1997/11/25 14:24
kundalini-l-d Digest V97 #767
kundalini-l-d Digest Volume 97 : Issue 767
Today's Topics:
The 'I' [ Ruth Trimble <trimbleATnospamhawaii.edu> ]
Re: Fw: Enjoy . . . [ PEGLUMPKINATnospamaol.com ]
Re: The 'I' [ Susanne Macrae <smacraeATnospamcamtech.net ]
Re: Fw: Enjoy . . . [ PEGLUMPKINATnospamaol.com ]
Re: Help, suggestions please. LONG [ Mystress Angelique Serpent <mistres ]
Re: Fw: Enjoy . . . [ Mystress Angelique Serpent <mistres ]
Re: 48 Hours -Skeptic HEaven [ Harsh Luthar <hlutharATnospamkeynes.bryant ]
Re: The 'I' [ Ruth Trimble <trimbleATnospamhawaii.edu> ]
Re: Fw: Enjoy . . . [ "Debora A. Orf" <dorf01ATnospammail.win.or ]
Re: Urddhvareta - Better than Chocol [ DonBBensonATnospamaol.com ]
Lessons from the Soul [ John Otis <sacredwindATnospamusa.net> ]
Re: The 'I' [ "Jason S. White" <zymphtATnospambluewin.ch ]
Date: Mon, 24 Nov 1997 19:49:19 -1000
From: Ruth Trimble <trimbleATnospamhawaii.edu>
To: kundalini-lATnospamlists.execpc.com
Subject: The 'I'
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Susan says :
>>When we look around at the physical world we are in, don't most people
try hard to escape the self? Self destructive behaviour. Violence
against self and others. Violence against the earth. Ingesting massive
toxic chemicals in our food and environment. Suicide. Inner focusing to
find bliss and merge with God. All those magnificent "I"'s the Source
created wanting to get away from themselves.
I believe our challenge is to embrace the "I" that we are. No more
avoidance. To love the self we have become and evolved to regardless of
our judgement of the experience that has got us there. To create a
bridge between the conscious and unconscious selves so that we>>
I agree that we should embrace the 'I' that we are but do we have a clear
picture of that that 'I' actually is? It has no attributes. It does not
suffer, it does not weep, or laugh.. it is the ever present ONE. Embrace
this yes.. but how many of us can strip off the mind's stickiness to reach
that place? .. If we could we would have no needs, be omniscient and
omnipresent...how many of us really want that? Isn't it far more fun
playing games with the ethers and the multidimensions of our being? Does
the divine really want usto find the secret of "home" ? I wonder if the
game perhaps of being lost and wanting to go home is what this whole
things is about.. just a game where we pretend we don't know who we are,
just so we can say "peekaboo" once every aeon or so at ourselves reflected
in the universe. "Peekaboo, I see I again. H aha ..."
******
*****
I see you....Ruth
Date: Tue, 25 Nov 1997 01:09:48 -0500 (EST)
From: PEGLUMPKINATnospamaol.com
To: kundalini-lATnospamexecpc.com
Subject: Re: Fw: Enjoy . . .
Message-ID: <971125010947_-837680304ATnospammrin40.mail.aol.com>
In a message dated 97-11-25 00:09:34 EST, Sharon and Lobster conspire:
<< No matter how you try to resist the call for chocolate, I will hunt you
out, and I will become your sacred prey. >>
Now cut that out! This wicked chocolate posting left me drooling into my
keyboard like a Pavlov pooch and set me scavenging the cupboards, only to
find smashed Junior Mints and stale chocolate chips. Oh well, a moment on
the lips, a lifetime on the hips!
Peg
Date: Tue, 25 Nov 1997 17:59:28 +1030
From: Susanne Macrae <smacraeATnospamcamtech.net.au>
To: Ruth Trimble <trimbleATnospamhawaii.edu>
CC: kundalini-lATnospamexecpc.com
Subject: Re: The 'I'
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I wrote:
> I believe our challenge is to embrace the "I" that we are. No more
> avoidance. To love the self we have become and evolved to regardless of
> our judgement of the experience that has got us there. To create a
> bridge between the conscious and unconscious selves so that we>>
>
Ruth wrote:
but do we have a clear
> picture of that that 'I' actually is? It has no attributes. It does not
> suffer, it does not weep, or laugh.. it is the ever present ONE.
