1997/12/04 13:27
kundalini-l-d Digest V97 #791
kundalini-l-d Digest Volume 97 : Issue 791
Today's Topics:
Re: Depression Month [ "Debora A. Orf" <dorf01ATnospammail.win.or ]
Re: Multi-orgasmic & desperate need [ imtgATnospamjuno.com (tg xxx) ]
Kundalini Flu [ DonBBenson <DonBBensonATnospamaol.com> ]
Re: Enlightenment and the I [ "Harsh K. Luthar" <hlutharATnospamresearch ]
Re: Multi-orgasmic & desperate need [ "Debora A. Orf" <dorf01ATnospammail.win.or ]
Re: Multi-orgasmic & desperate need [ "Harsh K. Luthar" <hlutharATnospamresearch ]
what i want for christmas [ "Debora A. Orf" <dorf01ATnospammail.win.or ]
RE: Doctrine (was RE: Multi-orgasmic [ Mike Stickles <msticklesATnospamantalys.co ]
Date: Thu, 4 Dec 1997 09:57:26 -0600 (CST)
From: "Debora A. Orf" <dorf01ATnospammail.win.org>
To: Ruth Trimble <trimbleATnospamhawaii.edu>
cc: kundalini-lATnospamlists.execpc.com, smacraeATnospamcamtech.net.au
Subject: Re: Depression Month
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On Wed, 3 Dec 1997, Ruth Trimble wrote:
> Fortunately I have not been feeling this, but just about every major
> friend I have HAS...anyone I know who is spiritually inclined is going
> through this deep period of depression. It could be the planetary
> situation...(This is not Doctrine Don!) which is said to be pretty
> intense alignments right now... I have also heard that it is the
> precursor to more light infusions... sort of cleaning out the basement so
> the dirt is gone before the clean stuff comes in... definitely NOT your
> textbook description here.. but just the same.. it might be comforting.
> Ruth
i've noticed it too. someone sent me something to help my own 'blues and
brillo-pad emotions'.
it does feel like someone scouring me out like an old stuck-on burnt up
saucepan.
A Poem by His Holiness The IV Dalai Lama
Never give up
No matter what is going on
Never give up
Develop the heart
Too much energy in you country is spent
developing the mind, instead of the heart
Develop the heart
Be compassionate
Not just to your friends
but to everyone
Be compassionate
Work for peace
In your heart and in the world
Work for peace
And I say again
Never give up
No matter what is happening
No matter what is going on around you
Never give up.
with metta, (paali term this time, means also, like maitri,
'lovingkindness')
--janpa tsomo
Date: Thu, 4 Dec 1997 10:35:02 -0500
From: imtgATnospamjuno.com (tg xxx)
To: STARNYCATnospamaol.com
Cc: Kundalini-lATnospamexecpc.com
Subject: Re: Multi-orgasmic & desperate need for help
Message-ID: <19971204.103506.8638.2.imtgATnospamjuno.com>
StarnyC wrote:
<< I alternate between flowing of the heart to the universe, bliss and
suicidal
depression.>>
Your posting touched me. And I do wish there was something I could say
to help you thru all of this. Right now it seems to me, that you are
seeing the pendulum swing of your life from one extreme to the other in
exaggerated form (bliss to depression). I remember it well. What you
will come to discover though is that, this too shall pass. (easy to say
for me as the observer of you). But that is exactly what is needed on
your part too. Be the observer, just as I am observing you. Be
blissful, while remaining centered and calm. Be depressed, while
remaining centered and calm. Observe, observe, observe. (did I mention
to observe?)
What you will notice as time goes by, the pendulum will swing less and
less from one extreme to the other, until one day you are centered
totally. Observe what it is that makes the pendulum swing the opposite
way. What I saw was when I was in bliss, I would make some sort of ego
statement of my importance to someone and that was enough to make it
swing in the opposite direction. After so many times of this occurring,
it helped me to realize that my thoughts of my importance is not
important at all! The extreme exaggeration of it all really helps you to
see this, where in normal day life, we aren't capable of seeing this
clearly. These totally opposite mood swings is a wonderful blessing in
disquise if you can see it for what it is - to help you see yourself more
clearly of how you work in your everyday life; to look at what
improvements of transcending ego you can make. I found it most helpful
to bringing a more peaceful centered place into my life later.
