1997/12/05 15:24
kundalini-l-d Digest V97 #795
kundalini-l-d Digest Volume 97 : Issue 795
Today's Topics:
About reincarnation [ "Roberto Gonzales del Valle" <rgvgATnospam ]
Re: Realization [ "Harsh K. Luthar" <hlutharATnospamresearch ]
Non-Enlightenment [ Sean Nomura <snomuraATnospammail.arc.nasa. ]
RE: Some stupid questions about term [ Mike Stickles <msticklesATnospamantalys.co ]
EarthQuake [ iri <iriATnospamivyrealty.com> ]
new subscriber [ "S. Hustead" <shedATnospammagick.net> ]
Re: Non-Enlightenment [ Jesa Macbeth <jesamacATnospampobox.com> ]
Re: sharedkundalini [ Charles Michael Beaver <yodaATnospamband1. ]
Re:Earthquake [ "Rick Puravs" <ric51ATnospamgeorge.lhi.net ]
RE: sharedkundalini [ Mike Stickles <msticklesATnospamantalys.co ]
Re: What is Going On? [ Gloria Greco <lodpressATnospamintercomm.co ]
Re: Doctrine (was RE: Multi-orgasmic [ Gloria Greco <lodpressATnospamintercomm.co ]
Re: Depression Month [ Gloria Greco <lodpressATnospamintercomm.co ]
Depression Month [ TDVW36AATnospamprodigy.com ( THOMAS SMITH) ]
Re: Enlightenment [ TDVW36AATnospamprodigy.com ( THOMAS SMITH) ]
Re: losing your soul mate [ "Susan Carlson" <divine_goddessATnospamhot ]
Re: Realization [ Ruth Trimble <trimbleATnospamhawaii.edu> ]
Date: Fri, 05 Dec 1997 08:19:21 PST
From: "Roberto Gonzales del Valle" <rgvgATnospamhotmail.com>
To: kundalini-lATnospamexecpc.com
Subject: About reincarnation
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Hi:
Greetings.
I have a quiestion for you wonderful people: Is reincarnation as it`s
been taught to us or is it just the energy of everything that encarnates
again and again bbeen us nothing but vehicles for that energy?
I mean, aren´t we all Jesus, Rimabud, Mozart and Lennon at the same
time, living again, completeinng the strain? Or do we each other
reincarnate again and againg to gain experience. I go for the energy
encarnating in us, and i think we are only vehicles for that energy
which has a larger plan for us, larger and prettier than we will ever
imagine.
My best wishes for you. Please, respond.
Roberto.
Lima-Perú.
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Date: Fri, 05 Dec 1997 13:01:10 -0500
From: "Harsh K. Luthar" <hlutharATnospamresearch1.bryant.edu>
To: Ruth Trimble <trimbleATnospamhawaii.edu>
CC: kundalini-lATnospamlists.execpc.com
Subject: Re: Realization
Message-ID: <34884166.2F34ATnospamacad.bryant.edu>
Ruth,
There are many paths and many different methods. For direct experience
of the Kundalini power, using Shakti mantras and focusing on the
appropriate centers is sufficient. However, Kundalini need not be
directly aroused for Self-Realization. For a person who has complete
devotion in his/her Heart for the Supereme Being, all methods are
superfluous.
Harsh
Ruth Trimble wrote:
>
> Hi Harsh: Thanks for this information. I have been waiting to see this in
> print....
> >>>Enlightenment or Self-Realization may certainly take place independent
> of the traditional Kundalini system. On certain paths. gaining knowledge
> of granthis, Chakras and subtle nerves is considered wholly irrelevant.
>
Date: Fri, 05 Dec 1997 10:26:32 -0800
From: Sean Nomura <snomuraATnospammail.arc.nasa.gov>
To: kundalini-lATnospamexecpc.com
Subject: Non-Enlightenment
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Jesa Macbeth wrote:
>It seems almost easier to define enlightenment by what it is *not* than by
>what it is. Shall we all have a go and make a How To Tell When You Are Not
>Enlightened List?
How To Tell If You're Not Enlightened
1. If you post on the kundalini-I list, you are not enlightened.
2. If you post on the kundalini-I list often, you are less enlightened still.
3. If you lose the goodwill of others with your posts, you are even less
enlightened.
