1997/11/01 16:49
kundalini-l-d Digest V97 #725
kundalini-l-d Digest Volume 97 : Issue 725
Today's Topics:
RE: Kriyas and tantra (was Re: What [ Dieter Dambiec <d.dambiecATnospamstudent.c ]
RE: [Fwd: Meditations from the World [ Dieter Dambiec <d.dambiecATnospamstudent.c ]
RE: Verse 1-2 - Ananda Sutram - Anan [ Dieter Dambiec <d.dambiecATnospamstudent.c ]
Re: An unpleasant experience [ jeannegATnospamicon.net (Jeanne Garner) ]
A question for Dieter [ "Sharon Webb" <shawebbATnospamyhc.edu> ]
Lessons from the Soul _ #35 [ John Otis <sacredwindATnospamusa.net> ]
Re: Vibrations/K - YOUR BOOK!! [ NamasteaATnospamaol.com ]
Re:Meditations from the World of Osh [ onarresATnospaminreach.com ]
Re: Kriyas, detachment, oneness, etc [ BedawnedATnospamaol.com ]
unknown visitor [ freda <fredaATnospamblarg.net> ]
Re: Kriyas, detachment, oneness, etc [ anandajyoti <anandajyotiATnospamgeocities. ]
Date: Sat, 1 Nov 1997 17:34:37 +1100
From: Dieter Dambiec <d.dambiecATnospamstudent.canberra.edu.au>
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Subject: Re: Kriyas and tantra (was Re: What to expect ...)
How can one
> practice "detachment" and love at the same time when detachment and love are
> notions inherently opposed to one another. How can one love if one is
> detached?
The love of great spiritual figures in history was Love that was untarnished, free from all caprice. How was such love untarnished? Through rendering services, maintainng the sentiment of serving the person served for his/her comfort and well-being. Selfless service.
The more a person works with feelings of detachment, the greater will be their Godward speed and that more the `I' feeling will be dissolved. This approach is easily possible between any persons who care for each other as well as persons who simply wish to render services to the society, eg Mother Theresa
'I' feeling is simply drenched when the divine feeling is acquired. The detached actions are the struggle with the unit self and the attainment of Universal `I'. The Unit `I' goes on abating in proportion to the lessening of the individual desire for attachment and in the very proportion the mind's sphere gets enlightened by the refulgence of the Universal Self. That is the path of action without attachment. It is not a rejection of anything - it is simply a way of seeing in that process the vibration one contends with both as sender and to the receiver is not to want the 'love' of another but to serve the person as an expression of the Divine. Indeed to want can lead to lust and envy which distorts the mind, creates reactions and is not a positive flow.
Dieter
Date: Sat, 1 Nov 1997 21:17:11 +1100
From: Dieter Dambiec <d.dambiecATnospamstudent.canberra.edu.au>
To: "kundalini-lATnospamexecpc.com" <kundalini-lATnospamexecpc.com>
Subject: RE: [Fwd: Meditations from the World of Osho] (fwd)
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Do not change your staring. Go on staring and within 2-3 days you will
notice a very strange phenomenon. Your face will begin to take new shapes.
The face in the mirror will begin to change. Sometime a totally different
face will be seen nowhere similar to the one that you know.
>> I have a computer program that does this better - only costs me $5 - Its called MORPH studio.
All these faces are yours. The subconscious mind is beginning to explode.
>> Yep and my program crashed after 3 days when the face changes got too much for it.
These faces, these masks are yours, sometimes from your past lifes.
>> I always though morphing programs were about future lives so that moles and things like that could be removed from real photographs :)
After one week of so your face will be in flux, just a film like flux,
constantly changing.You will not be able to remember which is your own face
because you have seen so many come and go.
>> "Instant Karma's going to get you" -> John Lennon (singing about heroin withdrawal symptons).
If you continue for at least 3 weeks, then one day there will be no face in
the mirror.the mirro is vacant and you are staring at emptiness. There is
no face at all. You will be naked as you are, all deceptions fallen.
