1997/11/19 01:32
kundalini-l-d Digest V97 #755
kundalini-l-d Digest Volume 97 : Issue 755
Today's Topics:
Re: AutoPost from Kundalini Resource [ Gloria Greco <lodpressATnospamintercomm.co ]
FW: Profound Thoughts [ "POOPATHY B. MUNIANDY" <BOWIEATnospamPO2.t ]
Re: Working with Spirit [ John Halonen <jh2owbmATnospammoa.net> ]
Re: AutoPost from Kundalini Resource [ Harsh Luthar <hlutharATnospamkeynes.bryant ]
Re: Working with Spirit [ M <chooseagainATnospamthegrid.net> ]
Re: Third eye chakra [ PEGLUMPKINATnospamaol.com ]
Re: Working with Spirit [ Susanne Macrae <smacraeATnospamcamtech.net ]
Re: Working with Spirit [ M <chooseagainATnospamthegrid.net> ]
Recent experience [ Richard Wentk <richardATnospamskydancer.co ]
Re: Monksville or Bust [ PEGLUMPKINATnospamaol.com ]
Re: Working with Spirit [ Susanne Macrae <smacraeATnospamcamtech.net ]
Date: Mon, 17 Nov 1997 20:39:04 +0100
From: Gloria Greco <lodpressATnospamintercomm.com>
To: starnycATnospamaol.com
CC: kundalini-lATnospamexecpc.com
Subject: Re: AutoPost from Kundalini Resource Center
Message-ID: <34709D57.5262ATnospamintercomm.com>
Melinda Guttmann wrote:
>
> Bless all of you,
>
> I have had cosmic consciousness, and openings of the heart for many years. For the last year I had meditated with a Buddhist meditation teacher, who abandoned me two months ago when I started having a kundalini awakening. It started as a severe pain, and a shock of rainbow energy flowing up through the crown chakra. Now, my symtoms are quite intense. I have a sphere of light, with visions of faces, around my body and intense lights when I close my eyes. and 3-d effects. I am a univer
I think you were cut off here. Welcome to the list. Not uncommon at all
to have these experiences, you open a window of awareness to the
otherside. Check out my homepage awakening story and then we can talk.
Gloria
--
Enter The Silence to Know God ... and... accept life as the teacher.
Gloria Joy Greco
e-mail me at : lodpressATnospamintercomm.com and visit our homepages at:
http://users.intercomm.com/larryn/
&
http://www.freeyellow.com/members/zg888/
Hope you enjoy them!
Date: Tue, 18 Nov 97 14:45:00 PST
From: "POOPATHY B. MUNIANDY" <BOWIEATnospamPO2.ta.com.my>
To: "'kundalini'" <kundalini-lATnospamexecpc.com>
Subject: FW: Profound Thoughts
Message-Id: <34721BEBATnospamSMTPGATE.TA.COM.MY>
Imagine there is a bank which credits your account each morning with =
$86,400, carries over no balance from day to day, allows you to keep no =
cash balance, and every evening cancels whatever part of the amount you =
had failed
to use during the day.
What would you do?
Draw out every cent, of course!
Well, everyone has such a bank. Its name is TIME. Every morning, it
credits you with 86,400 seconds. Every night it writes off, as lost, =
whatever of this you have failed to invest to good purpose. It carries =
over no balance. It allows no overdraft. Each day it opens a new =
account for you.
Each night it burns the records of the day. If you fail to use the =
day's deposits, the loss is yours. There is no going back. There is no =
drawing against the "tomorrow". You must live in the present on today's =
deposits. Invest it so as to get from it the utmost in health, =
happiness and success!
The clock is running. Make the most of today..
To realize the value of ONE YEAR
Ask a student who has failed his exam.
To realize the value of ONE MONTH
Ask a mother who has given birth to a premature baby.
To realize the value of ONE WEEK
Ask an editor of a weekly newspaper.
To realize the value of ONE DAY
Ask a daily wage laborer who has ten kids to feed.
