1997/12/03 22:23
kundalini-l-d Digest V97 #787
kundalini-l-d Digest Volume 97 : Issue 787
Today's Topics:
Re: Intro from Pam [ acarre <acarreATnospamconcentric.net> ]
Re: kundalini-l-d Digest V97 #771 [ DonBBenson <DonBBensonATnospamaol.com> ]
Re: Multi-orgasmic [ DonBBenson <DonBBensonATnospamaol.com> ]
Re: Enlightenment [ Kurt Keutzer <keutzerATnospamsynopsys.com> ]
Re: Kundalini Meditation [ TDVW36AATnospamprodigy.com ( THOMAS SMITH) ]
Re: Multi-orgasmic [ Ruth Trimble <trimbleATnospamhawaii.edu> ]
Doctrine (was RE: Multi-orgasmic) [ Mike Stickles <msticklesATnospamantalys.co ]
Re: Celibacy and Enlightenment-A sho [ Gloria Greco <lodpressATnospamintercomm.co ]
Fw: From Pillar Of Celestial Fire (f [ "Kirk Anderson" <d242kaosATnospamgte.net> ]
Re: What is Going On? [ Susanne Macrae <smacraeATnospamcamtech.net ]
Re: From Pillar Of Celestial Fire (f [ TomWinans <tomwinansATnospamearthlink.net> ]
Re: Enlightenment [ Susanne Macrae <smacraeATnospamcamtech.net ]
The shakes [ ori^ <oriATnospameskimo.com> ]
Re: Multi-orgasmic & desperate need [ STARNYCATnospamaol.com ]
Date: Wed, 03 Dec 1997 14:18:08 -0500
From: acarre <acarreATnospamconcentric.net>
To: Jim R Christopherson <jim.christophersonATnospamjuno.com>
CC: kundalini-lATnospamlists.execpc.com
Subject: Re: Intro from Pam
Message-ID: <3485B06E.6D032363ATnospamconcentric.net>
Jim R Christopherson wrote:
> I am tired of just getting by and going through the motions of an
> existence. I am tired of not meeting or knowing many people who do not
>
> understand what I talk about. I joined this group just a couple of
> weeks
> ago with the hope of meeting people who were sincere and genuine and
> could speak my language.
Hi Jim,
Not understanding you would be hard... You talk directly from your soul,
from your heart. No filters or structures to try to hide who you are. A
breath of fresh air in my day. A lesson of humility and listening and
sharing. Thank you, for your post, from the deepest in me.
Love
Antoine
"I live for the day where my yet unborn children will be born to come to
see me as I am, without having to built all those babylon towers around
them before"
Date: Wed, 3 Dec 1997 15:58:45 EST
From: DonBBenson <DonBBensonATnospamaol.com>
To: chooseagainATnospamthegrid.net
Cc: kundalini-lATnospamlists.execpc.com
Subject: Re: kundalini-l-d Digest V97 #771
Message-ID: <5878c182.3485c807ATnospamaol.com>
In a message dated 97-11-30 13:28:23 EST, you write:
<< This could be bigger than Promise Keepers! (and maybe should be!!) Get it
on Oprah and the Six O'Clock news. You owe to the species...!!
>>
What do you think God had in mind when He said <For this cause a man shall
leave his father and mother and be joined to his wife, and the two shall
become one flesh>?
Date: Wed, 3 Dec 1997 15:58:42 EST
From: DonBBenson <DonBBensonATnospamaol.com>
To: trimbleATnospamhawaii.edu
Cc: kundalini-lATnospamlists.execpc.com
Subject: Re: Multi-orgasmic
Message-ID: <d8dab282.3485c804ATnospamaol.com>
In a message dated 97-11-28 17:29:32 EST, you write:
<< This forum
is not a religious forum. No one is debating doctrine here.
It is for discussion of topics related to K. >>
Dear Ruth:
Are your doctrines - what you are teaching in every post - not debatable in
this forum?
