1997/11/27 06:08
kundalini-l-d Digest V97 #770
kundalini-l-d Digest Volume 97 : Issue 770
Today's Topics:
Re: Urddhvareta [ Ruth Trimble <trimbleATnospamhawaii.edu> ]
Re: The thinker feels [ Blythe <merlinATnospampnn.com> ]
Re: Urddhvareta [ PaulATnospamlouisville.lib.ky.us ]
Re: The 'I' [ "F. Drew " <leydaATnospamvalunet.com> ]
Re: Urddhvareta [ "Harsh K. Luthar" <hlutharATnospamresearch ]
Re: The 'I' [ "Jason S. White" <zymphtATnospambluewin.ch ]
Here it is... the Oreo divination!!! [ Blythe <merlinATnospampnn.com> ]
Re: Urddhvareta [ "Harsh K. Luthar" <hlutharATnospamresearch ]
Re: Thanksgiving [ "Jason S. White" <zymphtATnospambluewin.ch ]
Re: The 'I' [ "Harsh K. Luthar" <hlutharATnospamresearch ]
Re: The thinker feels [ M <chooseagainATnospamthegrid.net> ]
Re: Urddhvareta [ Teresa <TGarlandATnospamVIPMail.com> ]
Heavy Duty Kriyas [ Teresa <TGarlandATnospamVIPMail.com> ]
If only it were so easy [ Daniel James Giszczak <danjgATnospamengin. ]
Re: The thinker feels [ Daniel James Giszczak <danjgATnospamengin. ]
Re: Urddhvareta [ Daniel James Giszczak <danjgATnospamengin. ]
Re: The thinker feels [ "F. Drew " <leydaATnospamvalunet.com> ]
urdhvareta [ Kurt Keutzer <keutzerATnospamsynopsys.com> ]
Now [ quietstar1ATnospamjuno.com (Carolyn C Malo ]
Re: The thinker feels (but needs sle [ amckeonATnospamhsmail.nfld.k12.mn.us ]
Re: The Ever-Neverlasting [ "Jason S. White" <zymphtATnospambluewin.ch ]
No thanksgiving thanks unless for re [ Dieter Dambiec <d.dambiecATnospamstudent.c ]
Date: Wed, 26 Nov 1997 06:36:26 -1000
From: Ruth Trimble <trimbleATnospamhawaii.edu>
To: Gloria Greco <lodpressATnospamintercomm.com>
cc: hlutharATnospamkeynes.bryant.edu, Mike Stickles <msticklesATnospamantalys.com>,
kundalini-lATnospamlists.execpc.com
Subject: Re: Urddhvareta
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Hi Gloria:
I would very much liketo hear what Harsh has to say too: >>
Yes Ruth, it is the upward movement, while it is rare occassion when it
actually manifests to the fullness, it is what will bring it all
together. This is why the sexual energies are so sacred and important to
go into transformation and never to be misused. In India I understand it
means the same things as enlightenment. I would like to hear what Harsh
has to say since he is also into Tantra. Gloria>>
What do you say Harsh?
Ruth
******
Your whole life is a cyclone of change, of changing scenes, changing
colors; but just in the middle of the cyclone there is a silent center.
That is YOU. (Osho)
----------------------------------------------------------------------
Ruth Trimble email:<trimbleATnospamhawaii.edu>
http://166.122.32.61/trimble/
*****
Date: Wed, 26 Nov 1997 08:55:36 -0800 (PST)
From: Blythe <merlinATnospampnn.com>
To: kundalini-lATnospamexecpc.com
Subject: Re: The thinker feels
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Good morning Nancy and amckeon.
I lie awake at night, too, but obsessed by emotionthinking, not clear
thought. This is very hard for me to let go of: replaying past and future
possibles. I like the thought that it may be a way to not feel, or to make
feeling safe by wrapping it in words and constructs. I don't like losing the
sleep, though, as I tend to zombie through the following day.
Recently, since I also have problems grounding, I respond to these states
not by trying to let go or quiet the brain, but by meditating on rock and
earth. I become a mossy granite boulder lying in loamy earth beside a
stream. The emotionthoughts are irrelevant to the experience of old granite,
deep earth, growing moss, dappling sun, chuckling stream. This is actually
starting to work. Don't know yet if it'll help me ground when I am up so far
I can't remember any reasons to come back, but it may.
