1997/11/13 14:27
kundalini-l-d Digest V97 #749
kundalini-l-d Digest Volume 97 : Issue 749
Today's Topics: What's time got to do, got to do wit [ John Halonen ]
re: shining trees and other things [ hbarrettATnospamix.netcom.com (Holly N. Ba ] Re: shining trees and other things [ "Debora A. Orf" ]
re: shining trees and other things [ "Duncan, Mark" ] Re: The Spiritual Experience and Kun [ "Harsh K. Luthar" ]
AutoPost from Kundalini Resource Cen [ elaina ewing ] Re: shining trees/sounds [ Gloria ]
Re: As long as I'm still on... [ Gloria Greco ] Re: Tim Dunas Post [ Louis Conjar ]
Date: Fri, 24 Oct 1997 19:50:39 -0700 From: John Halonen
To: kundalini-lATnospamexecpc.com Subject: What's time got to do, got to do with it?
Message-ID:
Reading all these posts about watches, I didn't even realize, about a year ago I stopped wearing a watch. It stopped working on me a couple
of times, but that's not why. I just didn't want to be burdened with the notion of time.
Meditating on time is an interesting thing. Here to there, kind of takes away the meaning of now. It boggles the mind to think of all the
things that could be done if there was enough time. But only one thing is really going to get done before the next, so meditate on that one
thing and make it as perfect as you.
Blessings to all! John Halonen
Date: Thu, 13 Nov 1997 08:35:44 -0600 (CST) From: hbarrettATnospamix.netcom.com (Holly N. Barrett, Ph.D.)
To: kundalini-lATnospamexecpc.com Subject: re: shining trees and other things
Message-Id:
Shining trees (love the phrase!) was one of the first ways I noticed my vision changing after k-awakening, accompanied by that sense of love
you mentioned. Then everything started to shimmer as though something immensely powerful from beyond was trying to "push through." And the
Colors! I imagine that when we see these things we've become more shimmering and transparent as well because we're all of the same stuff.
Holly Date: Thu, 13 Nov 1997 08:58:59 -0600 (CST)
From: "Debora A. Orf" To: UweJohannATnospamaol.com
cc: kundalini-lATnospamexecpc.com, kundalini-lATnospamlists.execpc.com Subject: Re: shining trees and other things
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On Thu, 13 Nov 1997 UweJohannATnospamaol.com wrote:
> Hello dear folks,
> > During this action sometimes i wonder, because it seems that the light has
> changed a little bit clearly, but next day it will come better..... > I was on my way home from my job, driving with my bike across the city, I'm
> living in. Suddenly, I was on the way through a park with old, big chestnut > trees and they where looking as they where shining. I thought it couldn't be
> true, and a unpronounceable feeling rises in me I can only discribe it as > absolute or unconditional love. Everything around me was shining, I had to
> shout for joy......
Way cool! i've noticed this too. Last summer it got to the point i could almost see, definilty could *feel* the currents of life energy in the
trees. One can touch them and feel this current. it so...well... its alive! They have differences too, like people do. Each tree is its own
uniqueness. Some are wiser than others too i feel.
On a meditation retreat i did last summer, it got to the point where one night the trees started *clapping*. i remember getting a bit bug-eyed and
open mouthed. Ego mind took over and i got scared from it. Residual goofball karma rising :).
> Love and light (......makes more sense to me now)
Most definitly :).
i have a question about auras. why is it sometimes i can see them and
sometimes i cant? is there anyway to see ones own aura?
And thanks for the thread about the watches. I took mine off, (its a new one, they never last long for me either.) And i can feel a difference
already. Maybe its suggestion, but i did notice my last watch pooped out on that summer retreat after a strong meditation session. The little
second hand got stuck on the 2 and kept ticking on the two. I liked that one too, it was a Marvin Martian watch.
lights & love,
--jampa tsomo
Date: Thu, 13 Nov 1997 07:03:07 -0800 (PST) From: Lorianna Burkes
To: jh2owbmATnospammoa.net, kundalini-lATnospamexecpc.com Subject: Re: What's time got to do, got to do with it?
Message-ID:
Like yourself, John, I stopped wearing a watch many years ago. Wasn't
really sure why I did, just did. Now i know that I too didn't wish to be bogged down by the concept of time. Sure i still have schedules to
meet, and i do work, so i need a clock in my home to tell me when those events muct occur, but i am not controlled by constantly seeking
time anymore.
I will do as you suggest and mediatate on time and see where that gets me.
