1997/11/11 01:31
kundalini-l-d Digest V97 #744
kundalini-l-d Digest Volume 97 : Issue 744
Today's Topics: Re: How Healing Works.. and My Prani [ Gloria Greco ]
Re: K-Religions [ indra ] freewill/physics-prob? (was dantes?/ [ Rik Wallace ]
re: dantes?/Angelique/Holly [ Gloria ] Re: dantes?/Angelique-Help anyone?? [ acarre ]
Date: Mon, 10 Nov 1997 11:20:31 +0100 From: Gloria Greco
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FIute wrote
> >
> Dr. Robert Beck, a nuclear physicist, travelled the world > measure ithe brain waves of healers. He found that all
> healers exhibit the saem brain-wave pattern of 7.8 to 8.9 Hz > durin ghte times they are giving healings, no matter whqat
> their customs or how opposed to eah other their customs > were. Beck tested charismatic Christian faith Healers,
> Hawaiian Kahunas, Practitioners of Wicca, Sna teria, > Radesthesia and radionics, as well as seers, ESP readers and
> Psychics.. They all tested the same.. Unquote > from Light Emerging by Barbara Brennan.
> Love, >
> Dr. Beck then asked to what drummer the healers were all
> marching. And indeed why. He found the answer in the > fluctuations of the earth's magnetic field. It fluctuates
> between 7.8 and 8 HZ. These fluctuations are called Schumann > waves. Upon further investigation, he found that during
> healing moments, the healer's brain waves became both > frequency and phase synchronized with the Schumann waves. >
> that means the healer's brain waves pulse not only at the > same frequency but also at the same time as the earth's
> Schumann waves. It could be assumed that healers are able > to take energy from the magnetic field of the earth for the
> healing of patients. This process is also called Field > Coupling..
> It is clear that what healers call grounding into the earth > is the action of linking up with hte magnetic field of the
> earth, both in frequency and in phase. he has found that > once healers have linked up with the Schuymann waves, the
> right and left hemisphere of their brains become balanced > with each other and show a 7.8 - 8 mz alpha rythem...>
> After they link with the patient for some time of laying on > of hands healing, it has been shown that patients brain
> waves also go into alpha and are phase synchronized with the > healer's as well as right-left balance.
> The healer has, in effect linked the client with the earth's > magnetic field ulses and has thereby tapped into a
> tremendous energy source for healing. > END QUOTE..
Gloria here:
Regards to the kundalini conference in CA:
This was the subject of a conversation I had with a man at the kundalini conference, he is a scientist doing research on brains of kundalini
active individuals. Anyway, his findings are the same as this in regards to healers, however, they are more interested in the evolution of
kundalini and what the process in the brain actually manifests in terms of change in the subject over a period of time. The purpose for this is
to bring the information into mainstream through science. Gopi Krishna's mission was to introduce kundalini in such a way that science would come
forward and learn about how it works as the evolutionary process within the brain of man.
They have had only one test subject in the 40's who was able to go into
samadhi at will. So they are very interested in this.
I have been asked to participate in tests for the project which I will gladly do, since I do feel it is important research underway. I met Gene
Kieffer and George Tomkins who worked with Gopi Krishna and are dedicated to the mission.
The kundalini conference was held this past weekend in California. I met
several people from the group, Howard Cushin, Peggy from Oregon, Phillip St. Romain who use to be on the list, & another women that passed by
just to fast for me to really connect with. There was over 130 people gathered in all.
It was a very powerful weekend that I will share more if you are
interested. Anyone interested in becoming a part of the kundalini research network can write to me for information on how to become a
memeber. This group has met now six times, it started when Gopi Krishna was alive in India with the first conference.
>
--
Enter The Silence to Know God ... and... accept life as the teacher. Gloria Joy Greco
e-mail me at : lodpressATnospamintercomm.com and visit our homepages at: http://users.intercomm.com/larryn/
& http://www.freeyellow.com/members/zg888/
Hope you enjoy them! Date: Mon, 10 Nov 1997 11:55:04 +0100
From: Gloria Greco To: heartzenATnospamlistserv.servtech.com, kundalini-lATnospamexecpc.com
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HI all, sharing on the conference for those interested...
Thanks for your help with the seminar, Viki, Larry and Elsie it was a great birthday present.
It was really quite interesting, any of you would have enjoyed it if you've never experienced that direct eastern flavor. Amazing and very
comfortable to me. Anita really loved it, she had a dream about where we stayed right down
to the details, would you believe a set of cobra snakes and monkies at the entry, so she knew it was really a gift for her.