To realize the value of ONE HOUR
Ask the lovers who are waiting to meet
To realize the value of ONE MINUTE
Ask a person who has missed the train.
To realize the value of ONE SECOND
Ask the person who has won a silver medal in Olympics.
Treasure every moment that you have! And treasure it more because you
shared it with someone special... special enough to have your time... =
and
remember time waits for no one.
-
Date: Tue, 21 Oct 1997 08:47:22 -0700
From: John Halonen <jh2owbmATnospammoa.net>
To: kundalini-lATnospamexecpc.com
Subject: Re: Working with Spirit
Message-ID: <344CCE8A.C0BFE881ATnospammoa.net>
I work in an office environment with all different types of people in a school
district.
I try and always think about the positive side of people even after bad
encounters.
Sometimes I leave poems posted to walls without any names on them.
Every day I try to see it as new, and the only way to really do this is to look
inside yourself
when you think there is a problem, and you see there is no problem.
Nothing anyone says can hurt you. But you can definitely heal the wounds of
others with a few kind words.
Working with others in any environment is definitely a lesson in working with
spirit.
> M Wrote:
<SNIP>
> When in a dark place
> sometimes it is best to leave,
> but
> sometimes the best thing to do is shine some light, ya know?
> <snip>
> In spite of all of this my body can hardly stand being at work anymore. I
> make it in only about 3 days per week now and although I am less healthy for
> it I consider it a service as well as a financial necessity. I am hoping
> and praying for a better solution...
>
Why does it make you less healthy?
> <snip>
> M
Blessings to all!!!
John Halonen
Date: Tue, 18 Nov 1997 09:32:19 -0500 (EST)
From: Harsh Luthar <hlutharATnospamkeynes.bryant.edu>
To: Melinda Guttmann <starnycATnospamaol.com>
cc: kundalini-lATnospamexecpc.com, kundalini-lATnospamlists.execpc.com
Subject: Re: AutoPost from Kundalini Resource Center
Message-ID: <Pine.OSF.3.96.971118090541.2539A-100000ATnospamkeynes.bryant.edu>
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There are many spiritual communities in New York, including the Jain
Meditation Center that I am familiar with, which may be supportive. You
may want to read about Ramana Maharishi. There is probably a group of his
devotees in New York. See which teacher or community your mind gets tuned
to. It may help to read my paper on Kundalini awakening on the spiritual
path (on the Kundalini Home page mailing list). Normal awakening of
Kundalini Shakti allows one to balance the spiritual and the worldly life.
Ultimately, the spiritual life takes us beyond visions and colors and
cosmic consciousness and so forth. What do those things mean if have no
peace of mind that comes from knowing our original and pure nature. On the
path of Kundalini Yoga, I have seen too many gimmicks and too many
charlatans. If your spiritual search is sincere you can easily avoid such
things. Otherwise the endless parade continues. By the way, I am also a
professor.
Harsh K. Luthar
On Mon, 17 Nov 1997, Melinda Guttmann wrote:
> Bless all of you,
>
> I have had cosmic consciousness, and openings of the heart for many years. For the last year I had meditated with a Buddhist meditation teacher, who abandoned me two months ago when I started having a kundalini awakening. It started as a severe pain, and a shock of rainbow energy flowing up through the crown chakra. Now, my symtoms are quite intense. I have a sphere of light, with visions of faces, around my body and intense lights when I close my eyes. and 3-d effects. I am a university professor and cannot teach and need suppport--go from bliss to depression--need a Buddhist or Hindu teacher in New York--
>
>
Date: Tue, 18 Nov 1997 10:59:45 -0800 (PST)
From: M <chooseagainATnospamthegrid.net>
To: jh2owbmATnospammoa.net
Cc: kundalini-lATnospamexecpc.com
Subject: Re: Working with Spirit
Message-Id: <199711181859.KAA04828ATnospamgridsat.thegrid.net>
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At 08:47 AM 10/21/97 -0700, John Halonen wrote:
>> In spite of all of this my body can hardly stand being at work anymore. I
>> make it in only about 3 days per week now and although I am less healthy for
>> it I consider it a service as well as a financial necessity. I am hoping
>> and praying for a better solution...
