1997/11/04 12:10
kundalini-l-d Digest V97 #730
kundalini-l-d Digest Volume 97 : Issue 730
Today's Topics:
Re: Kriyas, detachment, oneness, etc [ Mystress Angelique Serpent <mistres ]
Cardboard people. [ Mystress Angelique Serpent <mistres ]
Vibrations/vampires.. happy Samhain! [ Mystress Angelique Serpent <mistres ]
AutoPost from Kundalini Resource Cen [ Kees <case100ATnospamconcepts.nl> ]
Have to leave [ David Tompkins <gurudaveATnospamsoback.kor ]
RE: [Fwd: Meditations from the World [ Dieter Dambiec <d.dambiecATnospamstudent.c ]
RE: [Fwd: Meditations from the World [ Dieter Dambiec <d.dambiecATnospamstudent.c ]
Re: Have to leave [ Mystress Angelique Serpent <mistres ]
Re: Cardboard people. [ Bob_BajorosATnospammbcc.com ]
Re: Have to leave [ amckeonATnospamhsmail.nfld.k12.mn.us ]
remov [ Nisse Hjelm <n-hATnospamalgonet.se> ]
Re: need to know [ amckeonATnospamhsmail.nfld.k12.mn.us ]
OX!!! [ Gloria <glorybeATnospamintrepid.net> ]
Re: An unpleasant experience [ amckeonATnospamhsmail.nfld.k12.mn.us ]
Re: Cardboard people. [ SchrLLATnospamaol.com ]
Re: piercing the rudra knot [ BedawnedATnospamaol.com ]
Kriyas and tantra (was Re: What to e [ Sean Nomura <snomuraATnospammail.arc.nasa. ]
Date: Tue, 04 Nov 1997 01:19:37
From: Mystress Angelique Serpent <mistressATnospamdomin8rex.com>
To: BedawnedATnospamaol.com
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Subject: Re: Kriyas, detachment, oneness, etc.
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Harsh K. wrote:
>
><<The whole notion of detachment is predicated on the assumption that there
>is something to be detached from. This undermines the notion of non-duality.
>If dualism is sought to be rejected as a philosophy, it only reinforces
>dualism. In order to reject something, there must be the rejecter and that
>which is rejected. But if one can
>remain silent and still, all concepts vanish and reality is experienced as it
>is. It is only the inner core of your being.>>
That is really true: How do you control a dragon? Learn it's name.
Many years ago, I read a book called "Focusing". This book came out of a
study that was done, to find out why some therapy patients got better, and
some didn't. The result of the study, was the discovery that the success of
the therapy had little to do with the talent of the therapist, but rather,
whether the patient was instinctively doing this: or not.
Got a strong emotion that's bugging you? Don't detach.. move right into
it. Smell it, Taste it, roll it around on your tongue, feel it in your gut,
breathe into it, focus on it entirely, .. and name it.
Try out a few names, to find just the perfect one.. when you do, you will
feel an internal "click", a shift. The emotion will vanish-Poof! and
underneath it, will be another one. Name that one.. it goes poof, under is
another one. Peel the emotions away like layers of an onion... under all
the layers of feeling, is your real self. Joyous, loving, and free!
An example: I was working with my slave ravin' last night.. she is all
right brained artist, 20 years old and so passionate! So emotionally
manipulative whoa baby and so used to working that way, most of the time
she was quite unaware of the manipulations she was pulling, with her
emotional extremes. A child of divorced biker parents, she learned
emotional extremes as the way to keep her folks attention on her, and the
effectiveness of that strategy had her convinced that the emotional extreme
of the moment was most important thing in life.. more important than
keeping jobs, keeping friendships.. being in any way reliable. My patience
for that sorta thing is extremely limited.. and watching her be carried by
her emotions into one disaster after another, was hard for me.
Talk about psychic vampires!! This one caught me vulnerable and drained
me weak a few times before I wised up to her tricks. It is harder to spot,
when it's unconscious, but the signs were there.. she even had custom made
fangs, when I met her.. she gave them to me coz she got scared of them, she
thought they were possessed. I cleared the energy and glued them onto a
cute little plastic alien, as helmet and codpiece. Humor heals.
Pity the Vampires: they do not believe themselves worthy of having enough
life energy, of their own, so they feel they must steal it from others to
survive.