I met Gene's (Gene Kieffer who is on the heart list) friend, who he works with, George who introduced me to a scientist from Chicago who is
going to do some tests on my brain. They are looking for a test subject that can go into samadhi. They have only found one person in the 1940's
who would let them do the tests in India. Anyway, this does seem like a contribution I can make for the cause of bringing awareness of kundalini
out into the scientific community. They have learned a lot about healers, but not very much about kundalini.Even though there is a ton of
research on mediation through TM, nothing on kundalini has come through that process.
Gopi Krishna dedicated his life to bringing this information out into mainstream so that the world would be prepared for the spiritual
awakening now manifesting through kundalini. Gene and George have carried on his work and should be really commended for this undertaking.
George is a beautiful soul, I felt close to him instantly. And, since so few understand kundalini, with very few in the medical profession...
it is very important that awareness comes forward at this time. The presenters were interesting but the vibration of coming together
was more powerful. We had some wonderful experiences which was like playtime to me. I thought this reminds me of when I was little and just
did whatever I felt like doing. One of the programs was to introduce spontaneous music, like jazz but far beyond it and then to introduce
free flow dance. Which was really doing whatever came to you...no holds barred. It was great to see maybe 50 or more people running around,
flowing, jumping, swaying, kicking, twirling, every movement imaginable. And, the music was as bazaar. We did this at the end of a long day of
sitting and listening, so it was really perfect. Great exercise and very freeing. I had forgot how the body can move in places, like I said, I
remember doing that as a kid, but as an adult I don't know that I have ever experienced that total body movement, and certainly not in a group.
This unstructured...unplanned experience is very much a part of the
eastern music, but this was a combination of eastern and western. Quite powerful.
We also had a powerful meditation experience which took me quite a while to come out of. It is amazing to me how people go into meditation
and then just simply open their eyes and say it is over, even if it is an hour or more. That is not my experience at all, when I go in,
especially to this deepth of connection, way to much is happening to simply change back into the world frequency instantly. My body has to go
through a process of reintegration, and of course while that is happening I'm quite a specticle. This of course brought people to me
like a magnet, I will share more about that later. A lot of beautiful things happened for folks in that meditation, this isn't at all
surprising when that much power is focused through that many bodies. Anyway, I wanted to share some of this while it was fresh with me.
Gloria I do recommend those of you that have an interest become a part of this
organization. I think some very powerful work is going to manifest here in the near future. Those with direct kundalini experience can help with
this by at least joining in the movement and lending their energy to the process. Check with me if you want more information.
--
Enter The Silence to Know God ... and... accept life as the teacher.
Gloria Joy Greco e-mail me at : lodpressATnospamintercomm.com and visit our homepages at:
http://users.intercomm.com/larryn/ &
http://www.freeyellow.com/members/zg888/ Hope you enjoy them!
Date: Mon, 10 Nov 1997 17:15:42 -0500 (EST) From: Dennis Quinn
To: kundalini-lATnospamexecpc.com Subject: Re: GOD, XXI -- XXX
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XXI
Pilgrimages, penances, mercy and charity
Secure some merit, the size of sesame seed. But he who heeds and avows and adores
the Name Shall wash and be cleansed
In his inmost sacturary.
All goodness is Thine, O Lord, I have none; Though without doing good deeds,
None can hope to honour Thee; Blessed art Thou, Creator and Creation;
Thou art the Word, primordial Truth and Beauty, And Thou art the heart's delight and desire.
At what time, in which age, in which day of the
month or week, In what season and in which month did Thou
create this world? Pundits know not or their Puranas would tell us;
Qazis know not or the Qur'an would have recorded it;
Nor do Yogis know the time of day, Nor the day of the month, the week, the month or
the season. God alone knows when He created this world.
How indeed, O Lord, may I approach Thee?
With what words can I extol Thee? How can I know Thee?
With what words shall I speak of Thee? O Nanak, all speak of Him, and each would be
wiser than the next; Great is the Lord, glorious is His ;Name;
What He decrees, that prevails. Nanak, he who is swollen with pride in his wisdom
Will be humbled by God in his next birth.
XXII
Hundreds of thousands of worlds abide below and
above our own. And scholars tire of looking for llGod's boundaries.
The Vedas declare with on voice that He is boundless;
The Semitic scriptures cite eighteen hundred worlds;
Yet the Reality behind everything is One Principle.
If it could be inscribed, it would have been, But men have worn themselves out in the attempt;
O Nanak, proclaim the greatness of God. None but He knows the measure of His greatness.
XXIII
Thy extollers extol Thee, Yet know not Thy grandeur;
As rivers and streams flow into the sea, But know not its immensity.