Doctrine means teaching. Virtually all discussion of topics related to K
involves religious teaching of some kind on some level. Are you having
trouble tolerating disagreement with your sacred doctrines?
Don
Date: Wed, 03 Dec 1997 13:51:12 -0800
From: Kurt Keutzer <keutzerATnospamsynopsys.com>
To: "Harsh K. Luthar" <hlutharATnospambryant1.bryant.edu>
Cc: "Harsh K. Luthar" <hlutharATnospambryant.edu>, kundalini-lATnospamlists.execpc.com
Subject: Re: Enlightenment
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Harsh wrote:
>To associate Kevala Nirvikalpa Samadhi with the breaking of Granthis is
>considered an error in Jnana Yoga.
>>
>Kurt responded: I think it's comments like this that begin to get us
>onto slippery
>> territory. It's not that what you're saying is unprecedented it's that I
>> don't know where you're coming from (i.e. from what tradition you are
>> speaking) when you say it.
Harsh continues:
>
>Since I followed the Classical Hatha Yoga Path involving raising of
>Kundalini (before starting on the Jnana path) it was necessary to break
>the three granthis and go through various stages before Recognition of
>the Self. However, for someone who has followed the path of Jnana from
>the beginning, Kevala Nirvikalpa Samadhi *can* result without first
>making a direct attempt to raise the Kundalini.
Without making a direct attempt for sure. The question still arises whether
the kundalini quietly awakens anyway. Ditto for Dzogchen (are you listening
Janpa?)
Harsh continues:
In fact it has happened
>in rare cases with Ramana Maharishi being the prime example. The Sage
>spontaneously realized the Self when he was barely 17 and remained in
>the Sahaj state until his physical departure at the age of 70. Ramana
>Maharishi was visited by many who were considered the greatest Kundalini
>Masters of the day, including Swami Yogananda, the founder of
>Self-Realization Fellowship, I believe Swami Nityananda, and Swami Rama
>to name just a few who are known in the U.S.
Ramana Maharshi is an interesting case. He describes his ``amrita nadi'' at
the heart to the sahasra - and he appears to have felt that his subtle
anatomy was at least coincidental with his realization. The classical
upanishads make many references to the subtle anatomy is well.
There is a recorded lecture with Swami Muktananda in which someone asks ``
if Ramana Maharshi didn't have kriyas and all this kundalini stuff why do
they?'' Muktananda apparently gets mad and notes that he personally knew
that Ramana Maharshi did have manifestations of kundalini. I think it is
clear from his journals that even the ``jnani'' Krishnamurti did as well.
One of the things I'd still ask you to clarify is what you mean by jnana
yoga. I think that would help me to understand some of your statements.
It's not that I'm trying to pigeonhole you - it's that the term ``jnana
yoga'' is almost an oxymoron to me.
>
>Enlightenment or Self-Realization may certainly take place independent
>of the traditional Kundalini system. On certain paths. gaining knowledge
>of granthis, Chakras and subtle nerves is considered wholly irrelevant.
>This creates confusion in the minds of many.
>
>I am convinced that without Self-Realization, it is not possible to
>reconcile the different paths. And afterwards, it is not necessary!:-)
One would think that the great realized masters would at least agree among
theirselves - but they do not. I think that this is one of the reasons
there is so little consistency and progress is the exposition of the
spiritual path. In other words, the exposition of the spiritual path has
probably degraded in the last 300 years rather than improved.
Thanks for the interesting discussion and may all sentient beings find
comfort and joy!
Kurt
Date: Wed, 3 Dec 1997 17:28:04, -0500
From: TDVW36AATnospamprodigy.com ( THOMAS SMITH)
To: divine_goddessATnospamhotmail.com, kundalini-lATnospamexecpc.com
Subject: Re: Kundalini Meditation
Message-Id: <199712032228.RAA14870ATnospammime4.prodigy.com>
"One of the best Kundalini meditations I have found is a movement
meditation by the Osho foundation called appropriately enough,
Kundalini Meditation."