Oy, I only claim the ones who need my guidance the most! Slave rules has
the effect of weeding out the less needy. I don't choose my slaves, they
choose me, and petition me to "collar" them, most elaborately. I play hard
to get.. picky and demanding, trying to discourage them, or test their
courage and committment, at least. Taking on a new slave is a huge
responsibility. This one was driven to kneel at my feet, by her own flaring
K.
I was getting very frustrated with her inconstancy.. like seeing someone
trying to navigate with a weathervane instead of a compass.. they look
similar, but...! The direction of a weathervane changes with the wind.
Gradually I have been persuading her that the extremes are ineffective and
stupid self-sabotage. Mostly by turning "grey alien" "Witness" on her, when
she tried her tricks. They show up pretty transparent when they don't work,
on a being that has no emotions to respond with.
Also, persuading her that she *chooses* her emotional responses.. Like:
"why are you choosing that pouty insecure one, right now? It sucks. You are
acting like a 4 year old. I'm a not a babysitter, and if I wanted to be
around children, I'd have some. Change it or go home."
Bitchy but effective. A verbal slap upside da head, for calming a
hysterical person. I find sometimes, the best way to snap a determined
"poor me" victim out of their state is to make fun of them. Getting them
pissed at me, takes them out of self-pity. Anger is easier to deal with
than apathy.
Last night's focusing brought major insights. First emotion she narrowed
down was despair.. What to do when the control strategy stops working, eh?
Heh heh.. then.. denial.. what a surprise.. under that was frustration..
under that one was MELODRAMA!! Bingo!
Don't usually think of that as an emotion, but it sure is for her!!
Getting melodrama, and reaching for the next one, she flipped out a bit..
big resistance to continuing. Arguments, pouting and huffing and saying me
a cruel Mystress who expects the impossible.. the whole 9 yards, like a
child who doesn't wanna go to bed. Sheesh! I turned it around, ending the
argument by telling her to shut up and go to bed! Rejection, my trump
card.. she folded.
Melodrama, is not real, after all.. it is playacting to get emotional
reactions. She had so much ego energy invested in her many personal dramas,
she flipped out rather than name the next one.. which I could feel clearly,
and knew it to be a scary unfamiliar emotion, for her.
It was at that point, I told her what I was up to.. helped her notice
that each emotion had fled, when she named it. Gone. Whoosh. She is an
artist.. I explained that people don't become artists coz they want to..
they do it because they have to.. there is no other option for them, the
emotions come big and strong, and must be released, by naming them with
painting, music, art, dance.. or be driven nutso by them. That is what
artists DO. I pointed out that if emotions are such wimpy ephemeral things
that they fuck off when their name is called, they probably are not such
good things to be basing decisions on.. except for love.. name it all day
long, it still is. The universe is made of the stuff, it abides immovable.
I could feel it, (coz thre is only One of Us.. empathy) so I helped her
name the last emotion, that she had been most reistant to... FREEDOM!!
Recognizing the melodrama as such, (*not real*) freed her from needing to
continue the dramatic emotional reactions.. she dumped the game, and felt
major energy release, all the energy that had been tied up in melodrama,
and making melodrama appear real, even to herself, was now a budget for a
whole new script for her life, for her to write and produce.
Emotions unbridled had been a wild horse that kept running off with her..
properly saddled and bridled, they will be a faithful charger, that she can
use to get where she wants to go. That is freedom. A compass, to travel
where one wishes, instead of a weathervane confusing the course into
endless circles.
She thought that "freedom", meant freedom to to be dragged around by the
wild horse: to indulge her emotional dramas.
Watching her integrate this insight was the best part.. I could "see" an
internal part of her that had been "stuck" in a childish place maturing and
growing into cofident womanhood, before my very eyes. So amazingly
beautiful to watch, fascination keeps me doing what I do.
Blessings, Mystress.
Date: Mon, 03 Nov 1997 23:01:23
From: Mystress Angelique Serpent <mistressATnospamdomin8rex.com>
To: kundalini-lATnospamexecpc.com
Subject: Cardboard people.
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Has anyone else noticed, that some folks seem to appear as cardboard
cutouts? 2d?
I have, and two friends of mine have mentioned it to me as well.. one was
hysterical, insisting that these are the folks who will die in the
millennial changes. Dunno about that, but they sure look wierd.
Blessings, Mystress.
Date: Tue, 04 Nov 1997 04:28:52
From: Mystress Angelique Serpent <mistressATnospamdomin8rex.com>
To: kundalini-lATnospamexecpc.com
Subject: Vibrations/vampires.. happy Samhain!
