1997/11/03 12:04
kundalini-l-d Digest V97 #728
kundalini-l-d Digest Volume 97 : Issue 728
Today's Topics:
responding: An unpleasant experience [ "Terry Tim Rodgers" <blasterATnospamsteelc ]
RE: A question for Dieter [ Harsh Luthar <hlutharATnospamkeynes.bryant ]
Re: need to know [ acarre <acarreATnospamCONCENTRIC.NET> ]
Re: visitor & cabage [ Gloria Greco <lodpressATnospamintercomm.co ]
Re: Introduction from a newbie. [ Michael Lance Mosher <inre0017ATnospamfran ]
Re: An unpleasant experience [ Michael Lance Mosher <inre0017ATnospamfran ]
RE: A question for Dieter [ Michael Lance Mosher <inre0017ATnospamfran ]
Re: need to know [ Michael Lance Mosher <inre0017ATnospamfran ]
RE: A question for Dieter [ Michael Lance Mosher <inre0017ATnospamfran ]
Re: true colors [ Michael Lance Mosher <inre0017ATnospamfran ]
Re: visitor & cabage [ Michael Lance Mosher <inre0017ATnospamfran ]
RE: A question for Dieter [ Michael Lance Mosher <inre0017ATnospamfran ]
Re: need to know [ Michael Lance Mosher <inre0017ATnospamfran ]
Re: An unpleasant experience [ Michael Lance Mosher <inre0017ATnospamfran ]
Re: Introduction from a newbie. [ Michael Lance Mosher <inre0017ATnospamfran ]
Date: Mon, 3 Nov 1997 10:27:01 -0000
From: "Terry Tim Rodgers" <blasterATnospamsteelcity.net>
To: <amckeonATnospamhsmail.nfld.k12.mn.us>, <kundalini-lATnospamexecpc.com>
Subject: responding: An unpleasant experience
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Hi,
First of all as you can see I am a professional psychic so what I am saying
comes from the heart. If you went to a psychic and felt that bad afterwards
I can understand why you would be so upset. I consider myself to be a God
psychic. ( I feel Joseph in the bible was the first) Alot of people don't
understand what that means, but my powers come from God. Some psychic don't
do that. As a God psychic when you have a reading from me if you don't come
out of the reading feeling regenerated ,then I am not doing my work.
I am very sorry that you had such a bad experience. I wish I could erase it
from you, but God is positive and loving and kind. He may show you
something that needs corrected, but will also show you how to correct it.
Please don't take all psychic's as what happen to you.
I wish you the very best and will pray for you .
___________________________
Now that I know that I'm breaking to pieces I'll pull out my heart
and I'll feed it to anyone crying for sympathy because we all
know how the ending is going to be. BY THE CURE
**********
*********
Sincerely,
Terry Tim Rodgers:Professional Artist, Professional Psychic, Medium,
Spiritual Counselor,Clairvoyant
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-----Original Message-----
From: amckeonATnospamhsmail.nfld.k12.mn.us <amckeonATnospamhsmail.nfld.k12.mn.us>
To: kundalini-lATnospamexecpc.com <kundalini-lATnospamexecpc.com>
Date: Monday, November 03, 1997 7:47 AM
Subject: Re: An unpleasant experience
>X-No-Archive: yes
>
>Daniel wrote:
>
>>I went to talk to a psychic about kundalini.
><snip>
>>After I left her, I felt like there wasn't an ounce of goodness in
>>me. I felt drained more than ever before.
>
>Thank you so much for sharing this story with the list. I too had this
>experience. However, I had not gone to see the "psychic" specifically about
>kundalini, as I didn't know that that was what was happening to me. I too
>felt I was a "bad" person after talking with her. I had gone seeking help
>and came away feeling as if I didn't have the right to be alive. The
>experience was that negative. Luckily, I seem to have a big inner block
>against suicide, or I may have attempted it several times before I was able
>to "get over it."
>
>Daniel again:
> >This isn't the first time I've thought that I've
>>felt the pain (or pleasure) of another as if it were my own. Can anybody
>>relate?