4. If your post tells other people what it is to not be enlightened and in
the process cover points 1 through 3, you are the least enlightened of them
all.
Love, Sean
Date: Fri, 5 Dec 1997 13:30:12 -0500
From: Mike Stickles <msticklesATnospamantalys.com>
To: kundalini-lATnospamexecpc.com
Subject: RE: Some stupid questions about terminology and progress.
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Mystress wrote: <snip>
> Mostly, I see all of these "stages of enlightenment"
>spoken of, and as I have not ever seriously tried to
>measure my "progress", against these mysterious
>guidelines, so they make me curious. Where am I at?
<snip>
I gave up for the most part worrying about which stage I
was at, primarily because most of the lists of stages I've
seen were written by people who must have been on a
different path than me. I might recognize having reached
stage three, maybe, but stages one and two were totally
foreign to my experience.
It makes sense, though, that this would happen. After
all, while we are all striving for a similar goal in our
personal spiritual development, our paths and "filters"
of belief and background are wildly different. Even our
current understandings of "enlightenment" will differ -
I'm sure that my Christian perspective will differ from,
say, Mystress' pagan perspective in some particulars,
and both of us a little from Harsh's, etc, etc.
It's as if we were all driving from the east coast to the
west coast, and sharing via radio the landmarks we've
passed on the journey. Pretty much everybody would
recognize crossing the Mississippi, but if somebody
taking I-70 mentioned Pike's Peak, many others would
wonder why they weren't seeing it too. Heck, some who
also took I-70 might not see it because they didn't look
that far south. And someone who reached the end of
their journey at Big Sur and said "This is what the coast
looks like" wouldn't be agreed with by someone who
wound up in Seattle, except that they both see lots of
water.
My own path is based on Fundamentalist Christianity,
which since it is pretty structured and well-defined you
would expect to be similarly described by those on it,
right? Not! Within that "narrow way" is an incredible
variety of experience. How much more so here, when
we have so many different religious and philosophical
traditions represented?
This is not to say that I think it is useless to share our
own experiences with "landmarks" on our paths. I find
great enjoyment in recognizing similarities between my
path and others'. And someone who has no idea where
they are can take encouragement if someone else can
say "yep, I was there, and this is where I went next -
that's not the end of the road." My Christian perspective
leads me to check, not how far I've come in the journey,
but that I'm still on the right path (I recognize that many
don't see any one path as "the right one" - here we will
agree to disagree for the moment - but I think I have a
different view of my "destination" than many here. As
many here have a Christian background, and so know
where I'm coming from, no need to belabor the point.).
Anyway, what I was getting to with that last bit was
that as long as I can be sure I'm heading in the right
direction, I don't worry about how far I've gotten - no
matter how far it is, there's always someplace beyond
that to head for - so I just concentrate on enjoying the
trip. Like they say in the Nissan commercials:
Life is a journey. Enjoy the ride!
- Mike Stickles
P.S. - Mystress - While I think you used "stupid" in a
tongue-in-cheek way, I'll take the opportunity afforded by
your choice of words to mention one of my favorite
philosophies - the only truly stupid question is the one
we never ask anyone else, but use only as a bludgeon
to beat ourselves up about our ignorance.
Date: Fri, 05 Dec 1997 11:13:38 -0800
From: iri <iriATnospamivyrealty.com>
To: kundalini-lATnospamlists.execpc.com
Subject: EarthQuake
Message-Id: <199712051914.LAA19331ATnospamwoohoo.erc.bc.ca>
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Anybody hear about the 7.7 earthquake in the Bering Straits off Alaska? It
happened at midnight was followed by a tsunami alert which was finally
called off at 6:30 A.M. No mention of concern for the aftershocks
though.....I wonder
Date: Fri, 5 Dec 1997 11:11:29 -0800
From: "S. Hustead" <shedATnospammagick.net>
To: <kundalini-lATnospamexecpc.com>
Subject: new subscriber
Message-Id: <199712052014.MAA00550ATnospamusers.wizzards.net>
ShedATnospamMagick.net
Greetings to the list members,
My name is Sue Hustead and I was initiated by shaktipat on September 26 '97
by a yogi. This was an awsome experience for me and seems to be the
missing link for my own completion. I live in Grants Pass Oregon and was
seeking to join a Merkaba group when I encountered the information on
shaktipat and knew instantly it was what I wanted to do. I was given
mantras and breathing techniques and away I went - didn't sleep for two
weeks as a cleanse ensued. I meditate every day and attend a group
meditation twice monthly with the yogi. I am also in close contact with
him for support and answers to questions that arise.