My "I" has eternally suffered, eternally wept, eternally laughed. My
"I" has lived multiple lives in multiple places experiencing on all
levels. I have loved and hated, murdered and birthed. Breathed in God
and sinned against man and God. Since my birth into consciousness
I have done it all. So has everyone out there reading this. It is my
experience that just because we don't remember who and what we have been
that we don't still carry enormous baggage around as a result. It is the
accumulated baggage that also becomes the "I". The layers of the onion
we have grown and added around the core of the "I" that God created.
Isn't it far more fun > playing games with the ethers and the
multidimensions of our being?
YES!! that is what I mean. To embrace the games, the fun, the joy, the
pain. To live in the totality of the "I" is to live in the totality of
all the wondrous and not so wondrous experiences that have led to our
being here and now, sitting at our computers . Not just from this life
but from the dawn of our creation into consciousness.
Does > the divine really want usto find the secret of "home" ? I
wonder if the
> game perhaps of being lost and wanting to go home is what this whole
> things is about.. just a game where we pretend we don't know who we are,
I believe we are so busy trying to escape who we are (or who we pretend
to be) that merging with God or Home or living in the Divine becomes the
illusion to avoid embracing the reality of who we are. This doesn't
exclude us from searching for enlightenment or searching for the embrace
of God.
My millions of years of existance are the validity of who "I" am today.
To deny that in favour of merging with God is to deny the God that
granted me the free will to experience my existance however I should
choose.
Love, Sue
Date: Tue, 25 Nov 1997 02:42:07 -0500 (EST)
From: PEGLUMPKINATnospamaol.com
To: kundalini-lATnospamexecpc.com
Subject: Re: Fw: Enjoy . . .
Message-ID: <971125024206_1914126055ATnospammrin83.mail.aol.com>
In a message dated 97-11-25 01:11:49 EST, you write:
<< Am I the only one who remembers "Farfel" the puppet dog saying this and
then clamping his big carboard mouth shut at the end? >>
You mean the Jerry Mahoney Show? One of the things I have noticed on this
list is that many of us seem to be in our late forties and early fifties and
understand these dated references. At the recent KRN conference, one of the
attendees commented to me that she feels that the kundalini process is a
normal stage of adult development. Another attendee said he feels the baby
boomers are a consciousness wave who came to Earth to raise its level of
spirituality. Anyway, there are so many of us, that if we can do justice to
opportunity given us, we can make a difference.
And, if I might add a related idea I've been wondering about, maybe the human
species is about to enter its adulthood. Was anyone awake in biology class
when we were taught "Ontogeny recapitulates phylogeny"? In other words, each
individual member of a species goes through, in its lifetime, all of the
developmental stages that the entire species went through during its
evolution. That's why the human embryo goes through a developmental stage
with gill-like structures suited to a watery environment, just as human lungs
evolved only after our aquatic ancestors left the sea. In the same way,
might the consciousness of an entire species and/or culture go through the
same developmental stages of an individual? If so, humankind today, with its
dominance of aggression, competition, physical indulgences, and fixation on
glamour, fame, and thrill-seeking reminds me of a bunch of teenagers on a
mindless joyride. It's wonderful to imagine a world full of spiritual
grownups.
Sorry, I seem to have digressed from the original chocolate thread. The
chocolate chips must have kicked in.
Peg
Date: Tue, 25 Nov 1997 01:31:29
From: Mystress Angelique Serpent <mistressATnospamdomin8rex.com>
To: sassiATnospamworldnet.att.net
Cc: kundalini-lATnospamexecpc.com
Subject: Re: Help, suggestions please. LONG
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At 06:46 24/11/97 GMT, sassiATnospamworldnet.att.net wrote:
>On 11/24 you wrote :kundalini-lATnospamexecpc.com
>
>Since 10/24/97 I have been experiencing a strange phenomena. A
>kundalini awakening comes closest to describing it. Very
>synchronistic.
>
You have a fascinating story! thankyou for sharing it with us.. it seems
to tie in with the recent thread on "twin souls".
>While sitting at my computer on 10/24 I mistakenly hit one of those '
>random ' buttons that takes one to a random web site. It landed on a
>news site and there was a news blurb about a particular person. It
>wasn't very interesting so I hit the 'Home' button in my browser.
>Instead I wound up at another random site. This one had a photograph
>of the person in the previous news story.
Synchronicities and randomness? There are no accidents.. We have been
talking about divining methods.. I know one person who does divination
using Eudora Light Email spellcheck options, but I never heard of
divination by random websurf.. cool idea!
