1997/11/15 10:17
kundalini-l-d Digest V97 #751
kundalini-l-d Digest Volume 97 : Issue 751
Today's Topics:
Stuck [ Tim Duna <tdunaATnospamlax.net> ]
RE: The Awakening Heart [ Mike Stickles <msticklesATnospamantalys.co ]
RE: Energy fields and the body [ Mike Stickles <msticklesATnospamantalys.co ]
Re: As long as I'm still on... [ "Harsh K. Luthar" <hlutharATnospamresearch ]
sorrow after k experience [ merlinATnospampnn.com ]
Re: Stuck [ "Debora A. Orf" <dorf01ATnospammail.win.or ]
Re: sorrow after k experience [ "Debora A. Orf" <dorf01ATnospammail.win.or ]
Re: As long as I'm still on..Tim!!! [ Gloria <glorybeATnospamintrepid.net> ]
the Sun Dance [ turtleATnospamici.net (Turtle Woman) ]
Re: Stuck [ "Jason S. White" <zymphtATnospambluewin.ch ]
Re: The Spiritual Experience and Kun [ fransATnospamtelebyte.nl ]
Re: As long as I'm still on... [ LilEliATnospamaol.com ]
[K] Sore throat - chakra related? [ "Kim Major" <kimajorATnospamhotmail.com> ]
AutoPost from Kundalini Resource Cen [ Jayaraj Batumalai <blueguyATnospamrocketma ]
Re: Third eye chakra [ Dolce Vita <lissetteATnospambridge.net> ]
RE: Energy fields and the body [ Mary Ezzell <maryATnospamsonic.net> ]
Re: As long as I'm still on... [ Gloria Greco <lodpressATnospamintercomm.co ]
Re: [K] Sore throat - chakra related [ "F. Drew " <leydaATnospamvalunet.com> ]
Date: Fri, 14 Nov 1997 11:05:43 -0600
From: Tim Duna <tdunaATnospamlax.net>
To: kundalini-lATnospamexecpc.com
Subject: Stuck
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At 06:56 AM 11/14/97 -0600, you wrote:
>Keep posting, Tim, I think perhaps you are here to teach us something.
>Sometimes I feel pain is not something to be understood, but rather to
>be sanctified. Maybe as some of us wake up, we become sin-eaters.
>There is a Jewish mystical teaching about the lamed-vov, the 34 Just
>people who live on the earth at any given time. They are not saints,
>though there is true goodness in them; rather, they experience
>excruciating pain and if any one of them were to disappear the universe
>would instantly collapse. They are not likely to be famous and
>revered. Jews, not coincidentally, have a spiritual practice where
>they go into the woods and scream at/for God. Your capacity for pain
>must also reflect an equal potential for God-knowing. Love, Holly
>
Well, I'm stuck here anyway. I can't seem to get off the list any
way. Perhaps I should try subscribing again and then trying to unsubscribe?
I've heard a similar thing at a website that had information about
Avatars. That 50 or so people on earth that are God-realized at all times.
These are the protectors of the earth, or something like that. This number
increases during an Avataric period (we're in one now), when one age runs
into a new age. Then, the Avatar Avatar appears, the first consciousness in
the universe that made it back to union with God when God seperated itself.
This information is from some of Meher Baba's writings, said to be an Avatar
himself. I'm sure I am losing the energy behind it, but this is the just of it.
Many traditions seem to find that suffering by one person can
alleviate the suffering of others. The Native Americans have that sundance
ritual, the one where they put hooks in your cheast and to get out of them,
you rip yourself out of them, after a day to three I think. I think it's
portrayed in the movie, 'A Man Called Horse'. I myself begin to wonder if
suffering is a universal karma. A great block in the consciousness of God.
I know many of God's aspects, but I don't know the white light, not
fully.
Tim
Date: Fri, 14 Nov 1997 11:46:15 -0500
From: Mike Stickles <msticklesATnospamantalys.com>
To: kundalini-lATnospamexecpc.com, acarreATnospamconcentric.net
Subject: RE: The Awakening Heart
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Well,
>Mike Stickles wrote:
>> What I do is wear my watch on my belt. That keeps the battery
and
>> whatnot separated from my body by an inch or so, which for me
was
>> enough to eliminate the effects. That also keeps it easy to
see and
>> out of the way.
>I thought of this ones, also, but i told myself, if it affects
my arm
>the way it did, what would they do to my organs, mostly my
genitals?