Thanks
Love and Light
Lorianna
---John Halonen wrote:
> > Reading all these posts about watches, I didn't even realize,
about > a year ago I stopped wearing a watch. It stopped working on me a
couple > of times, but that's not why.
> I just didn't want to be burdened with the notion of time. > Meditating on time is an interesting thing. Here to there, kind
of > takes away the meaning of now. It boggles the mind to think of all
the > things that could be done if there was enough time. But only one
thing > is really going to get done before the next, so meditate on that one
> thing and make it as perfect as you. >
> Blessings to all! > John Halonen
> >
__
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From: "F. Drew " To: "Rik Wallace" , ,
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>I will agree with you, Dieter. Saying "reality is an illusion" may >be a good thought-provoker, but in the long run, I believe it works
>much more nicely to say that there are many possible views of reality. ********
We are each living in our own, separate realities. Right ?
* Drew
" So Far; So Good " leydaATnospamvalunet.com
Date: Thu, 13 Nov 1997 10:32:34 -0500 From: "Duncan, Mark"
To: Kundalini List Subject: re: shining trees and other things
Message-ID:
I too have seen the aura of trees.
Here in Newport News, Virginia - USA, the state is working on expanding the interstate system (I-64). In the process they are
cutting down all of the trees in the close vicinity of the work. This infuriates me to no extent. While driving back to work the
other day, I saw a very tall healthy pine fall and hit the ground as a result of the work. Tears immediately came to my eyes
and my heart hurt. Then I pass the remains of the uprooted trunks of hundreds of trees. The sight left me depressed and
does so every day I drive by.
I can't even cry for my pain both emotional and physical, but I can for a fallen tree? Or could this be I am approaching a
need for help? I hope my increased sensitivity to Mother Earth is a result of Kundalini.
Mark C. Duncan
Network Engineer Information Technology Solutions, Inc.
Building 2787, Ft. Eustis, VA 757.878.0071 ext. 297
duncanmATnospamemh22.eustis.army.mil Date: Thu, 13 Nov 1997 10:32:04 -0500
From: "Sharon Webb" To:
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Hi,
Let's all wear our watches. Just take out the batteries.
Talk about living in the moment....
Sharon
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ENC Digital Dozen for June '97; Enchantment Award; ArtSearch Featured Site; NetTech NeatTech: Best of the Web in Educational Technology; Eye Candy
Honorable Mention Date: Thu, 13 Nov 1997 11:30:11 -0500
From: "Harsh K. Luthar" To: kundalini-lATnospamexecpc.com
Subject: Re: The Spiritual Experience and Kundalini Awakening in Tantra Yoga Message-ID:
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I have gotten messages asking for the URL for my paper. Could Frans,
Freda and Ori on this list give the Websites addresses where the Kundalini paper is located. Despite attempts, I am unable to cut and
paste the addresses to my message even though I have them.
Aspiring for higher technical knowledge and praying for understanding
Harsh K. Luthar Date: Thu, 13 Nov 1997 07:48:00 -0800 (PST)
From: merlinATnospampnn.com To: "Debora A. Orf"
Cc: kundalini-lATnospamexecpc.com Subject: Re: shining trees and other things
Message-Id:
Debora wrote:
>On a meditation retreat i did last summer, it got to the point where one >night the trees started *clapping*. i remember getting a bit bug-eyed and
>open mouthed. Ego mind took over and i got scared from it. Residual >goofball karma rising :).
Blythe says: I really like the idea of residual goofball karma. Next time I
start getting too big for my britches, I'll read those words where they're posted on the fridge. Giggle myself back to size!
Date: Thu, 13 Nov 1997 07:49:54 -0800
From: ori^ To: Kundalini-l
Subject: Re: The Spiritual Experience and Kundalini Awakening in Tantra Yoga
Message-Id:
Harsh Luthar's paper titled:
The Spiritual Experience and the Awakening of Kundalini Shakti in Tantra Yoga:
Meditation and Pranayama In the Context of Love and Sensuality
can be read on the following sites:
Frans: http://www.telebyte.nl/~frans/kundalini/harsh.html
Freda: http://www.blarg.net/~freda/01rg/hm/harsh.htm
ori^: http://www.eskimo.com/~ori/luthar.html
Same paper on each site. Date: Thu, 13 Nov 1997 06:36:37 -1000 (HST)
From: elaina ewing To: kundalini-lATnospamexecpc.com
Subject: AutoPost from Kundalini Resource Center Message-Id:
Hello to all those who walk the path of kundalini. I didn't realize that the path I walked was this one until I started putting all the myriad of pieces together, and it all seemed to fit together. I had a friend 5 years ago, we were very close. She taught me alot about veganism, and I worked out 3 hours a day....I was in great physical and mental condition. I found out in the course of our 2 year 'friendship' that she was indeed NOT my friend. I walked away from her, and when I did so alot of strange things started happening. First, I remember I had trouble sleeping, and eating. I also had strange storylines going through my head, and I believed everyone of them. (I know this all sounds wierd but please bear with me). Anyway to make a long story short,at age 31 I was diagnosed with manic depression....but what I don't tell the doctors is that almost all of the 'storylines' that went on in my head when I was going through mania have come to pass in the last five years..!
