1997/11/22 18:58
kundalini-l-d Digest V97 #762
kundalini-l-d Digest Volume 97 : Issue 762
Today's Topics: twaddle [ "Sharon Webb" ]
FIute...Accuracy [ Ruth Trimble ] RE: Another perspective [ Mike Stickles ]
Re: Free quicky Reading [ "F. Drew " ] Re: twaddle [ "F. Drew " ]
Re: Deja Vu [ "F. Drew " ] Prayer/healing thanks [ Mary Ezzell ]
Readings [ Daniel James Giszczak ] Re: Another Perspective [ Teresa ]
Date: Sat, 22 Nov 1997 12:19:33 -0500 From: "Sharon Webb"
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Lobster,
Do you have any words of wisdon for one who considers The Great Randi's pontifications to be twaddle?
Sharon
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From: Ruth Trimble To: kundalini-lATnospamlists.execpc.com
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Hi Fiute... well the reading you did for Lobster.. was accurate for me! Thanks... Ruth
***** Date: Sat, 22 Nov 1997 13:35:02 -0500
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Reminds me of a story about a master and his student. The student said, "After ten years of diligent
practice, I can now levitate myself across the river." The master scolded him, "You would have been better
served to spend those ten years in meditation and service, and taken the boat across the river."
Or the Zen master whose pupil told him of a wonderful
vision of the Buddha he had seen during his meditation. The master replied, "That's nice. Just concentrate on
your breathing and it will go away."
Every mystical tradition, whether Zen, Christian monastic, Sufi, Jewish, whatever, has similar tales. An
obsession with visions or psychic powers is a sure way to wind up abandoning your spiritual growth. Each group
has its own explanations - in Zen these manifestations are called "makkyo" (sp?) and are seen as illusions
created by the mind to "get a break" from the discipline of meditation. Some Christian traditions tend to view
them either as useless distractions, or as demonic counterfeits, which in either case turn our spiritual eyes
away from God and onto ourselves.
- Mike Date: Sat, 22 Nov 1997 02:29:00
From: Mystress Angelique Serpent To: kundalini-lATnospamexecpc.com
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Date: Thu, 20 Nov 1997 14:01:44 +1030 From: Susanne Macrae
To: Daniel James Giszczak CC: kundalini-lATnospamexecpc.com
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>Daniel James Giszczak wrote:
> >> Does anyone know what jobs would be available to me in kundalini
>> research as a psychologist. >> Dan
>Hi Dan, >
>Why not create your own! >
>Sue
Precisely so! Who needs a degree? Not me! I invented my current job, has anyone ever heard of a "Dominant Experiential Facilitator" Ha! Yup, and I
spent 6 years behind a hairstyling chair doing informal psychology, too.. How about "Shaktizap Mystress", for a creative job description?
Become a professional Hypnotherapist. Course is about a year, or less.. they charge about the same hourly rate.
Or an NLP counsellor, or a lifestyle coach, a reiki practitioner, or any of a number of other 90's exotica healers who get along just fine without a
ph.d, using the wisdom of k. fired empathy to help folks grow, and yourself too by the process. Do what you love, the Money will follow,
especially if Goddess is smiling on your efforts at service. K-fire and your ever expanding reputation will soon make up for a lack of
letters after your name.. better to be a brilliant hypnotist than a mediocre engineer.. and self emloyment is definitely a bonus, when K.
decides you need a vacation, or to be nocturnal for a while.. ya know the turns and cycles.. choose something flexible and emotionally rewarding.
Something with an option of putting the office at home.. for the dizzy days when driving seems hazardous..
Thing is, with K. evolution happening, you will be a different person by the time you have your degree.. you will become a different person in many
ways, every few years. You will also be continually getting smarter.. and so picking up new skills will keep on getting easier.. and also you will be
learning to address the power of the miraculous in support of your life... so as someone wrote, focus on living, and being in the moment, listening.
Blessings, Mystress.
Mystress Angelique Serpent, Dominant Experiential Facilitator.
Website= http://www.domin8rex.com/serpent :D ;) :0 :) ;P :0 ;) :D :0 :) ;P :0 ;) :)
Common sense and a sense of humor are the same thing, moving at different speeds. A sense of humor is just common sense, dancing.
-- Clive James ^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^
Vancouver, B.C., Canada. Officially the most beautiful city in the world. Date: Sat, 22 Nov 1997 11:34:32 -0800 (PST)
From: M To: kundalini-lATnospamexecpc.com
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I wrote a friend for Aaron and here's his answer. Thought it might be of interest to the list in general.
