1997/11/02 12:16
kundalini-l-d Digest V97 #726
kundalini-l-d Digest Volume 97 : Issue 726
Today's Topics: Re: unknown visitor [ Gloria Greco ]
Negative Thoughts [ "F. Drew " ] Re: Negative Thoughts [ M ]
Re: A question for Dieter [ "Sharon Webb" ] Swami Beyondananda's Wisdom [ Ruth Trimble ]
Re: Negative Thoughts [ Gloria Greco To: fredaATnospamblarg.net
CC: kundalini-lATnospamexecpc.com Subject: Re: unknown visitor
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freda wrote: >
> Sorry if this seems off the subject of k, but I am not sure where to > find info about this experience:
> Often over the years I have seen what looks like an older man with > possibly a long grey/white bushy beard who appears just to the left and
> behind me, if I turn to catch a better glimps of him he disapears. He > never says anything but it is very comforting to have him there, I have
> made note of his presence when others are around and try not to look at > him while they try to see what is there but nobody else sees anything. I
> think of him as a protector, today I saw him and he "protected" me > again.
> I was driving the car, it has been one of those rainy days when its > really rainny then the sun gets real bright between rainstorms, a
> rainbow kind of day. I noticed that this presence was in the back seat > behind me. I made note of it and wondered what his purpose was. Maybe 3
> minutes passed as I kept driving along, then without my even thinking - > I slammed on the brake. I was stunned and shocked, I looked up and a boy
> of about 15 walked in front of my car. I had not seen him!! For just one > moment the suns glare had hidden the boy from me. Had I not braked when
> I did I would most definitly have hit the child. > I pulled to the side of the road to gather my thoughts. Then remembered
> my "protector" he was not there anylonger. > You can beleive I thanked him however.
> Does anyone have knowlege of such "protectors"? If so, I would be > interested in knowing more about them.
> -- > Freda ~ BE-IS-AM
> http://www.blarg.net/~freda/01rg/hm/frhm.htm > http://www.blarg.net/~freda/01a/mnf/mrite.htm
> ICQ # 4323543
Sounds like it is your guardian angel. We all have one you know. Gloria --
Enter The Silence to Know God ... and... accept life as the teacher.
Gloria Joy Greco e-mail me at : lodpressATnospamintercomm.com and visit our homepages at:
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Date: Sat, 01 Nov 1997 15:16:35 +0100 From: Gloria Greco
To: "Holly N. Barrett, Ph.D." CC: kundalini-lATnospamexecpc.com
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Holly N. Barrett, Ph.D. wrote:
> > Thanks for writing, Gloria. I've been thinking a lot about your
> emphasis on being for God from the heart -- very, very helpful. I > think I understood the test as it was happening, but was surprised by
> the aftereffect. Holly
Holly, When you really put your focus on God and not on meditation, or
thinking this or that way, but directly on knowing your relationship with God, everything changes. It is basically the first and last
commandment because if you put God first in all things, everything comes from him/her and life is easy. I have written a meditation that I have
to put on my homepage but I think it would be helpful to the list, I am going to put it out for them. Anyway, I teach it a little differently,
since from my experience the most important thing is God, the most important thing is your awareness of relationship with...
So, I suggest having a one to one conversation with God outloud like you are talking to a friend. It is for you to observe as much as it is
for you to connect to God. When you see yourself addressing your creator, you will know a great
deal about yourself, and how you relate to that infinite part of yourself. Many notice things about themselves that surprise them after
having the experience. This is by the way, a life changing experience because it needs to come directly from the heart.
If it is difficult to have this conversation, that says one thing, if it just flows and is very easy and natural another. This I see as the
really starting ground for everything because as the observer or witness to this encounter, you will change your perspective. If you are arrogant
you will see it, if you are humble and really meek that will show...you can't fake it can you? So, I would say open up to this, and really
consider you want to allow your true deep and sincere feelings about God to surface then observe, like you are watching a movie. Do this and tell
me what happens. Gloria
--
Enter The Silence to Know God ... and... accept life as the teacher. Gloria Joy Greco
e-mail me at : lodpressATnospamintercomm.com and visit our homepages at: http://users.intercomm.com/larryn/
& http://www.freeyellow.com/members/zg888/
Hope you enjoy them! Date: Sat, 01 Nov 1997 15:48:26 +0100
From: Gloria Greco To: anandajyoti
CC: "heartzenATnospamlistserv.servtech.com" , "kundalini-lATnospamexecpc.com" ,
"BedawnedATnospamaol.com" Subject: Re: Kriyas, detachment, oneness, etc.