Blessings,
Susan
======================
Thank you Susan :>
I do on-line Reiki Healing along with meditation.
I was hoping to find a Kundalini Meditation to
play.........new awareness for many.
I write my own but am always looking for new ideas!
Love in Light, and Laughter
Tom
Date: Wed, 3 Dec 1997 12:57:28 -1000
From: Ruth Trimble <trimbleATnospamhawaii.edu>
To: DonBBenson <DonBBensonATnospamaol.com>
cc: kundalini-lATnospamlists.execpc.com
Subject: Re: Multi-orgasmic
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> << This forum
> is not a religious forum. No one is debating doctrine here.
> It is for discussion of topics related to K. >>
> Are your doctrines - what you are teaching in every post - not debatable in
> this forum?
Please translate...not sure I know what you are asking here.
> Doctrine means teaching.
Well yes.. but the meaning of 'doctrine' I meant was
per the Oxford English..."That which is taught or laid down as true
concerning a particular subject or department of knowledge, as religion,
politics etc."
Virtually all discussion of topics related to K
> involves religious teaching of some kind on some level.
I think you will make many nervous with your declaration.
I do not see that. If it is about K. it is universal. Can you say the
acting of sleeping or defecating has to do with a religion? I see K. as
an almost biological facet of the human species... if the religious dogma
has gotten hold of it and shrouded it in secrecy, or if the relgions claim
it as their own it still does not make it the domain of religion. Thank
God !
Such discussions do center around some religions, but I think what
you are confused about is what religion is.."A state of life bound by
monastic vows...a particular monastic or religious order or rule...action
or conduct indicatina belief in, reverence for, and desire to please a
divine ruling power; the exercise or practice or rites or observances
implying this..."
Dear Don...Beloved K. is no more about
religious teaching than is any other aspect of human experience.
If you are saying that Hinduism is a religion, I would also hesitate to
jump into this one.. since I believe it is a philosophy.
> trouble tolerating
disagreement with your sacred doctrines? >
> Don
I am having no trouble with tolerating disagreement about sacred
doctrines, since I have few and these I do not share with the list. I am
having trouble with your tone and attitude on the other hand.
I hope that the Mercury retrograde can reverse this somewhat.
Ruth
*****
Date: Wed, 3 Dec 1997 19:47:34 -0500
From: Mike Stickles <msticklesATnospamantalys.com>
To: kundalini-lATnospamlists.execpc.com
Cc: Ruth Trimble <trimbleATnospamhawaii.edu>, DonBBenson <DonBBensonATnospamaol.com>
Subject: Doctrine (was RE: Multi-orgasmic)
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Definitions aside, I think what Don is referring to when
he says :
>Virtually all discussion of topics related to K
>involves religious teaching of some kind on some
>level.
is just that, in interpreting K. experiences, many on the
list make philosophical assumptions which fall into the
domain of religious teachings. The most oft-occurring
example would be the assumption of reincarnation (the
talk of "karma" usually refers to its effects from one
incarnation to the next, to be non-technical, vague and
kinda simplistic about it). Reincarnation as it is usually
understood is not compatible with Christian doctrine,
so what Ruth would probably see as just a matter of
philosophy would to Don (or me) be a matter of doctrine.
K. itself is not a matter of doctrine, it is more properly a
matter of our personal experiences. However, the way
K. experiences are interpreted will be through our own
"filters" of religious belief, metaphysical philosophy,
call it what you will (the overlap between religion and
philosophy is so great that, though I spoke of them as
separate above, I really believe that it is impossible to
fully separate them). Discussion of K. will thus usually
be greatly influenced by doctrine/teaching/beliefs.
- Mike
Date: Wed, 03 Dec 1997 17:25:00 +0100
From: Gloria Greco <lodpressATnospamintercomm.com>
To: "Harsh K. Luthar" <hlutharATnospambryant1.bryant.edu>
CC: kundalini-lATnospamexecpc.com, heartzenATnospamlistserv.servtech.com
Subject: Re: Celibacy and Enlightenment-A short story
Message-ID: <348587DC.28FEATnospamintercomm.com>
Here is some great sharing from Harsh, did she come back the next week?