>As to monasteries, I haven't visited one in California except the New
>Camaldoli Hermitage near Lucia south of Big Sur. They're a small order >similar to the Trappists that originated in italy. Then there's the
>Trappist monastery in Vina in Northern California, which I keep on >promising myself to visit. There's another Trappist monastery in
>Lafayette, Oregon, Our lady of Guadalupe. >
>For a ten day meditation intensive one can't beat the California >Vipassana Center at North Fork above Fresno.
> > I've got a neat book, Sanctuaries: A Guide to Lodgings in Monasteries,
>Abbeys and Retreats of the West Coast and Southwest. California Vipassana Center is
>not listed because it's relatively new.
M
Date: Sat, 22 Nov 1997 14:15:54 -0000 From: "F. Drew "
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Dear Jan,
I, like you and everyone else may be a bit skeptical from time to time, but
that's o.k. and we can be nice about it as well... However... when someone does a private email, it is considered bad taste to post it to the list.
******* IMHO: It is between them, They should do what they think is right.
* Drew
" So Far; So Good " leydaATnospamvalunet.com
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Date: Sat, 22 Nov 1997 14:31:06 -0000 From: "F. Drew "
To: "Sharon Webb" , Subject: Re: twaddle
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Lobster,
Do you have any words of wisdom for one who considers The Great Randi's pontifications to be twaddle?
******* It's a hard world, Wear a helmet.
* Drew
" So Far; So Good " leydaATnospamvalunet.com
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From: "F. Drew " To: "Wehbi, M. (Rachid)" ,
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If I think of time as not linear but cyclical, and then think of those cycles as packed tight on a spindle (like paper towels or twine), I envision
my dreamself wandering up and down the adjoining few layers or threads on the spindle each night and thus I don't worry about it. I only fret if my
dreamself and my dayself appear to lose the contact that these deja vu's are testament to.
****************************** Very nice: I will try to dream that way.
* Drew
" So Far; So Good " leydaATnospamvalunet.com
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Date: Sat, 22 Nov 1997 12:20:08 -0800 From: Mary Ezzell
To: Subject: Prayer/healing thanks
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My elderly friend has now been 2 months off methadone! Slightly
miraculous.... :-) (Still taking 6 Percocet per day.)
Her arthritis seems to be finally (for the last 5-7 days) responding to ... something. Pain decreasing, phasing out, less of it and less often....
Yesterday it had moved from back to thighs. We're trying to push it on down, ground it out.
Thanks to all who are helping!!!!!
Mary
Date: Sat, 22 Nov 1997 15:23:25 -0500 (EST) From: Daniel James Giszczak
To: kundalini-lATnospamexecpc.com Subject: Readings
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I am interested in how the other psychics do readings. Flute uses
tarot. (or I Ching :) ?) How do you others do readings? Dan
Date: Sat, 22 Nov 1997 17:03:30 -0500 From: "Harsh K. Luthar"
To: Mike Stickles CC: kundalini-lATnospamlists.execpc.com
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It is normal for advanced students on the path to have visions of the
Goddess, Angels, and Saints, etc. Bright and clear visions indicate purity of mind and the fact that the Kundalini Shakti is functioning at
higher centers for that time period. The summer before last I gave a lecture and a seminar at Dartmouth College in New Hampshire on the
Goddess as an important Archetype in our Superconscious. I shared with the audience my poetry of the Goddess and explained the role played by
the Goddess in Hinduism, Jainism, Buddhism and Taoism. I emphasized that the Goddess arises out of the Ocean of Consciousness. While the visions
are not an end in themselves, they provide encouragement to the aspirant. The proper approach is to take a balanced view of things and
not get overly attached to the desire to experience visions.
Mike Stickles wrote:
> > Reminds me of a story about a master and his
> student. The student said, "After ten years of diligent > practice, I can now levitate myself across the river."
> The master scolded him, "You would have been better > served to spend those ten years in meditation and
> service, and taken the boat across the river." >
> Or the Zen master whose pupil told him of a wonderful > vision of the Buddha he had seen during his meditation.
> The master replied, "That's nice. Just concentrate on > your breathing and it will go away."
> > Every mystical tradition, whether Zen, Christian
> monastic, Sufi, Jewish, whatever, has similar tales. An > obsession with visions or psychic powers is a sure way
> to wind up abandoning your spiritual growth. Each group > has its own explanations - in Zen these manifestations
> are called "makkyo" (sp?) and are seen as illusions > created by the mind to "get a break" from the discipline
> of meditation. Some Christian traditions tend to view > them either as useless distractions, or as demonic
> counterfeits, which in either case turn our spiritual eyes > away from God and onto ourselves.