At that moment close your eyes and encounter THAT.
>>I saw that on a Bugs Bunny show. But didn't think Daffy Duck would make a good guru as 'Quack' was not a particularly appealing mantra.
Dieter
Date: Sat, 1 Nov 1997 22:12:41 +1100
From: Dieter Dambiec <d.dambiecATnospamstudent.canberra.edu.au>
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Subject: RE: Verse 1-2 - Ananda Sutram - Anandamurtiji
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> Dieter>........ As the efficient cause Purusa is the primary factor and Prakrti is the secondary one.
Anandajyoti> Purusha and Prakriti both being beyond space-time or the field of relativity, there is no primary and/or secondary.
[>] Beg to differ here because without the permission of the supreme Purusa the universe could not have been evolved. Therefore, Prakrti is the secondary Shakti, Purusa is he chief Shakti. Prakrti or Energy cannot be the primary cause of this manifest universe because by analogy the light is lit by electrical energy. The fan too moves electrically. But this electrical energy is controlled and harnessed by human beings and there is a switch for it too. If a human being does not want any electric light, s/he just switches it off and there is no light. The manifestation or unmanifestation of electrical energy depends on the human will. The power (Shakti) of Prakrti is likewise of the Purusa.
Anandajyoti> Purusha and Prakriti , both are eternal, two sides of the same principle, explained through the words for understanding and comprehensiononly.
[>] Indeed but the switch was thrown - albeit it that its beginning cannot be found.
Anandajyoti> Purusha is the Witness not the doer. Prakriti is not subordinate, it is the dynamic power of the Purusha.
[>] Prakrti poses as the doer. Similarly Nature is also not the original authority or doer-entity, but is the dynamic waves of the centrifugal and centripetal movements (Saincara - extroversial creative force and Pratisaincara - introversial force back to the source) of Prakrti.
Prakrti is an entity which is doing something, but it cannot be the material cause or the efficient cause because in the actional faculty of Prakrti there is no scope for any principle of cohesiveness. Shakti or energy itself is a blind force -- if it is not supported by Intellect or the Authority to Do. Suppose an electric hammer is being operated, and a child accidentally inserts its tender hand under the hammer. The hammer will automatically smash the hand - its blind force will not spare the innocent child's hand. Hence the force of Prakrti divorced from the touch of Purusa (consciousness) is highly dangerous. That Cognitive Principle itself is both the material cause and the efficient cause of creation. In the flow of creation the Cognitive Principle is also inseparably associated with the Creative Force.
> Dieter> The role of Purusa is foremost in all spheres. Prakrti only acts to whatever extent the Purusa has authorised or authorises her to act. In the process of evolution the Purusa gives Prakrti the authority to work and she goes on working.
Anandajyoti> Purusha does not command or authorize, nor does the Prakriti follow or work according to Purusha , as you mention.
[>] See reasoning above. Authority is in the sense of cohesiveness. If that were not so Prakriti is a mere blind force and by that reasoning (ie acceptance of Prakrti purely as a blind force not subject to anything) the entire theory of cause and effect would also fall apart.
Date: Sat, 1 Nov 1997 10:42:01 -0600
From: jeannegATnospamicon.net (Jeanne Garner)
To: kundalini-lATnospamexecpc.com
Subject: Re: An unpleasant experience
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Hi, Mike & all,
> Also, it is natural that we are connected. A certain amount of that is
>not avoidable IMHO. People who study clouds can tell you that distant
>storms interact with each other electrically through long arks of
>ionized particles. Not only do we interact with our auras, but through
>our crown chakras we ark up over and down to others. There is NO
>seperation.
This is my feeling too. Nothing wrong with noticing others' feelings, but
let it pass on and through you, rather than absorbing it per se. Why keep
it? I don't believe holding onto other peoples' pain (emotional or
spiritual) helps them or you. If you "take on" their "stuff," you might be
depriving them of something they actually wanted or needed to experience in
this lifetime. Rather than absorb or take on that energy, then, I prefer to
send them the ki to help them deal with it. Not "my" ki, but the universal
ki; with Reiki, it flows through me, but it's not mine. It's a lot like a
garden hose watering the garden. However, this is not a technique that is
limited to Reiki. I've seen similar healing thoughts described in other
healing traditions.