Your joy and stability will return, but with a much needed calmness added
to it. Your life on the rollercoaster (the ups & downs of life) will
soon be over, as you will easily be able to remain peaceful even in the
best or worst of situations. This is all part of the process that you
are going through. You are right on course. When you begin watching and
observing these emotions you are going through (not denying them, but
just watching them), you will find they cannot stay as long, as you have
eliminated the fear from them from the center of your being.
You are transcending ego, which doesn't like it one bit. But allow You
to be in control, not the ego. Through observing your ego workings, You
are in control.
Enjoy this wonderful rollercoaster ride for what it is right now - just a
ride that leaves you frightened, exhilerated, excited, etc. - If you can
see it from that angle, rather than just being frightened while on the
ride, it will make for a much more enjoyable time for you.
I don't know if any of this will help - it is just from my own experience
of it. While in the middle of the ride, you can't get off, so you might
as well enjoy it! Sometimes just seeing it differently will make all the
difference in the world for you. You have a whole new way of looking at
the world opening up to you now, a world where you will finally be able
to be truly helpful to others without ego getting it's darn butt in the
way. Your joy and your stability will all come back more fully that ever
before, I assure you.
Take care and I wish you the best during this time.
Here's a Big Hug!
xxxtg
"If you find yourself in a hole; first thing to do is stop diggin'. "
http://members.aol.com/Teeegeee/tgsplace.html <~~~~ on the web now!
Date: Thu, 4 Dec 1997 12:37:13 EST
From: DonBBenson <DonBBensonATnospamaol.com>
To: kundalini-lATnospamlists.execpc.com
Cc: CRCrierATnospamaol.com
Subject: Kundalini Flu
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The widespread outbreak of gastro-intestinal and esophageal disease of unknown
etiology which manifested suddenly throughout the world at the time of the
American Thanksgiving Holiday has been tentatively diagnosed by the Christian
Center for Disease Control (CCDC) in Rockingham, North Carolina, as
<<Kundalini Flu>>.
Initial studies at the CCDC in Rockingham have revealed what some researchers
are calling a possible underlying causative factor in this illness. Citing an
ancient text, which is followed in all Christian medical schools, one member
of the CCDC staff asserted, <<This may be a classic case of <unthankfulness
syndrome>. Though the general population can become infected, normally the
spiritual and intellectual elites - particularly those having a history of
Kundalini awakenings - experience the most pronounced symptoms. Consequently,
we are calling it <Kundalini Flu> in recognition of both the primary <at risk>
group and the influenza-like characteristics of the disease.>> Two citations
from ancient Hebrew and Greek texts have been given as a basis for this
diagnosis.