>Antoine
since I started doing this before I got married, and my fourth child was
born
only a few months after my sixth anniversary, and all four seem quite
normal
(the oldest two are quite advanced intellectually and spiritually - the
youngest
two are too young to easily tell yet), I can probably assume that it
hasn't had
any deleterious effects on me in that way :-). Of course, that's not a
guarantee
that it wouldn't affect someone else.
- Mike
Date: Fri, 14 Nov 1997 11:58:07 -0500
From: Mike Stickles <msticklesATnospamantalys.com>
To: kundalini-lATnospamexecpc.com
Subject: RE: Energy fields and the body
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Funny how in some areas we react to things similarly, and in others
we react so differently. For example, Gloria wrote:
> Computers do tend to go crazy at times, watches, that kind of
stuff.
which has definitely been my experience. On the other hand, she also
noted:
> My body is extremely sensitive to anything going in. Before
that they
> had run a cat scan on my brain and almost killed me with the
iodine,
> after the iodine I became sensitive to everything. The body
seems to
> run on a very delicate thread.
My experience has been the opposite. When I began to "awaken" to the
chakras, intuition, etc, my body began to ignore drugs going in. When I
went into the hospital for a kidney stone (caused by a combination of
poor diet and _very_ hard water), they gave me morphine for the pain.
The
doctor was astounded by how much they had to give me - seven vials -
before I could feel any relief at all (and even then, it wasn't much).
Other
prescription drugs are mostly the same; over-the-counter stuff like
Advil
and Tylenol are a waste of money for me - I'd get as much effect from
taking Sweet Tarts. This has forced me to learn different strategies for
dealing with pain - namely a combination of prayer and meditation.
(Hmmm... body giving me a lesson here, maybe? :-).
Sounds, in general, like these experiences combine universality with
individuality - so much that we share, so much that varies.
- Mike
Date: Fri, 14 Nov 1997 13:07:19 -0500
From: "Harsh K. Luthar" <hlutharATnospamresearch1.bryant.edu>
To: "Holly N. Barrett, Ph.D." <hbarrettATnospamix.netcom.com>
CC: Tim Duna <tdunaATnospamlax.net>, kundalini-lATnospamexecpc.com
Subject: Re: As long as I'm still on...
Message-ID: <346C9357.3553ATnospamacad.bryant.edu>
Holly N. Barrett, Ph.D. wrote:
>
> .............................. Your capacity for pain
> must also reflect an equal potential for God-knowing. Love, Holly
Indeed, Tim, there is truth in that. Between the ages of 18 and 21 I
went through an extremely difficult period of spiritual awakening. I
cried every night and prayed to God to spare me and made all sorts of
promises to be good. I often thought that I would not wish such mental
suffering on my worst enemy. By divine grace, I found the right
spiritual teacher for me. After that Ramana Maharishi started to appear
in my dreams to guide me and was very kind to me. Eventually Shakti
started rising in meditation in a normal way. Superconscious states and
experiences became natrual and easy. I was not yet 24, when one day in
Kevala Nirvikalpa Samadhi, I realized experientially the core of my
being as pure Sat-Chit-Ananda.
There is always light at the end of the tunnel even if it seems now like
a never ending tunnel. Cultivate love and compassion in your life and do
not be afraid to cry. Keep good company, eat proper and nutritious
foods, exercise and get adequate sleep. My heart is always full of love
especially for spiritual seekers.
Date: Fri, 14 Nov 1997 09:20:10 -0800 (PST)
From: merlinATnospampnn.com
To: kundalini-lATnospamexecpc.com
Subject: sorrow after k experience
Message-Id: <199711141720.JAA07129ATnospampnn.com>
What's Going On
Wolf asks: "What's going on?"
My first response, "I do not know."
Gives way to silent
"Yes, I do."
I carry grief for all I've seen
Who grease their hands
Before they pick up boulders
I carry grief for all I've seen
Who hold their hads in flame,
Yet cry, "This hurts! Why me? No fair!"
I carry grief for all I've seen
Whose gleaming light within remains:
Untouched
Untapped
Unknown
Oh Mother, thrice beloved One,
I thank you for this gift
You have bestowed.
I know it leads me closer , still,
To You in me.
Yet -
Hold my hand a bit,
Please hold my heart.
My gaze goes back
To where I was at home.
