1997/11/23 14:00
kundalini-l-d Digest V97 #763
kundalini-l-d Digest Volume 97 : Issue 763
Today's Topics: Re: 48 Hours -Skeptic HEaven [ Ruth Trimble ]
Re: Deja Vu, a glimpse into the futu [ Nancy ] 48 hrs $ [ "Tom S" ]
Re: Another Perspective [ Harsh Luthar ] Re: Readings [ Daniel James Giszczak ]
Re: 48 hrs $ [ M ] Re: Another Perspective [ Mystress Angelique Serpent ]
Re: 48 hrs $ [ Gloria Greco To: Ken McFarland
cc: kundalini-lATnospamlists.execpc.com Subject: Re: 48 Hours -Skeptic HEaven
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Hi Ken:
> You are a teacher of our children. No I teach adults who are supposedly able to think for themselves.
> I hope you are not teaching them that spreading truth is dangerous.
I teach that the truth is enlightening and must be sough vigorously.
> Do you have any idea how much money poor farmers and other people who can > ill afford it, waste on dowsing?
I have no idea.. this is the first time I have ever heard anything negative about it. My girlfriend dowses for people to inform them of what
healing supplements etc. they need. She heals people with cancer and leukemia and other chronic problems that no MD has been able to do. Every
single person who dowses that I know is doing great healing and helping and has accuracy I am sure can compare to other methods.
What you fail to see is that once you poo poo all these alternative ways of knowing.. which has been a direct and frontal assault on human beings
right to be fully awake to all aspects of being, you are shutting the door to our possibility for ascension.
Wht is important KEn, is not who loses money, but that we continue to seek ways of knowing all that we ARE.. we use only 5% of our brains..
when one makes an attempt to dowse or read tarot or anything else, one is pushing back the limitations imposed on us for way too long. It is time
to stop this limiting view. It helps no one to hold your view. You are like a ostrich with yourhead in the sand. The world is zooming past you
and you are worried about farmers losing money.... is this more important than that people find their freedom, extend themselves into other
dimensions and discover their incredible power and sovereignty? Absolutely NOT>
I think you should come and be one of my students, Ken. Blessings, Ruth
****** Your whole life is a cyclone of change, of changing scenes, changing
colors; but just in the middle of the cyclone there is a silent center. That is YOU. (Osho)
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Date: Sat, 22 Nov 1997 20:18:55 +0000 From: Nancy
To: Kundalini-lATnospamexecpc.com Subject: Re: Deja Vu, a glimpse into the future
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SchrLLATnospamaol.com wrote: >
>I think that our lives are predetermined in part. It is just a matter of > time before we reach the milestones in our journey.
> I think these dreams are teaching dreams. It is as if another part of > ourselves shows us a scene from the future, and then when it really happens,
> we are already familiar with it and somehow ready for it.
I look at deja vu in a somewhat similar way with one exception. I don't think there is time. I view that all is happening in the now...past
lives, our past, our future, future lives. I also think that somehow we are able to experience the choices we didn't make. Maybe on a different
dimension (which is part of the eternal now) we are not married to our current spouse or we chose a different career path.
So when we "remember" through dreams or deja vu experiences, we are
accessing different dimensions of the ever present now. I have found that as I have become more and more "awakened", I am able to access more
frequently.
I find that I don't dream exact experiences as they unfold. It's more like I read the energy of the situation and pick up on the important
points. Once I dreamt I won a contest and received a check for a large amount of money. The next morning I awoke and a visitor at my house
handed me a overnight package. Inside was a check (a legal settlement) for the amount I dreamt of (actually it was rounded down in the dream!).
It used to freak me out. But now I like it when I have these types of dreams. While I am dreaming, I can tell the difference whether the
dreams are mental process or energetic truth.