> Over the past month I have
>lost 30 lbs. I was beginning to go bald, it stopped and my hair is
>growing back, but has turned white along with my beard.
K.A. often has a youthening, regenerating effect.. and there are many
folklore sories of folks having intense mystical experiences <faeire and
ghost contacts> tht turned their hair white "overnight". Contrary to
popular opinion, hair is not "dead", it has DNA that move, and carries part
of the body energy field.
There is plently of ritual around hair, from yogi's that never have any,
to those who never cut it, and Naive North American indians use it as a
sacred ritual sacrifice.
Not to mention, the ideas about putting it in Voodoo dolls, and such..
>
>I have always had a 'Type A' personality. Not a bad person, but not
>very friendly either. Now, the people I am closest to,
> tell me my ' eyes have gone kind ' and there's something about my
>manner that attracts people and makes them want to talk to me.
Your energy feels warm and kind, to me.. nice gently K-fire
> And I
>feel closer and more interested in people and what they have to say. I
>feel very laid back, and lifelong hobbies hold no interest for me
>anymore.
Humans are the most beautiful and interesting thing on the planet, by far..
All else pales by comparison, once you begin to really see people..
>The most miraculous change is the relationship with my wife,
>she is helping me through this as much as possible and we both feel
>closer than ever.
You are blessed.. too often we read of another K-fired marriage breakup.
>
<snipped>
>My ' guide ' wants me to send a message to this person, I do not
>understand this message but the other person will. This leaves me with
>a dilemma.
><snipped>
>For the life of me, I cannot decide how to accomplish this
>without causing this other person anxiety. I refuse to do it
>anonymously and how do you explain all this to someone before they
>call the ' men in white coats ' to take you away ? Any suggestions ?
>
>sassi
>
Yup.. several. In no particular order..
#) ask your guides how to transmit the message effectively.. and do what
they say in trust.. they have led you this far, I doubt they are setting
you up for failure.. I understand you are mostly seeking confidence.
To help with your confidence, consider the thought that such clear
connections are seldom exclusively one-way.. this person might also be
sharing your life, and wondering who you are.. and their public profile
makes it much harder for them to search for you..
I feel that you have a soul-agreement with this person, to come out of
the woodwork and wake them up at just this time. Send a message along the
astral net, to prepare them for your appearance, or communication.. so they
will pay attention. Most high profile folks work intuitively, to some
extent. It is the secret of success.
#)the game of sevens: it is said, that every person on the planet is only
seven people away from every other person. So if you tell everyone you know
that you are trying to reach a certain person, and they tell everyone they
know.. within 7 people's circles of friends, will be the connection you
seek. Once you have the sevens connection, you can pass along an envelope,
or send a message that they should expect one... or simply pass your name
along for them to contact you.
#)find a representative: a famous psychic, or a person interested in the
paranormal who is close to this person, and approach them instead, with
your story, and ask them to introduce you, or pass on the message for you.
#) Mail the stuff to them directly, perhaps multiple copies, thru
different routes, and trust the guides to handle the details, of the
emotional state the recipient is in when the info is recieved. That, after
all, is not something you can control no matter how carefully you send the
message: your attempts to control the results of the unknown, are only your
fear speaking, giving you reasons why not to listen to the guidance.
Hope this helps.. Blessings, Mystress.
Date: Tue, 25 Nov 1997 00:20:05
From: Mystress Angelique Serpent <mistressATnospamdomin8rex.com>
To: PEGLUMPKINATnospamaol.com
Cc: kundalini-lATnospamexecpc.com
Subject: Re: Fw: Enjoy . . .
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Hmm.. I read the original spell in a Pagan journal a coupla years ago..
and the point of doing the spell, as well as attracting more chocolate into
your life, was to send a very clear intention to your unconscious to
metabolize chocolate differently.. so it is lower in calories. Of course,
one way your body might decide to do this, if you ar not VERY clear in your
intentions, is by giving you a Visit to the Throne of the Toilet God
afterwards for a looong time.
It will work, tho, if it is in your highest good... any ritual carefully
carried out usually will.. the function of ritual lies in it's use as a
tool for precisely focusing faith and intention, toward manifestation.
Blessed Be! Mystress.
At 01:09 25/11/97 -0500, PEGLUMPKINATnospamaol.com wrote:
>In a message dated 97-11-25 00:09:34 EST, Sharon and Lobster conspire:
>
><< No matter how you try to resist the call for chocolate, I will hunt you
>out, and I will become your sacred prey. >>
>
>Now cut that out! This wicked chocolate posting left me drooling into my
>keyboard like a Pavlov pooch and set me scavenging the cupboards, only to
>find smashed Junior Mints and stale chocolate chips. Oh well, a moment on
>the lips, a lifetime on the hips!
