me,
the greater impression of "soul age" I got.. back thru time, unfolding into
infinity.. I just kept getting "bigger", wiser, older.. it felt wonderful!
Amazing.
The resolution of this K.-flare, gave me an astonishing insight, almost a
reversal:
Time and space do not really exist beyond our perceptions: so there really
is no
"past" or "future", on a soul level, no "here" or "there", "then" or
"later"... infinity is in the Now. So there can therefore be no
"evolution", only timeless perfection... and in the power of the present,
infinite moment, we create past lives, as we need them.
There is only One of Us.
So if there are 500 people claiming to be Napoleon in a past life, it is
becasue 500 people have looked into the limitless infinity of All that Is
inside themselves, and connected with the "Archetypal Napoleon" there, for
their own needs of the moment.
A shaman friend of mine is a Multiple personality.. he thinks I am too..
he thinks all channelers are. He posed to me the idea that perhaps what we
percieve as older or newer souls, according to whether we have memories of
other incarnations or not, is actually not a "soul age" difference, but
rather the result whether we choose to be aware and have memories of
alternate aspects of our multidimensional selves, or not.
There is only One of Us, and We are all the same age...infinite and
timeless... yet choosing to manifest in an infinite variety of experience.
The difference is not older or younger, but whether we are choosing, in
the moment, to open up and make connections with other aspects of the
limitless One Self.
Goddess lets us be whoever we want to be: I had been meditating on my
K.inspired name, Angelique Serpent, Mystress, seeker and knower of
Mysteries.. the lightbeing wrapped round the tree of Life in the primordial
Garden, in total service to Goddess..
In response to the I Am statement of my adopted name, which has been
advertised with my picture, worldwide, for several years now, spreading
thru the collective unconscious gathering energy.. I began to get
experiences of the ancient wisdom of that energy. The I Am statement
becoming the truth of my experience.
Thankyou Goddess, it is/was/and continues to be amazing.
Here is another example: I have a talent with Heart chakra openings.
(thankyou Goddess) I open them up in others, and teach them to listen to
the "still small voice".
I was working with a woman, who had had something resembling a steel ball
around her heart chakra.. oy.. but we broke thru it with the assistance of
St. Germain.. and were asking It questions.. practice for her, in listening
to It clearly.
She had spontaneously been getting intuitive information in the weeks
previous, about Sekhmet of ancient Egypt. That there were 6 Sekhmets.. I
smiled at this, because several people have told me over the years, that I
was the mortal embodiment of Sekhmet in ancient Egypt... tee hee
I instructed her to ask her heart chakra if I was a Sekhmet.. she looked
at me funny, but asked, and it said "Yes". She looked at me with new
respect.. and than I told her to ask It if she was also a Sekhmet. It said
she was "in the process of becoming.."
My own inner voice said this meant that she was in the process of making
connections to her inner healing wisdom, the archtypal Sekhmet within.
Sekhmet means "healer".
Blessings, Mystress.
At 08:19 05/12/97 PST, Roberto Gonzales del Valle wrote:
>
>Hi:
<....> I go for the energy
>encarnating in us, and i think we are only vehicles for that energy
>which has a larger plan for us, larger and prettier than we will ever
>imagine.
>
>My best wishes for you. Please, respond.
>
>Roberto.
>Lima-Perú.
>
Mystress Angelique Serpent,
Dominant Experiential Facilitator.
Website= http://www.domin8rex.com/serpent
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Common sense and a sense of humor are the same thing, moving at
different speeds. A sense of humor is just common sense, dancing.
-- Clive James
^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^
Vancouver, B.C., Canada. Officially the most beautiful city in the world.
Date: Fri, 5 Dec 1997 22:38:35, -0500
From: TDVW36AATnospamprodigy.com ( THOMAS SMITH)
To: kundalini-lATnospamexecpc.com, nandamATnospamcs.man.ac.uk
Subject: Reiki and K
Message-Id: <199712060338.WAA17686ATnospammime4.prodigy.com>
replying to:
Hello Tom
I am someone from the K-list
My name is Manoj Nanda and I am a student at Manchester University
i saw your post regarding reiki being able to help with blockage
I have reiki to level 2 and would be interested in any Reiki
techniques
you used to help yourself with Kundalini.
esp blockages and general rising.
luv manoj.