Gloria
Harsh K. Luthar wrote:
>
> At the age 22, I was training to be a monk. I used to make a living
> teaching Yoga at a major health club in NYC. Beautiful models and
> actresses wearing revealing work out clothes came there everyday and it
> was a challenge to not be distracted. On top of it, my job required me
> to take measurements of the members when they first joined and show them
> how to use various machines. In order to remain chaste, I tried not to
> make eye contact with the women and looked at their shoulders or past
> them when holding a conversation.
>
> One day, a particularly stunning female member joined and was assigned
> to me. After I took the measurements, she requested that I feel her
> buttocks ("Tush" as she put it) for firmness. I was stunned. "How will
> you know if I have gotten firmer unless you have something to compare it
> to," she said, and insisted that I comply. My supervisor standing next
> to me said, "We have to please our customers!" So with the blood rushing
> to my face and neck with embarassment and practically in tears, I did as
> I was told. She was quite firm.
>
> After that it became a weekly ritual for her. She insisted at the end of
> each week that I determine the extent of her firmness in that area. And
> feeling that this was part of my job duties, I methodically and
> carefully did so each week and gave my report to her.
>
> Some months went by and one day she did not show up as scheduled. A
> friend, a fellow Yogi, knowing my plight said to me, "You are spared
> this week. It must bother you that you have to do this as part of your
> job." I could not resist smiling. "No it does not bother me anymore
> David," I said. "I am more concerned about the fact that I have started
> to look forward to it!" And we laughed and laughed and laughed.
>
> Harsh
--
Enter The Silence to Know God ... and... accept life as the teacher.
Gloria Joy Greco
e-mail me at : lodpressATnospamintercomm.com and visit our homepages at:
http://users.intercomm.com/larryn/
&
http://www.freeyellow.com/members/zg888/
Hope you enjoy them!
Date: Wed, 3 Dec 1997 20:43:42 -0500
From: "Kirk Anderson" <d242kaosATnospamgte.net>
To: "Kundalini List Posts" <kundalini-lATnospamexecpc.com>
Subject: Fw: From Pillar Of Celestial Fire (fwd)
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Hello all!
This from another list which I subscribe to. I imagine it is not new to
many of you, but it was certainly thought-provoking for me!
-----Original Message-----
From: Uaxac Cib <AsciiexpATnospamCONCENTRIC.NET>
To: Multiple recipients of list NOVELTY <NOVELTYATnospamSERVICES.WEB.AOL.COM>
Date: Wednesday, December 03, 1997 12:47 AM
Subject: From Pillar Of Celestial Fire (fwd)
>wow. talk about synchronicity... this talks about the Diamond Body.
>
>Currently listening to: Feed me weird things, by Squarepusher
>Austin of the Blue-White Ray, 8 Cib - Yellow Galactic Warrior
>Check out my New web construct http://www.concentric.net/~asciiexp/
> *****Ceiling fan maintenance specialist since 1943! *****
>Any "errors" in this message occur from the encrypted coexisting message.
>
>---------- Forwarded message ----------
>Subject: From Pillar Of Celestial Fire
>
>http://www.celestialfire.com
>
>
>The Process of Spiritual Regeneration
>~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~
>
>The coming flood of celestial fire represents a very real phenomenon
>that will have important implications for every aspect of our lives.
>To properly understand this phenomenon and its implications, we need
>to examine the interaction between subtle energy and ordinary atomic
>matter.
>
>At the dawn of the New Golden Age, we believe that there will be an
>enormous infusion of subtle energy or celestial fire into every atom on
>our planet. This infusion will have a profound impact upon the bodies
>of all organic beings because it will literally "cook" the atoms from
>within themselves, releasing both heat and light in the process. This
>phenomenon is due to the process of "subtle fusion" that must occur
>whenever ordinary atomic matter is placed in a high-density field of
>subtle energy.