B
Date: Wed, 26 Nov 1997 12:18:44 -0500
From: PaulATnospamlouisville.lib.ky.us
To: kundalini-lATnospamexecpc.com
Subject: Re: Urddhvareta
Message-Id: <E0xal6p-0004qN-00ATnospamiglou1>
I was wondering how self-stimulation, self-pleasure (i.e. mastrubation) is
viewed within the context of tantra. Please comment at your convenience.
Thank you.
Paul
Date: Wed, 26 Nov 1997 10:56:45 -0000
From: "F. Drew " <leydaATnospamvalunet.com>
To: "Mike Stickles" <msticklesATnospamantalys.com>, <kundalini-lATnospamexecpc.com>
Subject: Re: The 'I'
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From: Mike Stickles <msticklesATnospamantalys.com>
>In a book I have called "How to Meditate" there is an
>interesting meditation on "Who am I?" which I have
>never tried, but after reading these posts I think I
>might do so.
*******************************
I like it Mike. I will give it a try .
*
Drew
" So Far; So Good "
leydaATnospamvalunet.com
Date: Wed, 26 Nov 1997 13:56:24 -0500
From: "Harsh K. Luthar" <hlutharATnospamresearch1.bryant.edu>
To: Ruth Trimble <trimbleATnospamhawaii.edu>
CC: Gloria Greco <lodpressATnospamintercomm.com>, hlutharATnospamkeynes.bryant.edu,
Mike Stickles <msticklesATnospamantalys.com>, kundalini-lATnospamlists.execpc.com
Subject: Re: Urddhvareta
Message-ID: <347C70D7.39A2ATnospamacad.bryant.edu>
There are three main schools of Tantra in India and all of them focus on
awakening the Kundalini Shakti. Briefly:
The first Tantric approach (Samaya School) is purely Yogic and does not
concern itself with sexuality. The followers typcially practice complete
celibacy with the main focus of meditaion on the Sahashara Chakra (Brain
Center). The Samaya School makes use of highly advanced meditations and
visualizations and methods of breath retention. The other two schools
are Mishra and Kaula. In the Mishra School, the Shakti (The Goddess) is
Worshipped and meditated upon in the Heart Center. In the Kaula School,
the focus shifts to acquiring material and psychic powers. There are
literally hundreds of books on Tantra (as practice within Hinduism,
Jainism and Budhhism) in several languages and I can't do it justice in
a short message. Read my paper on the Web for an integrative approach to
Tantra without the use of any technical Sanskrit terminology.
My feeling is that great saints arise in every religion and tradition
and therefore I personally do not make distinctions between various
schools. If the context of a spiritual path is love and the practice of
non-violence and amity for all living beings (including animals and
plant) it will lead to spiritual ripening. For such people, Divine Grace
is ever present, regardless of their religion or tradition or school of
thought.
Ruth Trimble wrote:
>
> Hi Gloria:
> I would very much liketo hear what Harsh has to say too: >>
> Yes Ruth, it is the upward movement, while it is rare occassion when it
> actually manifests to the fullness, it is what will bring it all
> together. This is why the sexual energies are so sacred and important to
> go into transformation and never to be misused. In India I understand it
> means the same things as enlightenment. I would like to hear what Harsh
> has to say since he is also into Tantra. Gloria>>
>
> What do you say Harsh?
> Ruth
> ******
> Your whole life is a cyclone of change, of changing scenes, changing
> colors; but just in the middle of the cyclone there is a silent center.
> That is YOU. (Osho)
> ----------------------------------------------------------------------
> Ruth Trimble email:<trimbleATnospamhawaii.edu>
> http://166.122.32.61/trimble/
> *****
Date: Wed, 26 Nov 1997 19:04:43 +0100
From: "Jason S. White" <zymphtATnospambluewin.ch>
To: Dieter Dambiec <d.dambiecATnospamstudent.canberra.edu.au>
CC: kundalini-lATnospamexecpc.com
Subject: Re: The 'I'
Message-ID: <347C64BB.9C77B86FATnospambluewin.ch>
Dieter, thanks for the feedback.