Jeanne
==-* My stars!
Date: Sat, 1 Nov 1997 11:53:40 -0500
From: "Sharon Webb" <shawebbATnospamyhc.edu>
To: <kundalini-lATnospamexecpc.com>
Subject: A question for Dieter
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Dieter,
Do you intellectualize and judge because it's too scary to feel and
experience?
I ask you this because I know this state of mind intimately. And if you
are there now, and I think you are, then I suspect you will respond as I
would have, by rationalizing. Am I wrong?
With love, Dieter, believe it or not....
Sharon
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Date: Wed, 01 Oct 1997 09:37:52 -0600
From: John Otis <sacredwindATnospamusa.net>
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Subject: Lessons from the Soul _ #35
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Greetings from the mountain top of the Sacred Wind!
There are many events taking place in each of our lives moment by
moment. We are constantly challenged to discern that which is important
from that which is not so important, that which is 'real' from that
which is not so 'real'. Of course, that is our purpose for being where
we are, to learn discernment as we awaken to 'eternal realities' and let
the 'temporal or assumed realities' slowly fade into the sunset of
experience. The Lessons this week offer some isights into the process
of awakening, oberving, seeing, experienceing, all of which lead to
'knowing'. As you set aside old paradigms and dogmas and let awareness
of the 'whole' or of 'Oneness' become your focus, the sun seems to shine
brighter, relationships with your 'self' become more intense and in
depth, and relationships with other souls become more aligned in
harmony, balance, truth and unity.
What a journey we are on! 'I' wouldn't miss it for anything! Happy
journey!
Blessings of Love and Light,
John and Cheryl
(If for any reason you want to be removed from this list, just let us
know!! Thanks!!)
--
>From the Land of Enchantment
<sacredwindATnospamusa.net>
<http://www.observations.org/sacredwind.html>
WHAT REALLY MATTERS?
There is always a question that is, as you might say, on the
tip of one's spiritual tongue, a question that is often
unasked but always present. There is always a question as
to what really matters. As a soul progresses through the
earthly experience, there are many activities, many points
of attachment, many points of reaction, many structures that
are built from mental and intellectual imagery, and from
emotional response and conditioning. There are many
patterns of behavior that become embroiled in the whirlwind
of reactive conditions within the earthly experience. There
are many physical appetites which become a dominant motive
for existence.
Underlying all of these externalized conditions is the often
unasked but most important question, what really matters?
If one were to look into the mirror of life and were able to
reflect on that which has had sustaining value, which has
the essence of eternal realities, one would see that much
that one experiences is of only passing significance in that
each experience allows the doorway to inner realities, to
inner eternal realities to be opened ever wider if one
reflects on and sees the underlying purpose, underlying
meaning of each and every step along the way.
Ultimately the answer to what really matters is rather
simple. The pathway to find the answer however is rather
convoluted and one that meanders through a myriad of
conditions, projected concepts, reactionary modes, and very
strongly held opinions and dogmas. There is much that needs
to be released as the pathway is walked. What really
matters? If one retreats from all that is externalized and
goes into the inner sanctuary of soul realities, there is a
clarity of vision that emerges. In this clarity of vision
one sees the underlying foundation, the connectedness of all
things, the Oneness of all that exists.
>From the perspective of soul realities, one discovers that
there are eternal realities that are the foundation for all
existence. These are called the Attributes of the Soul.
When combined, they equate to the pure statement of soul
consciousness radiating the Love and Light of creation.
So what really matters? It is a question that needs to be
asked consciously for as the question is asked, that which
really matters begins to emerge from the depths of the inner
sanctuary. That which does not matter begins to dissipate
and to disappear as the rising fog of externalized
perceptions dissipates. The clarity of vision, the clarity
of purpose, the clarity of existence emerges as soul
realities are brought into focus. You are a soul
progressing through a series of externalized, created
conditions that have but one purpose and that is to bring
you ever closer, step by step, to the reality of who you
are. You are Creation in action. You are that which is
called I AM. I AM the Love and Light of the universe.