>>
>
>Why does it make you less healthy?
>
After a chemical injury I am weak and now must deal with new building
sickness. Chemical outgassing from new materials. As well as mold and
fungus from construction dirt, etc. All this makes me weaker *and* causes
forgetfulness, confusion, etc. Not good at all.
A toxicologist just told me I may be able to heal completely - but not if I
keep getting re-exposed. I was hoping the 2 or 3 days a week would carry me
through to healing, but now must reconsider. It is hard to know what to do.
I am thinking it is time to be more careful and protective of this body and
mind than I have been to date.
M
Date: Tue, 18 Nov 1997 15:06:53 -0500 (EST)
From: PEGLUMPKINATnospamaol.com
To: SpiritDeeATnospamwebtv.net, kundalini-lATnospamexecpc.com
Subject: Re: Third eye chakra
Message-ID: <971118150549_1114316459ATnospammrin53.mail.aol.com>
In a message dated 97-11-08 21:29:12 EST, you write:
<< I have noticed a circular pattern between my eyebrows around the size of
a nickel, slightly reddish in color. Have had sinus congestion, went to
the doc but the meds (Claritin-d and cephalexin) aren't helping. >>
I've been off line for two weeks and am just catching up with list mail.
(Phew!) Well, I have that same red spot between the eyebrows as well as
chronic pain in the forehead. I went to the KRN conference, and with all the
kundalini awakened people sitting together for 12 hours a day, the pain and
pressure got so intense I thought my forehead would explode. Since having
had an acupuncture treatment five days ago I have had no pain. The
acupuncturist noticed, as I had, that I also have a large red oval over the
throat area. It is hot to the touch. This has only been there about a week,
during which time I have been cleaning, organizing, and purging my household
like a madwoman and babbling like Chatty Cathy. The acupuncturist told me
the pain is where the energy blockage is. During the acupuncture session, I
was for the first time able to make the brow chakra spin clockwise. (I still
can't believe it when I say things like this.) I'm going back for another
session this week and will let you know if it continues to help the forehead
sinus/third eye pain.
Peg
Date: Wed, 19 Nov 1997 09:32:12 +1030
From: Susanne Macrae <smacraeATnospamcamtech.net.au>
To: M <chooseagainATnospamthegrid.net>
CC: kundalini-lATnospamexecpc.com
Subject: Re: Working with Spirit
Message-ID: <34721E74.7E71ATnospamcamtech.net.au>
Hi M and others with sick building syndrome and chemical intolerances,
I went through all this as well some years ago. I felt that I was going
to die.
I felt I was being forced to take stock of myself, my life, my
relationship with the planet and that I must change in order to survive.
A friend asked me if I knew anyone that wanted to rent an isolated
farmhouse. After a month or two contemplation I decided to rent it
myself. I took my son 80 kilometres away from our home to live very
frugally in isolation. I bought only whole food from the earth, nothing
processed. I ate only organic food and drank only uncontaminated water.
My days were spent writing and recycling our waste. I made recycled
paper and I worked with wood. I did wood carving and furniture making.
(None of which I had ever tackled before)Eventually I was able to
recycle 100% of our waste. Long walks in the cool of the morning were a
daily event. I found my energy increased enormously and I would wake
naturally at 6.00 am and not be ready for bed until midnight. I watched
no television and had no access to other media. It saved my life.
This lasted 5 months and then I felt well enough to return home.
Anyone experiencing severe reactions to their environment MUST assess
their lifestyle. You are being told in no uncertain terms to change.
Income may be a problem but it is my experience that money issues are
resolvable once the decision to live in greater harmony with yourself
and your environment is made. There is an answer to every problem.
I really urge those of you suffering like this to make a change in the
environment that is causing problems.
Love sue
M wrote:
>
After a chemical injury I am weak and now must deal with new building
> sickness. Chemical outgassing from new materials. As well as mold and
> fungus from construction dirt, etc. All this makes me weaker *and* causes
> forgetfulness, confusion, etc. Not good at all.