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anandajyoti wrote: >
> BedawnedATnospamaol.com wrote: On love... >
> > Well, that's my conclusion, but I don't arrive at it in the same way. I > > think love is the most important thing we do, I think it's the force that
> > binds things together down to the most fundamental level. I don't think of > > core self as being "made" though; I think it has always had existence in one
> > form or other. > > Anandajyoti> You unnderstanding is clear to me , now.
Gloria here:
Love is a verb, it is action. I see love as the glue in the universe, without love it would just fall
apart. In fact, my spiritual training has been in first grounding in the frequency of love into whatever I do, so that it goes out in ripple
effects further and further as the love continues to expand.In this expansion it becomes divine and is what I call transformational love.
My husband and I married young, by the time I was 23 we had taken in teen age foster children, we did that because I was told after my
spiritual awakening at 21 that my mission was to reach through my life experience into the hearts and minds of many people.
And, it needed to be grounded as experience, here and now. So Dennis and I plus are two girls literally did this. For six years we worked
with 13 teen age girls that would have gone to reform school. It was wonderful. Our girls learned about love, giving and sharing, we all
learned as a family to give without any expectations of anything in return, and when it did return it was incredible. Many of those girls as
still connected to us, it is a powerful experience to watch them grow and change. They are in their 30's and 40's now, wow!
When our girls were teen agers we stopped and we live then with a group of adults, again, the ripple effect continued. After ten years of
living in that environment... the people from that experience are all still very close to us since they are now our soul family that meets
weekly and are on this list.(heartzen) Then, two of the people from that group...Anita who is on the list and
Pam...we published a community goodnews newspaper for 12 years, that was when I was told to bring hope to the valley, this came to me in a
dream. That was until 94, again the ripple effect needed to continue to expand, from individual lives, to community and out into the state. Then
came my books, the internet, and it doesn't stop does it? My husband and I have been shown in dreams and other experiences... we
need to expand again, so we are becoming a contract home for the state where we will take children 6 to 11 as an emergency placement.
Why? Our kids are grown, we could be just doing our own thing, no...it just doesn't feel right. We can do more and it has to be something
spontaneous and from the heart, and directly from us to anothers heart. We have been led to once more place ourselves in the position to love
and transform life. We are transmitters and receivers are we not, what better place to love then to love children who are starving for it.
The reason I've shared this is because the word love doesn't mean anything until you stretch and use it. People are much to much into
themselves, their own territory and control, what feels good and what they think and want. Then love becomes a noun, it is not used because it
is not invoked daily. When you open and step out to serve and you simply remain totally open
to that on going expansion of service... you end up with people and lots of them. Besides doing this I take care of grandchildren, I know some
people probably think I'm nuts. But, it is who I am and what I do naturally and best. It is about heart to heart, eye to eye, and hand to
hand. The reason I reach out on the net to all of you is because I know how love can pass when it is real and sincere and when it is God loving
himself in each of us. It is just to easy to spout out intellectual stuff about love, but love
is a verb it needs action and doing to really become active, which means involvement with people in life, here and now, today.
What you do will ripple out in every direction if it is truly from the Holy Spirit, this is love to me. And, until the day I leave this earth,
I will go on manifesting it at every turn. Gloria > >
> > >
> > > >
--
Enter The Silence to Know God ... and... accept life as the teacher.
Gloria Joy Greco e-mail me at : lodpressATnospamintercomm.com and visit our homepages at:
http://users.intercomm.com/larryn/ &
http://www.freeyellow.com/members/zg888/ Hope you enjoy them!
Date: Sun, 2 Nov 1997 14:55:13 +1100 From: Dieter Dambiec
To: "'kundalini-lATnospamexecpc.com'" Cc: "'Sharon Webb'"
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Do you intellectualize and judge because it's too scary to feel and experience?
[>] No not at all. It all depends on what the proper application of mind is at the time. (see below).
If one bases one's actions in this world only on feelings that in itself is a limitation. From experience mind works in at least 3 different ways:
Discrimination
Sentiment Devotion
Discrimination involves application of conscience and rationality. The history of human thought is to examine both the propriety and impropriety of an issue. Taking a decision on the side of propriety, it is called "conscience".