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We feel each other's love and pain, coz there is really only One of Us...
love and gratitude for this, helps..
Happy Samhain.. I have been off celebrating, dressed as Goddess Athena..
a rather classical version.. antique grecian styled off white wedding gown,
silver chain, sword and shield.. hair up, with ringlets hanging.. radiant
in all my beauty...terrrible elegant, except.. Duct taped atop my tiny
child's plastic visored helmet was a life sized plastic great horned owl ..
the big ones with glass eyes, they use to scare away pigeons.. quite a
trick, keeping it balanced, O! but the reactions to the sight gag were
totally worth it.. too funny, watching the pagans recognize the Diety
instantly, then crack up laughing while trying to be respectful of the
Goddess I represented.. good fun. Laughter heals...
The fetishists at the Hallow'een party the following night didn't get it
at all.. they thought it was some kind of Vogue fashion statement..
transvestites going "Nice costume, very elegant, but why do you have an owl
on your head?" I'm still giggling at the memory.
For those who find themselves empathically taking on other's negative
vibrations, I offer a primer on healthy energy vampirism. How to suck
"negative energy" out of other folks, without "draining their life force"
or getting contaminated by the toxic stuff.
There are bizillions of ways to do healing, the simple intent/desire to
help, will have great effect.. but I like to have some fun while I am at
it.. I am a playful creature. If I am having fun at what I am doing, I will
give it better attention, and do it more willingly more often.
Self-motivation. I am repaid for the healing I do, by my enjoyment in it.
Blessed be!
Your energy body is under control of imagination. Another person's energy
body may also come under the control of your imagination: if you are
focusing in it, and they are not, you can control it.. thier higher self
will allow you to assume control for healing, as that is in their highest
good.
Imagination is flexible, any method you imagine will work, with faith and
good intent behind it. It is the intent that counts. Keep in mind that K.
is intelligent: it knows where it is needed, and what it needs to do better
than your preconceptions of imperfection. You cannot really know what they
"need", but K. can and does.
Focus on sending unconditional love K. fire from the earth or your higher
self, and on the perfection of All that Is, and let the energy do it's
work. Don't focus on the "illness", that needs to be "healed". That is a
judgement that will limit the effectiveness of the energy, possibly even
reinforce the ailment by focusing on it's "reality".
I don't worry about taking away karmic lessons, coz their higher self
already knows all the lessons for all the experiences.. nothing is lost..
they'll get the information/insight, with the rise in vibration.
Energy exchange for it's own sake can be fun, too.. I draw energy from my
slaves, while imagining them well grounded.. we call it "Vampire Games". I
take the "stale" energy from them and image the fresh earth energy comes
rushing in their feet to replace it. I image the energy I am taking from
them going straight out my feet, or being transformed into purity by my
heart chakra. Far from "draining them", we both get really charged up from
it. Cool. So long as I am maintaining an image of them grounded, connected
to the Fiery crystal heart of the planet, the amount of energy I can pull
*thru* them is limitless, and the torrent will wash away blockages and
leave them feeling fabulous.
When doing healing, it is helpful to know that the energy body is
polarized like a magnet or a battery. Top/right side is positive, bottom/
left side is negative. (an electrical polarity, not a judgement of quality.)
Energy tends to go up the spine like blue fire and down the front like
cool rain.
The energy travels from the right hand to the left, through centre to
recharge and back. Left hand absorbs energy, so to draw off the dark bits
safely, imagine that there is a "sewer pipe" coming from your left palm
thru your body and draining into the earth thru your feet. Hold the intent,
that the mucky energy goes thru this channel and drains away, without
spewing muck into your personal energy field. Hold the intent, that the
person you are drawing from is well grounded, and fresh energy is rushing
in to them to take the place of the energy you are taking away.
Right hand offers energy: Buddah is often depicted with the right hand
up, palm facing out to the viewer, like someone swearing an oath.. and the
left palm facing upwards or downwards. Image the light entering the top of
your head into your heart, and beaming out from the righthand palm and
fingertips, toward the person you intend to heal. This can be done
long-distance, but often distance work also travels thru time, to be
recieved at the best possible moment.