The Hebrew text says that <<priest and prophet have erred...They err in
vision, they stumble in judgment. For all tables are full of vomit and
filthiness, so that no place is clean.>>
The Greek text concerning spiritual and intellectual elites says that
<<because what may be known of God is manifest in them, for God has shown it
to them>> and <<although they knew God, they did not glorify Him as God, nor
were thankful, but became futile in their thoughts, and their foolish hearts
were darkened. Professing to be wise, they became fools...Therefore God also
gave them up to uncleanness, in the lusts of their hearts, to dishonor their
bodies among themselves, who exchanged the truth of God for the lie, and
worshiped and served the creature rather than the Creator, who is blessed
forever. Amen. For this reason God gave them up>> so that they might receive
<<in themselves the penalty of their error which was due.>>
CCDC officials predict that, if this diagnosis is correct, sufferers can find
find relief simply by glorifying God as God and by <<giving thanks always for
all things to God the Father in the name of our Lord Jesus Christ, submitting
to one another in the fear of God.>>
Date: Thu, 04 Dec 1997 13:38:07 -0500
From: "Harsh K. Luthar" <hlutharATnospamresearch1.bryant.edu>
To: smacraeATnospamcamtech.net.au
CC: Kurt Keutzer <keutzerATnospamsynopsys.com>, Kundalini-lATnospamexecpc.com
Subject: Re: Enlightenment and the I
Message-ID: <3486F88F.5D8EATnospamacad.bryant.edu>
Realized Sages do agree on the experience of the Self. It is what it is,
the very Core of Being. It is pure Sat-Chit-Ananda, devoid of thought or
doubt but utterly Complete and Eternal Reality which is Consciousness
Itself. It is beyond happiness and despair, beyond destiny and free
will, and beyond time and space. It is beyond the different paths,
philosophies, religions and conceptions of the Divine. People with much
confidence speak of their way, their path, their religion, and their
God. This is alright. But when an aspirant sincerely enquires Who am "I"
who conceptualizes all such things, only then introversion takes place.
The feeling of "I" that everyone has naturally is the clue to resolving
the mystery of Existence. It leads to the Knowledge of the Self.
Susanne Macrae wrote:
>
> Kurt Keutzer wrote:
> >
> >
> > One would think that the great realized masters would at least agree among
> > theirselves - but they do not. I think that this is one of the reasons
> > there is so little consistency and progress is the exposition of the
> > spiritual path. In other words, the exposition of the spiritual path has
> > probably degraded in the last 300 years rather than improved.
> >
>
> I am not a student of any of the realized masters, any other master,
> philosophy or religious path. I AM a student of Kundalini's impact on
> my physical, spiritual, mental and emotional being.
>
> It is my belief that no one person, philosophy or religion has all the
> answers to the questions of the spiritual. I've got my little piece of
> the jigsaw and may be able to understand how and where I fit into the
> big picture but it doesn't mean I can see the big picture.
>
> If the "great realized masters cannot agree amongst themselves" is this
> not just confirmation that they, like us, don't have all the answers.
> That they only have their piece of the jigsaw to relate to?
>
> I have felt in recent times that the only true and valid teacher is the
> inner teacher or highest self. When we teach others our truth aren't we
> denying them the opportunity to seek out their truth?
>
> Perhaps like the holographic model, each individual reality is whole and
> complete within itself regardless of how it relates to another. As it
> shifts and changes (as is wont to do) it still remains whole and
> complete.
>
> Maybe the big picture is beyond us all (realized masters included)?
>
> Love, sue
Date: Thu, 4 Dec 1997 11:42:25 -0600 (CST)
From: "Debora A. Orf" <dorf01ATnospammail.win.org>
To: STARNYCATnospamaol.com
cc: trimbleATnospamhawaii.edu, DonBBensonATnospamaol.com, kundalini-lATnospamlists.execpc.com
Subject: Re: Multi-orgasmic & desperate need for help
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starny!
sorry sorry! all i can think of is a prayer by Jack Kornfield, maybe it
will help,
May you be filled with love and kindness
May you be well,
May you be peaceful, and at ease
May you be happy.
An ehug to you. May Tara watch over you and protect you.
{{Starny!}}
Date: Thu, 04 Dec 1997 13:52:35 -0500
From: "Harsh K. Luthar" <hlutharATnospamresearch1.bryant.edu>
To: Mystress Angelique Serpent <mistressATnospamdomin8rex.com>
CC: STARNYCATnospamaol.com, kundalini-lATnospamlists.execpc.com
Subject: Re: Multi-orgasmic & desperate need for help
Message-ID: <3486FBF3.5EC4ATnospamacad.bryant.edu>
I am deeply moved by your commitment and caring (and Gloria's and Ruth's
and others) to helping people going through such pain. I can only add
that someone going through such things should extend their hours of
sleep and rest and eat nutritious foods. Seek whatever help is necessary
to help you get through this period. The goal of meditation and
spirituality is Peace and not anything else. That Peace is our nature.