>
>Yes. I am the big "sadness sponge" for my family of origin. And, this
>reminds me of an old David Bromberg tune "Someone Else's Blues" (from the
>album "Wanted Dead or Alive"). I searched the net today but couldn't find
>the lyrics... But perhaps some of you as old as I am remember them...
>
>Thanks again for sharing,
>amckeon
>
>
Date: Mon, 3 Nov 1997 12:19:57 -0500 (EST)
From: Harsh Luthar <hlutharATnospamkeynes.bryant.edu>
To: Dieter Dambiec <d.dambiecATnospamstudent.canberra.edu.au>
cc: "'kundalini-lATnospamexecpc.com'" <kundalini-lATnospamexecpc.com>,
kundalini-lATnospamlists.execpc.com
Subject: RE: A question for Dieter
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Very nice poem and beautiful insights. I have another request for the
K-list. There was a very positive response to putting my paper on
Kundalini on the Web. Over the weekend, I looked over the paper and made
some minor but important additions and added subtitles to make the paper
more accessible. Is there anyone interested in proofreading it carefully
and giving feedback before it is put on the Web. I wish to catch any
grammatical errors I may have made. The title of the paper is
"The Spiritual Experience and the Awakening of Kundalini Shakti in Tantra
Yoga: Meditation and Pranayama in the context of love and sensuality." The
paper assumes knowledge of basic vocabulary used in the context of
Kundalini and familiarity with advanced practices of yoga, including
mudras, bandhas and Bhastrika pranayama.
****
Harsh K. Luthar
Date: Mon, 03 Nov 1997 12:06:07 -0500
From: acarre <acarreATnospamCONCENTRIC.NET>
To: E Jason <vv60ATnospamdial.pipex.com>
CC: kundalini-lATnospamexecpc.com
Subject: Re: need to know
Message-ID: <345E047E.75C937E2ATnospamconcentric.net>
Hi,
E Jason wrote:
> True enough (surrender to Goddess - not ego - for those wondering).
> These of course are not the same thing. People try to capture and
> repeat experiences they like (greed) and avoid what they find
> disruptive or intrusive (conflict). This is why at some point in the
> surrender process we have to give up the search for and attachment to
> ecstasy and be more accomodating, gentler and more harmonious with
> areas that we consider unspiritual or to be avoided.
The surrender concept can be applied to the All in One/One in All
Reality. In this realm they are no area that can be tough as
"unspiritual".
> You can sit in as many cars as you like without ever learning how to
> drive. Driving is
> an active participation. Just getting in different cars until one
> turns up the destination is a strange concept. Good luck!
Snip
> Something changes and people say 'why did it happen to me'. We must
> prepare for
> change; be accepting of difficulties that teach us so much and
> grateful for and
> appreciative of this good. Change is inevitable. Our attitude to
> change - can change.
Where is the need to drive in this world? Thinking there is a driver,
only makes us think we are the ones acting. The only thing that does not
change is change itself. Thinking there is a driver, makes us
think/believe that the one perceiving change does not change, it limits
his perspective, the ability to change ones perspective with the flow of
events.
Love
Antoine
Date: Mon, 03 Nov 1997 10:19:08 +0100
From: Gloria Greco <lodpressATnospamintercomm.com>
To: fredaATnospamblarg.net
CC: kundalini-lATnospamexecpc.com
Subject: Re: visitor & cabage
Message-ID: <345D970B.6224ATnospamintercomm.com>
freda wrote:
>
>
Gloria's
> suggestion to Holly prompted the memory of that event as well as others,
> I have always felt close to God and he/she have been with me in joy and
> sorrow. Together we have had conversations which have included side
> spitting laughter as well as deep felt sorrow. I am grateful for the
> relationship which is perhaps the only relationship I have ever known
> which has never, ever required that I pretend to be or feel anything
> other than what is at any given moment, although I've been guided to
> see my mistakes. Inevitable I suppose.
> Thank you all again.