What really matters? The pathway is clear. That which is
to be revealed is waiting. Discover what really matters and
let go of all that no longer has any significance or hold on
your perceptions. What really matters? You are who you are
embraced in the totality of the Love and Light of the
universe.
You are I AM, the Love, Light, and Life of Creation.
GT: 71018
WHAT DO YOU SEE?
We come into this very special place, this very special
inner sanctuary where there is perfect peace, perfect
harmony. We come into this place in a moment's notice. We
come into the consciousness of this place in the twinkling
of an eye. We are always connected to the process unfolding
as the individualized point of consciousness is searching
for the whole, for we are the whole that is emanating
through individualized expressions of consciousness. It is
all a matter of perception. It is a matter of observing,
feeling, and seeing not that which is the reactive and
reflective pattern of that being observed, but seeing what
is behind the pattern, what is the meaning, what is the
purpose. What are the points of connection between that
which is being seen and that which is the whole? It is all
a matter of perspective.
In your physical world when you see a tree, do you see the
leaves and say what pretty color? Do you see the bark and
say how smooth it is, or perhaps how rough and scratchy it
is? Do you see beyond those externalized, reflective
concepts? Do you see the energy pattern that has formed
this thing called a tree, the energy that flows up and
through every cell, every limb, and every leaf of that tree?
Do you see the energy flowing into and through every
cellular structure as the sun and the rain penetrate, wash,
and energize this tree? Do you see the connecting root that
carries the life force up, through, into, and then out of
the tree? There is so much more to see, to know, and to
feel about that tree than simply the pretty leaves and the
interesting bark.
When you see another soul embodied in your earthly
experience, what do you see? Do you see the externalized
clothing and say how pretty? Do you reflect and react to
that which is observed in the physical body? Do you see the
face and the hair and do you then make a judgment on what
you are seeing and say this is beautiful or this is not so
beautiful? Do you read or hear what another soul writes or
says and judge what you observe based on worldly and ego
patterns of reaction? There is so much more to see for the
physical vehicle is simply that -- a vehicle for
transporting the soul through a period of manifestation as
the soul experiences, learns, and remembers.
So when you look at an embodied soul, do you see the soul?
Do you see the energy pattern that is striving to find the
point of perfect harmony, perfect balance, perfect wholeness
in consciousness with all existence? Do you see the soul
going through the lesson plan that has been created -
learning, understanding, expanding, sharing? Or do you
simply react and reflect on the externalized observations
and keep such observations in the realm of emotional and
intellectual reactions?
You see, there is so much more than what meets the eye.
This same pattern of observation is true throughout your
existence. As you look into and feel the energy patterns of
your environment wherever you are, do you look beyond what
is being reacted to or responded to in the physical realm
and feel the essence of the flow of energy, the flow of
spirit, the flow of Love, Light, and Sound that surrounds,
permeates, and penetrates all existence? There is so much
more to experience and more to align with than the
reflective, reactive portion of that being observed.
As we have given, the soul is individualized only to the
extent that it sees its existence as being unique and
individualized. In reality all is One. From the earthly
perspective, when we say that souls are individualized
points of consciousness looking for the whole, we are
guiding the movement toward understanding that all is One
and, in Oneness, it is the consciousness of the whole
expressing, uniting, and participating in creation through
points of consciousness. It is all a matter of perspective.
Feel the truth of what we offer. Know the truth of who you
are and as you observe, see, and feel the omni-dimensional
presentations that are being made and will become the
pattern of interaction and observation, know that all points
of consciousness along the continuum of existence within
this omni-dimensional universe are all part of the whole.
All is One. It is simply a matter of perspective.