Blythe
Date: Fri, 14 Nov 1997 11:36:00 -0600 (CST)
From: "Debora A. Orf" <dorf01ATnospammail.win.org>
To: Tim Duna <tdunaATnospamlax.net>
cc: kundalini-lATnospamexecpc.com, kundalini-lATnospamlists.execpc.com
Subject: Re: Stuck
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On Fri, 14 Nov 1997, Tim Duna wrote:
>I don't know the white light, not fully.
but it knows you.
one feels like a
mouse in
a
maze,
but the direction
is
always
toward
home.
Emaho!
written by my mental seashore, as i collect conch
shells on the beach.
hmm--they all turn toward the right....
maitri,
--dao
Date: Fri, 14 Nov 1997 13:54:27 -0600 (CST)
From: "Debora A. Orf" <dorf01ATnospammail.win.org>
To: merlinATnospampnn.com
cc: kundalini-lATnospamexecpc.com, kundalini-lATnospamlists.execpc.com
Subject: Re: sorrow after k experience
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On Fri, 14 Nov 1997 merlinATnospampnn.com wrote:
> What's Going On
>
> Wolf asks: "What's going on?"
> My first response, "I do not know."
> Gives way to silent
> "Yes, I do."
>
> I carry grief for all I've seen
> Who grease their hands
> Before they pick up boulders
>
> I carry grief for all I've seen
> Who hold their hads in flame,
> Yet cry, "This hurts! Why me? No fair!"
>
> I carry grief for all I've seen
> Whose gleaming light within remains:
> Untouched
> Untapped
> Unknown
>
> Oh Mother, thrice beloved One,
> I thank you for this gift
> You have bestowed.
> I know it leads me closer , still,
> To You in me.
> Yet -
> Hold my hand a bit,
> Please hold my heart.
> My gaze goes back
> To where I was at home.
>
i have wandered
it seems
for centuries
looking for my home.
Every house
eventually
decayed into
ruin.
i was one
who put her hands
in the fire
and called 'HOT!'
and today
i am
not seperate
from those
beings.
the
everbranching
reality
that forms
in every single
atom
of every single
being
connecting me
to the View
to the point
i cant
point
to me
anymore.
then only then
is there somewhere
like
home.
om ah hung vajra guru padme siddhi hung!
now if inner
can equal outer
there may be
progress made.
--dao
Date: Fri, 14 Nov 1997 16:37:20 -0500
From: Gloria <glorybeATnospamintrepid.net>
To: kundalini-lATnospamexecpc.com
Subject: Re: As long as I'm still on..Tim!!!
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At 06:56 AM 11/14/97 -0600, you wrote:
>Keep posting, Tim, I think perhaps you are here to teach us something.
>Sometimes I feel pain is not something to be understood, but rather to
>be sanctified. Maybe as some of us wake up, we become sin-eaters.
>There is a Jewish mystical teaching about the lamed-vov, the 34 Just
>people who live on the earth at any given time. They are not saints,
>though there is true goodness in them; rather, they experience
>excruciating pain and if any one of them were to disappear the universe
>would instantly collapse. They are not likely to be famous and
>revered. Jews, not coincidentally, have a spiritual practice where
>they go into the woods and scream at/for God. Your capacity for pain
>must also reflect an equal potential for God-knowing. Love, Holly
>
>Teach us, indeed. All the Lamentations and so many Psalms were a way of
screaming at God, describing the pain. To be in some rush to get Tim to
change.. even with the good intention of getting him out of pain...is
merely to describe how uncomfortable WE are.
Hurry up please, so we don't have to watch this anymore. Those who can sit
with the dying, who are able to clean up others messes.. have a capapcity
to endure pain.. it is those who do not wish to be aware of the darkside,
who may fall prey to it. Reality, indeed. Tim is to be commended for his
courage here. God-knowing is not all love and light experiences, but may
include a dark night of the soul. Keep posting Tim. We need to hear you.
Gloria Lee
Date: Fri, 14 Nov 1997 16:39:08 -0400
From: turtleATnospamici.net (Turtle Woman)
To: kundalini-lATnospamexecpc.com
Subject: the Sun Dance
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> Many traditions seem to find that suffering by one person can
>alleviate the suffering of others. The Native Americans have that sundance
>ritual, the one where they put hooks in your cheast and to get out of them,
>you rip yourself out of them, after a day to three I think. I think it's
>portrayed in the movie, 'A Man Called Horse'. I myself begin to wonder if
>suffering is a universal karma. A great block in the consciousness of God.