Kings who hold dominions vast as the sea,
With riches heaped high as the mountain, Are not equal to the tiny worm
That forgets not God in its heart.
XXIV
His Goodness is limitless and so is its praise; His words and His gifts are limitless;
Where are the limits of His seeing or His hearing? Fathomless is the expanse of His Mind;
There are no limits even to His Creation.
How many vex their hearts to fix His limits, Though seeking to fathom Infinity can find
no bounds; The more we utter, the more there is still to say.
Exalted is our Lord and His throne is very exalted; His Holy Name is beyond the most exalted.
He who would know His height ;must be of
the same height; Only the Lord knoweth the grandeur of the Lord.
Nanak says, only by God's grace and generosity Are His gifts given to man.
XXV
Of His riches one cannot write enough;
He is the Great Giver who craves nothing; How many proud warriors prostrate at His door;
How many others, in hosts beyond measure.
Many squander His gifts in indolent indulgences,
Many obtain His gifts and yet overlook Him; Many the folish who merely eat.
Many are ever weeping and wanting; Misery and hunger are also Thy gifts.
Freedom from bondage comes through Thy Will;
No one can take it for granted. Even a fool who seeks
Can find wisdom through suffering.
The Lord knows what to bestow and He bestows; Few appreciate this. Those on whom He bestows,
O Nanak, the gift of extolling Him and adoring Him.
Are truly Kings of Kings.
XXVI
Priceless are His graces,
Priceless His doings; Priceless the treasure of His stories,
Priceless the purveyors of them; Priceless those who seek these gifts,
Priceless those who receive these gifts.
Precious beyond price is devotion to Thee, Precious bey;ond price is absorption in Thee;
Priceless His Law and Spirit of Righteousness, Priceless His mansions of Dispensation;
Priceless His Scales of Judgement, Priceless His Weights for measurement.
Priceless His boons,
Priceless His signs upon them; Priceless His Compassion and Will;
How beyond price He remains is inexpressible. Those who seek to convey it
Are wordless in wonder.
The Vedas venerate him, And so do those who read the Puranas;
The learned extol Him in myriad discourses. Brahma and Indra extol H:im,
Shivas extol Him, Siddhas extol Him. The Buddhas He has wrought venerate Him.
Demons and gods extol Him, Demigods, men, sages and devotees,
All seek to speak of Him; Many have sought and still seek to speak of Him,
Many have extolled Him and expired.
If as many people as existed in the entire past Were now to speak of Him, each in His own way,
Even then He would not be wholly conveyed. The Lord becomes as glorious as He wants to be.
If anyone dares to claim he can depict Him. Note him down as the grandest fool on earth.
XXVII
Where is the gate, where the mansion >From which Thou oversees all creation,
Where sounds of musical melodies, Of instruments vibrating, and singing minstrels,
Are fused in divine harmony? In diverse tones heavenly singers extol Thee.
There blow breezes, waters run and fires burn,
There Dharmraj, the lord of death, presides with authority;
There Chitra and Gupta,the recording angels, inccribe
There are the gods Ishvara and Brahma, The goddess Parvati decked with diving beauty;
There Indra reposes on his heavenly throne, And lesser gods, each in place;
One and all extol Thee.
There yogins in rapt contemplation, Holy men of meditation,
The pure of heart, the chaste, Men of peace and contentment,
Intrepid warriors never ceasing from Chanting Thy glories.
>From age to age, the scholar and the sage
Extol Thee in their works; There fair maidens with hearts entranced,
Inhabiting the earth, the upper and lower regions, Chanting Thy glories.
With gems Thou didst provide
In sixty-eight places of pilgrimage, Thy Name is extolled;
By warriors strong and brave in battle, By the four sources of life,
Egg or womb, sweat or see, Thy Name is glorified.
The earth's regions, the celestial realm and
the cosmos That Thou created and maintain,
Chant of Thee and extol Thy Name. Only those Thou lovest and with Thy grace
Can extol Thee and wholly adore Thee. Others there are who also extol Thee;
I have no recollection of them, Nor, O Nanak, can I claim to know.
He alone is the true Master, Lord of the Word, constant and consistent,
He who authored creation is, shall be and will ever abide;
He who authored diverse species, shapes and colours
Sees His Work mirror His grandeur.
What He decrees, He determines; To Him none can dictate,
For He, O Nanak, is the King of Kings. As He ordains, so must we live.
XXVIII
Moving as a supplicant,
May contentment by thy earrings, Modesty thy begging-bowl;
Adorn thy body with the ashes of meditation; May contemplation of death be thy clothing.