There are many questions that have been pondered by those
who have looked beyond the leaves and the bark of the tree,
questions that have asked: What is the Source? How does it
all connect? What is the underlying foundation? There are
many questions such as these that are being answered moment
by moment. All of these questions will be answered as the
evolution of awareness accelerates and as all souls are
brought into the full awareness of who and why they are.
This is a time when such awareness is being made manifest.
You are I AM the Love, Light, and Life of the universe.
ONE: 70720
Date: Sat, 1 Nov 1997 13:19:11 -0500 (EST)
From: NamasteaATnospamaol.com
To: kundalini-lATnospamlists.execpc.com
Subject: Re: Vibrations/K - YOUR BOOK!!
Message-ID: <971101111715_128335992ATnospammrin39>
Dan -
I've enjoyed your posts. I can understand (it seems) exactly) what you are
experiencing when you "pick up" negative energy and/or have a headache or
backache via some else's energy. You seem to be very empathic.
I am also writing about your post concerning your book you are writing. I
would be interested in more information.... it sounds like it can provide in
guidance what a lot of us, me, needs.
I have been experiencing Kundaini energy for quite some time. It would be
great to hear some different ideas on managing this gift.
Tamara
Date: Sat, 01 Nov 1997 10:39:56 -0800
From: onarresATnospaminreach.com
To: kundalini-lATnospamexecpc.com
Subject: Re:Meditations from the World of Osho
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>Dieter wrote:
>>If you continue for at least 3 weeks, then one day there will be no face
in the mirror.the mirro is vacant and you are staring at emptiness. There
is no face at all. You will be naked as you are, all deceptions fallen. At
that moment close your eyes and encounter THAT.
>
>dor writes:
>When I first started on my sojourn, I would look into the bathroom mirror
and often not see a reflection at all. The head and shoulders had
disappeared. Only by shaking my head, closing my eyes, would the reflection
return. What an experience, especially since I hadn't any clue as to what
was transpiring. I would imagine that a lot of K'ers have had the same
experience, but have never bothered to mention it, or had forgotten about
it entirely. I only remembered after reading your post on the subject.
>
>love dor
>
Date: Sat, 1 Nov 1997 13:48:35 -0500 (EST)
From: BedawnedATnospamaol.com
To: anandajyotiATnospamgeocities.com, heartzenATnospamlistserv.servtech.com,
kundalini-lATnospamlists.execpc.com
Subject: Re: Kriyas, detachment, oneness, etc.
Message-ID: <971101134834_1035034000ATnospammrin44.mail.aol.com>
Dear Anandajyoti;
<<If we say God is Love, and we are made in His image, then in my
understanding would not Love be the be all and end all of all.?>>
Well, that's my conclusion, but I don't arrive at it in the same way. I
think love is the most important thing we do, I think it's the force that
binds things together down to the most fundamental level. I don't think of
core self as being "made" though; I think it has always had existence in one
form or other.
<<No I would not say that, because each one of us begin our spiritual or
even our phenomenal journey in life , from where we are at a level of
consciousness, with all the contents of our subconscious. It is an
established fact that contents of our individual subconscious are not the
same in all people.>>
Sorry, I misunderstood. The idea of a screen allows for the extrapolation
that selfs are unchanging.
<< You wrote>"Reloading" is analogous with rebirth? "Stashes it away," a
version
> of Christian purgatory?
>
> Anandajyoti> This is the way you perceive it . Another may perceive it
> differently.>>
Well, I was trying paricularly to find out what you meant. I'm not trying to
be contrary; I really just don't know.
<<It does confuse us when we take metaphors, strictly in the literal sense.>>
But this is part of determining a metaphor's utility.
<<The screen here is only representative of the idea , that the SELF does
not change, and it is the substratum on which our experiences, changing all
the time, goes on.>>
So selfs are unchanging and individuals' subconscious and conscious minds
account for the differences in what we are??
I found Luthar's point below more digestible (because it's simpler).
<<The whole notion of detachment is predicated on the assumption that there
is something to be detached from. This undermines the notion of non-duality.