Nancy Date: Sat, 22 Nov 1997 19:20:34 PST
From: "Tom S" To: kundalini-lATnospamexecpc.com
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Dear Kundalini listing, I used to be a so called fundamentalist christian a few years ago,until
i got tired of playing with color crayons and coloring books-Religion. I was looking for a more loving ,smart,personal God who isn't out of touch
with reality in some cosmic space somewhere, or who is always looking at every little thing down here and shaken its head!Ready to spit people
out of his mouth! Bible quote. I try really hard to live with my emotions in my everyday life,trying to
be as nice as i can with others and with my self, but i have a hard time with the heaven and hell thing. (in my past beliefs). Like on the TV
show 48 hours,where there were some people who had near death experiences, NDE's. And the typical hell experience someone had,. the
person who had the hell experience i have seen on TV-TBN, before when they need someone who had a Hell N.D.E. The problem i have with this is
that there is always a hidden agenda, which is,- measure up or believe in what i believe, or you are going to go to Hell, where you will be
tormented forever or thrown in the lake of fire or some other morbid abusive device because God is an angry God! Bible quote.
I'm a little surprised why God likes to murder,and why he or she is jealous and shows vengeance and shows no mercy.
God reminds me of the movie The Wizard of OZ, When Dorothy her dog the tin man the lion and the scarecrow where in front of the so called OZ,
But at the end they all found out that Oz was a man behind a curtain all along. The big Head of God (OZ) the fames on both sides him, and the
little inner child he had inside (behind the curtain).
Tom R
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From: Harsh Luthar To: smacraeATnospamcamtech.net.au
CC: kundalini-lATnospamexecpc.com Subject: Re: Another Perspective
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Visions, Superconscious states, and various types of psychic abilities may manifest on the spiritual path. They do not resolve the fundamental
question and the mystery of existence.
People say, I like this, I am a professor, I am a psychic, I am a student, I am good, I am a husband, I am a wife, I went here, etc. Who
is this I?
Who is the I that sees, dreams or has visions. Who is the I that reads other people's minds, their akashik records, and their past lives etc.
Without understanding the nature of the I, and resolving the mystery of existence, permanent satisfaction and peace are not gained. It is for
this reason that one should aspire for Self-Knowledge above all else. Every thing else, absolutely without exception, is transient. All
Physical and Psychic abilites meet the same fate. Therefore, the aspirant should with confidence maintain the inner gaze until the "I"
merges into its Source and there emerges the Supereme and the Absolute Beauty, the Core of Being that is Reality itself, the Sat-Chit-Ananda
which is complete and eternal, which gives light and life to the Mind.
With great love in my heart I say God bless everyone with all that is best in life.
Harsh
Susanne Macrae wrote: >
> Harsh Luthar wrote: >
> "True spirituality manifests in our everyday ordinary life and has > little to do with physical and psychic powers"
> > Sprituality embraces all aspects of us, including whatever powers
> may be available to and used by us. We are spiritual beings in a > spiritual world where nothing is excluded from the embrace of the
> spiritual. Would spirituality not include my left arm or my spleen? >
> Individuals can and do use psychic abilities to enhance the conscious > expansion of spirituality in their lives. As Mike Stickles said "an
> obsession with visions or psychic powers is a sure way to wind up > abandoning your spiritual growth" So is an obsession with food, or
> drugs or sex. Any obsession is the ego's way of diverting us from > growth and expansion.
> > Psychic powers, physical powers, divination, etc all have a role in
> spirituality. They are tools for change and growth. Hinduism, > Christianity, Sufism, Buddhism etc etc are nothing more than tools for
> change and growth. >
> There is no wrong or right way to embrace spirituality. If the tool you > choose works for you, it is the right tool. It just isn't necessarily
> right for the next person. >
> Love sue Date: Sun, 23 Nov 1997 00:11:59 -0800
From: E Jason To: kundalini-lATnospamexecpc.com
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Sharon Webb wrote:
> Lobster,
> > Do you have any words of wisdon for one who considers The Great Randi's
> pontifications to be twaddle?