Interesting how logical and rational masculine nature turns the
discussion. I love the balance of the coexistance of the men and women
on this list. Perhaps Susanne and Ruth could answer your questions
better. But I'll foolishly take a stab:
Dieter Dambiec wrote:
>
> [Dd>] If the body is cremated or alternatively left to rot while in the
> grave how exactly are you saying this 'matter-energy' takes new forms.
>
Cremation and rotting are new forms.
> Matter-energy seeks the knowing of itself through "I", the human form.
> [Dd>] Are you saying matter-energy is eternal consciousness. Indeed that
> would be rather novel. Elaboration out of curiousity seems to be required.
Matter-energy (for example, a human being) is conscious of itself. Why
do we study ourselves? Why does matter-energy study itself?
>
> There will
> come a point where it is no longer necessary for an "I" to exist for
> matter-energy to be aware of itself. Matter-energy will configure
> itself into souls of pure awareness with no need of a human form.
>
> [Dd>] How?
By doing exactly what we are doing. What will remain after we have
purified "I" so that it dissolves in reality? It was the final question
of Ruth's post.
Jason.
Date: Wed, 26 Nov 1997 10:08:16 -0800 (PST)
From: Blythe <merlinATnospampnn.com>
To: kundalini-lATnospamexecpc.com
Subject: Here it is... the Oreo divination!!! (fwd)
Message-Id: <199711261808.KAA23824ATnospampnn.com>
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Her's divinationfor you all. This came to me from another list, and to that
list from yet another. Chocolatey fortune telling for all, and a good chuckle.
Blyteh
>>---------- Forwarded message ----------
>>First, a few words on Oreos... for ritual purposes (and, for that matter,
>ANY purpose:-) ) only real, genuine Oreos will do-- only the best for the
>Goddess!!! Hydroxes just don't seem to pack the same punch, though they are
>okay for common munching in a desperate chocolate fit. And those awful store
>brands at a buck a bag don't do it, they refuse to tell the secrets of the
>universe, and Our Lady knows when you are trying to stiff her. (huge,
>smart-ass grin...)
>>
>>The Oreo divination is really simple. It operates on the principal that all
>situations, like the moon, are subject to change; so this goes according to
>the moon phase symbolism. Hold the cookie and concentrate on your question,
>then open it up. Note the shape of the cream in your dominant hand.
>>
>>The waxing crescent indicates a favorable time to begin something new, or a
>sense of rebirth or newness in a situation. Trust the Inner Child, the Tarot
>Fool, and go where no one has gone before.
>>
>>A "Full Moon" shows that the results of a situation or project are coming
>into their fullness. Rest on your laurels and enjoy your luck. Creative
>undertakings prove very fruitful at this time. Great time to connect with
>Goddess energy or female attributes. As the Moon draws water, let Her draw
>you into wisdom within.
>>
>>The waning crescent is the end of a situation or a fallow time. Be
>reflective, try to put old habits and thoughtforms to rest. A time for
>transformation is near.
>>
>>The waxing gibbous or balsamic moons show that the problem or situation is
>in the midst of change, and in this case, two meanings apply. For example,
>on a question about a creative endeavor, waxing gibbous indicates that the
>process has already started and is on its way to fruition.
>>
>>It is always good to eat the Oreo afterwards, to symbolically take these
>energies within. Remember, without lots and lots of questions, we never
>learn anything! Happy asking, and very happy munching!
>>
>>Blessings,
>>
>>Boudicca
>>
>>
>>
>>
>>
>
>
>
Date: Wed, 26 Nov 1997 14:12:22 -0500
From: "Harsh K. Luthar" <hlutharATnospamresearch1.bryant.edu>
To: Blythe <merlinATnospampnn.com>
CC: kundalini-lATnospamexecpc.com
Subject: Re: Urddhvareta
Message-ID: <347C7496.A89ATnospamacad.bryant.edu>
Cut...
I would like to hear what Harsh
> >has to say since he is also into Tantra. Gloria
> >Enter The Silence to Know God ... and... accept life as the teacher.
> >Gloria Joy Greco
>
> I've a question. What constitutes misuse of our sacred sexual energies?
Cut....