HI Freda,
When your aware of the Holy Spirit with you in your experience, you
really are being carried even if sometimes it seems your not, but in
truth you are. Gloria
> --
>
--
Enter The Silence to Know God ... and... accept life as the teacher.
Gloria Joy Greco
e-mail me at : lodpressATnospamintercomm.com and visit our homepages at:
http://users.intercomm.com/larryn/
&
http://www.freeyellow.com/members/zg888/
Hope you enjoy them!
Date: Mon, 3 Nov 1997 12:56:22 -0600 (CST)
From: Michael Lance Mosher <inre0017ATnospamfrank.mtsu.edu>
To: amckeonATnospamhsmail.nfld.k12.mn.us
cc: kundalini-lATnospamexecpc.com, kundalini-lATnospamlists.execpc.com
Subject: Re: Introduction from a newbie.
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On Mon, 3 Nov 1997 amckeonATnospamhsmail.nfld.k12.mn.us wrote:
> Angelique wrote:
>
> > Hello, Len, Welcome.
> > I have read your same story many times on this list.. 12 step programs
> >and KA. do seem to go together sometimes...
>
> And I think that some people drink or drug in order to try and make the K
> go away! When that doesn't work, they end up in 12 step programs and the K
> returns, but then at least they have some support for dealing with the
> symptoms (which are sometimes ironically seen as mere evidence of
> withdrawal from the chemicals). Ain't life a kick?
>
> JMHO,
> amckeon
>
>
>
>
>
Date: Mon, 3 Nov 1997 12:57:33 -0600 (CST)
From: Michael Lance Mosher <inre0017ATnospamfrank.mtsu.edu>
To: amckeonATnospamhsmail.nfld.k12.mn.us
cc: kundalini-lATnospamexecpc.com, kundalini-lATnospamlists.execpc.com
Subject: Re: An unpleasant experience
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On Mon, 3 Nov 1997 amckeonATnospamhsmail.nfld.k12.mn.us wrote:
> X-No-Archive: yes
>
> Daniel wrote:
>
> >I went to talk to a psychic about kundalini.
> <snip>
> >After I left her, I felt like there wasn't an ounce of goodness in
> >me. I felt drained more than ever before.
>
> Thank you so much for sharing this story with the list. I too had this
> experience. However, I had not gone to see the "psychic" specifically about
> kundalini, as I didn't know that that was what was happening to me. I too
> felt I was a "bad" person after talking with her. I had gone seeking help
> and came away feeling as if I didn't have the right to be alive. The
> experience was that negative. Luckily, I seem to have a big inner block
> against suicide, or I may have attempted it several times before I was able
> to "get over it."
>
> Daniel again:
> >This isn't the first time I've thought that I've
> >felt the pain (or pleasure) of another as if it were my own. Can anybody
> >relate?
>
> Yes. I am the big "sadness sponge" for my family of origin. And, this
> reminds me of an old David Bromberg tune "Someone Else's Blues" (from the
> album "Wanted Dead or Alive"). I searched the net today but couldn't find
> the lyrics... But perhaps some of you as old as I am remember them...
>
> Thanks again for sharing,
> amckeon
>
>
>
Date: Mon, 3 Nov 1997 12:57:53 -0600 (CST)
From: Michael Lance Mosher <inre0017ATnospamfrank.mtsu.edu>
To: Dieter Dambiec <d.dambiecATnospamstudent.canberra.edu.au>
cc: "'kundalini-lATnospamexecpc.com'" <kundalini-lATnospamexecpc.com>,
kundalini-lATnospamlists.execpc.com
Subject: RE: A question for Dieter
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On Mon, 3 Nov 1997, Dieter Dambiec wrote:
>
>
> -----Original Message-----
> From: Sharon Webb [SMTP:shawebbATnospamyhc.edu]
>
> Dieter,
>
> The poem is lovely. Is it yours?
> [>]
> Most surely is - the worst is yet to come :))
>
> [>]
> >>If one bases one's actions in this world only on feelings that in itself
> is a limitation.
>
> Of course it is. And I would add that the tool kit of logic, without the
> balance of feeling, of love, of compassion, of acceptance, must fail when
> it tries to capture the ineffable.