>
>Peg
>
>
>
Mystress Angelique Serpent,
Dominant Experiential Facilitator.
Website= http://www.domin8rex.com/serpent
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Common sense and a sense of humor are the same thing, moving at
different speeds. A sense of humor is just common sense, dancing.
-- Clive James
^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^
Vancouver, B.C., Canada. Officially the most beautiful city in the world.
Date: Tue, 25 Nov 1997 07:22:34 -0800
From: Harsh Luthar <hlutharATnospamkeynes.bryant.edu>
To: smacraeATnospamcamtech.net.au
CC: kundalini-lATnospamexecpc.com
Subject: Re: 48 Hours -Skeptic HEaven
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Sue, Thank you for responding promptly. I found your dissection of my
inspired prose line by line (with a rebuttal thesis for each line) very
funny. I wonder if Rumi had such detractors! Normally I would be
laughing, but I am suppressing that urge. I have obviously hurt your
feeling with some of my postings and I am sorry. Best wishes.
Harsh
Susanne Macrae wrote:
>
> Harsh Luthar wrote:
> >
> > For one who has seen the image of God in his/her own heart, in the core of one's being, what inclination would there be to set up shop doing psychic readings or any other kind of readings.
>
> ......... possibly the inclination to work in absolute service to God.
> To work with whatever God provides as tools of service. To honour God
> through the gifts given in Grace for the purpose of bringing God's love
> into daily life. To love and to serve others.
>
> What glamor would exhibitionism hold?
>
> ..........If exhibitionism is part of anyone's service it may be a tool
> for provoking change. Judgement of another's path is an egoic not Godly
> quality.
>
> > What Psychic powers would such a person exercise!
>
> ...........Those that invite God into our hearts, inspiration into our
> minds, hope into our despair, change into our lives, compassion into our
> souls, beauty into our dreams, love into our being.
>
> >What could such a person possibly do except teach love, preach love and be love.
>
> ............For those who have seen, invited or hold God permanently in
> their heart, all they do in their lives, they do for God. They bathe
> their baby for God. They hug their children for God, they smell a
> flower for God. They inspire, reach out, and give to others in whatever
> way is available to them. I know an old bag lady who does nothing but
> collect litter in the streets for God. I know an architect that designs
> houses, schools and medical centres for God. These people radiate the
> most amazing love. They don't have to teach it or preach it. They are
> "it" by example, surely the best way to spead the word of God. One of
> the things I do is give readings for people...for God.
>
> Love, sue
Date: Tue, 25 Nov 1997 03:35:38 -1000
From: Ruth Trimble <trimbleATnospamhawaii.edu>
To: Susanne Macrae <smacraeATnospamcamtech.net.au>
cc: kundalini-lATnospamexecpc.com
Subject: Re: The 'I'
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Dear Susan I can see that we have been communicating poorly in this
exchange and it is perhaps because of definitions.. and those are only
experienced. I will however, make an effort to clarify what I was trying
to convey, which I believe you did not understand entirely.
> Ruth wrote:
> but do we have a clear
> > picture of that that 'I' actually is? It has no attributes. It does not
> > suffer, it does not weep, or laugh.. it is the ever present ONE.
This is the nearest I can get to the definition of the Infinite I perhaps.
The one you refer to as all this:
> My "I" has eternally suffered, eternally wept, eternally laughed. My
> "I" has lived multiple lives in multiple places experiencing on all
> levels. I have loved and hated, murdered and birthed. Breathed in God
> and sinned against man and God. Since my birth into consciousness
> I have done it all. So has everyone out there reading this. It is my
> experience that just because we don't remember who and what we have been
> that we don't still carry enormous baggage around as a result. It is the
> accumulated baggage that also becomes the "I". The layers of the onion
> we have grown and added around the core of the "I" that God created.
No Susan.. that is NOT 'I' that is your mind and its shell Ego...it has
nothing to do with the true 'I'. It is wht you were before all these
inventions and selfconscious experiences, and it will be what you are when
these are evaporated. It has probably got a Sanskrit term for this which I
cannot name..(can someone else?) but this is perishable and part of
illusion. It is not in the REALITY that is the fabric /warp/weft of
creation and being. Your true 'I' stands outside of these baggage issues
you mention, and I would even say they are the reason we have karma. But
if you step beyond that - there is no karma. I am sure there are plenty
of texts that explain this. I am doing a meagre job of it here.