>
> Blythe
This is a question I have appropriately addressed in my paper on Tantra.
But I think Blythe had the right idea. No rigid rules can be set for
people on the spiritual path other than to provide the context of Love
and the philosophy of Non-violence and amity towards all beings. If
there is contact with a genuine Sage, who is brimming with love energy
it easily gets transmitted to others who come into contact. That is the
beginning, the middle and the end of the spiritual search and Divine
Grace manifests itself.
Harsh
Date: Wed, 26 Nov 1997 19:22:20 +0100
From: "Jason S. White" <zymphtATnospambluewin.ch>
To: DonBBensonATnospamaol.com
CC: kundalini-lATnospamlists.execpc.com
Subject: Re: Thanksgiving
Message-ID: <347C68DC.894AB3EBATnospambluewin.ch>
DonBBensonATnospamaol.com wrote:
>
> Friends, on the occasion of Bible Week and Thanksgiving in the USA, I am
> inspired to share this message with you:
> >
> Friends, on Thanksgiving Day 1997, whom will you serve? To whom will you give
> thanks and praise?
Give thanks and praise to the Native Americans since Thanksgiving is the
only part of their culture that is honored by the good Christian people
who destroyed their culture. However, those that are conquered in body,
triumph in spirit. Luckily for Americans (North, South and Central),
the Native Americans had beautiful spirit.
May we all remember the lessons of our past atrocities and Give Thanks
for each moment as a new chance to act through love.
Peace and good will to all.
Jason.
Date: Wed, 26 Nov 1997 14:22:54 -0500
From: "Harsh K. Luthar" <hlutharATnospamresearch1.bryant.edu>
To: "F. Drew" <leydaATnospamvalunet.com>
CC: Mike Stickles <msticklesATnospamantalys.com>, kundalini-lATnospamexecpc.com
Subject: Re: The 'I'
Message-ID: <347C770E.5716ATnospamacad.bryant.edu>
The teachings of the Sage of Arunachala, Ramana Maharishi, who guided me
and blessed me in my early youth, focus exclusively on the Self-Enquiry
involving asking the question "Who Am I." Anyone interested in this
approach should read conversations with Ramana Maharishi or books
written about him. Carl Jung called him the "The purest (or the whitest)
spot in a white land" Many the greatest Yogis and Spiritual Masters of
India (Some of who later came to the U.S to teach) went to the sacred
Hill of Arunachala to be in the presence of this great Sage. I believe
Swami Nityananda (Guru of Baba Muktananda) also visited there as did
Swami Rama, founder of the Himalyan Institute. My teacher in his teen
years, used to visit Sri Ramana Maharishi as well.
Harsh
F. Drew wrote:
>
> From: Mike Stickles <msticklesATnospamantalys.com>
>
> >In a book I have called "How to Meditate" there is an
> >interesting meditation on "Who am I?" which I have
> >never tried, but after reading these posts I think I
> >might do so.
> *******************************
>
> I like it Mike. I will give it a try .
> *
> Drew
> " So Far; So Good "
> leydaATnospamvalunet.com
Date: Wed, 26 Nov 1997 10:41:02 -0800 (PST)
From: M <chooseagainATnospamthegrid.net>
To: Blythe <merlinATnospampnn.com>
Cc: kundalini-lATnospamexecpc.com, amckeonATnospamhsmail.nfld.k12.mn.us, <NancyATnospamwtp.net>
Subject: Re: The thinker feels
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At 08:55 AM 11/26/97 -0800, Blythe wrote:
>Good morning Nancy and amckeon.
>I lie awake at night, too, but obsessed by emotionthinking, not clear
>thought. This is very hard for me to let go of: replaying past and future
>possibles. I like the thought that it may be a way to not feel, or to make
>feeling safe by wrapping it in words and constructs. I don't like losing the
>sleep, though, as I tend to zombie through the following day.
>
Getting advice from lots of different kinds of health care providers and
reading lots of material on brain chemistry has led me to the following aids
to getting quality sleep:
Getting enough sugar-free carbohydrates at the end of the day...without fat
at the same time. Baked corn chips or rice cakes...unadorned potatoes, etc.