I am 52 years old, have a small organic farm, volunteer my time in the area
of domestic violence and rape, and have a partner of 12 years.
I am much more peacefull now, more loving, my body is healing from
childhood sexual abuse, I am joyfull and content being who and where I am.
Looking forward to joining the list and posting where appropriate.
Thank you
Sue
Date: Fri, 5 Dec 1997 11:29:53 -0800
From: Jesa Macbeth <jesamacATnospampobox.com>
To: Sean Nomura <snomuraATnospammail.arc.nasa.gov>, kundalini-lATnospamexecpc.com
Subject: Re: Non-Enlightenment
Message-Id: <2.2.16.19971205112941.083f4e9eATnospammail.adnc.com>
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At 10:26 AM 12/5/97 -0800, Sean Nomura wrote:
> How To Tell If You're Not Enlightened
>
>1. If you post on the kundalini-I list, you are not enlightened.
>
>2. If you post on the kundalini-I list often, you are less enlightened still.
>
>3. If you lose the goodwill of others with your posts, you are even less
>enlightened.
>
>4. If your post tells other people what it is to not be enlightened and in
>the process cover points 1 through 3, you are the least enlightened of them
>all.
I like it, Sean. Does posting twice in one day constitute often? I want my
own position to be quite clear.<g>
More criteria:
1. Not fully enlightened: You are still on earth.
2. Less enlightened: You are still on earth and don't know why.
3. Least enlightened: You are still on earth and think you do know why.
Best!
Jesa
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http://www.pobox.com/~jesamac/
http://dharma-haven.org/oas/
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Date: Fri, 05 Dec 1997 00:00:29 -0600
From: Charles Michael Beaver <yodaATnospamband1.bandwidth.net>
To: "Richard J.P.Cavosora" <richiecATnospampacific.net.ph>
Cc: kundalini-lATnospamexecpc.com
Subject: Re: sharedkundalini
Message-Id: <3487987C.AD709C6AATnospamband1.bandwidth.net>
Dear Richard:
Richard J.P.Cavosora wrote:
> Hello from Manila
> My kundalini awakening appears to have been shared by at least two friends
> and I strongly suspect mine was activated by somebody else.
> What does this mean? As a Catholic Christian, I'm also inclined to believe
> the Holy Spirit has a role to play in my awakening. What does this also
> mean? I'd hate to call myself a mystic but my research so far plus even the
> evaluation of a Jesuit priest Fr. Thomas Green called my experience, as
> shared with two other females, as mystical (at that time we had not heard of
> the term kundalini). This was last year and I still have my heat
> manifestations.
> Thank God for your existence!
What's the most strange about all of this is that you would HATE to be called a
mystic. If my reading of history serves me correctly, the mystics of the
Christian
faith were those who WERE THE MOST DEVOTED SERVANTS OF GOD of
all who existed within the faith. They loved/love GOD above ALL ELSE; only
seeking
to become ONE WITH HIM, like Mother Theresa, serving God's will, before
even the SELF. So, tell me truly, why is it that you wish to NOT BE ASSOCIATED
with those who love/loved God above all else.
--
Sincerely;
Mike Beaver
yodaATnospamband1.bandwidth.net
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Date: Fri, 5 Dec 1997 15:25:19 -0500
From: "Rick Puravs" <ric51ATnospamgeorge.lhi.net>
To: <kundalini-lATnospamexecpc.com>
Subject: Re:Earthquake
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Here's a list of the most recent earthquakes from an earthquake website i
check out once in a while....lots of aftershocks and some before the 7.7
Rick
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Seismic Information from: quakeATnospamgldfs.cr.usgs.gov
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The following near-real-time Earthquake Bulletin is provided by the National Earthquake Information Service (NEIS) of the U. S. Geological Survey as part of a cooperative project of the Council of the National Seismic System. For a description of the earthquake parameters listed below, the availability of additional information, and our publication criteria, please finger qk_infoATnospamgldfs.cr.usgs.gov. Updated as of Fri Dec 5 11:39:38 MST 1997.