For this reason numerous great spiritual teachers have been persecuted and denounced. A close examination reveals that nearly every great spiritual teacher that history remembers has either been imprisoned, persecuted or has had to wage a battle against religious dogmas. Narcissist staring in mirrors pretending that sore eyes leads to revealations is simply a religious dogma. Don't worry I tried all this stuff 20 years ago. Candle staring and using Coca Cola as a mantra while offering some relaxation simply dulls the mind. Relaxation is not necessarily equated with spirituality.
Sentiment means that one merely has a liking for something and allows the mind to run after that. There is no knowing in that process whether the result is desirable or not. It may or may not be. Feelings tempered with rationality would be the better approach. Indeed devotion and rationality is preferable. Take for example, if someone meets another person at a party who they find an attraction towards and their feelings are aroused so that they feel a sexual attraction. Would it be wise to indulge in sexual practices just like that. In this day, would not one first apply some rationality and discern whether a person is HIV positive or has any other sexually transmitted disease. Mere reliance on feelings without even a minimum application of rationality easily leads to the demise of a person.
It is an utter illusion to suggest that one can base their life on feelings alone. It is a very risky path. One simply races after the idea that has come into one's mind, like an unbridled horse, without considering its good or bad consequences. The horse may move along the right path, or it may fall into a chasm. One cannot be certain.
It is like being attracted to some grains of rice spread under a net. Suddenly a bird catches sight of the grains and alights on the ground; it thinks, "Let me go down and eat them!" So it is caught in the net. But had it pursued the path of rationality, it would have thought--"Hmmm, rice is strewn in such a remote woodland! This is unnatural. There is neither a village nor rice fields nearby - so this is indeed strange. Let me think this over for a while...Aha! a net has been spread and ropes are laid on all sides. I must not alight there!"
Fact is that bird is thinking 'yeh' or 'ney'. Its higher feeling is to preserve its existence because it loves life. Its lower feeling is to accept anything tha looks nice.
Rationality is a treasure of humanity which no animal possesses (other than in the story above :)).
Indeed it also has its limitations. The better approach is to possess the inner asset of devotion within the heart and follow the path of rationality in dealing with the external world. That leads to victory and worthy deeds in this world. I fail to see how this was not the teaching of every great spiritual preceptor that ever passed through this world.
Those who are motivated by sentiment may earn temporary applause, but ultimately people realise, "No, they committed a mistake, they did not follow the path of rationality. They themselves were caught in a current of sentiment and drifted the society also in that current, and as a result society has been destroyed." Such is the case with reliance on feelings alone.
Such so-called 'gurus' or adepts at every whim whammy chakra potentnising application may at a particular time be treated with some respect (indeed even great respect) and elevate themselves to a throne of glory; but a time comes when the same people drag him down to the dust, saying, "Your days are finished. You have done much harm".
On the other hand, those who follow the path of rational judgment may perform great and glorious deeds, or mediocre deeds; or perhaps they do not even do anything worthy of mention at all but at least they do no harm to society. So whatever degree of respect they have earned, remains unaffected, because they did not injure society at all. And if they earn no respect or name or fame then it makes no difference. Even if they loose 'friends' or find enemies who are goaded by the desire to preserve their own selfish interests, they will still sacrifice (even their lives) out of devotion to the human cause of welfare. Witness Jesus Christ, for example. Same with Caetanya - in that era people thought his dancing of devotional kirtans to the Lord in public streets was a threat to the establishment of pseudo-Brahmins. Krsna in fact went to the extent of participating in the the great Mahabhrata war. Why then is spiritual history filled with these struggles - it is undeniable that it is.
All this is not unusual in the lives of great spiritual preceptors. History speaks plainly in this way. History also speaks of the profound integration of social cause with spiritual growth. This is prevalent even in the modern age. Was not great Shrii Aurobindo likewise made a political prisoner of his time. Mother Theresa first started by sitting on the steps of Calcutta hospitals demanding access for the poor. Of course not all spiritual persons indulge in such social causes but a great many have and continue to do so out of devotional feelings not just mere sentimental feelings.
[>] I ask you this because I know this state of mind intimately. [>] Which? And if you
are there now, and I think you are, then I suspect you will respond as I would have, by rationalizing. Am I wrong?
[>] No you are not wrong. Certainly not.
With love, Dieter, believe it or not....