If dualism is sought to be rejected as a philosophy, it only reinforces
dualism. In order to reject something, there must be the rejecter and that
which is rejected. But if one can
remain silent and still, all concepts vanish and reality is experienced as it
is. It is only the inner core of your being.>>
And I won't paint the lily here. :)
Sincerely, Melissa
Date: Sat, 01 Nov 1997 13:45:53 -0800
From: freda <fredaATnospamblarg.net>
To: kundalini-lATnospamexecpc.com
Subject: unknown visitor
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Sorry if this seems off the subject of k, but I am not sure where to
find info about this experience:
Often over the years I have seen what looks like an older man with
possibly a long grey/white bushy beard who appears just to the left and
behind me, if I turn to catch a better glimps of him he disapears. He
never says anything but it is very comforting to have him there, I have
made note of his presence when others are around and try not to look at
him while they try to see what is there but nobody else sees anything. I
think of him as a protector, today I saw him and he "protected" me
again.
I was driving the car, it has been one of those rainy days when its
really rainny then the sun gets real bright between rainstorms, a
rainbow kind of day. I noticed that this presence was in the back seat
behind me. I made note of it and wondered what his purpose was. Maybe 3
minutes passed as I kept driving along, then without my even thinking -
I slammed on the brake. I was stunned and shocked, I looked up and a boy
of about 15 walked in front of my car. I had not seen him!! For just one
moment the suns glare had hidden the boy from me. Had I not braked when
I did I would most definitly have hit the child.
I pulled to the side of the road to gather my thoughts. Then remembered
my "protector" he was not there anylonger.
You can beleive I thanked him however.
Does anyone have knowlege of such "protectors"? If so, I would be
interested in knowing more about them.
--
Freda ~ BE-IS-AM
http://www.blarg.net/~freda/01rg/hm/frhm.htm
http://www.blarg.net/~freda/01a/mnf/mrite.htm
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Date: Sat, 01 Nov 1997 15:01:13 -0800
From: anandajyoti <anandajyotiATnospamgeocities.com>
To: "heartzenATnospamlistserv.servtech.com" <heartzenATnospamlistserv.servtech.com>,
"kundalini-lATnospamexecpc.com" <kundalini-lATnospamexecpc.com>
CC: "BedawnedATnospamaol.com" <BedawnedATnospamaol.com>
Subject: Re: Kriyas, detachment, oneness, etc.
Message-ID: <345BB4B4.85A3EC3EATnospamgeocities.com>
BedawnedATnospamaol.com wrote:
> Well, that's my conclusion, but I don't arrive at it in the same way. I
> think love is the most important thing we do, I think it's the force that
> binds things together down to the most fundamental level. I don't think of
> core self as being "made" though; I think it has always had existence in one
> form or other.
> Anandajyoti> You unnderstanding is clear to me , now.
>
> You wrote>Sorry, I misunderstood. The idea of a screen allows for the
> extrapolation
> that selfs are unchanging.
Anandajyoti> I am glad, that you understood my idea of it, although it may be
different.
>
>
> << You wrote> a.... version of Christian purgatory?
> >Well, I was trying paricularly to find out what you meant. I'm not trying to
> be contrary; I really just don't know.
>
Anandajyoti> Thanks for that understanding. I did not feel that you were
contrary.My apologies, if I came through to you in that way.Even after all these
years, I still feel that I know, but at the same time I also know that, how
much I don't know.
>
>
> You wrote> But this is part of determining a metaphor's utility.......
> So selfs are unchanging and individuals' subconscious and conscious minds
> account for the differences in what we are??
Anandajyoti>You are absolutely correct.
>
>
> You wrote> I found Luthar's point below more digestible (because it's simpler).
>
> Anandajyoti>Intellectual understanding does have its importance and place, but
> in my life,I find living our daily lives from that understanding allows us to
> experience for ourselves the truth of it all. It's being and becoming.
Thanks for your questions , comments, and helping me too, through the
sharing.Anandajyoti
http://www.geocities.com/Athen/Forum/6782
>
>
>
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