====================================
Namaste' Manoj........
Being a Reiki levek two practitioner your chakras were
open during first level attunements...
The Second Degree attunement process provides a
quantum leap in vibratory level, at least four times
greater than First Degree.
The three symbols which are taught in Second Degree,
to be used for sending absentee healing, also become
activated at this point.
Second Degree has great emphasis on adjusting the
etheric body, rather than the physical body, which is
the primary focus of First Degree.
In addition, the third eye or sixth chakra is greatly
affected, which often heightens the intuitive abilities
of the student.
Soon after the Second Degree attunements, and
especially during the 21 day cleanse process, people
often feel a considerable amount of energy in their root chakras,
because their survival and sexual centers become very stimulated,
which amplifies what Hindus call Kundalini energy.
To open the chakras during self-healing or healing of another you
may simply scan the chakras beginning at the root. Feeling for
blockages..... using the power symbol....Choku-Rei you may remove
the blockage by simply drawing the symbol in reverse...pulling the
blocked energy out and releasing it.....then draw a normal power
symbol placing positive energy at the chakra allow life force energy
into the chakra.... work with each chakra one by one.....then
balance
all chakras placing your left hand at the crown and the right hand at
the root at the same time...
then the third-eye and sexual center
then throat and solar plexus
then placing both hands at the heart
This balances the entire chakras system......
This one of many ways.....another which balances all chakras,
front and back...is the physical attunement..speak with your
Reiki Master concerning this.........
Another is through meditation....beginning at the root...visualize
a red color at the root...I use a beautiful red apple....then
visualize
the chakras turning from inside out in a counter-clock wise motion..
Each chakra has its own color.......
Hope this helps you! :>
Love in Light......
Tom
Eastchester, NY
Reiki Master/Teacher
Date: Fri, 5 Dec 1997 23:08:54, -0500
From: TDVW36AATnospamprodigy.com ( THOMAS SMITH)
To: kundalini-lATnospamexecpc.com
Subject: Internet Message
Message-Id: <199712060408.XAB20442ATnospammime4.prodigy.com>
ahhhhhhhh
stated:
When we touch a silk cloth, we feel its softness, when we touch a
piece
of rock, we feel it hardness or coarse/smoothness.
=============
Next time hold a rock or better yet sit on a rock......at first you
will
feel its coolness....it is hard to sit on, right? ahhhhh but sit and
quiet the mind.......get in touch with the rock......become one with
the rock.....then and only then will you truly feel the rock.
Than, you will realized that a rock is alive also......as is the
Mother
Earth.... <s> and so are your true feelings....but you must quiet
the
mind and listen first........
Namaste'
Tom
Date: Fri, 05 Dec 1997 19:48:11 +0100
From: Gloria Greco <lodpressATnospamintercomm.com>
To: VBrisson <VBrissonATnospamaol.com>
CC: heartzenATnospamlistserv.servtech.com, kundalini-lATnospamexecpc.com
Subject: Re: HRTZEN: out of my dark period
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VBrisson wrote:
>
> Hi to all on the list.
>
> I've been silent for the past few weeks because I started having nightmares
> instead of dreams. I've let myself out of focus and was "attacked" by negative
> entities. But with the help of a psychic friend and by focusing of my heart
> center again, I know I'm getting out of it. I'm working hard on it.
Hi Vivian:
Gloria here:
Glad you were able to open up and share. You will see that what you
share isn't uncommon at all.
>Vivian:
> I reached a point where a surge of very hot and strong energies came up my
> spine and it woke me up. It was like the vibrations in my feet sent some
> electricity to my coccyx and it amplified and went up to the heart. It was
> painful at that point and it came back down. Amazingly I went back to sleep,
> to be awaken again and again and again, all through the night. Each time the
> energies went higher, until it reached the head and there it was painful. And
> I mean painful. I didn't reach that bliss I reached in other experiences
> before. Usually in my every day life I have some mild energies going up my
> spine to the top of my head and coming back down to my neck and sometimes the
> heart. But this time it was so powerful it was like somebody was ripping my
> spine out of my body. It happened again 2 nights after that. I didn't feel
> this one as being positive, and that's why it makes me think that the kind of
> vibrations I had in my right ear and both my feet were not "positive", like
> they were from lower frequencies. Usually I have this high level uniform buzz.