As the last meal of the day, all by themselves they promote serotonin
production which apparently helps sleep. This 'last meal' has to be before 7
pm, for me anyway. Eating with this in mind has made a big difference in my
sleep pattern. There are lots of books on serotonin that will give a much
clearer picture of its role in sleep, etc.
Also, I keep Dr.Jeffrery Thompson's BrainWave Suite "Theta" CD handy and, if
I wake and start to obsess, it usually gets me back in a sleepy mood. The
"Delta" is supposed to induce sleep, but I find it less helpful. Someone on
this list recommended these CD's and I got them through Amazon.com.
Hope this is helpful,
Sweet dreams,
M
Date: Wed, 26 Nov 1997 13:42:15 -0500
From: Teresa <TGarlandATnospamVIPMail.com>
To: PaulATnospamlouisville.lib.ky.us
CC: kundalini-lATnospamexecpc.com
Subject: Re: Urddhvareta
Message-ID: <347C6D86.38516EEDATnospamVIPMail.com>
You will get many different answers on this one. Self stimulation for purpose
of generating heat to circulate in the body is a tantric practice ... so it is
fine. Beyond that, some teachers insist on celibacy, others recommend sexual
release as a way of grounding when kundalini effects are too disturbing. For
myself, I try to save my sexual energy for my practice. The energy is
transformed and help me push through boundaries (and blockages).
Teresa
PaulATnospamlouisville.lib.ky.us wrote:
> I was wondering how self-stimulation, self-pleasure (i.e. mastrubation) is
> viewed within the context of tantra. Please comment at your convenience.
>
> Thank you.
>
> Paul
Date: Wed, 26 Nov 1997 14:22:38 -0500
From: Teresa <TGarlandATnospamVIPMail.com>
To: K List <kundalini-lATnospamexecpc.com>
Subject: Heavy Duty Kriyas
Message-ID: <347C76FD.7AAC1FA5ATnospamVIPMail.com>
Have any of you gone through heavy-duty kriyas? I'm talking about the
kind in which the body moves "violently" fast doing repetitive motions
or such for periods of time. If you have, I'd like to exchange notes
with you. I've been going through these (and milder) versions of kriyas
for 2 months. They have made a huge impact on my practice and on my
life.
Teresa
Date: Wed, 26 Nov 1997 14:27:20 -0500 (EST)
From: Daniel James Giszczak <danjgATnospamengin.umich.edu>
To: kundalini-lATnospamexecpc.com
Subject: If only it were so easy
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When one sleeps, all the tensions of the body become their symbol-thought
equivalents in the mind as the body totally relaxes. The keys to reaching
total relaxation during waking state are given to the dreamer every night.
Healers, psychics, and friends accept physical transferences from you and
can dream for you or with you.
Dan
Date: Wed, 26 Nov 1997 14:39:09 -0500 (EST)
From: Daniel James Giszczak <danjgATnospamengin.umich.edu>
To: amckeonATnospamhsmail.nfld.k12.mn.us
cc: kundalini-lATnospamexecpc.com
Subject: Re: The thinker feels
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> Yeah, that is probably the way to go, I really hate it though. Emotion
> seems so unproductive. Someone hurts you, you cry. They hurt you again, you
> cry. It is so much more satisfying to try and puzzle out how to avoid the
> person, or how to deal with them differently, how to detach, etc.
> Detachment seems a work of the brain rather than the heart.
I know a man who seemed disagreeable to me often. He hurt me a
little, and I just looked at him with the hurt in my eyes. I said
nothing. He looked back at me and said almost immediately "I am not a
jerk." Every time I've seen him since, he has been happy and nice.
Dan
Date: Wed, 26 Nov 1997 14:46:48 -0500 (EST)
From: Daniel James Giszczak <danjgATnospamengin.umich.edu>
To: PaulATnospamlouisville.lib.ky.us
cc: kundalini-lATnospamexecpc.com, kundalini-lATnospamlists.execpc.com
Subject: Re: Urddhvareta
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> I was wondering how self-stimulation, self-pleasure (i.e. mastrubation) is
> viewed within the context of tantra. Please comment at your convenience.
I don't know the tantra.
I say keep masturbating until you can tell the difference between
the time after you masturbate and the time before. This difference will
eventually cause you to either stop or not.