I asked this in irony:
> Isn't it far more fun > playing games with the ethers and the
> multidimensions of our being?
> YES!! that is what I mean. To embrace the games, the fun, the joy, the
> pain. To live in the totality of the "I" is to live in the totality of
> all the wondrous and not so wondrous experiences that have led to our
> being here and now, sitting at our computers . Not just from this life
> but from the dawn of our creation into consciousness.
Well that is the karmic part.. as above. I was being ironic... that is
what you want to do.. play games.. and indeed I am still doing this,
though getting mighty tired of it..same old same old! But that is not what
the goal of the yogi's is.. to play more games. They want OFF the wheel of
karma.. they want to step into the center of thecircle where there are no
attributes and games.. no roles to play, no feelings to feel, no battles
to win etc.
I said:
> Does > the divine really want usto find the secret of
"home" ? I > wonder if the
> > game perhaps of being lost and wanting to go home is what this whole
> > things is about.. just a game where we pretend we don't know who we are,
I was being scarcastic.. humorous.. why should God want us to come home.
The God in us is having a lot of fun playing out scenarios through us. The
witness of all of it is God...
>
I believe we are so busy trying to escape who we are (or who we pretend
> to be) that merging with God or Home or living in the Divine becomes the
> illusion to avoid embracing the reality of who we are. This doesn't
> exclude us from searching for enlightenment or searching for the embrace
> of God.
Yes.. I think you may have a point.
> My millions of years of existance are the validity of who "I" am today.
> To deny that in favour of merging with God is to deny the God that
> granted me the free will to experience my existance however I should
> choose.
Well I think it comes down to this. Where is God if not existing through
you? Who is having all the experiences you are talking about? Who is
watching all this and who is the one being watched? All are the same
essence...
The trick in my opinion is finding out just what part that little being
you call 'I' has to play in all this... I cannot but feel that "I" you
talk about is the EGO...which is a construct of dreaming. It will be
dissolved in REALITY and then what? Who then can you say "had
experiences?" It will be impossible to find anything to point to.
Well what convolutions we can get into.
Take care... Ruth
*****
Date: Tue, 25 Nov 1997 08:20:18 -0600 (CST)
From: "Debora A. Orf" <dorf01ATnospammail.win.org>
To: Mystress Angelique Serpent <mistressATnospamdomin8rex.com>
cc: PEGLUMPKINATnospamaol.com, kundalini-lATnospamexecpc.com, kundalini-lATnospamlists.execpc.com
Subject: Re: Fw: Enjoy . . .
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On Tue, 25 Nov 1997, Mystress Angelique Serpent wrote:
> It will work, tho, if it is in your highest good... any ritual carefully
> carried out usually will.. the function of ritual lies in it's use as a
> tool for precisely focusing faith and intention, toward manifestation.
> Blessed Be! Mystress.
this reminded me of what happened on retreat last summer. For
some reason, i never eat a lot of anything on a meditation retreat. But i
dont seem to really lose a lot of weight either.
Has anyone read Suzette Hadin Elgon's work? especially "Earthsong"? Its
sci-fi, she presents the idea of the earth's people slowly adapting
themselves away from food by using 'audiosynthesis', triggerered by
chanting, singing, musical activity.
Who mentioned K activity keeping one looking young? i wonder myself if its
more like the poster who mentioned 'turning into a wraith', you become how
you see yourself inside.
My mother remarked the time before the last time i saw her that my hair
seemed redder than usual. i have never coloured it red. And i'm pretty
healthy, so its not from lacking minerals or vitamins. Altho i have
changed my habits by going 99% vegetarian. (if someone else makes me
dinner with meat in it, i will eat it to be polite, and not hurt their
feelings).
aw well, this strange world convincing me once again that there is more
than meets the eye.
Flute, thank you for the reading :) i always visualize you as a zen flute
sounding over a mountain side near a spring.
Take care K-list :)
--Janpa Tsomo
Date: Tue, 25 Nov 1997 10:25:51 -0500 (EST)
From: DonBBensonATnospamaol.com
To: trimbleATnospamhawaii.edu, senATnospamcruzio.com, kundalini-lATnospamlists.execpc.com
Subject: Re: Urddhvareta - Better than Chocolate!
Message-ID: <971125102550_-355761439ATnospammrin42.mail.aol.com>
Dear Ruth,
Thank you for sharing that lovely memory with the k-list.