Date: Tue, 18 Nov 1997 16:30:44 -0800 (PST)
From: M <chooseagainATnospamthegrid.net>
To: smacraeATnospamcamtech.net.au
Cc: kundalini-lATnospamexecpc.com
Subject: Re: Working with Spirit
Message-Id: <199711190030.QAA23353ATnospamgridsat.thegrid.net>
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At 09:32 AM 11/19/97 +1030, Susanne Macrae wrote:
>Hi M and others with sick building syndrome and chemical intolerances,
>I went through all this as well some years ago. I felt that I was going
>to die. I felt I was being forced to take stock of myself, my life, my
>relationship with the planet and that I must change in order to survive.
>A friend asked me if I knew anyone that wanted to rent an isolated
>farmhouse. After a month or two contemplation I decided to rent it
>myself. I took my son 80 kilometres away from our home to live very
>frugally in isolation. I bought only whole food from the earth, nothing
>processed. I ate only organic food and drank only uncontaminated water.
>My days were spent writing and recycling our waste. I made recycled
>paper and I worked with wood. I did wood carving and furniture making.
>(None of which I had ever tackled before)Eventually I was able to
>recycle 100% of our waste. Long walks in the cool of the morning were a
>daily event. I found my energy increased enormously and I would wake
>naturally at 6.00 am and not be ready for bed until midnight. I watched
>no television and had no access to other media. It saved my life.
>
>This lasted 5 months and then I felt well enough to return home.
>
>Anyone experiencing severe reactions to their environment MUST assess
>their lifestyle. You are being told in no uncertain terms to change.
>Income may be a problem but it is my experience that money issues are
>resolvable once the decision to live in greater harmony with yourself
>and your environment is made. There is an answer to every problem.
>I really urge those of you suffering like this to make a change in the
>environment that is causing problems.
>
Dear Sue,
Thank you so much for the encouragement. I am reaching similar conclusions.
I doubt I will have to move to the woods but I may always fill my diet with
natural unprocessed food and may not return to my unhealthy work environment
for a long time.
I wrestle with thinking I created this mess and can will it away. Well,
yes, I did create it - in a sense only; wound up in it possibly so that I
would learn that "willing" sometimes requires more than a mental exercise.
In this situation willing resulted in no longer ignoring (or willing away)
but learning to listen and really pay attention to all the warning signals
my body (brain included) is sending me, and to heed them, even the little
ones. Heed them far more than the stuff that society, my employer, or the
current New Age philosopy would have me follow.
Deciding to listen to my body's cries for help may be THE answer to my
prayers and to my attempts to will it all away in a few deep meditation
sessions and exercises in attitude adjustment. Your encouragement helps.
Already thinking ahead, I would love to know, did you vary your lifestyle
even after the five months away? Did you need to be cautious thereafter?
What modification to the earlier lifestyle seem most important? Are you no
longer at all chemically sensitive? It would be a wonderful thing to think
that could happen.
Congratulations on your self healing and thank you for letting us all know
how you did it!
With much appreciation,
M
Date: Wed, 19 Nov 1997 00:37:22 +0000
From: Richard Wentk <richardATnospamskydancer.com>
To: kundalini-lATnospamexecpc.com
Subject: Recent experience
Message-Id: <3.0.32.19971119003636.00752350ATnospammail.which.net>
Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii"
Hi!
Last week I had what I think may have been a precursor of the full
kundalini experience. A wave of bright tingly energy started moving slowly
up my spine one night. At the time I relaxed into it and breathed energy in
through my feet, which seemed to help. But I felt strange for about a week
afterwards. Dreams have been more vivid too. Other than that it hasn't been
too dramatic.
But I'm wondering - what happens now? Is that it, or should I get ready for
more? And if so - how?
All suggestions greatfully received!
Many thanks,
Richard
P.S. To put this into context - I've been meditating regularly for about
eight years, and doing a lot of energy work for maybe half that time. I
recently started a long Tantra course, which may have triggered the
experience.