>
> I know many of God's aspects, but I don't know the white light, not
>fully.
>
>
>Tim
This is not the total meaning of the sundance and so possibly you may need
to re-evaluate your conclussions.
first the most important thing in the native culture is survival of the
tribe. The most sacred memebers of the tribe are the elders, because of
their wisdom. In many cultures the women are so important because they
decide weater there will be a war or a hunt. and why. They are important
becuase they give life and suffer great pain for the survival of the next
seven generations. All things are done with the thought of the well being
of the next seven generations (continuation of the species.). Men do the
sundance, Warriors many time men of deep spiritual commitment to the
people. It is an honor to shed flesh and blood as a woman does, and yes it
is for the good of the next seven generations. so it is not to simply
eliviate the suffering of others but instead to promote the continuation of
the species inspite of pain and suffering. It is also a way to commmune
with the other side "spirit realm" . Women do this monthly by loosing a
life and taking time to contemplate life and death and it's inevitable
cycle and men do the sundance and if they are choosen they will be gifted a
vision and that vision is part of their purpose in helping the tribe
survive.
Mnay times the vision is the light, the ability to continue inspite of ,
that is power and strength. It is touching death and the resurection back
to life and fulfillment of the spirit, completion of the circle, the spiral
being eternal.
the Sundance it's self is having a revival at the presant time, I think one
place that it is reborn is in the Dekota's. It is not necessarily the way
one culture has depicted another culture's story.
>"....A Nation is not conquered until the hearts of its women are on the
>ground......"
> Tsistsistas (Cheyenne) Proverb
>
> I am poor and naked, but I am the chief of a nation. We do not want
>riches but we do want to train our children right. Riches would do us no
>good. We could not take them with us to the next world. We do not want
>riches. We want peace and love.
> - Red Cloud (Makhpiya-luta), Sioux chief, late 19th century
Aho
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Date: Fri, 14 Nov 1997 23:08:55 +0100
From: "Jason S. White" <zymphtATnospambluewin.ch>
To: Tim Duna <tdunaATnospamlax.net>
CC: kundalini-lATnospamexecpc.com
Subject: Re: Stuck
Message-ID: <346CCBF7.9919771EATnospambluewin.ch>
> >they go into the woods and scream at/for God. Your capacity for pain
> >must also reflect an equal potential for God-knowing. Love, Holly
> >
>
> Well, I'm stuck here anyway. I can't seem to get off the list any
> way. Perhaps I should try subscribing again and then trying to unsubscribe?
>
> I know many of God's aspects, but I don't know the white light, not
> fully.
>
> Tim
Stuck is one word for it. Stuck we all are in our flesh and bone
homes. At least for now, a very brief instant commonly known as life.
How beautifully, ironically, pointlessly full of possibilities is that
instant.
There is no way to unsubscribe.
But what animates your flesh and bones is never stuck. It convolves
whether or not it is noticed, explored, respected or deplored.
Ironically, your pain and anger are your window to peace and joy. Only
from the perspective of disease can we be cured. Only from the
perspective of health can be we diseased. The white light has no
concern for either.
Such good sympathy you are getting by being subscribed. Poor baby.
Such an opportunity you have. Too self-absorbed and rut-stuck to
notice. Make a decision to see things differently. There is a
multiplicity of ways.
Ready, set . . . . . . . GO!!!
Jason.
Date: Fri, 14 Nov 1997 23:15:43 +0000
From: fransATnospamtelebyte.nl
To: kundalini-lATnospamexecpc.com
Subject: Re: The Spiritual Experience and Kundalini Awakening in Tantra
Message-Id: <199711142218.XAA07217ATnospamdegas.telebyte.nl>
Here we go:
http://www.telebyte.nl/~frans/kundalini
weekend! ............ frans
> I have gotten messages asking for the URL for my paper. Could Frans,
> Freda and Ori on this list give the Websites addresses where the
> Kundalini paper is located. Despite attempts, I am unable to cut and
> paste the addresses to my message even though I have them.
>
> Aspiring for higher technical knowledge and praying for understanding
>
> Harsh K. Luthar
Date: Fri, 14 Nov 1997 19:55:47 -0500 (EST)
From: LilEliATnospamaol.com
To: kundalini-lATnospamexecpc.com
Subject: Re: As long as I'm still on...