I did something like this once at a party, to end an argument. But it
makes me technically a vampire, even tho the energy I stole was negative,
and I replaced it with positive. I had been sitting near two people who got
into an argument. I got tired of hearing them and having that vibe around
me, so I sucked the negative energy off with my
left hand, slightly turned towards them behind thier back, and they both
got quiet and kind of crumpled, where they sat. Then I subtly pointed my
right palm at them and gave them both a good zap, and imagined their energy
grounded. They both perked up, ended thier argument and one went off
elsewhere. I have also put very annoying drunks to sleep that way. Drawing
off drunken agression and sending sleepy peace.
For close up work, healing burns and bruises and such, send your
energy through them at opposite polarities, as magnets must be opposite
poles to attract.
Imagine that the space between your hands is like the filament of a light
bulb, the part of your electrical circiut that gives off healing light
energy. Hold hands facing, or put your right hand lower and your left hand
higher on/above thier body. Send your energy thru opposite to what their
circiut is. Place your hands according to the reverse polarity on either
side of the injury, and imagine the filament is inside them, and the injury
is gathering golden/white light and beginning to glow. Then use your
imagination to lock the glow in place, imaging them grounded, so that it is
being fed from their own energy source. Or just send it through and watch
where it goes. Particularly with muscle aches, the source of the pain is
often at a different location from where the pain is felt. Back problems
cause aches elsewhere, digestive weaknesses affect whole other systems.
Of course, it is also important to be protected.. visualizing the outer
edge of the oval of your aura as pink mirrored bubble that reflects
negative energy back as love, is effective.
I find, tho.. the more I focus on unity, the less I am willing to be
armored against others. There is only One of Us, so who am I protecting
myself from?
Only the reflection of my own issues.
I do a reverse vampire game trick, instead.. I hold the vision that my
love is limitless, my access to universal energy abundant, and any energy
that is taken, is replaced instantly with even more purer energy. I am far
enough along in my evolution to be grounded 90% of the time, so this works.
Like the medieval practice of healing toxic blood conditions with
leeches.. as small quantities of the poisoned blood are gradually removed,
the body is forced to produce fresh new blood to replace it. Health is
improved by bleeding. That is why women are not vulnerable to heart disease
until after menopause.
The trick falls down if I am resistant to the other person.
Last week I was called upon to help someone I cut out of my life in anger
19 months ago. Who could that be, but another Dominatrix? Young and
damaged, who manifests the cold hearted cruel darkness of the archtype in a
scary psycho mirror of someone I never want to be. This existence has made
her a very lonely person. Everyone gives up on her, retreats cursing to
lick thier wounds. I had, too.. Goddess never lets me get away with that..
I worked with her 1 on 1 all night, for 5 hours. I had long forgiven my
original anger, but residual negative issues about her, meant that I was
sometimes ungrounded, giving out of my personal energy rather than
universal source. At the end of it she was glowing, and I felt like an old
dishrag.
I hold no resentment, instead I contemplate the beauty of something that
came thru her from my calling upon St. Germain, early in the work.. he
spoke to her directly, and she did not tell me all of what he had said,
only "We are too mucked up to heal ourselves, we can only be healed thru
each other".
What a wonderful gift of wisdom, and the truth of it held.. I could not
seem to recharge myself, after she left. I slept all day and still felt
like a dishrag, finally finding balance thru the abundant love and devotion
of my slave druid, when he returned home later from working hard all day
like a little ant.
We recharged each other, easily. Blessed be!
Love and light, Mystress.
Date: Tue, 4 Nov 1997 02:26:30 -1000 (HST)
From: Kees <case100ATnospamconcepts.nl>
To: kundalini-lATnospamexecpc.com
Subject: AutoPost from Kundalini Resource Center
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Dear reader,
I am interested in taken a couse in Kundaline Maha Yoga. I wonder if you can give me some adresses of people who gives
such courses in the Netherlands. You can contact me by Email. My adress is
case100ATnospamconcepts.nl.
Thank you very much,
Kees
Date: Tue, 4 Nov 1997 20:08:51 -0000
From: David Tompkins <gurudaveATnospamsoback.kornet.nm.kr>
To: "'Kundalini list'" <kundalini-lATnospamexecpc.com>
Subject: Have to leave
Message-ID: <01BCE95E.52A11FA0ATnospamGURUDAVE>
Hi everybody:
This is a short note to thank each of you for the sharing over the past four or five months. I am finished my job, have sold my computer, and am going to a training center in the mountains here in Korea. I'll be there for about three years so it is impossible for me to continue on this list.
Thank you everybody. My time on this list has been very rewarding.