>
>Subtle fusion should not be confused with thermonuclear fusion. In
>thermonuclear fusion, protons and/or neutrons are captured by the
>nucleus of an atom, and this capture results in the sudden formation
>of a new atomic element. Such reactions can be initiated only in the
>presence of incredibly high temperatures, such as those at the heart
>of the sun. In addition, they generate enormous quantities of heat and
>deadly gamma radiation as their by-products.
>
>In a subtle fusion reaction, on the other hand, the atomic nucleus
>captures subtle particles, each of which has a mass that is trillions
>of times less than that of an electron. These captured subtle particles
>then are incorporated into the internal structure of the nucleus, which
>changes gradually by degrees until a new stable state is reached. An
>atom that is subjected to this gradual fusion process may be said to be
>cooked by celestial fire. At the time of Illumination, every atom,
>molecule, and cell on Earth will be slowly cooked from within by
>celestial fire.
>
>As a result of this comparatively gentle, slow-cooking process, both
>heat energy (or infrared radiation) and visible light is released from
>the atomic nucleus, but there is no gamma ray production. The production
>of light and heat in the evolving soul is a well-documented phenomenon.
>The current of subtle energy that flows along the spine during an
>intense spiritual spiritual awakening is often described as producing
>large amounts of heat in the body. In addition, those who have observed
>such individuals have reported them as "glowing", "luminous" and
>"radiant".
>
>Based upon this common experience, the ancient Vedic seers referred to
>all forms of intense spiritual practice as forms of tapas ("heating").
>The heat that is experienced during such practices is due to the fusion
>of subtle energy into the nuclei of the atoms within the body. As the
>body absorbs more subtle energy, it becomes more evolved, more
>spiritualized, and spontaneously evolves to a higher level of
>self-organization. New pathways of subtle energy are forged in the body
>to handle more intense currents of spiritual power, and the structure
>and chemistry of the gross body adapts to reflect this new pattern of
>subtle energy flow.
>
>Although the heat generated through the subtle fusion process may cause
>some discomfort, once the fusion process is complete, and a new level
>of internal self-organization has been stabilized, the subtle spiritual
>body becomes much more powerful and coherent, and a higher level of
>consciousness and spiritual bliss is enjoyed by the individual.
>
>Subtle fusion may thus be understood as the key to the process of
>spiritual regeneration. Through periodic exposure to high levels of
>subtle energy, the spiritual body of the individual may be gradually
>evolved and regenerated to any level of perfection. According to the
>ancient seers, this culminates in the development of the immortal
>diamond body, the Mer-ka-ba, or vehicle for ascension into the celestial
>realms. This hyper-esoteric knowledge was primarily possessed by the
>practicioners of ancient Alchemy, who claimed to use both the
>Philosopher's stone and sacred Chambers of Light to accomplish the
>process of spiritual resurrection and obtain bodily immortality.
>
>Now that we stand at the threshold of a New Golden Age, it is time for
>this knowledge to reemerge in our collective awareness, thus opening the
>door for the rapid spiritual and physical regeneration of the human
>race. We believe that these technologies must be researched, developed,
>and made available to the entire human population as quickly as
>possible. Anyone interested in this research is encouraged to contact
>one of the organizations listed at the bottom of this page.
>^
>^
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>^============
Date: Thu, 04 Dec 1997 12:29:47 +1030
From: Susanne Macrae <smacraeATnospamcamtech.net.au>
To: Kundalini-lATnospamexecpc.com
Subject: Re: What is Going On?
Message-ID: <34860E93.7A16ATnospamcamtech.net.au>
My friend said she feels like she is treading water in the twilight
zone. My word for the month is "despair". Overwhelming, unequivocal,
irrational, profound, pendulous, embracing, insidious despair. Somehow
in between bouts of this despair I can briefly recognise my "normal"
state of optimism and peace, fleetingly before I sink again.