On the subject of spinal orgasm: I remember a suprising occurrence on
December 31, 1963, when the gonadal secretions of a fully charged nineteen
year old Amherst College student streamed up his spine rather than out
through the normal channel. When these nutrients entered the "brahma
randhra," they proved to be an excellent medium for neuro-transmission,
substantially bridging the (much discussed of late) dichotomy between left
and right hemispheres of his brain. Besides the physical and mental shock of
this awakening, which resulted in flunking out of college the next semester,
he experienced another foretaste of the joys of heaven on this occasion.
Being created by God for fellowship with Him, I believe we have been given
this physical kundalini capability so that we can be vessels of spiritual
life and loving communication - vertically (with God and His holy angels) and
horizontally (within our bodies and with each other).
The k capability is a multi-purpose survival tool system designed into human
beings. Its ultimate purpose is to establish and maintain an eternal loving
relationship with the Source of life Who Is the Great I Am, Yahweh, so that
we can "share in the first resurrection" (Revelation 20:6). Its immediate
biological purpose is to give extra physical and mental power for survival.
Near-death experiences (NDEs), for example, may activate the kundalini energy
in such a way as to preserve the brain and vital organs while also helping a
person mentally and spiritually. This can turn a brush with death into a
thrilling experience. I must say, however, that to hang oneself or cut the
tongue and gag on it - for the thrills associated with k experiences - is a
devilish perversion of this Divine gift.
For more anecdotal and clinical information and sound medical advice on this
subject, see A Farther Shore: How Near-Death and Other Extraordinary
Experiences Can Change Ordinary Lives by Yvonne Kason, M.D., and Teri Degler
(HarperPerennial, 1996). Teri Degler has written a valuable book on the
subject of k experiences and inspired creativity entitled The Fiery Muse.
Both authors are founding members of the Kundalini Research Network.
Cordially, Don
Date: Tue, 25 Nov 1997 08:36:57 -0700
From: John Otis <sacredwindATnospamusa.net>
To: kundalini-lATnospamexecpc.com
CC: jwoATnospamusa.net
Subject: Lessons from the Soul
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Gettings from The Eye of the Sacred Wind!
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Happy journey! Many blessings of Love and Light to all!
John
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Date: Tue, 25 Nov 1997 22:22:52 +0100
From: "Jason S. White" <zymphtATnospambluewin.ch>
To: Ruth Trimble <trimbleATnospamhawaii.edu>
CC: Susanne Macrae <smacraeATnospamcamtech.net.au>, kundalini-lATnospamexecpc.com
Subject: Re: The 'I'
Message-ID: <347B41AC.B6E77DCFATnospambluewin.ch>
Susanne Macrae wrote:
> Yes.. I think you may have a point.
> > My millions of years of existance are the validity of who "I" am today.
> > To deny that in favour of merging with God is to deny the God that
> > granted me the free will to experience my existance however I should
> > choose.
Ruth Trimble wrote:
> Well I think it comes down to this. Where is God if not existing through
> you? Who is having all the experiences you are talking about? Who is
> watching all this and who is the one being watched? All are the same
> essence...
> The trick in my opinion is finding out just what part that little being
> you call 'I' has to play in all this... I cannot but feel that "I" you
> talk about is the EGO...which is a construct of dreaming. It will be
> dissolved in REALITY and then what? Who then can you say "had
> experiences?" It will be impossible to find anything to point to.
> Well what convolutions we can get into.
> Take care... Ruth
>
> *****
Ah, I love these discussions. Ruth, I think you hit the non-existant
nail on its metaphysical head. May I recast:
The matter-energy that makes up your body and animates it with
consciousness is as old as the universe. An "I" comes into being when
matter-energy configures itself into a human form.
The end of "I" occurs when your body dies and your matter-energy is
released to take new forms. Conscious elimination of "I" is called
suicide.
Matter-energy seeks the knowing of itself through "I", the human form.
And since matter-energy is quite involved with creation and destruction,
so is "I" involved with opposing experiences like bliss and suffering.
Our ever greater knowing of "I" will lead us to extinction. There will
come a point where it is no longer necessary for an "I" to exist for
matter-energy to be aware of itself. Matter-energy will configure
itself into souls of pure awareness with no need of a human form.
This is why we intuit that "I" is only a transient shell. However its
importance should not be understated.
Um. Right. Well that's my feeling - just matter-energy playing I games.
I Jason.
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