There probably exists better advice, but I haven't thought of it
yet.
Dan
Date: Wed, 26 Nov 1997 13:25:14 -0000
From: "F. Drew " <leydaATnospamvalunet.com>
To: <amckeonATnospamhsmail.nfld.k12.mn.us>, <kundalini-lATnospamexecpc.com>
Subject: Re: The thinker feels
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From: amckeonATnospamhsmail.nfld.k12.mn.us <amckeonATnospamhsmail.nfld.k12.mn.us>
>>What insanity! I realize that I think because I don't want to feel. My
>>mind has been racing--thinking, thinking, thinking about one situation
>>for the past 6 weeks. This morning I realized, I THINK SO I DON'T HAVE
>>TO FEEL! Isn't that funny! I have been so afraid to face my emotions
>>that I would rather drive myself insane obsessing!
****************
I do the same thing ! I think one part of my self is trying to keep another
part of myself from being aware.
*
Drew
" So Far; So Good "
leydaATnospamvalunet.com
Date: Wed, 26 Nov 1997 14:15:20 -0800
From: Kurt Keutzer <keutzerATnospamsynopsys.com>
To: kundalini-lATnospamlists.execpc.com
Cc: keutzerATnospamsynopsys.com
Subject: urdhvareta
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Ruth says:
>Hi Gloria and Harsh:
>IT is when I read this list I find out so much of what I have learned in
>the past 18 years of seeking.
>Urddhvareta (please correct my spelling Hindi speakers) is the energy I
>experienced coming up from the sexual organs through the belly and up
>through the body. As it rose up, it bestowed intense orgasmic delight.
>I believe it to be the the ojas or light/life force in the ovaries which
>creates the egg in females or from the testes in men that creates the
>sperm and contains that vital force which creates a child when both are
>put together. Thus it is verily the LIFE force itself and in the
>urddhavreta it does not go down into biological function, but it slowly
>through practice and meditation and a lot of grace, moves up inwardly
>through the body. This is the state that ones sees in many sages from
>India whose eyes are rolled upward into the head I assume they
>experience this same bliss. I also believe from my experience that the
>ascent of this life ojas to the 3rd eye
>allows the soma juice to drip into the back of the tongue
>This is something that yogis yearn for.. and some have their tongue
>tethers cut so that the tongue may reach back behind the nose to taste the
>soma there...
>This is what I understand from my experience... what do others know of
>this?
Ruth - thanks for your post. I think that many of us have experienced the
relationship between the raw sexual energy and the refinement of such as it
migrates up the spine. Once it achieves sufficient force then it is quite
intoxicating and it naturally quiets the mind. In yogic theory the origin
of the energy is actually in the crown of the head. It migrates down to the
sex organs and then out (typically). This energy that originates in the
crown is called *retas*. To be *urdhvaretas* means to keep it going up.
Strictly speaking I *think* what you're experiencing is a little different.
It is the migration of the lower energy (rajas) up. We had a discussion
about the red/rajas rising and the white/retas falling a while back so I
won't go through that again.
I think there are a couple interesting points of departure here. First and
foremost is the question of what can we do to enhance this experience in
ourselves. Moderation in activities which cause the out-flow of this energy
is an obvious one. Using meditation techniques which cause the energy to
rise is another one. One reason I like to turn from the Hindu-yogic systems
to the Chinese and Tibetan is that the model of the increase and decrease
of the energy seems to be better understood there. Certainly Chinese
medicine is showing its practical utility - which brings us to:
The other point of departure is to understand the phenomenon better. I
think that using the classical yogic anatomy today makes about as much
sense as to use the works of Galen to try to control our blood pressure. We
really need to get a grip on the relationship between kundalini activity
and modern medical theory. Mr. Namaste gave me some good leads a while
back. I'd enjoy hearing more.
Mangalam,
Kurt
Date: Wed, 26 Nov 1997 16:24:12 -0600
From: quietstar1ATnospamjuno.com (Carolyn C Maloney)
To: kundalini-lATnospamexecpc.com
Subject: Now
Message-ID: <19971126.162413.16310.2.quietstar1ATnospamjuno.com>
Am I back here in the right place...
duh..