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Date: 97/12/05 Time: 18:13:48
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Comment: NEAR EAST COAST OF KAMCHATKA
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Loc: 13.59N 90.65W
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Date: 97/12/04 Time: 21:38:03
Loc: 37.71N 118.98W
Depth: 5.0 Km Magnitude: 3.9Mw Quality: A
Comment: CALIFORNIA-NEVADA BORDER REG
Date: 97/12/04 Time: 20:08:49
Loc: 14.22N 91.01W
Depth: 33.0 Km Magnitude: 4.5Mb Quality: C
Comment: GUATEMALA
Date: 97/12/04 Time: 14:56:36
Loc: 13.48N 90.69W
Depth: 33.0 Km Magnitude: 5.4Ms Quality: A
Comment: NEAR COAST OF GUATEMALA
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Date: Fri, 5 Dec 1997 15:50:53 -0500
From: Mike Stickles <msticklesATnospamantalys.com>
To: kundalini-lATnospamexecpc.com
Cc: richiecATnospampacific.net.ph,
Charles Michael Beaver
<yodaATnospamband1.bandwidth.net>
Subject: RE: sharedkundalini
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Richard wrote:
> <snip> I'd hate to call myself a mystic <snip>
and Charles replied:
>What's the most strange about all of this is that you
>would HATE to be called a mystic. If my reading of
>history serves me correctly, the mystics of the
>Christian faith were those who WERE THE MOST
>DEVOTED SERVANTS OF GOD <snip> So, tell me
>truly, why is it that you wish to NOT BE ASSOCIATED
>with those who love/loved God above all else.
I won't try to put words in Richard's mouth, but it took me a
long time before I would use the term "mystic" to describe
myself, not because I didn't want to be associated with those
who sought God on a mystic path, but because I was so aware
of my frailties and failings that I didn't want to presume that I
could put myself in that category. I saw those mystics as in
some ways "larger than life." Also, my background was (and
in many ways still is) very intellectual, so even though I was
drawn to mystical paths I was afraid of them because I didn't
want to abandon my intellect (I've since learned that they are
not mutually exclusive :-).
It helped to read quotes and stories from the lives of the mystic
saints and realize that they were just like me in many ways,
failing, stumbling, but through it all they kept their eyes on the
Lord of all and set their hearts to know Him and His love. I did
not have to reach some rarefied spiritual plain to call myself a
"mystic"; just pursue God in those ways that are beyond the
limited reach of pure rationality but make perfect sense to the
heart and spirit. (An aside here) I especially liked one story
about Theresa of Avila (at least, I think it was about her - might
be wrong). Anyway, it was reported that a novice approached
Theresa and said that it must be wonderful to be like her, to
be pure and without distractions in her prayers and meditations.
Theresa gave the novice a disbelieving look and said, "What do
you think I am - a saint?"
Anyway, Richard, I would agree that the Holy Spirit is central
in your awakening, just as an intuition from the way you
describe your awakening and yourself. I'd say the Spirit led
you here to learn - welcome! We're a diverse group - Hindu,
pagan, various Christian (I'm Protestant Fundamentalist), and
a lot of philosophies that would probably defy classification -
but pretty harmonious, and we share many of the same views
of our Kundalini experiences despite our different religious and
philosophical beliefs. This is a good place to learn more about
what's happened to you and what it can mean, from so many
points of view that I'm sure you'll find someone who speaks
from a place similar to yours, that you can relate to.
Love in Christ,
- Mike Stickles
Date: Fri, 05 Dec 1997 11:56:52 +0100
From: Gloria Greco <lodpressATnospamintercomm.com>
To: smacraeATnospamcamtech.net.au
CC: Kundalini-lATnospamexecpc.com
Subject: Re: What is Going On?
Message-ID: <3487DDEF.3DEEATnospamintercomm.com>
Susanne Macrae wrote:
>
> Gloria wrote:
>
> Sue,
> what is going on in your life? Is it a difficult time for you
> during
> holidays, it is easy to get caught up in activity and thinking during
> this time since it is so emotionally charged, maybe even some stress
> from desire, habit, feelings of previous Christmas, etc.