Sharon [>] Likewise with love, Sharon, and I believe it unequivocally :)).
[>] Perhaps the real issue is accepting any sentimental feeling under the sun as compared to higher feelings of devotion and the like. Its easy to break into other peoples lockers. [>] PS Can't recall too many of your posts either on how you feel :)
[>] Here is a poem (I'm not as rational as you might think but I'm not into superficiality either :))
BREAKING INTO DIVINITY: THE THIEF STEALS THE HEART OF THE ASPIRANT
Silver lightning spikes across the hills,
You are the gale force, the brilliant warrior clashing
over on visionary horizons.
Ecstatic spiral hurricane, the sound of your glorious trumpet
heralds new destinies. Listen.
As the renunciating wind
You begin Your triumphant march towards me to win - my heart, my body, my mind ...
My everything.
You, infinite without shape or form.
one time cannot confine. Come,
come blow away old images of me, let them wither, lie low in the dusts of antiquity.
With confidence and ease
loosen the knots of my being. Come,
come impulsive one, You that cannot live with my indecisions,
defeat my blinding doubts of aimlessness.
Invading my privacy I give you my all,
and still you want more! Such thievery.
You press the tears from my eyes,
and expose the world's limited visions. You whisper in reassurance:
I am here. Be the bountiful unlimited!
Now, as a Thief are you my only friend, then flow to me, flow to me.
The past You shatter, the present You gather
the future You bring.
··
Date: Sun, 2 Nov 1997 01:47:51 -0500 (EST) From: Daniel James Giszczak
To: kundalini-lATnospamexecpc.com Subject: Peace
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Ever have those times when you're with a friend whose K's asleep
and he's had a really good day, and he's so excited about living that awareness of kundalini just goes clear out of your mind and you reach that
old state you used to call peace of mind. I realize I've missed that state. I feel so stable during these rare moments. I treasure them. I
perceive my body, and there are no currents, just maybe some muscular tension here, maybe an ache there. They'll go away. They don't mean
anything. I look into my mind, and I see thoughts, each one controlled and totally mine. There is nothing spontaneous. Yes, beneath those calm
controlled thoughts is a buzz that's constant and meaningless. Focus is purely on the senses. Sight is most important and takes
up the most attention. Beingness is limited. I think of a person, and it's just memory. I see an object, and it's just a desk, or a CD, or a
wallet. And I think, this is how it used to be. This is how the average person lives. I could stay like this, and I could just plod along through
life seeing nothing above this simplicity. I'd have a job, a wife, kids, a car, a dog. I'd drink beer with the guys and talk about football and
complain about my wife and kids. Life is slow and steady. My character is solid and steady. I am my body and nothing more. I go to sleep, and
dream, but they are just dreams.
And then I wake up. Dan
Date: Sun, 2 Nov 1997 07:55:44 -0000 From: "F. Drew "
To: "Daniel James Giszczak" , Subject: Re: Peace
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> And then I wake up.
> Dan ************************
Dear Dan:
I believe that it is not possible to go back. Now your choices are do it
well or do it poorly.
* *
Drew " So Far; So Good "
Date: Sun, 2 Nov 1997 10:24:28 -0000 From: "F. Drew "
To: "List Kundalin" Subject: Negative Thoughts
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Good Morning;
I know how to get rid of negative thoughts on a sunny day but I do not know what to do on a cloudy day.
On a sunny day I just go outside. open the top of my head, and let the thoughts go up into the sun and be burnt to provide heat.
But what do I do if it is raining ?
* Drew
" So Far; So Good " leydaATnospamvalunet.com
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Date: Sun, 2 Nov 1997 08:29:13 -0800 (PST) From: M
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At 10:24 AM 11/2/97 -0000, F. Drew wrote: >I know how to get rid of negative thoughts on a sunny day but I do not know
what to do on a cloudy day. >
>On a sunny day I just go outside. open the top of my head, and let the thoughts go up into the sun and be burnt to provide heat.
> >But what do I do if it is raining ?
Send them out with little umbrellas and raincoats, of course!
M
Date: Sun, 2 Nov 1997 12:09:14 -0500 From: "Sharon Webb"
To: Subject: Re: A question for Dieter
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Dieter,
The poem is lovely. Is it yours?
>>If one bases one's actions in this world only on feelings that in itself is a limitation.