Certainly. Randi is a complete sceptic. His attitude and energy is unbalanced. In other words he
does not want believe that we are in a position were not everything can be explained by our existing methods. The points in the posting were valid, a lot of psychism works
on the level discussed and to deny it shows an inability to grasp that in order for dialogue to remain open between scientists and those of a mystic persuasion there must
be some compromise from both sides. Just as I am not so niave as to suppose that all things are explainable so too am I not
so niave as to believe that you are doing nothing more than making a point. An extreme attitude may make a point but that does not mean we live there.
Most Kind Regards
Lobster
> Sharon
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> ENC Digital Dozen for June '97; Enchantment Award; ArtSearch Featured Site; > NetTech NeatTech: Best of the Web in Educational Technology; Eye Candy
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Date: Sun, 23 Nov 1997 06:35:54 -0500 (EST) From: Daniel James Giszczak
To: Susanne Macrae cc: kundalini-lATnospamexecpc.com
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> I access the Akashic Records for information pertinent to a particular > query or issue.
I've heard of these Records. What do they contain, and how do you access them?
Dan Date: Sun, 23 Nov 1997 05:37:02 -0800 (PST)
From: Lorianna Burkes To: Ruth Trimble , Ken McFarland
Cc: kundalini-lATnospamlists.execpc.com Subject: Re: 48 Hours -Skeptic HEaven
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Please excuse my ignorance, but what exactly is dowsing and how is
this technique applied?
Thanks...
Love and Light
Lorianna
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From: Lorianna Burkes To: smacraeATnospamcamtech.net.au, Daniel James Giszczak
Cc: kundalini-lATnospamexecpc.com Subject: Re: Readings
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Susanne:
Could you please explain to me what Ahashic Records are and how one
can obtain the ability to use them for readings. Thank you...
Love and light...
Lorianna
> I access the Akashic Records for information pertinent to a particular
> query or issue.
linterpretation isn't > called upon.
> > Because I see visually your past life I call it as it is played out.
> This type of reading is often very blunt. Doing our own inner work we > can block our intuition because we may not like to see our self truth.
> This is why the Akashic Record readings are so valuable because I have > no veil of illusion about who you really are and so I can see you past
> life in clarity. >
> Love sue >
>
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Date: Sun, 23 Nov 1997 05:50:36 -0800 (PST) From: Lorianna Burkes
To: Daniel James Giszczak , kundalini-lATnospamexecpc.com Subject: Re: Readings
Message-ID:
Greetings Daniel:
I do readings with several methods. Primarialy i use Tarot, but i also use runes and pendulums. My greatest success has been through
meditation on a particular subject that i may have a question about, or someone else may be questioning, and then to hold my cards in my
hands and using the life force energy determine which cards in my hands are vibrating with the right energy. Those are the cards i use
in the readings.
Love and light...
Lorianna
---Daniel James Giszczak wrote:
> > I am interested in how the other psychics do readings. Flute uses
> tarot. (or I Ching :) ?) How do you others do readings? > Dan
> >
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From: E Jason To: Swiszczowski , kundalini-lATnospamexecpc.com,
insight , OCCULTHAVENATnospamHOME.EASE.LSOFT.COM, hari_patelATnospamlondonelec.co.uk, gmanchaATnospamsrvnt1.upco.es,
rhavyATnospamglobalnet.co.uk, gbsphcmjATnospamibmmail.com Subject: Quotes on Destiny
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> Miscellaneous Quotes on Destiny: > Destiny. A tyrant´s authority for crime and a fool´s excuse for failure.
> Ambrose Bierce (1842–1914), U.S. author >
> I do not believe in a fate that falls on men however they act; but I do > believe in a fate that falls on them unless they act.
> G. K. Chesterton (1874–1936), British author >
> Fate, then, is a name for facts not yet passed under the fire of thought; > for causes which are unpenetrated.
> Ralph Waldo Emerson >
> Remember that you are an actor in a drama, of such a part as it may please > the master to assign you, for a long time or for a little as he may choose.