> > - Mike
Date: Sat, 22 Nov 1997 17:21:17 -0500 (EST) From: SchrLLATnospamaol.com
To: kundalini-lATnospamexecpc.com Subject: Re: Deja Vu, a glimpse into the future
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My take on De-ja-vu is that of the dreamer. I dream an incident, and the next day, week, month, year or years later, it comes true. This has happened all
my life. Some of my most vivid dreams have done this.
Why? I think that our lives are predetermined in part. It is just a matter of time before we reach the milestones in our journey.
I think these dreams are teaching dreams. It is as if another part of ourselves shows us a scene from the future, and then when it really happens,
we are already familiar with it and somehow ready for it. One amusing incident that happened to me was part of my work day. I had a
route which I drove to check on magazines. At one stop, I found the lady's room because my bra had come loose and I needed to fix it. I went into a
stall and as I was fixing it, my dream suddenly sprang into consciousness. In the dream, I was in a cubicle fixing my bra!
The teaching? I believe it was a way of learning to accept the possibility that our dreams (nor our spirits) cannot be bound by time.
Such is the essense of spirit. Not only was spirit teaching me, but spirit also had a great sense of humor!
I think this is part of the creative process.
What do you think? Love and Light, Linda ATnospam->->--
Date: Sun, 23 Nov 1997 09:46:23 +1030 From: Susanne Macrae
To: kundalini-lATnospamexecpc.com Subject: Re: Another Perspective
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Harsh Luthar wrote:
"True spirituality manifests in our everyday ordinary life and has little to do with physical and psychic powers"
Sprituality embraces all aspects of us, including whatever powers
may be available to and used by us. We are spiritual beings in a spiritual world where nothing is excluded from the embrace of the
spiritual. Would spirituality not include my left arm or my spleen?
Individuals can and do use psychic abilities to enhance the conscious expansion of spirituality in their lives. As Mike Stickles said "an
obsession with visions or psychic powers is a sure way to wind up abandoning your spiritual growth" So is an obsession with food, or
drugs or sex. Any obsession is the ego's way of diverting us from growth and expansion.
Psychic powers, physical powers, divination, etc all have a role in
spirituality. They are tools for change and growth. Hinduism, Christianity, Sufism, Buddhism etc etc are nothing more than tools for
change and growth.
There is no wrong or right way to embrace spirituality. If the tool you choose works for you, it is the right tool. It just isn't necessarily
right for the next person.
Love sue Date: Sat, 22 Nov 1997 15:45:04 -0800
From: Ken McFarland To: Ruth Trimble
Cc: kundalini-lATnospamlists.execpc.com Subject: Re: 48 Hours -Skeptic HEaven
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At 01:07 PM 11/21/97 -1000, Ruth Trimble wrote:
>I was so disgusted... do you think they are worried about the New Age
>focus ? Too many people getting involved in their other senses and not >believing in the "status quo" paradigm? Too many people thinking for
>themselves and not asking 'experts' opinions? Too many people realizing >that the truth is 'inside' not outside. THIS is very dangerous... they
>have to find ways of putting off the weak....
Dear Ruth,
You are a teacher of our children. I hope you are not teaching them that spreading truth is dangerous.
I hope just to opposite. Do you have any idea how much money poor farmers and other people who can
ill afford it, waste on dowsing? Do you have any idea the psychological damage done by frauds, never mind the
waste of money?
Come on Ruth, surely we must seek the Truth regardless of who's ox gets gored.
Sincerely, Ken
Date: Sun, 23 Nov 1997 10:33:21 +1030 From: Susanne Macrae
To: Daniel James Giszczak CC: kundalini-lATnospamexecpc.com
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You asked how other people conduct readings!
I access the Akashic Records for information pertinent to a particular
query or issue.
For example: You may be having a dilemma over what course to enter and unable to find clarity in the midst of your ponderings. The more
you think, the more your intuitive side hides.
The readings I do will bring out relevant past life experiences to help you understand your current predicament. You may have studied
and worked in the field of Subject A many times in the past and found it financially rewarding but spiritually stifling. In one life you may
have abandoned the road of financial success for spiritual happiness only to find you couln't cope with the lack of funds you felt necessary
for a comfortable life. This could be a major inhibiting factor in career choice today.
This is the type of thing that the readings will point out. Because
they are your past experiences my judgement and interpretation isn't called upon.