Message-ID: <971114195547_-424127755ATnospammrin46.mail.aol.com>
In a message dated 97-11-14 16:52:27 EST, you write:
<< Tim, I'm sorry that it has taken you into such a dark night of the soul,
but this to will pass. Gloria
> I suffer on my cross that no-one sees. My pain breaks into a million
parts,
> yet no-one hears. Garbled torture seeps to those with talking
> hearts---guilt and shame we all shall have! I speak from my endless well,
a
> well for the damned. >>
Lisa here....>
Geez, ya know I gotta say Tim that your posting hit me right in the heart.
And
it hit me there because I've been where you are before in my life and my
guess
is that so too have many others on this list.
Gloria's choice of terms "dark night of the soul" sorta prompted me to
respond.
And I understand from your postings that you know for yourself what words
help
you and what words are worthless, but I'll add mine anyway. Toss them aside
if they do not speak to you.
For what it's worth....I've been in the place where I questioned life, and
God and
the absurdity of it all. And I've walked that fine line between being here on
earth
and not. But I must say that having survived those times I walked away with
so
much more to myself than I had before those experiences. That pain, that
unbearable torture of living during those times, has given me so much
strength,
and faith, even peace and joy, certainly self knowledge and passion. Never
once
have I had to endure a dark night without walking away on the other side of
it so
much more aware of who I AM and what I am supposed to be in this life. But
you
described the process perfectly....it sucks to be there. And I admire you for
speaking out and putting words to what is there inside you, I had to deny it
a
long time before I was finally ready to do that.
So I do hope you stick with this list a while, there are many here who will
help.
Your words were not only healing for yourself, but also healing for me
because
they reminded me that those emotions, thoughts, and sentiments are part of me
too. Maybe it just too me this long to appreciate them. So I thank you Tim.
Blessings...
Lisa
Date: Fri, 14 Nov 1997 17:11:23 PST
From: "Kim Major" <kimajorATnospamhotmail.com>
To: kundalini-lATnospamlists.execpc.com
Subject: [K] Sore throat - chakra related?
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Hello K people! :-)
I have been battling a sore throat for a week which I was sure meant I
was coming down with a cold or flu. Neither happened. I just had this
gosh darn sore throat and I rarely get them. So....after putting up with
it for a week, I went to a nurse practitioner and who prescribed an
antibiotic (and it is helping).
I wonder though from a metaphysical standpoint if my sore throat isn't
not related to my stress level at work, my wonderful new boss who
overloads me with work though, my spiritual growth and waning social
life (in part due to work). I'd appreciate any feedback about the
throat chakra. I do not know much about them, particularly the one
dealing with the throat.
Peace, Kimmers :-)
kimajorATnospamhotmail.com
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Date: Fri, 14 Nov 1997 18:22:11 -1000 (HST)
From: Jayaraj Batumalai <blueguyATnospamrocketmail.com>
To: kundalini-lATnospamexecpc.com
Subject: AutoPost from Kundalini Resource Center
Message-Id: <199711150422.SAA19523ATnospamhaleakala.aloha.net>
Please sent me how to do kundalini with good guideline....
Date: Fri, 14 Nov 1997 01:37:09 -0400
From: Dolce Vita <lissetteATnospambridge.net>
To: DEE B <SpiritDeeATnospamwebtv.net>
CC: kundalini-lATnospamexecpc.com
Subject: Re: Third eye chakra
Message-ID: <346BE384.31BAATnospambridge.net>
Hi Dee,
You mention in your letter about a bad allergy and that you have been
taking Claritin etc, i suffered for a long time from that rhinitis and
it was around my heave k awakening too.
I got rid of it with Beconase or Vancenase, they are the same, it is a
nasal spray that is to unswell the nasal passages, it is no a
decongestant that makes you worse after. This really works.Also it was
combines with something called Rhinatan. Tell your doctor to prescribe
it. The Beconase you use it 2 x a day two sprays.
I hope this helps, I was miserable for a long time, Claritin did nothing
for me and the others saved me. I feel great now.
Love and light,
Lissette
Date: Fri, 14 Nov 1997 22:16:49 -0800
From: Mary Ezzell <maryATnospamsonic.net>
To: kundalini-lATnospamexecpc.com
Subject: RE: Energy fields and the body
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At 11:58 AM 11/14/97 -0500, you wrote:
>My experience has been the opposite. When I began to "awaken" to the
>chakras, intuition, etc, my body began to ignore drugs going in. When I
>went into the hospital for a kidney stone (caused by a combination of
>poor diet and _very_ hard water), they gave me morphine for the pain.