May thy body be chaste, virginal and pure,
May faith in God be the staff which supports you; May brotherhood with every man on earth
Be the highest longing of your Holy Order. Know that to conquer the mind
Is to conquer the world.
Hail, all hail unto Him, May your greetings go to the Primal God;
Pure, beginningless and chaneless, Constant from age to age.
XXIX
May knowledge of God be your food, May mercy sustain your store,
And heed the Divine Music Which beats in every heart.
He is the Supreme Master,
He holds the nose-string of all creation; In arcane potencies and tricks
There is no real remedy.
Union with God and alienation from Him Are according to His Will;
Each obtains his deserts.
Hail, all hail unto Him, May your greetings to to the Primal Lord;
Pure, beginningless and changelss, Constant from age to age.
XXX
Maya, the mythic goddess,
Came from the One, and her womb conceived Three worthy votaries of the One;
Brahma, Vishnu and Shiva. Brahma, it is said, brings forth the world,
Vishnu it is who preserves it, Shiva the Destroyer who absorbs;
He commands death and judgement.
God makes them work as He wills, He ever sees the, they see Him not:
That, above all, is the greatest puzzle.
Hail, all hail unto Him, May your greetings to the Primal Lord;
Pure, beginningless and changeless, Constant from age to age.
Date: Mon, 10 Nov 1997 17:33:05 -0500 From: Gloria
To: kundalini-lATnospamexecpc.com Subject: Re: dantes?/Angelique-Help anyone??
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At 11:02 AM 11/9/97 -0600, you wrote:
> >>ok... Maybe YOU are...but not even in my dreams am I close to *manifesting
>>whatever I want to manifest*. >
>Yes you are. As one person put it, for every prayer we send out asking for >a wonderful life, there are a thousand that are uttered in opposition to
>it--every day. All of us manifest exactly what we want to manifest, every >minute. Your statement, "not even in my dreams am I close to..." is also a
>prayer, a wish, and guess what? It's granted, with your full permission and >support.
> > Jeanne
> ==-* My stars! >
>You may be right logically. conceptually. in fact. I was referring to the all too common feeling of idealism, in which we FEEL and experience that we
know far more than we are doing Date: Mon, 10 Nov 1997 15:16:30 -0800
From: indra To: CGIAJWATnospamaol.com
CC: kundalini-lATnospamexecpc.com Subject: Re: K-Religions
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CGIAJWATnospamaol.com wrote:
> Howdey All
> > I'm seriously thinking about devoting much of my life to my spiritual quest.
> The best way that I can think of doing this is to actually become a "monk", > living within an ashram/temple/spiritual society and either working outside
> and paying a rent or working for the center itself. >
> What I could really use are the names of various religions and centers that > concentrate on developing the chakras and Kundalini. Many of the religions
> that I know that deal with K also have a huge section of the religious > practice being devotional worship to various deities, ext. I'm looking for
> religions which lets the devotional aspect take a back seat to the chakras > and K, or at least concentrate on the connection of the worship to the
> chakras/K. >
> Any leads would be greatly appreciated. >
> Thanks, and have a nice day > :)
> Aaron
Hello Aaron! Might of interest to check out by sending e-mail to csaATnospamdavis.org.
It may apply to you natural mental inclination. You also may like to visit http://www.csa-davis.org prior to sending e-mail.
Indra
http://personal.smartt.com/~indra
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Date: Mon, 10 Nov 1997 16:11:32 -0800 (PST) From: Rik Wallace
To: "Holly N. Barrett, Ph.D." , kundalini-lATnospamexecpc.com Cc: hbarrettATnospamix.netcom.com
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---"Holly N. Barrett, Ph.D." wrote: >
> Hmm, good talk. Rik, I think it was said we're not physics problems > but I think maybe we are. Had a vision once of a universe run, and
> expanding, on the energy of consciousness. Pain is a call from home, a
> call to consciousness. So, to paraphrase Salinger, we're like little > god machines making more god. Holly
Oh agreed! (and nice imagery btw) I actually was saying that I believe
we ARE physics problems - just not simple ones, like calculating the time till a dropped ball hits the ground. With people - speaking
metaphorically - the "ball" often just does not hit the ground. We can't predict us - we're too complex, too "chaotic" in the
contemporary scientific sense - and we call that "freewill" to reflect our lack of omniscience. But we're still a physics problem,
just with enough feedback loops to crash any supercomputer simulation. :)
In fact, I believe from the Divine's POV, we're just micro-vibes on the carrier wave of "The Great Photon"... can't get geekier than
that!