Peace and love,
The Ox.
Date: Tue, 4 Nov 1997 23:32:12 +1100
From: Dieter Dambiec <d.dambiecATnospamstudent.canberra.edu.au>
To: "'amckeonATnospamhsmail.nfld.k12.mn.us'" <amckeonATnospamhsmail.nfld.k12.mn.us>
Cc: "'kundalini-lATnospamexecpc.com'" <kundalini-lATnospamexecpc.com>
Subject: RE: [Fwd: Meditations from the World of Osho]
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JMHO,
amckeon
You make an interesting point.
Seems the law of cause and effect has spun my way. You see I criticised and now I get it back. It works! Next time I'll get my thoughts and ideation in order - before I say anything.
Dieter! You actually have a sense of humor! Congratulations on renting one :)
[>] Now come on the joke was original.
Dieter
[>] Everything is a blessing.
Now lets see if the law of cause and effect makes its way back to amckeon
Date: Wed, 5 Nov 1997 00:04:55 +1100
From: Dieter Dambiec <d.dambiecATnospamstudent.canberra.edu.au>
To: kundalini-lATnospamlists.execpc.com
Cc: "'kundalini-lATnospamexecpc.com'" <kundalini-lATnospamexecpc.com>
Subject: RE: [Fwd: Meditations from the World of Osho]
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JMHO,
amckeon
You make an interesting point.
Seems the law of cause and effect has spun my way. You see I criticised and now I get it back. It works! Next time I'll get my thoughts and ideation in order - before I say anything.
Dieter! You actually have a sense of humor! Congratulations on renting one :)
[>] Now come on the joke was original.
Dieter
[>] Everything is a blessing.
Now lets see if the law of cause and effect makes its way back to amckeon
Date: Tue, 04 Nov 1997 06:18:43
From: Mystress Angelique Serpent <mistressATnospamdomin8rex.com>
To: David Tompkins <gurudaveATnospamsoback.kornet.nm.kr>
Cc: "'Kundalini list'" <kundalini-lATnospamexecpc.com>
Subject: Re: Have to leave
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Thankyou for sharing yourself with us, in the time you have been here.
You will surely be missed, blessings and best wishes on your path..
L&L, Mystress.
At 20:08 04/11/97 -0000, David Tompkins wrote:
I'll be there for about three years so it is impossible for me to
continue on this list.
>
>Thank you everybody. My time on this list has been very rewarding.
>
>Peace and love,
>The Ox.
>
>
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Love and electric blue K. fire, List Mystress.
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Date: Tue, 4 Nov 1997 09:17:41 -0500
From: Bob_BajorosATnospammbcc.com
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Subject: Re: Cardboard people.
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It has been my belief and experience that when I have observed people with
the third eye and they appear to be 2D they are "Walk-ins". The true
essence of the original person is gone.
Love, Light & Laughter,
B`
Date: Tue, 4 Nov 1997 09:37:11 -0600
From: amckeonATnospamhsmail.nfld.k12.mn.us
To: David Tompkins <gurudaveATnospamsoback.kornet.nm.kr>
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Subject: Re: Have to leave
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Dear Ox,
I feel a sadness at your leaving. Do you read much fiction? There is a book
called "Bridge of Birds" by Barry Hughart that has as it's main character
someone named "Number Ten Ox". The first time I saw your signature and felt
your gentle, positive energy I was reminded of it. There are also 2 other
books by the same author "Story of the Stone" and "Eight Skilled
Gentleman." These are fantasies that take place in a mythical China, and
contain many references to the Tao and are also quite humorous.
Love and luck,
amckeon
Date: Tue, 04 Nov 1997 17:31:57 +0100
From: Nisse Hjelm <n-hATnospamalgonet.se>
To: kundalini-lATnospamlists.execpc.com
Subject: remov
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remov me from the mailing list please
Date: Tue, 4 Nov 1997 08:50:21 -0600
From: amckeonATnospamhsmail.nfld.k12.mn.us
To: kundalini-lATnospamexecpc.com
Subject: Re: need to know
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Susan C. wrote:
>I believe the awakening of kundalini brings the aspect of grace...we
>will move forward regardless of our practices. The energy itself will
>transform our practice so that it will support the rising of kundalini.
>
I believe this too. In spite of all my illusions and mistakes, grace is
still operating in my life, even when I am not so good at surrendering to
it.