! !
! !
.I have heard some people link manic depression with kundalini...I have found that after my mania episodeI am much more aware of everything..and my psychic ability has gone through the roof....Has anyone ever gone through 'mania' only to find out that years later, or months later alot of the things that went on inside the mind happened in physical reality???If anyone is interested in what happened to me, what the storylines were about, and how it all manifested in reality please contact me..if you get scared too easily please don't e-mail me!!!!Thank- you all for reading this..also..any mental health doctors out there willing to e-mail me and explain what happened??Anybody out there???HELP!!!!! Date: Thu, 13 Nov 1997 11:45:40 -0600
From: destinyATnospamcyberramp.net To: kundalini-lATnospamlists.execpc.com
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Light, Peace and Love To All...
If I haven't introduced myself yet, forgive me; it's John bill beaudine. Friends call me Bill.
For me, paranormal experience began at age 5. By 18, I knew I was living in Grand Central Station wherever I was, with all sorts of Spirits coming and going. I've studied extensively, been with some truly wonderful and profound Teachers, which culminated in the late 70's and early 80's sitting under the Oak Groves in Ojai, CA, many a Saturday and Sunday listening and absorbing the intentions and sharings of a most wise man by the name of Jiddu Krishnamurti. Even got to shake his hand. What a smile and Light; :D, an indelible memory.
I have received through experience the understanding that Truth is indeed a pathless land. We stand alone (all one) in the breakthroughs of eliminating our ignorance, conditioning and beliefs in Awakening to what already Is. In Late December of last year, a major breakthrough in K was experienced and for the next 3 months, I was a mental basket case as I was personally guided by Spirit through past lives, errors in understanding, grounding and direction. It would take many hours to express that ordeal and I would still come up short in my sharing, as one cannot give ones experience to another.
Tim Dunas post, "As long as I'm still on..." reminded me of the Voice in the Wilderness, whos voice is and was me. Many a year I cried and still do when I fall back into the ignorance that I am alone in my tortured moments of misunderstanding. As words don't mean anything compared to their intent as signals of direction, I am reminded how difficult surrender and letting go can be; or, how liberating and emancipating.
Old habits fall hard; sometimes very hard. As we are all Children in the Awakening that is transpiring now, trauma on all levels is to be expected. Many are breaking their fundamentalism structures of belief and religion in new experience and knowledge. They surely will face judgement, condemnation and rejection from their former peers and loved ones. Standing in the Light and remaining there is not a value to this world system. It is a major threat to its ultimate and assured dissolution. It is in these times that I choose to reach out my hand to another. Like a birthday card I recently received, "Friends are angels who lift us to our feet when our own wings have trouble remembering how to fly."
To Tim Duna : Hang in there. Be still and listen long. You can do it. The answers are there to them who listen.
Light and best...
John bill beaudine
Date: Thu, 13 Nov 1997 12:58:57 -0500
From: Gloria To: kundalini-lATnospamexecpc.com
Subject: Re: As long as I'm still on... Message-Id:
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At 09:27 AM 11/13/97 -0500, Harsh K. Luthar wrote: >I felt so sad having read this message. May God bless you and ease your
>pain and suffering. >
ditto, me too. I have heard of people who somehow volunteered to process pain and suffering, beyond their own personal pain, since this does sound
like a lot for one man to bear. Perhaps there is a message in this pain, a call to reach out
to others for support of some kind, any kind would be better than doing this alone,Tim.