> This time it was some cross between morse code and a radio poorly tuned
> between stations. No particular rythm. I could be wrong on this one.
Gloria:
Very observant. Let me tell you what I've learned in this process over
many years. When kundalini is working not only in elimination of lower
energies in the bodies, physicial, mental, emotional and spiritual, a
lot of things can manifest. One of these is a certain place in the back
of the brain, way down the stem... anyway when this area is stimulated
it opens you up to some major dark force energies. Now, this is
important, it is there so that you will learn about the inner workings
of the brain...I know exactly where it is in the brain... the
frequencies it correspondes to, here and also the etheric planes.
And, more important, part of knowing thyself...is to assume the power
to directly confront this energy manifestation. So, how do you learn
this? You experience it face to face. When God wants you to remember
yourself, many avenues are used to bring the realization through. This
is just one powerful tool.
We have to recognize that dimensionally there are forces that range
the gamet like any frequency swing, from highest of high pure crystal
clear pure light, to that of dark, distorted energies of obscurred
light. All is energy...but different frequencies. This won't happen if
you weren't ready for it.
Vivian:
I'm still
> a newbie. Those episodes included nightmares in between each energy flow. One
> nightmare that stands out : this guy looks evil and he reaches people over the
> internet to spread his negative energies under false pretenses. The day after,
> I received complaints from aol for using foul language in several chat rooms.
> I need not tell you this was the act of hackers getting my password and using
> my account for several hours before I even knew what a trojan was.
Gloria:
And, you were given the vision to know exactly what was coming down,
isn't that wonderful?
>Vivian:
> This is the dream that prompted me to seek outside help:
>
> I'm in this bus with people and we're going somewhere and I understand I'm
> like those tourists guides. I get off the bus and suddenly this bus is in my
> hand, a toy bus this time.
Gloria:
This is showing you that in self realization there is power, you go
from being on the bus to holding the busin in your hand, it also shows
that you can recreate it as you go.
Vivian:
I see this hedge with an opening and I enter. I see
> a snake on the ground and am scared. So as I turn around to get out, I see
> another snake.
Gloria: The snake of course is kundalini. And, you are afriad of it, you
want to get away from it. This, by the way leaves you vulnerable, and
opens you up to attack. Not that anything bad is going to happen, it is
just a lesson coming into your conscious mind. You must now deal with
the fear.
Vivian:
I decide to get out, but I feel something clinging to my back,
> I feel it on a spot about a little higher than the heart. When I get out, I
> see this BIG alligator coming toward me. I just can't run, my legs are so
> heavy. I turn my head around and reach for my back to see if there is anything
> there and I see its head and as I want to grab it, I fear it's going to bite
> me and then I woke up. In between dreams that night, the blue and red I see
> usually when I meditate or relax became electric blue and red, like neon
> signs.
Gloria:
That red is coming from the fear and the lower centers...YOu can see
what specific center is getting blasted by the colors entering your
consciousness. Now, look at this, your higher self is trying to feed
your conscious mind information, how can it do this? It is teaching you
about areas in the brain that correspond with areas in the subtle body,
isn't it wonderful that you can experience this directly so that you can
trace it down to exactly where it registers?
Your higher self shows it to you in symbology, color, & sound. This is
all the Holy Spirit...but, you say, why this dark force? You learn how
to work in the light from the dark, so instead of having fear, learn to
observe, understanding that all things work to teach. You can bring
yourself to the point of looking at the most grotesque things and not
even as much as a flinch. Believe me, in this space nothing comes at you
that doesn't dissolve in its tracks. It is all how you process the
illusion, all is illusion, maya. Look at it from your heart, God is
holding you up even if you don't know it at the moment, but I guarantee
you it is being done. And, these dreams will stay with you for a very
long time because they are consciousness dreams. Usually when people
hear me talk about consciousness dreams they assume it is all light and
roses, not...it is very often the opposite. But it is in this capacity
that God exposes what is real and what is nothing but thought forms,
elementals, and just lower frequencies in memories left behind from
karma. The east calls them impressions. You have them registered in the
body, emotions, mental, etc.