We have to discover that it is so.
Mystress Angelique Serpent wrote:
>
> Relax, my dear, Don't Panic.. we are here, you are not alone.. you have
> just joined a community of over 300 folks who are interested in your
> wellbeing.
> It feels like you could really use a hug! Tough to do over the internet,
> but not impossible. I have been known to show up astrally, along with the
> email..
> I'm not a therapist, but I have good intuition. Here goes..
>
> At 00:00 04/12/97 -0500, STARNYCATnospamaol.com wrote:
> > My spiritual therapist says I have K,
> You do.
>
> > I am terrified becasue my spiritual therapist said that I had a
> >sado-masochistic relationship with my meditation teacher, not my fault--and
> >that my teacher's god experiences are psychotic--the teacher who was in over
> >her head said she would be my friend--and was lovely two weeks ago and said
> >she would meditate with me again--and is now not returning my phone
> >calls--ITherapist said that I have acute trauma from teacher and K process at
> >same time--
>
> Well, I am a spiritual tutor, and a consensual sadomaschochist... and I
> talk to Goddess daily.. does that also make me a psychotic psychopath? No.
> At least, I think not..;P
> It does perhaps give me the background I need to offer you a different
> perspective, tho.
> I dunno what happened with the teacher, but unless she was physically
> abusing you, humiliating you or deliberately causing you pain that you
> wanted to feel, then it is NOT sado-masochistic.
> This word has two parts: sadist= likes to hurt others.. Maschochist=
> likes to be hurt.. do you like to be hurt? No.. you said it was "not your
> fault" so it was not something you asked for. So the proper term would be
> "abusive", not sado-masochistic.
> Not nearly such an emotionally charged word, "abusive", but perhaps more
> accurate?
>
> Is it accurate? You do not speak of your own feelings about the
> meditation teacher, except to guess she was in over her head, and now she's
> not returning your calls.
> Forgive her for this.. failure is hard for most folks to face, and
> spiritual evolution sometimes doesn't make it much easier, coz we come to
> expect so much more of ourselves. For healers, the hardest thing is seeing
> the ones we cannot help.
> Likely she is busy patching up her shredded self-confidence..
>
> The words your therapist might have been thinking of is
> "Dominant/submissive relationship". Not the same thing as sado-masochistic,
> although me and My slaves find they combine delicously well together.. with
> a nice chianti.. heh heh..
> (Not making fun of you, just seeking some humor, making fun of myself..)
>
> But of course your relationship with any teacher would be a
> "Dominant/submissive relationship", coz all that means is that one obeys
> the other. One leads, the other follows. Guru/seeker, teacher/student,
> parent/child, boss/employee... all of these are Dominant/submissive
> relationships.. and codependent on each otehr to exist.
> And so what? It is neccesary and functional to submit to lessons from
> your teacher if you wish to learn.
> Just as it is necessary to listen to your Doctor's advice, if you want to
> get better. Doctor/patient is also Dominant/submissive.
>
> Who told you "not my fault"? Was that your thought?
> I am wondering this, coz saying it is not your fault implies that it
> could have been, or that someone else is to blame... and to my mind, issues
> of fault and blame have no place in a conversation about Spirit.
> Things happen for Goddess' Divine purpose, and we don't ever necessarily
> find out why.. just trust that it does, it does, it does, and that there is
> going to be something really wonderful to come out of this, when it is
> resolved. It really is in your highest good, everything is.. tho it might
> be hard to think so sometimes, when you are feeling low.. but you are
> awakened, safe in Goddess arms... and all of these events have brought you
> here.. to a community of folks like yourself, who actually understand what
> you are talking about coz we've BEEN THERE!
> Folks here have felt what it is like to have Goddess take over
> everything.... at odd moments and with extreme intensity. We can reassure
> you that things really do always happen for the best.. when your faith is
> running low.