>The
>doctor was astounded by how much they had to give me - seven vials -
>before I could feel any relief at all (and even then, it wasn't much).
>Other
>prescription drugs are mostly the same; over-the-counter stuff like
>Advil
>and Tylenol are a waste of money for me - I'd get as much effect from
>taking Sweet Tarts.
Me too. Can't get enough novocaine or nitrous oxide at teh dentist.
I have an elderly friend (also a K person) with similar problem. Given pain
medication for a "pinched nerve" but most don't help.
> This has forced me to learn different strategies for
>dealing with pain - namely a combination of prayer and meditation.
ANything you could share? I've been helping her with some vixualisations
etc. Also the Brennan quotes re "How Healing Works" were very helpful. I've
had a feeling of ... plugging us both into a parallel world where this
isn't happening, where all is fine, normal....
Mary
Date: Fri, 14 Nov 1997 22:51:53 +0100
From: Gloria Greco <lodpressATnospamintercomm.com>
To: Tim Duna <tdunaATnospamlax.net>
CC: kundalini-lATnospamexecpc.com, heartzenATnospamlistserv.servtech.com
Subject: Re: As long as I'm still on...
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Tim Duna wrote:
> A lot of my experience has been a
> dis-empowering of 'me' on many levels, enforced by trauma and pain. Am I
> fucked up? You bet. But not as whacked as before. Another thing about
> other's energies is that they resonate in body to an extent that I begin to
> take on their beliefs in my own way. 'I' hate this personally, so I try to
> minimize my hook-ups to others. Usually the ones I hook up the deepest, I
> have the most anger for, and it doesn't really make sense to 'me', yet I
> must deal and identify with it to an extent. That's another thing. I don't
> think people here need to hook into other's for energetic stability. This
> sucks for 'me'. But I guess exchanging other's energy is part of my soul's
> purpose, as I seem to be equipped to handle and filter and exchange mass
> amounts of universal energy.
>
> Tim
>
>
> >Gloria here:
We haven't spoke for a long time, how are you dear friend?
It looks to me like your going through more processing and letting go
of issues. This is always painful, especially when you are doing this on
your own. Do you not have a support group? It is wonderful when you have
one more people who listen and share, who will give you the opportunity
to speak without judgement.
This hearing yourself speak is often all that is needed to really get
it out and release whatever is causing the undercurrent. This pain you
speak of, is not from God, and it is not God who will release it, you
have to let go of it because it is your creation. And, God does give us
freewill, and has infinite patience for us to deal with whatever it is
that holds us in chains. The thing that you know inside is that you are
being taken care of even when you think you are not. The fact is
spiritually you know what needs to be done and will at some point make
the decision to take the step.
This may not be what you want to hear, but deep inside you know it is
true. And, those thoughts that take you away from that inner quiet and
peace are only the thoughts, fear, and torments of an ego that is losing
power. It is not your higher knowing that crys out, it is instead that
part that knows itself to be facing an ultimate death of self. This
death of self is the natural evolution of your spirit, and it is what
you cry out to God for, yet at the same time, you fight it with every
ounze of strength you can muster. Isn't that the paradox, what you need
and want most is what you fear...And, on the other side of this death,
that real part of you remains, it sees with different eyes and hears
with different ears, it even feels with a brand new heart. And, it is
all destiny...
It will come, detach and observe your process, know you are not alone,
and most of all, God knows your pain since he chooses to live through it
with you as he/she did for me and every other person in the universe
facing the drama of drama's. Gloria
--
Enter The Silence to Know God ... and... accept life as the teacher.
Gloria Joy Greco
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Date: Fri, 14 Nov 1997 23:50:08 -0000
From: "F. Drew " <leydaATnospamvalunet.com>
To: "Kim Major" <kimajorATnospamhotmail.com>, <kundalini-lATnospamlists.execpc.com>
Subject: Re: [K] Sore throat - chakra related?
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I'd appreciate any feedback about the
>throat chakra. I do not know much about them, particularly the one
>dealing with the throat.
>
>Peace, Kimmers :-)
>kimajorATnospamhotmail.com
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I do not know much about Throat Chakras but I do know that one of the signs
of Sorrow is a sore throat.
*
Drew
" So Far; So Good "
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