Does this make sense to you?
> Vivian:
> Sorry for this long post, friends. I wish for a nice dream tonight. These last
> few nights they were generic, like I needed time to recuperate from my
> experience. They're like watching a movie of the week. My higher self is so
> understanding it gives me short vacations! Love to all of you. Viviane.
Gloria:
Nay thou I walk through the valley of death...think about this. How do
you destroy death, you enter into it...going all the way through it
until the illusion is destroyed. Just what is death? How do you confront
death? Fear is all about saving ones self, ones identity, ones ideas and
thoughts, keeping control and feeling there is nothing that one can't
control. Ok, this is self, when you leave go and totally accept God
within you as the true power, you open up to this immense knowing, only
to find out it is really who you are. God Bless.. Gloria
--
Enter The Silence to Know God ... and... accept life as the teacher.
Gloria Joy Greco
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Hope you enjoy them!
Date: Fri, 05 Dec 1997 19:57:15 +0100
From: Gloria Greco <lodpressATnospamintercomm.com>
To: Ruth Trimble <trimbleATnospamhawaii.edu>
CC: "Harsh K. Luthar" <hlutharATnospambryant1.bryant.edu>,
kundalini-lATnospamlists.execpc.com
Subject: Re: Realization
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Harsha wrote:
> > > Ruth,
> > There are many paths and many different methods. For direct experience
> > of the Kundalini power, using Shakti mantras and focusing on the
> > appropriate centers is sufficient. However, Kundalini need not be
> > directly aroused for Self-Realization. For a person who has complete
> > devotion in his/her Heart for the Supereme Being, all methods are
> > superfluous.
Gloria here:
I absolutely agree the most important aspect there is, is putting God
as number 1 in all things. This being done, there is nothing else to do.
--
Enter The Silence to Know God ... and... accept life as the teacher.
Gloria Joy Greco
e-mail me at : lodpressATnospamintercomm.com and visit our homepages at:
http://users.intercomm.com/larryn/
&
http://www.freeyellow.com/members/zg888/
Hope you enjoy them!
Date: Fri, 5 Dec 1997 23:28:41 EST
From: DonBBenson <DonBBensonATnospamaol.com>
To: d.dambiecATnospamstudent.canberra.edu.au
Cc: kundalini-lATnospamlists.execpc.com
Subject: Re: Spiritual Physics
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I attended a lecture by Fritjof Capra twenty years ago in Berkeley at the
Annual Meeting of the Association for Humanistic Psychology. I had just
completed a Ph.D. project entitled Guidebook to the Universe: Some
Contributions to the Theory and Practice of Synergy. A young woman standing
in line to speak with Capra after the lecture said she was turned on by what
he said about synergy. She was trembling and shaking, trying to just stand in
line and carry on a normal conversation with me without calling attention to
herself or having a psychiatric emergency, but there it was - another
Kundalini Awakening, right on stage.
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Date: Fri, 05 Dec 1997 20:18:19 +0100
From: Gloria Greco <lodpressATnospamintercomm.com>
To: Mike Stickles <msticklesATnospamantalys.com>
CC: kundalini-lATnospamexecpc.com, richiecATnospampacific.net.ph,
"Charles Michael Beaver heartzenATnospamlistserv.servtech.com" <yodaATnospamband1.bandwidth.net>
Subject: Re: sharedkundalini
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Gloria:
Evolution is underway, with many millions of people obtaining their
belief system through east or west, of course they will relate to the
culture/system that was used for focus in his or her life.
As devoted servants of God, when it is real, the world must try to
categorize it and judge what is real, false, dilussion, etc. The
important thing beyond this, is not getting into that thought/image
trap. There is really no explanation in what happens in the soul/spirit
when one becomes fired up by the Holy Spirit/Kundalini. Since what is
happening is not of the world, no one in this world will relate. Those
who are of the higher state while willing to bring the light into the
situation to expose the world to pure spirit, will likely experience
judgment and persecution. This is ok.