>
> What I find myself really wondering about is, if the therapist is so
> invested in helping you, and is so spiritually advanced, why is this person
> traumatizing you by undermining your faith in one of the few people you
> trust: your meditation teacher.. with negative labels?
> It is a truism that what we say about others, is always more true of
> ourselves, thru the mirror of All that Is. It might prove an interesting
> thought experiment, to ponder the mirror represented by your therapist's
> opinions, eh?
>
> Wanting to be a consensual sado-masochist, and not an abusive psychopath
> led me to study every type of abuse extensively.. so I would know the
> difference well.. and admittedly the info also comes in handy,
> professionally ;) coz some folks request very specific experiences of me..
> and pay cash.. strange world, eh?
> I will tell you, step 1 is to isolate the victim from sources of support
> or alternative opinions. Child abuse to cult brainwashing, the strategy
> always begins the same. Who has isolated you? Whose opinions became more
> important than your own?
>
> -Meditation teacher
> >told me to detach from the world and let ego die--I am desperate-
> >conflicted-confused and need hope, and light and stabillity--
> Ego sure puts up one heck of a fight, eh? Running around terrified,
> thinking you are tring to kill it. Wants to take you with it when it goes.
> That's not the plan, tho.. so stop trying to kill your ego, and make
> friends with it. It is not yours to kill, it too belongs to Goddess, and
> she will take it in her own time. Stop trying so hard, relax and smell the
> roses.
> I have heard before, of folks getting thoughts of suicide before the
> energy broke.. you are not going to die, physically.. but your present
> ideas about who you are, might.. to be reborn a new self, into the same
> body. This crisis will pass, and you will still be here with us, better
> than ever, helping others with your intuitive wisdom.
>
> Detachment.. it is a terrible word, we need to find a better word to
> explain what is needed.. folks think detachment means apathy... stop caring
> about what happens.. it doesn't.. it means to trust in what happens as a
> gift of Goddess, and live it fully, without fear for yourself.
> That means to immerse yourelf in the feelings that come, and feel them
> enough to name them precisely for what they are. Naming the Dragon gives
> you power over it, and so it flees! Emotions named leave your body, and you
> dicover another layer of emotion under it.. name that one too.. and when
> you have peeled tham all away, under it is the peace that passeth
> understanding. I recently wrote a long post about it, that I will forward
> to you.
>
> > Tom wrote:
> >1. Take up some highly creative activity if not already doing so.
> > These energies have a not completely undeserved reputation for
> > being destructive if deprived of a creative outlet..
> This is excellent advice!
> I would add, get a pen or some paints, and start to draw your fears..
> normally I don't tell folks to give their "darkness" more attention, but
> since it is grabbing you by the throat, it might be wise to see what it
> wants, get it outside yourself so you can look at it.. somehow. It does not
> matter if you cannot draw, that is not the point of the excercise.. the
> point is to manifest the fears outside of your body onto paper so you can
> burn them up, with the intent of releasing them so they are gone from your
> being. Transformed into light and warmth.. given up to Goddess to take care
> of.
> If you feel like it, draw the bliss, too.. and keep it around to look at,
> or burn it, also.. not to destroy it but as an offering to Goddess
> requesting more of the same, please, thankyou very much. Same actions, but
> different intentions.
> If it seems difficult, try using the hand you do not normally write with.
>
> >I need an enlightened master in meditation to mirror my Love and calm me--
> >please help
> >terribly confused, getting to many conflicting and frightening pieces of
> >advice from my alleged support system--but I can't go back--once this deeply
> >on spiritual path--
> >need tender support and clarity-
> Ya know what? You don't need a thing.. Goddess gives us exactly what we
> need, always.. just we have opinions that we think we know better, so we
> make things hard. You are making things harder with not just your
> ego-opinions, but also by taking on the opinions of those around you.. stop
> it.
> When the spiritual tutors all seem to turn sour and confusing, sometimes
> it is Goddess pushing you out of the nest. Time to fly with your own wings,
> my dear.. once this deeply on the spiritual path, as you put it.. the only
> truth that is absolutely 100% true for you, is that which is spoken by the
> voice of the opened heart.