Carolyn Maloney aka flute
http://www.create.org
Healing Across The Internet
Date: Wed, 26 Nov 1997 23:32:08 -0600
From: amckeonATnospamhsmail.nfld.k12.mn.us
To: kundalini-lATnospamexecpc.com
Subject: Re: The thinker feels (but needs sleep really really bad)
Message-ID: <1331535302-14146763ATnospamhsmail.nfld.k12.mn.us>
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M wrote:
>Getting enough sugar-free carbohydrates at the end of the day...without fat
>at the same time. Baked corn chips or rice cakes...unadorned potatoes, etc.
I often crave stuff like popcorn and corn chips right before retiring, so
that makes sense to me.
>As the last meal of the day, all by themselves they promote serotonin
>production which apparently helps sleep.
My sister (the totally grey one) and I were just talking about serotonin
yesterday, how we may have genetically inherited a low serotonin level
(lots of depressively inclined family members, etc.)
>Also, I keep Dr.Jeffrery Thompson's BrainWave Suite "Theta" CD handy and, if
>I wake and start to obsess, it usually gets me back in a sleepy mood. The
>"Delta" is supposed to induce sleep, but I find it less helpful. Someone on
>this list recommended these CD's and I got them through Amazon.com.
I should check these out.
thanks for the info,
amckeon
Date: Thu, 27 Nov 1997 08:40:28 +0100
From: "Jason S. White" <zymphtATnospambluewin.ch>
To: madammumATnospamptialaska.net
CC: Kundalini <kundalini-lATnospamexecpc.com>
Subject: Re: The Ever-Neverlasting
Message-ID: <347D23EC.886194A5ATnospambluewin.ch>
valerian wrote:
>
> may i link it on my webpage if i credit you?
> :)
> v
> --
> *we now return you to your regularly scheduled programs...*
> http://www.geocities.com/SoHo/7982/index.html
It would be an honor. Thank you.
Z.
Date: Thu, 27 Nov 1997 23:35:06 +1100
From: Dieter Dambiec <d.dambiecATnospamstudent.canberra.edu.au>
To: "kundalini-lATnospamlists.execpc.com" <kundalini-lATnospamlists.execpc.com>
Cc: "kundalini-lATnospamexecpc.com" <kundalini-lATnospamexecpc.com>
Subject: No thanksgiving thanks unless for real health
Message-ID: <01BCFB8E.55983EE0ATnospampppclient5.canberra.edu.au>
>From letters to the ed:
Dear Editor:
We live in strange times. We subsidize farmers to grow tobacco,
then tax and sue the tobacco industry to recover the costs of related
medical care. We subsidize the meat industry and suffer the costs of
meat-related medical care and lost productivity. Now, weAEre preparing
to give thanks for our good life and liberty by taking away the life and
liberty of an innocent animal -- the Thanksgiving turkey. It doesn't
make sense.
Thanksgiving is about liberty, joy, and life. But, the 340 million
turkeys raised in the US each year for our holiday table experience
none of these. They are forced to breathe toxic fumes in crowded sheds, as
their beaks and toes are cut off to reduce damage from stress-induced
aggression. After 16 weeks of agony, they are hung by their legs on a
conveyer belt and beheaded by an electric saw while fully conscious.
Thanksgiving is about good health. But turkey flesh is laced with
cholesterol, saturated fats, hormones, antibiotics, and deadly
pathogens like Campylobacter. Careful adherence to government warning
labels or Poultry Hot Line directions are required to escape acute illness.
Thanksgiving is about sharing. But the grain fed to turkeys denies
lifesaving foodstuffs to millions of starving people. Thanksgiving is
about a bountiful harvest, but raising grain for turkeys involves
depletion of topsoil and groundwater essential to a good harvest.
On this special occasion, let us reflect on the true meaning of
Thanksgiving. Let us replace the wretched, sick carcass of an innocent
animal in the center of our holiday dinner table with wholesome dishes
prepared from the bounty of our harvest: grains, vegetables, and
fruits.
Let us replace misery, disease, and death with joy, good health, and
life!
Sincerely,
Victor Forsythe
1705 14th St. #408
Boulder, CO 80302
(303) 661-0340
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