"Pain is a call from home, a call to consciousness"... (makes me think of E.T. and his Speak 'n' Spell phone :)) Yes, that's exactly
how I feel about pain - an invitation to intensity of feeling, and also a challenge to act out to HELP, to _work_ with the light
rather than be blinded by it. It's not necessary to "make my/their pain go away". Not at all. Pain is a right emotion, so much as there
are _no wrong_ emotions. I simply go INTO it, and separate out all the pretty-but-clashing colors instead of distantly experiencing it as
a yucky shade of "HURT". INTO the pain and into the Photon. The view is much more 'scintillious' inside...
Thanks mucho for your feedback Holly.
Love and Lite beer 2 u all. -rik
(on second thought, scratch that Lite part. This is definitely a case where Dark and is preferable ;))
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Date: Mon, 10 Nov 1997 21:30:08 -0500 From: Gloria
To: kundalini-lATnospamexecpc.com Subject: re: dantes?/Angelique/Holly
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At 09:58 AM 11/10/97 -0600, you wrote:
>Hmm, good talk. Rik, I think it was, said we're not physics problems >but I think maybe we are. Had a vision once of a universe run, and
>expanding, on the energy of consciousness. Pain is a call from home, a >call to consciousness. So, to paraphrase Salinger, we're like little
>god machines making more god. Holly >
>I am not a rocket scientist, either, and I do understand what a metaphor is.I would like to beleieve that pain is at least a message, however so
many just don't seem to get it. Have you ever sat around and said, why me? why now? and the only answer you can think of is why not me now? How does
this make more god, tho?? were you not already god before the pain happened? what is this more and expanding concept, Holly, PHD? from Gloria
MA. Sometimes I like to imagine that awareness hardly matters.. as in a leaf does not need a theory of photosynthesis in order to turn green. It
just does what it was created to do/be. Sometimes, consciousness and degrees are somewhat over-rated, but they are still fun, among other things.
Date: Tue, 11 Nov 1997 02:38:16 -0500 From: acarre
To: Gloria CC: kundalini-lATnospamexecpc.com
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Gloria,
Gloria wrote:
> ok... Maybe YOU are...but not even in my dreams am I close to
> *manifesting > whatever I want to manifest*. This, again, may be a logical conclusion
> to > you..but I and most people I know would have to say this is not their
> usual > perception of experience...is this like some comforting thought to
> believe > when my perception of my experience seems kinda *otherwise* (falling
> short > of what I think or wish I want to manifest??) What are we left with
> indeed??? ( I will admit to having a few moments in time that might > fit
> this description...so what is my problem here???) Again.. help > anyone?? If
> I seem clueless here, may I assure you simply that this is a sincere > question...)
We are what we want as Angelique said Gloria. Do you want to be
God/dess??? Than be it. Only your attachment to your dreams, "interior programming", to what you see, is our limitations. If we could surrender
enough for the reality behind and in this realm of existence we could move the sun, we see each morning, with our will. It's only a matter of
who you want to be, really want to be....
But if ones becomes the Reality dreaming this world, why would he want to change anything to what we created? You also have to accept what you
are really, before behind able to change anything.
Just surrender to what you want to be, and you'll find out more who you are.
As simple as that, you can make it hard or easy, on this path, as you
wish.
You said, in another post, latter: >You may be right logically. conceptually. in fact. I was referring to
the all too common feeling of idealism, in which we FEEL and experience that
we know far more than we are doing
Does the FEELING of doing in your everyday life does not contain an
"idea/concept" that a part of you wish to maintain in order to feel separated from the All in One?
You said in another post, latter:
>I am not a rocket scientist, either, and I do understand what a metaphor
is.I would like to beleieve that pain is at least a message, however so many just don't seem to get it. Have you ever sat around and said, why
me? why now? and the only answer you can think of is why not me now? How
does this make more god, tho?? were you not already god before the pain
happened? what is this more and expanding concept
Pain is an interesting archetype, it brings focus and concentration in one aspect of us. I calls for awareness. It sucks it, its all it want
attention... Until a new centrifuged awareness, "consciousness", born from the call of pain, stays around for a while, to taste the after
pain. You can maintain and make grow this new "consciousness" in ecstasy, return it to the One in bliss and total Peace, or circle it
around a while longer with your ego, boucing it to one another. As you wish, as you want.
>From where comes the initial centrifuged "forces" that created pain,
that in turn brougth us in the evolutionnary process, to finally explode back in an orgasmic opening to the One. That is an interesting thought,
that i would like to explore. Anyone found, felt, a link to the answer to that one? I would be interested to follow it...
I like "cosmic" orgasm more than pain; personal choice. :-)
Love
Antoine
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