> In this place, it is not answers you are seeking, but really good
> questions, to ask your self. Nobody else can have the answers for you.. and
> thus you are confused, trying to take answers that don't fit.. coz
> everybody you meet, is really talking about themselves, thru the mirror of
> all that is.
> Support to me, comes down to any expression that says "Hello. I am here.
> I love you."
> I get that, clarity comes of itself.
> We share stuff and learn from each other.. and we also learn from trees,
> food, cockroaches, rocks... ya know? They too offer us support and clarity,
> if we really listen.
> We enjoy the sharing and community, but each of us has our own "truths",
> and they define who we are. At the end of the day, the only opinion about
> you that matters, is your own. Goddess opinion counts also, but She knows
> you are perfect and totally worthy of unconditional love.. so don't worry,
> Her opinion will never change.
> Focus on Her love, and the things that You love, and stop worrying so
> much about what other people think of it. Love is the constant to hang onto
> when the confusion hits, and everything else seems uncertain. Follow your
> bliss. Do what you love.
>
> Get a few good, eternal questions, and ask them of your heart, several
> times a day.
> Who am I? (Goddess answering that one can be quite a trip!)
> What do I want most?
> What is most blissful about this moment?
> What higher truth do I most need to remember right now?
> What do I love most?
> What do I fear most? Why?
> What kind of comedy script would my fears make?
> What other disasters added on would make it even funnier?
> What am I most grateful for, right now?
>
> If you feel you want a therapist or teacher, then have one.. but they
> must play second fiddle to your own inner guru, Goddess' still, small voice
> of love. That is the only way for you to end your confusion. Choose one
> voice to listen to, about what you need.. the voice of Goddess, and have no
> other before it.. not even me! :D Pay attention to when your heart leaps
> with joy at recognition of truth spoken by another, but for the rest.. they
> have their opinion, and you have yours, and that is the way it is, and
> nothing needs to change.
> "Thank goodness we are all different," as Alice in Wonderland said..
> "imagine how boring it would be if we were all the same?"
>
> Go looking for "the truth that makes you laugh".. watch some brilliant
> comedy.. laugh yer ass off at Charlie Chaplin or Gorucho Marx.. sing and
> dance and celerate your life. Take your bliss to hospitals, and use it to
> cheer up folks that really are dying, and are way more scared than you. Get
> yer head out of yer navel and start looking for Goddess in your fellow
> humans. The best way to get your mind of your own problems, is to focus on
> helping somebody who is having a harder time than you. Go play with
> terminally ill children for a while.. volunteer to hold their hands and
> read them stories.
>
> -and can't see the light
> >except in moments of bliss--but that's experience not true transformation-
> It is transformation. the bliss is the evolution happening, incrementally
> in bursts.. each burst clears a little more karma..
>
> Hope it helps.. Blessings, Mystress.
>
> Mystress Angelique Serpent,
> Dominant Experiential Facilitator.
> Website= http://www.domin8rex.com/serpent
> :D ;) :0 :) ;P :0 ;) :D :0 :) ;P :0 ;) :)
> Common sense and a sense of humor are the same thing, moving at
> different speeds. A sense of humor is just common sense, dancing.
> -- Clive James
> ^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^
> Vancouver, B.C., Canada. Officially the most beautiful city in the world.
Date: Thu, 4 Dec 1997 12:00:49 -0600 (CST)
From: "Debora A. Orf" <dorf01ATnospammail.win.org>
To: kundalini-lATnospamlists.execpc.com
Subject: what i want for christmas
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less me
less you
less me & you
less gimme
less takeme
less gimme & takeme
more gifts
that you
dont gotta ask for.
like smiles,
hand holding,
embracing and laughing.
less ego-view
more view.
more coffeecups
holding the universe
less coffecups
just holding
cold coffee.
more eyes seeing lifefire
less eyes killing lifefire
--janpa
--sitting by the mental seashore with the grains of abundant universes
walked by the dinasaurs....