>
> [>] I think there is a somewhat of a distinction between logic and rationality. Logic is simply a type of 'survey' of the terrain. Rationality has the extra chacteristic of human welfare (which of course entails love for humanity). It certainly involves some form of discrimination for promoting human welfare. It may also be called "conscience" (or in sanskarit 'viveka'). Essentially it is spiritually based.
>
> Discrimination: An extremely useful tool...provided that discrimination
> admits to itself that maybe...just maybe...it does not always have enough
> information to discriminate intelligently.
>
> [>] Such is also the nature of human beings, ie to make mistakes. You may have heard the story of how that great 'yogi' and spiritual preceptor Lord Krsna died. It is something like this:
>
> Lord Krsna sat quietly under a tree on a stone. The lower portion of His feet was reddish. A hunter, Jara by name, saw something reddish under the tree and took it to be a bird or the like. He shot a poisonous arrow that struck Lord Krsna's feet. He came in search of his prey and found Lord Krsna instead. The body of Lord Krsna was getting bluish because of the working of the poison. The hunter confessed his serious mistake. Lord Krsna consoled him and said:
>
> "Such mistakes are committed by human beings. Had I been you, I might have committed the same mistake. You have not committed this mistake intentionally. Never mind it. In the world such mistakes are committed by people. You did not know before hand that I was here. You should not be punished either legally or morally, as such mistakes are committed by people. I forgive you."
>
> Saying this, Lord Krsna left His body.
>
> [>] That's how simple it is. I don't know about others but this little story means a lot to me.
>
> Sentiment: Nothing more than trivialized emotion. The mind, when it so
> chooses, has the ability to trivialize true feelings by denigrating these
> as "sentiment" and thus dismissing them because it is less painful to
> dismiss, than to feel.
> [>]
> I probably would have said the same thing in my previous post - but you know being sensitive to all this sort of thing :)), bit of tact needed.
>
> Devotion: A curious mixture. With balance, with faith in greater being,
> with a modicum of trust, it can transfigure; without balance, with only the
> blunt tools of the mind alone, it can build prison cells with the dry
> bricks of dogma.
>
> [>] Indeed for what may be colloquially called 'spiritual capitalists' this may be the case. In that capitalist structure, industry or production is governed by the profit motive alone, but in the 'spiritual socialist' structure production is governed by the motive of consumption of more Bliss :) and that is for all, governed by their own incentive also I may say.
>
> [>] Of course some may say that once convinced that the nearest and dearest one is the Supreme Consciousness, God or whatever one likes to call it, the Soul of souls, then .....
>
> Dieter
> [>]
> ··
>
>
Date: Mon, 3 Nov 1997 12:58:09 -0600 (CST)
From: Michael Lance Mosher <inre0017ATnospamfrank.mtsu.edu>
To: E Jason <vv60ATnospamdial.pipex.com>
cc: kundalini-lATnospamexecpc.com, kundalini-lATnospamlists.execpc.com
Subject: Re: need to know
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On Mon, 3 Nov 1997, E Jason wrote:
> Susan Carlson wrote:
>
> > Hi,
> > I will state right up front that I believe there is no fight -internal
> > or external- in the raising of kundalini whether thru spontaneous
> > awakening, shaktipat, or a seeking to raise it on ones own.
> >
> > To me it is a process of surrender...
>
> True enough (surrender to Goddess - not ego - for those wondering). These of course are
> not the same thing. People try to capture and repeat experiences they like (greed) and
> avoid what they find disruptive or intrusive (conflict). This is why at some point in
> the surrender process we have to give up the search for and attachment to ecstasy and be
> more accomodating, gentler and more harmonious with areas that we consider unspiritual
> or to be avoided.
>
>
> > I believe the awakening of kundalini brings the aspect of grace...we
> > will move forward regardless of our practices. The energy itself will
> > transform our practice so that it will support the rising of kundalini.
> >
> > Walking into a garage does not make me a car. Surrounding myself in
> > specific structures and practices does not necessarily make me move
> > closer to enlightenment.