Sue
Date: Wed, 03 Dec 1997 18:13:36 -0800
From: TomWinans <tomwinansATnospamearthlink.net>
To: kundalini-lATnospamlists.execpc.com
Subject: Re: From Pillar Of Celestial Fire (fwd)
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Dear K Friends,
And here is a comment that I made of this post on that
other mailing list.
>The coming flood of celestial fire represents a very real phenomenon
>that will have important implications for every aspect of our lives.
>To properly understand this phenomenon and its implications, we need
>to examine the interaction between subtle energy and ordinary atomic
>matter.
I see this as a very key part of our collective process that I've
often talked about, although there are two things I'd disagree with:
>In a subtle fusion reaction, on the other hand, the atomic nucleus
>captures subtle particles, each of which has a mass that is trillions
>of times less than that of an electron. These captured subtle particles
>then are incorporated into the internal structure of the nucleus, which
>changes gradually by degrees until a new stable state is reached. An
>atom that is subjected to this gradual fusion process may be said to be
>cooked by celestial fire. At the time of Illumination, every atom,
>molecule, and cell on Earth will be slowly cooked from within by
>celestial fire.
Rather than looking at it as subtle particles, etc....It's much simpler
(not to mention easier to reconcile with orthodox science) to simply
look at this subtle energy flow as a time reverse anti-entropic thermal
energy flow in what physicists would call momentum-space....there are
no particles involved other than the ones our universe is already made
of....just a flow of energy that by being contrary to our existing
timeline opens up the possibility for a 2nd dimension of time to start
unfolding (in our continuum).
>Now that we stand at the threshold of a New Golden Age, it is time for
>this knowledge to reemerge in our collective awareness, thus opening the
>door for the rapid spiritual and physical regeneration of the human
>race. We believe that these technologies must be researched, developed,
>and made available to the entire human population as quickly as
>possible. Anyone interested in this research is encouraged to contact
>one of the organizations listed at the bottom of this page.
I feel this technology bit is overrated with regards to this.....Yes maybe
someday we will invent machines that can handle this kind of thing, but I
suspect that the main flow will be through our flesh....through the cells of
our bodies....and yes, this energy does cook until tender....and then some.
As I see it, technology has it's purpose, just not in this area. Think
about it, how does one go about constructing a machine that is localized
in momentum-space.....very difficult problem.
-----
Surfing The Ecstatic Tsunami of Life & Love ~~~ Tom.
Date: Thu, 04 Dec 1997 13:46:09 +1030
From: Susanne Macrae <smacraeATnospamcamtech.net.au>
To: Kurt Keutzer <keutzerATnospamsynopsys.com>
CC: Kundalini-lATnospamexecpc.com
Subject: Re: Enlightenment
Message-ID: <34862079.2171ATnospamcamtech.net.au>
Kurt Keutzer wrote:
>
>
> One would think that the great realized masters would at least agree among
> theirselves - but they do not. I think that this is one of the reasons
> there is so little consistency and progress is the exposition of the
> spiritual path. In other words, the exposition of the spiritual path has
> probably degraded in the last 300 years rather than improved.
>
I am not a student of any of the realized masters, any other master,
philosophy or religious path. I AM a student of Kundalini's impact on
my physical, spiritual, mental and emotional being.
It is my belief that no one person, philosophy or religion has all the
answers to the questions of the spiritual. I've got my little piece of
the jigsaw and may be able to understand how and where I fit into the
big picture but it doesn't mean I can see the big picture.
If the "great realized masters cannot agree amongst themselves" is this
not just confirmation that they, like us, don't have all the answers.
That they only have their piece of the jigsaw to relate to?
I have felt in recent times that the only true and valid teacher is the
inner teacher or highest self. When we teach others our truth aren't we
denying them the opportunity to seek out their truth?
Perhaps like the holographic model, each individual reality is whole and
complete within itself regardless of how it relates to another. As it
shifts and changes (as is wont to do) it still remains whole and
complete.
Maybe the big picture is beyond us all (realized masters included)?