Tim Duna wrote:
>> >> You've guys have been writing really pretty poetry. Here's something from
>> reality. It is more poetry story, and I don't care if the punctuation is >> right or not, it was written not too long ago in misery. And I don't need
>> 'help', I don't need any bullshit crappy two bit advice for me. I don't >> need to 'center in the fuckin heart' and I don't need to align with divine
>> will. These things are bullshit and meaningless to me. When all of you >> grow up and get high level tears in your aura coupled with K, let's see how
>> you fare. >>
>> I suffer on my cross that no-one sees. My pain breaks into a million parts,
>> yet no-one hears. Garbled torture seeps to those with talking >> hearts---guilt and shame we all shall have! I speak from my endless
well, a >> well for the damned.
>> For no-one *knows* my pain >>
>> I wish I could cry, but crying equates more suffering. I could tear myself >> from my stakes, yet I won't die. Mercy is not my fate, only cascading
>> pushing, And like the heroin addict, just enough to get me by. >>
>> You will rarely hear my voice, for it cannot speak. For it knows it won't >> bring an end to it's own fury. Only "God" has that choice, and He's a
>> fuckin' asshole, so I will drink alone, forever by myself with noone to help...
>> >> Thanks be to God.
>> >> Tim
> >
Date: Thu, 13 Nov 1997 13:13:22 -0500 From: Gloria
To: kundalini-lATnospamexecpc.com Subject: Re: shining trees/sounds
Message-Id:
okay, while Not meditating I heard three gongs or bells go off, another
time while resting i heard the sound of many doors slamming fasr one after another. Are these to be ignored or is there a message I am not getting??
is this goofball karma??
> >
>Debora wrote: >
>>On a meditation retreat i did last summer, it got to the point where one >>night the trees started *clapping*. i remember getting a bit bug-eyed and
>>open mouthed. Ego mind took over and i got scared from it. Residual >>goofball karma rising :).
> >Blythe says: I really like the idea of residual goofball karma. Next time I
>start getting too big for my britches, I'll read those words where they're >posted on the fridge. Giggle myself back to size!
> >
> >
> >
> >
> Date: Thu, 13 Nov 1997 11:34:29 +0100
From: Gloria Greco To: Tim Duna
CC: kundalini-lATnospamexecpc.com Subject: Re: As long as I'm still on...
Message-ID:
Tim, I'm sorry that it has taken you into such a dark night of the soul, but this to will pass. Gloria
> I suffer on my cross that no-one sees. My pain breaks into a million parts,
> yet no-one hears. Garbled torture seeps to those with talking > hearts---guilt and shame we all shall have! I speak from my endless well, a
> well for the damned. > For no-one *knows* my pain
> > I wish I could cry, but crying equates more suffering. I could tear myself
> from my stakes, yet I won't die. Mercy is not my fate, only cascading > pushing, And like the heroin addict, just enough to get me by.
> > You will rarely hear my voice, for it cannot speak. For it knows it won't
> bring an end to it's own fury. Only "God" has that choice, and He's a > fuckin' asshole, so I will drink alone, forever by myself with noone to help...
> > Thanks be to God.
> > Tim
--
Enter The Silence to Know God ... and... accept life as the teacher.
Gloria Joy Greco e-mail me at : lodpressATnospamintercomm.com and visit our homepages at:
http://users.intercomm.com/larryn/ &
http://www.freeyellow.com/members/zg888/ Hope you enjoy them!
Date: Thu, 13 Nov 1997 15:24:19 -0500 From: Louis Conjar
To: Lorianna Burkes CC: kundalini-lATnospamexecpc.com
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Lorianna Burkes wrote:
> > Greetings! My name is Lorianna and i have just recently been
> introduced to Kundalini by a dear new friend....*smiles at Antione*... >
> I am a Reiki practicioner, so i do know something about > chakras...where they are located and how to open them...but it is
> still an on going lesson for me as i have only been practicing Reiki > for 9 months and am still learning its power.
> > I have felt some of Kundalini's energy thru Sacred Sexuality, i.e.
> Spiritual Sex, so i do know that it is a wonderful experience; > however, I am curious to know more about Kundalini. So any
> information anyone can pass along to me will be much appreciated. >
> Can anyone suggest books or other web sites that i might obtain to > further my knowledge?
> > Now for a little more about myself. I am 31, a full time college
> student currently obtaining a CAS (Certificate of Advanced Studies) in > Humanities, I am a poet and aspiring novelist, and I am currently
> single. I am also Wiccan/Pagan/Pantheist, as well as an herbalist and > vegetarian.