>
> :)
> You can sit in as many cars as you like without ever learning how to drive. Driving is
> an active participation. Just getting in different cars until one turns up the
> destination is a strange concept. Good luck!
> Yes there is Grace and there is also the creation of a suitable vessel for the Grace to
> manifest.
> Everything is fine - people are happy :)
> Something changes and people say 'why did it happen to me'. We must prepare for
> change; be accepting of difficulties that teach us so much and grateful for and
> appreciative of this good. Change is inevitable. Our attitude to change - can change.
>
>
> > Surrendering to Love makes Seva (service) a joy and effortless.
> > Surrenering to Love transforms crudeness in any form.
> >
> > I find in my own life that surrendering to the Love that lives in my own
> > heart is often harder than giving Love to others.
>
> Giving Love is the only way (one can not take Love but one may receive it).
>
>
> > I can not often give to myself what I am so good at giving to others.
> > Then could I really call what I give to others Love or just a shadow
> > image of the Love I give to my Self?
> >
> > This is one of those things that I am working to make real in my
> > life...Love of Self...little self too.
>
> It comes as a surprise to many of us that we are worthy of Love, that we may give this
> to ourselves as well as to others. So how do we increase in Love?
>
> 1. Personal transformation
> 2. Increase in doing good
> 3. Developing time to appreciate and enhance
> 4. [yet another way]
>
> most kind regards
> Lobster
>
>
>
>
> > Namaste,
> > Susan
> >
> > ______________________
> > Get Your Private, Free Email at http://www.hotmail.com
>
>
>
Date: Mon, 3 Nov 1997 12:58:39 -0600 (CST)
From: Michael Lance Mosher <inre0017ATnospamfrank.mtsu.edu>
To: Gloria <glorybeATnospamintrepid.net>
cc: kundalini-lATnospamexecpc.com, kundalini-lATnospamlists.execpc.com
Subject: RE: A question for Dieter
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On Mon, 3 Nov 1997, Gloria wrote:
> >oh Dieter!!!! Your poem has so spoken to my heart...please do share more
> of your poetry!!!! For various reasons, I have lacked the mental focus to
> respond in any meaningful way to all your postings, Dieter. Please know
> that I have read them with much interest and appreciate your contributions
> to the list very much. Sharon's question to you has evoked a very fruitful
> exchange of ideas about the nature of feelings...the complexity of which
> similarly overwhelms me at the moment...( I am recovering from major
> surgery and on pain pills the last couple weeks which cloud my mind and
> makes any thinking seem a great effort.) So I am saving your posts to study
> later..just wanted to thank you for your considerable energy devoted to the
> list here recently.. and to request more poems.. :))))) With true
> devotion, Gloria Lee
> >
> >
> >-----Original Message-----
> >From: Sharon Webb [SMTP:shawebbATnospamyhc.edu]
> >
> >Dieter,
> >
> >The poem is lovely. Is it yours?
> >[>]
> >Most surely is - the worst is yet to come :))
> >
> >[>]
> >>>If one bases one's actions in this world only on feelings that in itself
> >is a limitation.
> >
> >Of course it is. And I would add that the tool kit of logic, without the
> >balance of feeling, of love, of compassion, of acceptance, must fail when
> >it tries to capture the ineffable
> .
> ***** BUT !!! Poetry does capture the ineffable so well.. so often...look
> at Rumi..******* And your story about Mistakes.. which I will also delete
> from this post was such another expression of compassion...Dieter, you are
> a rich treasure, indeed, to share your wealth with us here on the list!!!
> Thanks, many thanks... Gloria Lee
> >
> >
> >
> >
>
>
Date: Mon, 3 Nov 1997 12:58:23 -0600 (CST)
From: Michael Lance Mosher <inre0017ATnospamfrank.mtsu.edu>
To: "Holly N. Barrett, Ph.D." <hbarrettATnospamix.netcom.com>
cc: kundalini-lATnospamexecpc.com, kundalini-lATnospamlists.execpc.com
Subject: Re: true colors
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On Mon, 3 Nov 1997, Holly N. Barrett, Ph.D. wrote:
> This autumn in D.C. is my first in 22 years and it is breaking my
> heart. Los Angeles had autumn but it was more subtle -- this one packs
> a wallop. An article in the paper reminded me that the reds and golds
> we see in the leaves before they die are their true colors, masked in
> youth by the need to produce chlorophyl. Nature flames out.