Of course it is. And I would add that the tool kit of logic, without the
balance of feeling, of love, of compassion, of acceptance, must fail when it tries to capture the ineffable.
>>From experience mind works in at least 3 different ways:
>>Discrimination
>>Sentiment >>Devotion
Mind works in very many more ways than that. Mind, operating within the
narrow confines of the small self is quite efficient. It can build walls to protect the little ego from the Self; it can fend off the vulnerability
of acceptance; it can hold a feeble match in the dark and convince itself utterly of its brilliance.
Discrimination: An extremely useful tool...provided that discrimination
admits to itself that maybe...just maybe...it does not always have enough information to discriminate intelligently.
Sentiment: Nothing more than trivialized emotion. The mind, when it so
chooses, has the ability to trivialize true feelings by denigrating these as "sentiment" and thus dismissing them because it is less painful to
dismiss, than to feel.
Devotion: A curious mixture. With balance, with faith in greater being, with a modicum of trust, it can transfigure; without balance, with only the
blunt tools of the mind alone, it can build prison cells with the dry bricks of dogma.
Love,
Sharon shawebbATnospamyhc.edu
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Date: Sun, 2 Nov 1997 07:31:04 -1000 From: Ruth Trimble
To: kundalini-lATnospamexecpc.com cc: LightWork-L email list
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Swami Beyondananda.. for some light spiritual fun! >
>From: C R >Subject: Swami Beyondananda's Guidelines for Enlightenment
> 1. Be a Fundamentalist - make sure the Fun always comes before the > mental.
> Realize that life is a situation comedy that will never be > canceled. A laugh track has been provided, and the reason why we
> are put in the material world is to get more material. Have a > good laugh twice a day, and that will ensure regular hilarity.
> 2. Remember that each of us has been given a special gift, just for > entering - so you are already a winner!
> 3. The most powerful tool on the planet today is Tell-A-Vision. > That is where I tell a vision to you, and you tell a vision to me.
> That way, if we don't like the programming we're getting, we can > simply change the channel.
> 4. Life is like photography. you use the negative to develop. And, > no matter what adversity you face, be reassured: Of course G--
> loves you. He's just not ready to make a commitment. > 5. It is true. As we go through life thinking heavy thoughts,
> thought particles tend to get caught between the ears, causing a > condition called truth decay. So be sure to use mental floss twice
> a day. And when you're tempted to practice tantrum yoga, remember > what we teach in Swami's Absurdiveness Training class:
> "Don't get even, get odd." > 6. If we want world peace, we must let go of our attachments and
> truly live like nomads. That's where I no mad at you, you no mad > at me. That way, there'll surely be nomadness on the planet. And
> peace begins with each of us. A little peace here, a little peace > there, pretty soon all the peaces will fit together to make one
> big peace everywhere. > 7. I know great changes have been predicted for the future, so if
> you're looking to avoid earthquakes, my advice is simple: When you > find a fault, just don't dwell on it.
> 8. There's no need to change the world. All we have to do is toilet > train the world, and we'll never have to change it again.
> 9. If you're looking to find the key to the Universe, I have some > bad news and some good news. The bad news is - there is no key to
> the Universe. The good news is - it has been left unlocked. > 10. Finally, everything I have told you is channeled. That way, if
> you don't like it, it's not my fault. And remember, enlightenment > is not a bureaucracy. So we don't have to go through channels.
>----------------------------------------------------------- >>
> Date: Sun, 02 Nov 1997 10:36:52 +0100
From: Gloria Greco To: "F. Drew"
CC: List Kundalin Subject: Re: Negative Thoughts
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F. Drew wrote: >
> Good Morning; >
> I know how to get rid of negative thoughts on a sunny day but I do not > know what to do on a cloudy day.
> > On a sunny day I just go outside. open the top of my head, and let the
> thoughts go up into the sun and be burnt to provide heat. >
> But what do I do if it is raining ?
Let the rain come through and wash them away. We don't have to fight off the negative feelings, you need to observe them without judgement
and when you don't give it energy it will dissolve. gloria >
> * > Drew
> " So Far; So Good " > leydaATnospamvalunet.com
--
Enter The Silence to Know God ... and... accept life as the teacher.
Gloria Joy Greco e-mail me at : lodpressATnospamintercomm.com and visit our homepages at:
http://users.intercomm.com/larryn/ &
http://www.freeyellow.com/members/zg888/ Hope you enjoy them!
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