Mike Stickles wrote:
>
> and Charles replied:
> >What's the most strange about all of this is that you
> >would HATE to be called a mystic. If my reading of
> >history serves me correctly, the mystics of the
> >Christian faith were those who WERE THE MOST
> >DEVOTED SERVANTS OF GOD <snip> So, tell me
> >truly, why is it that you wish to NOT BE ASSOCIATED
> >with those who love/loved God above all else.
>
> I won't try to put words in Richard's mouth, but it took me a
> long time before I would use the term "mystic" to describe
> myself, not because I didn't want to be associated with those
> who sought God on a mystic path, but because I was so aware
> of my frailties and failings that I didn't want to presume that I
> could put myself in that category. I saw those mystics as in
> some ways "larger than life." Also, my background was (and
> in many ways still is) very intellectual, so even though I was
> drawn to mystical paths I was afraid of them because I didn't
> want to abandon my intellect (I've since learned that they are
> not mutually exclusive :-).
>
Date: Sat, 06 Dec 1997 15:01:40 +1030
From: Susanne Macrae <smacraeATnospamcamtech.net.au>
To: Buckingham <siestaATnospamicarus.ihug.co.nz>
CC: Kundalini-lATnospamexecpc.com
Subject: Re: Non-Enlightenment
Message-ID: <3488D52C.74D8ATnospamcamtech.net.au>
Buckingham wrote:
How To Tell If You're Not Enlightened
Can somebody lend me a candle :>)
>
> ShortyB
Candle, what candle? (Bang, crash, bump, 000000ps, trip, OUCH,
......who said I was wandering around in the dark??)
Date: Sat, 06 Dec 1997 15:02:12 +1030
From: Susanne Macrae <smacraeATnospamcamtech.net.au>
To: Roberto Gonzales del Valle <rgvgATnospamhotmail.com>
CC: Kundalini-lATnospamexecpc.com
Subject: Re: About reincarnation
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Roberto Gonzales del Valle wrote:
>
Is reincarnation as it`s
> been taught to us or is it just the energy of everything that encarnates
> again and again bbeen us nothing but vehicles for that energy?
> I mean, aren´t we all Jesus, Rimabud, Mozart and Lennon at the same
> time, living again, completeinng the strain? Or do we each other
> reincarnate again and againg to gain experience. I go for the energy
> encarnating in us, and i think we are only vehicles for that energy
> which has a larger plan for us, larger and prettier than we will ever
> imagine.
>
............BOTH................
Date: Fri, 5 Dec 1997 23:28:40 EST
From: DonBBenson <DonBBensonATnospamaol.com>
To: glorybeATnospamintrepid.net, kundalini-lATnospamexecpc.com
Subject: Re: Kundalini Flu
Message-ID: <2ef8c50b.3488d47aATnospamaol.com>
Uh Oh! Flashing blue lights. Sirens. I'm being pulled over and given a
ticket for having too much fun.
Glorybe,
I'm glad you mentioned the fact that people who can't stand it can Delete
it. I realize, however, that this is a more civilized form of censorship than
some have contemplated.
By the way I noted your involvement with Sai Baba. Mary Cushing Niles, a
prominent New York business leader, Quaker, and Chairperson of Trustees at
Friends World College (circa 1968-1970 when my wife and I worked at world
headquarters on Long Island), was too. Not many portly elderly women did yoga
meditations on their heads before trustee meetings in those days. We had a
center in Bangalore, and most of the students passing through became aquainted
with Sai Baba. It's sooo cool being a K guy. While other fellas stuggle to
buy that first car and take that one special sweetheart out on a date, a real
K guy can sit calmly on a hill top with a silly grin on his face being honored
as a holy man in his region and all the while be getting girls all over the
world. So many temptations, so little time.
Blue lights. Sirens. Delete. Delete. Delete. Yrs cheekily, Don.