> Regardless, we live at a fantastic time, with great potential
> for those
> aware enough to develop through one pointedness the detachment for
> change. Like to hear more from you. Gloria
> --
>
> Hi,
> I love Christmas, the holidays, the hustle and bustle. Now is a
> wonderful time in my life. I've been achieving my goals, having
> emotional and spiritual fulfillment, being at peace. Living in the love
> of God and my family.
>
> The despair I have been feeling seems bigger than me. Like when my
> husband died in '88, the grief I felt was bigger than just my grief.
> He had chosen not to pass over but clung to my presence and poured his
> pain out to me. Unsuspecting, I took it on board and grieved for us
> both.
>
> Maybe this despair is also an attachment?
>
> Love sue
Yes and it probably hits you the hardest at this time of the year when
we really can share our feelings with loved ones. This is natural and
perhaps by the observing as you go through this holiday, you can really
pull back and neutralize all of that pain. It then will dissolve and you
will be free of it. It could be the best Christmas you've ever had if
you can really just observe without thought, just watch and feel what is
there, even the pain. Love that you have will go to him on the other
side and you will feel the connection. Gloria
--
Enter The Silence to Know God ... and... accept life as the teacher.
Gloria Joy Greco
e-mail me at : lodpressATnospamintercomm.com and visit our homepages at:
http://users.intercomm.com/larryn/
&
http://www.freeyellow.com/members/zg888/
Hope you enjoy them!
Date: Fri, 05 Dec 1997 13:24:04 +0100
From: Gloria Greco <lodpressATnospamintercomm.com>
To: Mike Stickles <msticklesATnospamantalys.com>
CC: Sharon Webb <shawebbATnospamyhc.edu>, kundalini-lATnospamexecpc.com
Subject: Re: Doctrine (was RE: Multi-orgasmic)
Message-ID: <3487F262.7F60ATnospamintercomm.com>
Mike Stickles wrote:
>
> I usually avoid the same thing from the other side, but not
> always - there are a couple of metaphysical places I gave
> up on visiting because it was obvious that the people there
> were holding prejudices against me as a Christian - maybe
> out of suspicions that I had similar prejudices against them -
> and nothing I said seemed to make a difference. It seemed
> that they couldn't believe that a Christian could stand there
> and talk to them without calling down the wrath of God, or
> whatever. I didn't fit into their view of the world. Of course,
> I don't fit into the view of the world held by a lot of my fellow
> Christians, either, so I'm getting used to it - guess I'm just
> a "metaphysical non-conformist" or something :-).
>
> in His love,
> - Mike
Dear Mike and Sharon,
It appears what is happening is the mass mind is changing, so along
with breaking down of one thought form and another, it stands to reason
that a lot of folks are going to be coming from a whole new awareness.
This is very much in line with the teachings of the Catholic Church even
in its movement, nobody can look about at the climate of the world and
not recognize something bigger then any known dogma or concept is going
to work now. The evolution of kundalini/Holy Spirit is certainly a major
force in this change, so that all churches and places of worship will
find new challenges, new awareness and power. Doesn't this add up to our
time. Gloria
Enter The Silence to Know God ... and... accept life as the teacher.
Gloria Joy Greco
e-mail me at : lodpressATnospamintercomm.com and visit our homepages at:
http://users.intercomm.com/larryn/
&
http://www.freeyellow.com/members/zg888/
Hope you enjoy them!
Date: Fri, 05 Dec 1997 13:27:36 +0100
From: Gloria Greco <lodpressATnospamintercomm.com>
To: veroungerATnospamearthlink.net
CC: kundalini-lATnospamexecpc.com
Subject: Re: Depression Month
Message-ID: <3487F336.49FEATnospamintercomm.com>
To the depressed one:
Perhaps it is time to step back and observe this from a more neutral
place, if he was truly your soul mate, even if it was tested it wouldn't
fold. So, just look at it this way, if this relationship is really
yours, let it go...if it comes back to you without you doing anything,
you can be certain that it is founded on the strongest of principles.