Date: Tue, 18 Nov 1997 20:52:23 -0500 (EST)
From: PEGLUMPKINATnospamaol.com
To: kundalini-lATnospamexecpc.com
Subject: Re: Monksville or Bust
Message-ID: <971118205223_-2008224026ATnospammrin40.mail.aol.com>
In a message dated 97-11-11 13:12:36 EST, David Hodges writes:
<< if you are serious about yourspiritual path, to own it and live it
everywhere. Don't blame the office for holding you back. >>
The essential thing seems to be integrating spirituality wherever you find
yourself. It's probably easier within the safety of a spiritual community
than at a cocktail party or on a crowded freeway. Maybe this is the
warrior's path. One of my own most transcendent moments of joy, peace, and
thankfulness came while I was cleaning up dog vomit! Maybe what Aaron is
feeling, like me, is the longing for a teacher.
Peg
Date: Wed, 19 Nov 1997 18:59:17 +1030
From: Susanne Macrae <smacraeATnospamcamtech.net.au>
To: M <chooseagainATnospamthegrid.net>
CC: kundalini-lATnospamexecpc.com
Subject: Re: Working with Spirit
Message-ID: <3472A35D.7AF5ATnospamcamtech.net.au>
Hi M,
M said
>
> Deciding to listen to my body's cries for help may be THE answer to my
> prayers and to my attempts to will it all away in a few deep meditation
> sessions and exercises in attitude adjustment. Your encouragement helps.
>
> Already thinking ahead, I would love to know, did you vary your lifestyle
> even after the five months away? Did you need to be cautious thereafter?
> What modification to the earlier lifestyle seem most important? Are you no
> longer at all chemically sensitive? It would be a wonderful thing to think
> that could happen.
>
I learnt a wonderful lesson from my experience of severe chemical
allergy. We can aspire to be truly spiritual beings. We can spend time
in meditation. We can focus on sending love and light to every creature
in the Universe. None of this means diddly squeak if we don't address
the physical issues confronting humanity and our planet. We live in a
physical world. This world is experiencing massive degredation. By
focusing just on our spiritual aspirations and neglecting the spiritual
evolution of the planet (and our own physical abuse) is gross
ineptitude. There is no spiritual gain if we leave this planet in the
mess we have made of it.
When I went home again after the 5 months I expected to go back to my
old lifestyle, with some modification. As a result I did have a
relapse. I turned this around fairly quickly though. Kundalini has been
very particular about what I eat. I completely stopped all meat whilst
on my 5 month retreat. Since then I have further limited my diet. I
now eat only fruit and vegetables, nuts and seeds, some live yoghurt
and a fresh, free range non fertile egg each day (We have chooks and
no rooster so I know the eggs are non fertile).
I eat no grains, no processed food. Some time ago an inner voice told
me to only eat "live" food. I did a lot of experimentation with this
and discovered that cooking in certain ways actually activates food
(shades of kundalini??!!) One nutrition manual showed me that vitamins
and minerals increase when vegetables are cooked.
Now I have been told to eat only tree food. This is the next stage and
I guess will include just fruits, nuts and seeds from trees. I believe
Kundalini is pushing me towards breatharianism.
My chemical reactions are no longer a problem. If I have sustained
contact I get ill. For example if I had to sit in a room with new
carpet for a day I would get ill. Short and brief contact doesn't have
the detrimental effect it used to. I only use "safe" products in the
home for cleaning. When one of the neighbouring farmers aerial sprayed
his crop recently I got a hefty lung full before I got inside and
suffered no ill effect. A couple of years ago that would have put me to
bed for days.
The main things I had to do in my life were give up alcohol, cigarettes,
stop using chemicals for cleaning in the home, pay attention to my body
and pay attention to what was happening to the planet, to the land.
I needed to give up unsatisfying work and focus on finding employment
that brought joy to my heart. This I found by working for myself and
eventually starting a business.
The "paying attention to my body" and listening to the Kundalini
messages and tuning into the intuitive self were really the most
important things.
Love, sue
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