Date: Sat, 6 Dec 1997 17:43:39 +1300
From: jaxx <jaxxATnospamihug.co.nz>
To: kundalini-lATnospamexecpc.com
Subject: soul mates and Karma
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Dear list,
I am currently struggling with some karma stuff... <coinciding with what
some people see as a 'depressing month' - tho I personally see such times as
not bad as what I get out of them when I worked out what is going on for me
to be amazingly worth it as far a personal/spiritual growth>
the reason I am writing now and not doing my usual lurking thing is that
this passage hit me quite hard and I dont know how to deal with what is
going on.
>if from the perspective of reincarnation...[if reincarnation is
>valid..who knows...] even if someone loved me enough to play the part of
>tormentor in this life so i may grow to know what it is to extend
>unconditional love and forgiveness to them and myself [and so heal
>myself]...
I have a friendship with a man whom I did call a best friend... we even had
a casual ongoing sexual relationship for a while... Tho he was sweet and
kind at times and there for me when I went thro a bad patch... at other
times he has been abusive, aggressive, and really hurt me and destroyed the
trust that was between us.
I have since found that there is a strong posibility he and I were
incarnated together before ... At at time where apparently I was visciously
attacked/raped and he was one the people that did it... I didnt work out
this stuff in my previous incarnation so it affects me now... I am/have
been fearful around some sexual matters and am unorgasmic... something I
took to be 'just bad luck' - one of the few percentile of woman like this...
I have since questioned why I should accept this as being so...
My question to the list is what to do about getting over this... the above
caption brought tears to my eyes... I dont know how to react to this man...
I dont believe it to be fair to him to punish him or lash out hurt because
of what he did in a different time, <indeed he may be trapped into repeating
old patterns too>, I dont know how to forgive and 'respect that fact he has
chosen to torment he in this life so I may get over things'
I dont know what to do...
Advice and comments welcome...
...jacqueline
Date: Sat, 06 Dec 1997 15:11:05 +1030
From: Susanne Macrae <smacraeATnospamcamtech.net.au>
To: THOMAS SMITH <TDVW36AATnospamprodigy.com>
CC: Kundalini-lATnospamexecpc.com
Subject: Re: Enlightenment
Message-ID: <3488D761.6BFEATnospamcamtech.net.au>
THOMAS SMITH wrote:
>
> God Bless you Susan.......
>
> quiet your mind then:
>
> The soul speaks to you in feelings.
> Listen to your feelings.
> Follow your feelings.
> Honor your feelings.
> Trust your feelings..........
>
> Listen within your own being......quietly.......
>
> First though you must love yourself.....
> Trust your self........
>
> Peace, Love, and Light..
> Tom
Dear Tom,
Our journey's are taking us along very different paths. May your
feelings support and guide you. My truth at this time lies with another
concept entirely.
Love sue
Date: Fri, 5 Dec 1997 23:28:42 EST
From: DonBBenson <DonBBensonATnospamaol.com>
To: shawebbATnospamyhc.edu, kundalini-lATnospamexecpc.com
Subject: Re: Council of Constantinople and reincarnation
Message-ID: <34a4730b.3488d47dATnospamaol.com>
In a message dated 97-12-05 06:26:26 EST, shawebbATnospamyhc.edu writes:
<< From The Anathemas Against Origen (5th Ecumenical Council of
Constantinople, 553 AD.)
"If anyone asserts the fabulous pre-existence of souls, and shall assert
the monstrous restoration which follows from it: let him be anathema."
>>
I think we can all agree that the doctrine of reincarnation has been around a
long time. When Adam and Eve died after the serpent said to the woman, "You
will not surely die." you don't suppose the serpent repented and stopped
lying, do you? Doesn't the record show that he kept right on lying to cover
up his original lie? The doctrine of reincarnation is a pack of lies designed
to muddy the waters and obscure the facts regarding life and death;
resurrection and judgment; heaven and hell.
It was no easy task for the early church councils (1) to make clear
distinctions between (a) what is true according to the word of God and (b)
what is false and (2) to build the church on truth. You have provided
evidence of their mighty struggles to distinguish truth from error. But where
is your evidence that God ever taught or approved the teaching of
reincarnation?
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