> And if he will you to take the part of a poor man, or a cripple, or a ruler, > or a private citizen, then may you act that part with grace! For to act well
> the part that is allotted to us, that indeed is ours to do, but to choose it > is another´s.
> Epictetus (c. 55–c. 135 B.C.), Greek Stoic philosopher. >
> Failure or success seem to have been allotted to men by their stars. But > they retain the power of wriggling, of fighting with their star or against
> it, and in the whole universe the only really interesting movement is this > wriggle.
> E. M. Forster (1879–1970), British novelist, >
> Destiny is an absolutely definite and inexorable ruler. Physical ability and > moral determination count for nothing. It is impossible to perform the
> simplest act when the gods say "no." I have no idea how they bring pressure > to bear on such occasions; I only know that it is irresistible.
> Aleister Crowley (1875–1947), British occultist. >
> We are not permitted to choose the frame of our destiny. But what we put > into it is ours.
> Dag Hammarskjöld (1905–61) >
> We are no more free agents than the queen of clubs when she victoriously > takes prisoner the knave of hearts.
> Lady Mary Wortley Montagu (1689–1762), English society figure >
> No cause has he to say his doom is harsh, > Who´s made the master of his destiny.
> Friedrich Von Schiller (1759–1805) >
> The woods are lovely, dark and deep. > But I have promises to keep,
> And miles to go before I sleep. > Robert Frost (1874–1963)
> > ´Tis all a Chequer-board of Nights and Days
> Where Destiny with Men for Pieces plays: > Hither and thither moves, and mates and slays,
> And one by one back in the Closet lays. > Omar Khayyám (11–12th century)
> > It´s extraordinary how we go through life with eyes half shut, with dull
> ears, with dormant thoughts. Perhaps it´s just as well; and it may be that > it is this very dullness that makes life to the incalculable majority so
> supportable and so welcome. > Joseph Conrad (1857–1924)
> > Bierce apparently believes in self-determination. People who are failures
> and criminals are people who do not take charge of their own destiny. > Emerson seems to suggest a similar conviction but with a more complex view.
> Fate, in the opinion of Emerson, varies in accord with the amount of > effortful thought we expend in an effort to understand what lies within us.
> Understanding the "causes which are unpenetrated" apparently means awareness > of that with which we resonant, development of our values systems, honoring
> our vision for the future; Loving the Self.
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Date: Sun, 23 Nov 1997 10:33:06 -0800 (PST) From: M
To: "Tom S" Cc: kundalini-lATnospamexecpc.com
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At 07:20 PM 11/22/97 PST, Tom S wrote: >Dear Kundalini listing,
>I used to be a so called fundamentalist christian a few years ago,until >i got tired of playing with color crayons and coloring books-Religion. I
>was looking for a more loving ,smart,personal God who isn't out of touch >with reality in some cosmic space somewhere, or who is always looking at
>every little thing down here and shaken its head!Ready to spit people >out of his mouth! Bible quote.
RE: NDE's and Hell
I have had one negative spiritual experience and later decided it was my
higher self trying to keep me out of a realm I was in the wrong state of mind to enter at that time.
I think of NDEer's hellish experiences as possibly similar. No kind
relatives saying 'you must go back now'. Instead they decide for themselves because it looks too hellish.
The hellishness can come from their original state of mind and from their
higher self's knowing. The hellisness can be a tool of growth that was shaped from love. It does not have to be interpreted as a punishing God type
experience....
Maybe some humans need to believe in hell. Maybe some NDEers need to experience the darkness in order to grow.
Life goes on.
M Date: Sun, 23 Nov 1997 04:43:11
From: Mystress Angelique Serpent To: smacraeATnospamcamtech.net.au
Cc: kundalini-lATnospamexecpc.com Subject: Re: Another Perspective
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Hiya:
I pretty much agree with your view, except for your exceptions...