>
> I will turn 50 this weekend. I think K is gonna help me flame out,
> too.
>
> Holly
>
>
Date: Mon, 3 Nov 1997 13:03:51 -0600 (CST)
From: Michael Lance Mosher <inre0017ATnospamfrank.mtsu.edu>
To: freda <fredaATnospamblarg.net>
cc: kundalini-lATnospamexecpc.com, kundalini-lATnospamlists.execpc.com
Subject: Re: visitor & cabage
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On Mon, 3 Nov 1997, freda wrote:
> Good Morning All,
> After a very enlightened weekend I am feeling refreshed and full of
> life! I thank all for your kind words and your insights about my
> protective friend. I am looking forward to his next visit, should he
> choose to visit again.
> Also, I am grateful for your responses to my cabbage story. Gloria's
> suggestion to Holly prompted the memory of that event as well as others,
> I have always felt close to God and he/she have been with me in joy and
> sorrow. Together we have had conversations which have included side
> spitting laughter as well as deep felt sorrow. I am grateful for the
> relationship which is perhaps the only relationship I have ever known
> which has never, ever required that I pretend to be or feel anything
> other than what is at any given moment, although I've been guided to
> see my mistakes. Inevitable I suppose.
> Thank you all again.
> --
> Freda ~ BE-IS-AM
> http://www.blarg.net/~freda/01rg/hm/frhm.htm
> http://www.blarg.net/~freda/01a/mnf/mrite.htm
> ICQ # 4323543
>
>
Date: Mon, 3 Nov 1997 13:04:05 -0600 (CST)
From: Michael Lance Mosher <inre0017ATnospamfrank.mtsu.edu>
To: Harsh Luthar <hlutharATnospamkeynes.bryant.edu>
cc: Dieter Dambiec <d.dambiecATnospamstudent.canberra.edu.au>,
"'kundalini-lATnospamexecpc.com'" <kundalini-lATnospamexecpc.com>,
kundalini-lATnospamlists.execpc.com
Subject: RE: A question for Dieter
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On Mon, 3 Nov 1997, Harsh Luthar wrote:
> Very nice poem and beautiful insights. I have another request for the
> K-list. There was a very positive response to putting my paper on
> Kundalini on the Web. Over the weekend, I looked over the paper and made
> some minor but important additions and added subtitles to make the paper
> more accessible. Is there anyone interested in proofreading it carefully
> and giving feedback before it is put on the Web. I wish to catch any
> grammatical errors I may have made. The title of the paper is
> "The Spiritual Experience and the Awakening of Kundalini Shakti in Tantra
> Yoga: Meditation and Pranayama in the context of love and sensuality." The
> paper assumes knowledge of basic vocabulary used in the context of
> Kundalini and familiarity with advanced practices of yoga, including
> mudras, bandhas and Bhastrika pranayama.
>
> ****
> Harsh K. Luthar
>
>
>
Date: Mon, 3 Nov 1997 13:04:18 -0600 (CST)
From: Michael Lance Mosher <inre0017ATnospamfrank.mtsu.edu>
To: acarre <acarreATnospamCONCENTRIC.NET>
cc: E Jason <vv60ATnospamdial.pipex.com>, kundalini-lATnospamexecpc.com,
kundalini-lATnospamlists.execpc.com
Subject: Re: need to know
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On Mon, 3 Nov 1997, acarre wrote:
> Hi,
>
> E Jason wrote:
>
> > True enough (surrender to Goddess - not ego - for those wondering).
> > These of course are not the same thing. People try to capture and
> > repeat experiences they like (greed) and avoid what they find
> > disruptive or intrusive (conflict). This is why at some point in the
> > surrender process we have to give up the search for and attachment to
> > ecstasy and be more accomodating, gentler and more harmonious with
> > areas that we consider unspiritual or to be avoided.