Because I see visually your past life I call it as it is played out.
This type of reading is often very blunt. Doing our own inner work we can block our intuition because we may not like to see our self truth.
This is why the Akashic Record readings are so valuable because I have no veil of illusion about who you really are and so I can see you past
life in clarity.
Love sue Date: Sat, 22 Nov 1997 20:23:22 -0500 (EST)
From: DonBBensonATnospamaol.com To: RACHID.WEHBIATnospamroyalbank.com, kundalini-lATnospamlists.execpc.com
cc: CRCollegeATnospamaol.com Subject: Re: Deja Vu
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The Canadian astronomer Hugh Ross, Ph.D., in Beyond the Cosmos: the extra-dimensionality of God: what recent discoveries in astronomy and physics
reveal about the nature of God (Colorado Springs, CO: Navpress, 1996) reviews recent findings in physics and mathematics which prove that the
four-dimensional physical universe of our normal experience requires ten dimensions to exist and function. For instance, relativity and quantum
physics can't both be true unless you plug them into a ten-dimensional mathematical model. (More at web site - http://www.reasons.org)
Thus, God observes and interacts with His creation in at least three
dimensions of time - not the linear, one-directional time we normally experience. He can observe the whole span of linear time from the beginning
to the end of this world - much as you could see the entire span of a parade with a telescope from a helicopter while a child in a crowd at street level
can only see that part of the parade right in front of him. This makes authentic prophecy possible for those who communicate with God. So that, for
example, the prophet Daniel in the sixth century B.C. could write that the Messiah would appear sixty-nine weeks of years (483 years) after the command
to rebuild Jerusalem (Dan.9:25). Lo and behold, King Artaxerxes I of Persia issued that command in the fall of 458 B.C., and Jesus was revealed as the
Messiah exactly 483 years later when He was baptized in the fall of A.D. 26 (Mt.3:13-17).
Persons who are beginning to function and communicate spiritually can access
higher dimensions or reality and receive information about future and past events not available from "street level" in one dimension of time and three
dimensions of space. I think some "deja vu" experiences may very well be a result "glitches" in consciousness. But for spiritually awakened people it
often represents a memory of a preview from a dream or waking vision. These often serve the purpose of alerting us to and preparing us for significant
events and interactions.
It is important not to get "hung up" and bogged down in this phenomenon, but to seek God's will and follow His guidance in each situation He brings to our
attention in a special way. Peace. Date: Sat, 22 Nov 1997 05:34:30 -0700
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Yes, there are some frauds - as in all endeavours. But you should not write off all dowsing as being fraudulent.
I have used dowsing tools for over 40 years, with great success. Using a Pendulum, you can go beyond dowsing for water and minerals - and use
it to get answers to most questions.
And MOST people can be successful dowsers if they try - and if they beleive that they can access a higher level.
I have posted a basic course on dowsing - and its application to locate
landmines - which you can see from the Canadian Society of Questers; if you wish, go "http://users.uniserve.com/~questers/" and then click on 'weblinks'.
I beleive that if people learnt how to use a Pendulum to ask for answers to
questions, then much of the worlds problems could be overcome. If I do not know which way to go (in life, or phsyically) then I ask for
help using my Pendulum. It can advise on health matters, find lost or stolen goods, and even help you decide for whom you should vote.
If politicians would use it, we could get them doing good !
John
At 03:45 PM 11/22/97 -0800, you wrote:
>Do you have any idea how much money poor farmers and other people who can >ill afford it, waste on dowsing?
>Do you have any idea the psychological damage done by frauds, never mind the >waste of money?
>Ken
> >
>
J.M.Living, P.Eng., A wise old owl lived in an oak; 2731 West 11th.Avenue, the more he saw, the less he spoke;
Vancouver, B.C., the less he spoke, the more he heard; Canada V6K 2L8 he was definitely not a political bird !
Vox & Fax (604) 737-7456 Date: Sat, 22 Nov 1997 20:57:06 -0500
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Susanne Macrae wrote:
> Psychic powers, physical powers, divination, etc all have a role in > spirituality. They are tools for change and growth. Hinduism,
> Christianity, Sufism, Buddhism etc etc are nothing more than tools for > change and growth.
>
This is very true. There are those who thing that the content of our visions are archtypal, and so convey great meaning.
Our visions often bring up the "stuff" that is buried in us and let us
clear it out. I do not ignore phenomena, I work with it. Once the stuff is cleared, spiritual progress is evident in that a chakra is more open,
etc. Teresa
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