And, there will be nothing that will ever sway either of you again. This
is the only way to know if it is truly Divine Will. Gloria
Date: Fri, 5 Dec 1997 16:38:44, -0500
From: TDVW36AATnospamprodigy.com ( THOMAS SMITH)
To: kundalini-lATnospamexecpc.com, veroungerATnospamearthlink.net
Subject: Depression Month
Message-Id: <199712052138.QAA08090ATnospammime4.prodigy.com>
God Bless you.....Soul Verounger :>
There always is a next level, you know. Your soul - which came here
for the richest experience,
not the poorest; the most, not the least - would like you not to rest.
And while the choice is
always yours, your soul would have it that you never become
complacent or self satisfied,
and certainly never sink into apathy.
For there's too much to change in your world, too much left of
yourself for you to create.
Always there's a new mountain to climb, a new frontier to explore, a
new fear to conquer.
Always there's a grander place, a larger concept, a greater vision.
Namaste'
Tom
Date: Fri, 5 Dec 1997 16:45:16, -0500
From: TDVW36AATnospamprodigy.com ( THOMAS SMITH)
To: kundalini-lATnospamexecpc.com, smacraeATnospamcamtech.net.au
Subject: Re: Enlightenment
Message-Id: <199712052145.QAA18032ATnospammime4.prodigy.com>
God Bless you Susan.......
quiet your mind then:
The soul speaks to you in feelings.
Listen to your feelings.
Follow your feelings.
Honor your feelings.
Trust your feelings..........
Listen within your own being......quietly.......
First though you must love yourself.....
Trust your self........
Peace, Love, and Light..
Tom
Date: Fri, 05 Dec 1997 13:55:41 PST
From: "Susan Carlson" <divine_goddessATnospamhotmail.com>
To: kundalini-lATnospamexecpc.com
Subject: Re: losing your soul mate
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Holly wrote:
....snip
> Women look for
>"soulmates" and princes charming to fulfill them in a way only god can.
One of the reasons i tend to dismiss the idea of soul mates is because
of this very thing. In my perspective, the best "soulmates"
are those who mirror my deepest wounds to me so i can heal myself.
if from the perspective of reincarnation...[if reincarnation is
valid..who knows...] even if someone loved me enough to play the part of
tormentorin this life so i may grow to know what it is to extend
unconditional love and forgiveness to them and myself [and so heal
myself]...might that be a "true" soul mate?
>I speak from experience when I tell you that sometimes it can take this
>catastrophic loss before we can properly redirect the desire where it
>was meant to go. THEN the human love we find can really become holy
>because we are not expecting our partners or ourselves to be god.
and to be honest and open...i am discovering something about the
concept of twin flames. if this is happening...i find no
desparation...no fear of loss...only a sense of completeness and
peace...and a sense of connecting deeper with the Divine.
something about that "redirects the energy" as Holly says...transforms
it to a higher level...maybe a commuication and connection that is
Spirit based and...if i/we choose...can come to be earth based also.
and yet i cannot wonder...if in myself..if i was truly healed of all my
wounds...totally vulnerable to the direction and love of Spirit...would
i not find all people to be my twin flames?
Don't
>be so hard on yourself. Holly
and i can be the hardest of all on myself. Beating myself in the head
with a hammer over and over....then stop hitting myself to only start
again because it feels so good when i stop again.
Blessings,
Susan
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Date: Fri, 5 Dec 1997 12:16:39 -1000
From: Ruth Trimble <trimbleATnospamhawaii.edu>
To: "Harsh K. Luthar" <hlutharATnospambryant1.bryant.edu>
cc: kundalini-lATnospamlists.execpc.com
Subject: Re: Realization
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Dear Harsha:
Thank you so much for this answer. I guess I look to you for some
information that I have not been able to find in books or among other
colleagues. I also loved the simplicity of your answer. I think even
uneducated, unschooled folks can reach this state.. without anything as
exotic as Kundalini awakening.
It is valuable having your acquaintance.
Ruth
> > Ruth,
> There are many paths and many different methods. For direct experience
> of the Kundalini power, using Shakti mantras and focusing on the
> appropriate centers is sufficient. However, Kundalini need not be
> directly aroused for Self-Realization. For a person who has complete
> devotion in his/her Heart for the Supereme Being, all methods are
> superfluous.
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