>
> The surrender concept can be applied to the All in One/One in All
> Reality. In this realm they are no area that can be tough as
> "unspiritual".
>
> > You can sit in as many cars as you like without ever learning how to
> > drive. Driving is
> > an active participation. Just getting in different cars until one
> > turns up the destination is a strange concept. Good luck!
>
> Snip
>
> > Something changes and people say 'why did it happen to me'. We must
> > prepare for
> > change; be accepting of difficulties that teach us so much and
> > grateful for and
> > appreciative of this good. Change is inevitable. Our attitude to
> > change - can change.
>
> Where is the need to drive in this world? Thinking there is a driver,
> only makes us think we are the ones acting. The only thing that does not
> change is change itself. Thinking there is a driver, makes us
> think/believe that the one perceiving change does not change, it limits
> his perspective, the ability to change ones perspective with the flow of
> events.
>
> Love
> Antoine
>
>
Date: Mon, 3 Nov 1997 13:04:57 -0600 (CST)
From: Michael Lance Mosher <inre0017ATnospamfrank.mtsu.edu>
To: amckeonATnospamhsmail.nfld.k12.mn.us
cc: kundalini-lATnospamexecpc.com, kundalini-lATnospamlists.execpc.com
Subject: Re: An unpleasant experience
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On Mon, 3 Nov 1997, Michael Lance Mosher wrote:
>
>
> On Mon, 3 Nov 1997 amckeonATnospamhsmail.nfld.k12.mn.us wrote:
>
> > X-No-Archive: yes
> >
> > Daniel wrote:
> >
> > >I went to talk to a psychic about kundalini.
> > <snip>
> > >After I left her, I felt like there wasn't an ounce of goodness in
> > >me. I felt drained more than ever before.
> >
> > Thank you so much for sharing this story with the list. I too had this
> > experience. However, I had not gone to see the "psychic" specifically about
> > kundalini, as I didn't know that that was what was happening to me. I too
> > felt I was a "bad" person after talking with her. I had gone seeking help
> > and came away feeling as if I didn't have the right to be alive. The
> > experience was that negative. Luckily, I seem to have a big inner block
> > against suicide, or I may have attempted it several times before I was able
> > to "get over it."
> >
> > Daniel again:
> > >This isn't the first time I've thought that I've
> > >felt the pain (or pleasure) of another as if it were my own. Can anybody
> > >relate?
> >
> > Yes. I am the big "sadness sponge" for my family of origin. And, this
> > reminds me of an old David Bromberg tune "Someone Else's Blues" (from the
> > album "Wanted Dead or Alive"). I searched the net today but couldn't find
> > the lyrics... But perhaps some of you as old as I am remember them...
> >
> > Thanks again for sharing,
> > amckeon
> >
> >
> >
>
>
Date: Mon, 3 Nov 1997 13:05:09 -0600 (CST)
From: Michael Lance Mosher <inre0017ATnospamfrank.mtsu.edu>
To: amckeonATnospamhsmail.nfld.k12.mn.us
cc: kundalini-lATnospamexecpc.com, kundalini-lATnospamlists.execpc.com
Subject: Re: Introduction from a newbie.
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On Mon, 3 Nov 1997, Michael Lance Mosher wrote:
>
>
> On Mon, 3 Nov 1997 amckeonATnospamhsmail.nfld.k12.mn.us wrote:
>
> > Angelique wrote:
> >
> > > Hello, Len, Welcome.
> > > I have read your same story many times on this list.. 12 step programs
> > >and KA. do seem to go together sometimes...
> >
> > And I think that some people drink or drug in order to try and make the K
> > go away! When that doesn't work, they end up in 12 step programs and the K
> > returns, but then at least they have some support for dealing with the
> > symptoms (which are sometimes ironically seen as mere evidence of
> > withdrawal from the chemicals). Ain't life a kick?
> >
> > JMHO,
> > amckeon
> >
> >
> >
> >
> >
>
>
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