Love, sue
Date: Wed, 03 Dec 1997 20:05:07 -0800
From: ori^ <oriATnospameskimo.com>
To: Kundalini-l <kundalini-lATnospamexecpc.com>
Subject: The shakes
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Since I started practicing yoga during the summer, I've had
increasing moments where parts of my body shake spontaneously
as the energy begins to flow. So far it has mostly been during
the practice of yoga or meditation.
The last few weeks as I've been undergoing some kinda major
shifting/transformation, the energy shakes have increased in
frequency.
Last night I had a massage, and this morning a chiropractic
adjustment... and all day today, the shaking has been steadily
with me, in spite of no meditating or yoga since yesterday morning.
I often feel I walk around all day in a meditative state anyway...
it is very easy for me to shift my focus and be into a deepened
state of consciousness.
I am able to still the shaking when I need to-- when I'm walking
around at work for example, but as soon as I'm back in a quiet
private place the shaking starts again. It has never been this
steady before. It kind of took me by surprise.
>From what I've read and heard, it seems that this can be part of
the process. I know ultimately that I need to listen to my own body
wisdom to allow the energy to find a way through. On the one hand it
seems a sign of progress... that something is really moving.
On the other hand, I'm not sure it is necessary.
I'm wondering what some of the collective wisdom is regarding how
best to work with this process. Also interested in the personal
experiences of others...
Thanks,
ori^
ori^ oriATnospameskimo.com ICQ: 2918880
http://www.eskimo.com/~ori/ori.html
Date: Thu, 4 Dec 1997 00:00:50 -0500 (EST)
From: STARNYCATnospamaol.com
To: trimbleATnospamhawaii.edu, DonBBensonATnospamaol.com
cc: kundalini-lATnospamlists.execpc.com
Subject: Re: Multi-orgasmic & desperate need for help
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I thought last June when I started having cosmic orgasms of rainbow light
that after a quick painful then blissful movement thoughtout my chakras to
the crown in five minutes, that my channels were clearing. I have been
multi-orgasmic for years, so all this has been a delight--now turned
nightmare! My spiritual therapist says I have K,
but I think I might have a deep level of alternative consciousness from
meditation that Jack Kornfield says occurs in Buddhist meditation. I
alternate between flowing of the heart to the universe, bliss and suicidal
depression. I am terrified becasue my spiritual therapist said that I had a
sado-masochistic relationship with my meditation teacher, not my fault--and
that my teacher's god experiences are psychotic--the teacher who was in over
her head said she would be my friend--and was lovely two weeks ago and said
she would meditate with me again--and is now not returning my phone
calls--ITherapist said that I have acute trauma from teacher and K process at
same time--I want to go back to teaching at the University--I can't bear the
isolation and friends not understanding--and boyfriend frightened after
knowing me for 9 years and having seen everything--I am in panic and
semi-suicidal--have no family and close friends to trust--Meditation teacher
told me to detach from the world and let ego die--I am desperate-
conflicted-confused and need hope, and light and stabillity--
and a teacher with higher consciousness then mine--my meditation teacher said
I was self-realized but not enlightened--that I knew god--but I can't control
my mood swings and was very social with phone ringing and lots of interesting
work--and have no family or anyone who takes me seriously except the
psychological pathologizers--
need hope and light and clarity--are any of you in New York that I could
speak to?
I need an enlightened master in meditation to mirror my Love and calm me--
please help
terribly confused, getting to many conflicting and frightening pieces of
advice from my alleged support system--but I can't go back--once this deeply
on spiritual path--
need tender support and clarity--my love flows and flows and not
returned--the intensity frightens my friends--
please help, I have courage, have been writing theatre reviews for Web--
but need to fulfill Dharma and help others--but have lost
my joy and stability--
Therapist says not to do much--but I am happiest with fun activities, not
deep spiritual and psychological work at this moment--and can't see the light
except in moments of bliss--but that's experience not true transformation--go
into Unity space from time to time--relief--but erractic--
please help--
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