> > It is a pleasure to be on this list. Thank you all for the patience
> in reading my ramblings. I promise to keep most of my posts as short > as possible. I will keep everyone informed of my progress in learning
> Kundalini as events unfold in the future. >
> Love and Light to all >
> Lorianna....AKA....Lady_Enchantment >
> __ > Sent by Yahoo! Mail. Get your free e-mail at http://mail.yahoo.com
Welcome, Lorianna. If you will visit my site, which is listed below, you
can find some good starting material on Kundalini. Since I have been experiencing an extremely robust Kundalini experience for more than
6-1/2 years, I have devoted an entire section of my site to Kundalini Awakening in the hopes that it will provide some help to those who
visit. In the "Spiritual Zone" section of the "Marketplace" you will find it. There are listings of common symptoms, sources of help for
those in crisis, a list of what I believe are the best books on the subject, some of my personal experiences, etc. Check it out and let me
know if it was helpful.
I think you'll find this k-list a valuable place for exchange of personal experiences and information. Because of my schedule, I often
have a difficult time keeping up with the volume of mail, but it is a comfort to know that there are so many of us experiencing the Spirit
within. Again, welcome. --
Louis Conjar - Dynamic Expansion Institute, Inc. "All Your Spiritual and Financial Needs In One Place"
lconjarATnospamerols.com - http://www.deimarket.com 410-385-9500 - fax 410-654-9587
Date: Thu, 13 Nov 1997 15:42:21 -0500 From: Louis Conjar
To: destinyATnospamcyberramp.net CC: kundalini-lATnospamlists.execpc.com
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destinyATnospamcyberramp.net wrote:
> > Light, Peace and Love To All...
> > If I haven't introduced myself yet, forgive me; it's John bill
> beaudine. Friends call me Bill. >
> For me, paranormal experience began at age 5. By 18, I knew I was > living in Grand Central Station wherever I was, with all sorts of
> Spirits coming and going. I've studied extensively, been with some > truly wonderful and profound Teachers, which culminated in the late
> 70's and early 80's sitting under the Oak Groves in Ojai, CA, many a > Saturday and Sunday listening and absorbing the intentions and
> sharings of a most wise man by the name of Jiddu Krishnamurti. Even > got to shake his hand. What a smile and Light; :D, an indelible
> memory. >
> I have received through experience the understanding that Truth is > indeed a pathless land. We stand alone (all one) in the breakthroughs
> of eliminating our ignorance, conditioning and beliefs in Awakening to > what already Is. In Late December of last year, a major breakthrough
> in K was experienced and for the next 3 months, I was a mental basket > case as I was personally guided by Spirit through past lives, errors
> in understanding, grounding and direction. It would take many hours to > express that ordeal and I would still come up short in my sharing, as
> one cannot give ones experience to another. >
> Tim Dunas post, "As long as I'm still on..." reminded me of the Voice > in the Wilderness, whos voice is and was me. Many a year I cried and
> still do when I fall back into the ignorance that I am alone in my > tortured moments of misunderstanding. As words don't mean anything
> compared to their intent as signals of direction, I am reminded how > difficult surrender and letting go can be; or, how liberating and
> emancipating. >
> Old habits fall hard; sometimes very hard. As we are all Children in > the Awakening that is transpiring now, trauma on all levels is to be
> expected. Many are breaking their fundamentalism structures of belief > and religion in new experience and knowledge. They surely will face
> judgement, condemnation and rejection from their former peers and > loved ones. Standing in the Light and remaining there is not a value
> to this world system. It is a major threat to its ultimate and assured > dissolution. It is in these times that I choose to reach out my hand
> to another. Like a birthday card I recently received, "Friends are > angels who lift us to our feet when our own wings have trouble
> remembering how to fly." >
> To Tim Duna : Hang in there. Be still and listen long. You can do it. > The answers are there to them who listen.
> > Light and best...
> > John bill beaudine
I, too, can identify with Tim's post. Before Kundalini awakened in me, I
would not have believed any human being could endure what I have gone through. I wonder, at times, how I was able to retain any faith in an
all-loving God. I know what it is like to curse God - to scream "Why hast thou forsaken me?" I have been to the depths and I have soared to
the highest mountain. I know what I am and I trust the Power that is within. My heart goes out to you, Tim. I know that words seem weak when
you are in the depths of despair. But, trust that this will pass - because it will. We are all in this together. Here's the secret - There
is only One of us here. --
Louis Conjar - Dynamic Expansion Institute, Inc. "All Your Spiritual and Financial Needs In One Place"
lconjarATnospamerols.com - http://www.deimarket.com 410-385-9500 - fax 410-654-9587
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