Date: Thu, 4 Dec 1997 13:43:28 -0500
From: Mike Stickles <msticklesATnospamantalys.com>
To: Kirk Anderson <d242kaosATnospamgte.net>
Cc: Kundalini List Posts <kundalini-lATnospamexecpc.com>
Subject: RE: Doctrine (was RE: Multi-orgasmic)
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Kirk wrote:
><snip> Even in the (severely pared-down, post 4th
>century version of the) Bible, there are many explicit
>referrences to reincarnation. <snip>
Where? I'd be interested to see what Scriptures would be
considered to be references to reincarnation.
The incompatibility is traced to the Scripture, "It is
destined for man to die once, and after that comes the
judgement." The only two Scriptures I've ever heard used
to try to support reincarnation are (1) the mention of
Elisha inheriting a double portion of Elijah's spirit, and (2)
John the Baptist being "the Elijah who was to come." (I'm
on a business trip and forgot my Bible so I can't give the
exact references).
The problem with (1) is that Elisha was already alive when
Elijah was taken up to heaven, so that could not refer to
reincarnation in the sense I usually hear it (that so-and-so
is really this other person in a new incarnation); and (2)
has to be interpreted in light of John's flat denial that he
was Elijah, the simplest interpretation being to use another
verse saying that John came "in the spirit and power of
Elijah" so that the original verse did not mean Elijah himself
would come, but someone like Elijah in his ministry. Thus,
God's statement that "I will send to you Elijah..." was a
metaphor, not literal.
Karma is indeed similar to Biblical teaching, which is why
I specified karma as used in a reincarnational context in
my parenthetical note. The idea that "as you sow, so shall
you reap", is in some form a staple of almost every formal
belief system on Earth - a good indication that it is likely
a fundamental truth, like the "Golden rule" and others.
As to personal experience - I've personally had recall of
other lives from before my time. During meditations, I have
occasionally experienced episodes which relate to the
lives of a minor German noble during the Middle Ages, and
a Confederate soldier during the American Civil War (not
something I enjoy, since their deaths are most often what
I wind up tuning in to). But this does not automatically
indicate to me that these are memories of my own lives in
past incarnations. There are several possible interpretations:
(1) The favorite explanation of some of my Christian friends
is that these "memories" are demonic. This may be true in
some cases, but I don't buy it for my experience - I've had
dealings with the demonic before, and this doesn't have the
same "feel".
(2) It could be a product of my imagination, sort of a self-
consistent "dream". Possible, but the "quality" of the
memories seem inconsistent with that in my opinion.
(3) It could be a variation on cross-time remote viewing. In
other words, I may for some reason be "tuning in" to some
one in another time and psychically experiencing their
lives from the inside (instead of viewing from the outside
as in standard remote viewing). Certain particular lives may
predominate due to their strong "resonance" with my spirit.
(4) Perhaps I have "inherited" some portion of their spirit,
including memories (or a "copy" thereof), but not that which
is their essence. That is, the "I" of them has passed on to
judgement, but part of what they were has passed on to me.
I tend to believe that (3) or (4) is the most likely explanation.
In either case, these "past-lives" tell me something about
myself, whether because they are incorporated into my own
being (4) or because I resonate with them (3). Even if (2)
were true, they would be as relevant to me as my dreams.
The difference between my belief and reincarnation is that
in my belief, this life is it for me. Any lessons I don't learn
in this life I won't get another shot at in a new life. Once you
"pass Go", so to speak, it's on to the afterlife.
I like to use Occam's razor (in a nutshell: the simplest
explanation consistent with the observed facts is probably
the correct one) in interpreting my experiences, though in
this case which explanation you see as "simplest" will
depend greatly on your existing belief system or worldview.
Hope that clarifies where I was coming from. If you can find
references to Scriptures that appear to explicitly (or even
implicitly) refer to reincarnation, would you send them to me?
I'd love to look at them and see how they impact my current
understanding.
- Mike
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