>Walking into a garage does not make me a car. Surrounding myself in
>specific structures and practices does not necessarily make me move
>closer to enlightenment.
Excellent point; I love the garage analogy!
sincerely,
amckeon
Date: Tue, 04 Nov 1997 10:42:58 -0500
From: Gloria <glorybeATnospamintrepid.net>
To: kundalini-lATnospamexecpc.com
Subject: OX!!!
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You will be much missed here. Thanks for your sharing with us. I cannot
help wondering whatever it is you will be studying/doing for the next 3
years, tho.
May we have some clue?? Wishing you well, happiness and growth are surely
yours already!!!
Date: Tue, 4 Nov 1997 08:50:31 -0600
From: amckeonATnospamhsmail.nfld.k12.mn.us
To: kundalini-lATnospamexecpc.com
Subject: Re: An unpleasant experience
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Jeanne wrote:
>I don't believe holding onto other peoples' pain (emotional or
>spiritual) helps them or you. If you "take on" their "stuff," you might be
>depriving them of something they actually wanted or needed to experience in
>this lifetime.
I know in my heart that you are correct. Now, if only I can put it into
practice! Especially with my children, it is extremely difficult to watch
someone else experience pain and not try to do something about it, even if
it's the wrong thing. Even when I know that pain can be a tool for growth.
I sometimes pray "If there is another way for my daughter to learn this
lesson, I'd sure appreciate you arranging it, but if there isn't, show me
how I can
help..."
This Reiki thing sounds interesting. Must one have any special talent for
it, or is it learnable by anyone?
sincerely,
amckeon
Date: Tue, 4 Nov 1997 12:01:48 -0500 (EST)
From: SchrLLATnospamaol.com
To: kundalini-lATnospamexecpc.com
Subject: Re: Cardboard people.
Message-ID: <971104114137_1151624782ATnospamemout05.mail.aol.com>
In a message dated 97-11-04 09:20:18 EST, you write:
> t has been my belief and experience that when I have observed people with
> the third eye and they appear to be 2D they are "Walk-ins". The true
> essence of the original person is gone.
> Love, Light & Laughter,
> B`
ATnospam->->--
Are you saying that those with active K are 2D or that you actually see 2
dimensional people? does this mean they are shallow? (:&) (tongue in cheek)
Date: Tue, 4 Nov 1997 12:08:51 -0500 (EST)
From: BedawnedATnospamaol.com
To: kundalini-lATnospamlists.execpc.com
Subject: Re: piercing the rudra knot
Message-ID: <971104111644_1446843855ATnospammrin41.mail.aol.com>
Hello, all;
During one point of my awakening, as I was falling asleep, I saw what I
assume was my rudra knot. It was like a rope that docks an ocean liner, but
I was aware of it down to the finest strand. Following subsequent efforts,
it became unstable and blew apart. What's the mythological significance of a
rudra knot and a rudra know undone? What's the K significance, metaphysical
significance, etc?
I look forward to your responses.
Thanks, Melissa
Date: Tue, 04 Nov 1997 10:17:25 -0800
From: Sean Nomura <snomuraATnospammail.arc.nasa.gov>
To: kundalini-l-dATnospamexecpc.com
Subject: Kriyas and tantra (was Re: What to expect ...)
Message-Id: <3.0.3.32.19971104101725.006af858ATnospammail.arc.nasa.gov>
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On Fri, 31 Oct 1997, Harsh K. Luthar wrote:
>I was delighted to read Melissa's question. Only a true seeker can raise
>such a point. The whole notion of detachment is predicated on the
>assumption that there is something to be detached from. This undermines
>the notion of non-duality. If dualism is sought to be rejected as a
>philosophy, it only reinforces dualism. In order to reject something,
>there must be the rejecter and that which is rejected. But if one can
>remain silent and still, all concepts vanish and reality is experienced
>as it is. It is only the inner core of your being. What is required is
>self-awareness and practice.
An acquaintance of mine told me that she had read a book that was filled
with cartoons about Buddhism. One of the cartoons she told me about went
something like this...
... a disciple enthusiastically enters a temple, kneels in front of his
master and says, "I have discovered the answer to the ending of all
suffering!"
"And what is that?" the master asks him.
"It's detachment!" he responds excitedly.
The master then picks up a broom handle and whacks the disciple on the head.
Holding his head (and seeing a few stars), the disciple asks, "What did you
do that for?"
Master says, "Detaching you from your detachment."
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