At 09:46 23/11/97 +1030, Susanne Macrae wrote: >We are spiritual beings in a
>spiritual world where nothing is excluded from the embrace of the >spiritual. Would spirituality not include my left arm or my spleen?
As Mike Stickles said "an >obsession with visions or psychic powers is a sure way to wind up
>abandoning your spiritual growth" So is an obsession with food, or >drugs or sex. Any obsession is the ego's way of diverting us from
>growth and expansion. >
Hmmm so the left arm and spleen are included as spiritual, but not the obsessions?
K. gives me obsessions periodically, dragging my curiosity into strange places where I must open my consciousness. They come and go.. and leave
wisdom in their wake. I recognise them as stray k-fire, and indulge them as best as I am able..
they pass from my interest more quickly that way. I look back on them with new understanding of myself.. in the path of temptation do we find the
blessings, ... Goddess given. I am not alone in this, I know: there are 12 step programs and support
groups for obsessions from gambling to handwashing. 12 step programs are notorious on this list for causing spontaneous KA, eh?
In the dark, humans draw closer together, and experience greater unity. Obsessions are just the mind asking for help, folks looking for the edges
of their world, to know it better. Finding insight at 12 step programs and therapy.
Obsession has lots to teach, about detachment and balance. So goes the Tao. Blessings, Mystress.
Mystress Angelique Serpent, Dominant Experiential Facilitator.
Website= http://www.domin8rex.com/serpent :D ;) :0 :) ;P :0 ;) :D :0 :) ;P :0 ;) :)
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Vancouver, B.C., Canada. Officially the most beautiful city in the world. Date: Sun, 23 Nov 1997 10:54:58 -0000
From: "F. Drew " To: "E Jason" ,
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O.K.
I give up ! Are The Great Randi, Lobster, and E. Jason the same person ??
* Drew
" So Far; So Good " leydaATnospamvalunet.com
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Date: Sun, 23 Nov 1997 11:28:33 +0100 From: Gloria Greco
To: M CC: Tom S , kundalini-lATnospamexecpc.com
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M wrote:
> > At 07:20 PM 11/22/97 PST, Tom S wrote:
> >Dear Kundalini listing, > >I used to be a so called fundamentalist christian a few years ago,until
> >i got tired of playing with color crayons and coloring books-Religion. I > >was looking for a more loving ,smart,personal God who isn't out of touch
> >with reality in some cosmic space somewhere, or who is always looking at > >every little thing down here and shaken its head!Ready to spit people
> >out of his mouth! Bible quote. >
> RE: NDE's and Hell >
> I have had one negative spiritual experience and later decided it was my > higher self trying to keep me out of a realm I was in the wrong state of
> mind to enter at that time. >
> I think of NDEer's hellish experiences as possibly similar. No kind > relatives saying 'you must go back now'. Instead they decide for themselves
> because it looks too hellish. >
> The hellishness can come from their original state of mind and from their > higher self's knowing. The hellisness can be a tool of growth that was
> shaped from love. It does not have to be interpreted as a punishing God type > experience....
> > Maybe some humans need to believe in hell.
> Maybe some NDEers need to experience the darkness in order to grow. > Life goes on.
> > M
HI M,
It is as simple as working in that astral light where all kinds of lower energies are at work, when you are working from the heart center
and head centers the only time one goes into these regions is for divine will and purpose. And, at that point, it has nothing to hold you with.
God Bless. Gloria
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Hope you enjoy them! Date: Sun, 23 Nov 1997 11:40:21 +0100
From: Gloria Greco To: "F. Drew"
CC: E Jason , kundalini-lATnospamexecpc.com Subject: Re: twaddle
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F. Drew wrote: >
> O.K. > I give up !
> Are The Great Randi, Lobster, and E. Jason the same person ?? > *
> Drew > " So Far; So Good "
> leydaATnospamvalunet.com
The Great RAndi is new to me, but Lobster and Ed are not....great soul under all of the fronts. Gloria
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